Conquering SMT: Strange Journey Redux (Review)

[@PelvicGaming]

Thank you all so much for watching if you want more vids like this make sure to like for the algo and subscribe! Also look forward to a list video, and reviews~ And of course the famous end of the year video~! , Please support me on Patreon!

[@100Servings]

I appreciate that you did analysis on the art. You're an artist, and know what's missing and how to describe it. The only thing is that you missed why Zelenin is the worst of all: HER RIGHT ARM IS MISSING!!! She's still posed to gesture, but her arm is GONE!!! What the heck, Doi?!?!? Great review. I still prefer Deep, but I'm just glad you experienced this.

[@landphil7535]

Yeah, SJR's true neutral campaign is the hardest campaign in the series. You will probably never face a challenge like this again.

[@thomaswrightson2230]

"I would like to reiterate this footage you see is not mine." Sorry, that had me on the floor.

[@Meta_Mage]

Thanks for giving the game a fair shake despite it not being your preferred genre. I've devoured first person dungeon crawlers since the 90s and love this game to bits, it's definitely not for everyone, but unique and I value that a lot.

[@PelvicGaming]

It's certainly unique! And I like that SMT dabbled in a new genre, even if it's not one I fancy. But hey, it's a feast for folks like yourself. :D

[@mauri4140]

​@@PelvicGamingSMT actually started as a dungeon crawler series! the majority of games in the Megami Tensei franchise before SMT III Nocturne were first person dungeon crawlers

[@PelvicGaming]

@@mauri4140 Huh, I did not know that! The more ya know~!

[@markfurlong9542]

@@PelvicGaming most of the earlier SMT games are also first person dungeon crawlers. they all have some of the same BS that Strange Journey does, but Strange Journey dungeons are worse. just to let you know, in case you ever want to go back and play other vintage SMT.

[@Meta_Mage]

@@PelvicGaming ready for Persona Q now? ( I didn't like it very much myself)

[@AldurSFC]

I've been waiting for this for so long after all your tweets :D

[@PelvicGaming]

I hope I dont disappoint

[@PandaWilliams-ol5vt]

I love the types of games you choose to review, theyre always unique and more niche and usually a little older (all qualities I love lol). I also love the way you review the games, you can really tell you played this game THOROUGHLY, even when you were not having the best time lol

[@Graterstuuf]

Schwarzwelt is my DJ pseudonym.

[@PelvicGaming]

Ok that's kinda fire tho

[@Genethagenius]

That’s dope!!!

[@brunocampos8640]

The Kaneko lipstick is on point!

[@oyasumaya]

Love your makeup!! shoutout the Kazuma Kaneko upper black lip 🖤

[@DonutSwordsman]

Ive been waiting for your next review. So hype. Cant wait for your next one!

[@PelvicGaming]

Next would be.... probably Cold Steel~ :D

[@GigaMan91]

That lipstick is fire. Repping that SMT art style to a T.

[@PelvicGaming]

Thank you!

[@JavierReyes-vi7vj]

I havent played redux yet, but i do own and have played the original strange journey and that game kicked my ass so many times. The final boss i think took me like 10-15 tries before i managed to win. I managed to buy and download redux before the 3ds store shut down so i will eventually get to it. great video as always!

[@ddaodao9332]

I think the ds version is better. The 3ds version makes it easier

[@JavierReyes-vi7vj]

@ddaodao9332 that's what I heard but I still wanna give it a play, im finishing vengence currently

[@pokemaniacdavid]

If you can get though this game, you are a serious smt enjoyer. Or just a glutton for punishment. Mad respect. Definitely subbing

[@PelvicGaming]

Thank you so much! I love SMT, even if this isn't my favorite haha. SMT 4 for life!

[@pokemaniacdavid]

@ I love smt 2 😭 but I also have some issues lol. Love the content thanks for going so hard!!

[@speaksincircles]

beat it on hard on my first playthrough

[@Genethagenius]

I never felt this game was that difficult, especially compared to “Nocturne”. And the 3DS really gave you a lot of features that made the game much easier than the original.

[@Genethagenius]

@@pokemaniacdavid I would love it if Atlus remade “SMT 2”! Great game but would love for it to be updated. (And we could finally get an answer to if Hijiri from “Nocturne” is actually Aleph!)

[@PandaWilliams-ol5vt]

just noticed the black upper lip you gave yourself lmao. also girlllllllllll i love them earrings 😍

[@amurter19]

I thought you did strange journey already, but I realized what happened is that I was playing Strange Journey while watching some of your videos in the background. Full circle.

[@TrevRockOne]

I miss Kaneko so much. Megaten hasn't been the same since he left.

[@Megidolaon999]

“Megaten” - No. “SMT” - Yes. The spin-offs still retain all the Kaneko charm. SMT I agree with you however, unfortunately 😢

[@TrevRockOne]

@Megidolaon999 ???????? What like Soul Hackers 2? That's the only Megaten spinoff we've gotten in years.

[@Megidolaon999]

@@TrevRockOne Wow. It’s almost like there are now 2 series which are full spin-offs of SMT… I just can’t seem to remember what they are…

[@TrevRockOne]

@@Megidolaon999 why are you talking in riddles?

[@Megidolaon999]

@@TrevRockOne … Persona … the Persona series… and now Metaphor … which is gonna be a series …

[@Pope_Khajiit]

Loving the black upper lip! Very Kaneko. Very Demure

[@PelvicGaming]

Thank you~

[@baronagony4767]

I love this game. Its the rare jrpg where you get to play as adults.

[@nr2676]

And no power of friendship, cringe dialogues, teens drama, annoying mascot character and fanservice BS (bathroom and beach cutscenes). Sadly those kind of jrpg's are doomed to ,,underperforming sales'', because weebs don't buy more adult jrpgs with less anime tropes, and this is main audience for jrpg's.

[@JDMc017]

​@nr2676 Thank goodness I got to enjoy this amazing game years ago, because a comment like this would have given me the wrong idea of the types of people it attracts.

[@MaledictusXCII]

@@nr2676 This is what made megaten special to me, but unfortunately even SMT is an average JRPG anime trope now.

[@Mr.Nightray]

Great review, I know you'll enjoy Digital devil saga1 and 2. The art, dark theme is very smt3 yet the character growth is top tier. Especially the music and black upper lip on the characters lol

[@Makoto03]

Fantastic review of SMT: Strange Journey. I never played any of the SMT games outside of Persona spin off series, but enjoy learning about games from the main SMT.

[@HarrisonWilliamsAnimation]

It's great seeing you cover this one, first person dungeon crawlers aren't for everyone so I 100% get you not vibing with the gameplay but man do I love the aesthetic and music second only to the original soul hackers (also a first person dungeon crawler lol) but it's vibes are imo immaculate

[@100Servings]

The trucks they use in the game were inspired by an old movie called Damnation Alley. It was supposed to be a hugely successful film, if it didn't have to compete against a new indie movie called Star Wars.

[@PelvicGaming]

OH SHIT, just googled it and you're right! That's crazy! . . . but to me, the unaware, they looked like buffer tesla trucks

[@Shimmy8]

That’s a lotta SMT! I remember when SMT came out on 3DS. I bought it, started playing, realized it didn’t utilize the 3D screen. I was so upset I returned it. Huge mistake. This looks great. Edit question: if anyone sees this, can I just jump in at any of the games?

[@PelvicGaming]

I rarely used 3D on any game I played anyways tbh. And you can jump in at mostly any SMT. I'd recommend playing SMT 4, then 4A, not the other way around.

[@Shimmy8]

@ yeah, that was a younger more impulsive shimmy. I was a sucker for gimmicks.

[@jaythomas468]

Yes, SMTIV: Apocalypse is like a WEIRD “side-quel” where you play as a different cast of characters operating OUTSIDE of SMTIV’s main characters’ story and then the two eventually overlap. It also doesn’t help that the START of SMTIV: Apocalypse is basically at the top of the final act for the “neutral ending route” for SMTIV. So TL; DR - play SMTIV FIRST. It’ll give you A LOT of context to learn from.

[@Snarwin]

If you explore the first level of the Womb of Grief, you can find an item that unlocks an app that lets you tap teleporters on the touch screen to see their destination.

[@DjPh8mous]

Thank for your video ! i am currently playing it now (not my first SMT nor Persona game) and im so addicted ! didnt thought i would love it ! And yeah...maybe im seasoned...i dont find it hard actually :0 but again, its not my first SMT rodeo so who knows !

[@ichi_san]

awesome review. such a punishing and tough game

[@tenbones545]

There was a couple months where I couldn’t put this game down. (Well the original DS version- haven’t played the redux) - I love it to death but hoo boy I totally understand how someone would dislike it. I hear a lot of people complain about the confusing maps but I love them, love the sense of danger as I get further from the save point , not knowing what’s around the corner. Also, those are the coolest treasure chests ever haha.

[@DuoBeard]

OhGod, i love strange journey, this game deserves more praise ♥

[@alejandropradalozano6525]

I used to not like the first person dungeon crawler rpg but this one changed my mind

[@QueenViolet8]

Thanks so much for this this has been on my backlog for a while now I think I’ll try it 😎

[@quinnviandsej]

I like the flavor of demon co-op. Negotiations have always made demons feel like an unruly batch of weirdos, and losing out on teamwork bonuses because they don't like each other is very in-character, but in practice, yeah it's just straight-up less fun than Press Turn. As a kid, I just had a GBA and DS, and I was pretty dismissive of first-person games for a while, partially to convince myself console games aren't all *that* great, partially because I do like seeing the protag running around. But Etrian Odyssey won me over hard and I barely have an issue with it now. Sadly, first-person dungeon crawlers are pretty common to SMT - I think they made 9 not counting ports/remakes, so uh look forward to that I guess? Most are considerably shorter than Strange Journey at least.

[@PassionFlame64]

And here I thought SMT 4 was brutal at the start. Strange Journey Redux will make you rethink life for a bit.

[@psych_zuki]

Glad for the Etrian Odyssey mention xD That was my first exposure to an ATLUS game and bc I was not happy with my experience, I was very doubtful seeing Persona fans talk about how great those games are, until I finally tried it myself and loved it

[@noboty4168]

I remember playing that game way back when. I have many of the same problems with regards to the map. Also, some of the fights are legitimately tough. Namely, the final boss of the neutral route, which prevented me from finishing the game, something I still regret.

[@DanielFlores-fv3vr]

Rare to see Strange Journey mentioned these days

[@PelvicGaming]

I like talkin' about the forgotten~

[@waleedtheXIVth]

Doi only did the designs for the new non human characters and Alex while the redesigns and the staff portraits were done by the art team

[@PelvicGaming]

Thank you for the correction!

[@bartass6877]

Man I really wish this game to get a port for an modern platforms

[@patricksanchez1684]

Man, RIGHT as I picked up Redux! I’ll still give it a go.

[@PelvicGaming]

Perfect timing! I hope you enjoy first person dungeon crawling~!

[@Thegeektoendallgeeks]

1:35 and so the most funniest LP began

[@itsean7490]

Agree on atmosphere, this game had me sucked in! Also Jiminez lol

[@PelvicGaming]

Believe it or not I wasn't sold on Jiminez at first, but I warmed up, ALTHOUGH I wish I stayed the course of humanity cause I'm a GORE GIRL!

[@felix_kunx]

I've had slight FOMO with this game but I know I will never play it due to the gameplay and difficulty, so thank you for reviewing it!!

[@PelvicGaming]

Haha, yeah it's not for the weak. Thanks for watching!

[@zsos4640]

I dropped strange journey after the 3rd dungeon. Props to you for finishing this game youre stronger the most 😭. Hope you play the smt devil survivor series!

[@FatalKitsune]

"The hardest SMT game I've ever played!" *Devil Survivor lurking menacingly in the background*

[@PelvicGaming]

Yo keep that game away from me!

[@1cortar]

@@PelvicGaming Nah it is not too difficult, SJ OG and Redux are still top on most difficult SMT main quest like ever.

[@lanceknightmare]

Alice is the ultimate lurking in the background boss.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

I like the part where they all looked at the camera and said "maaan, that journey really was strange, huh? REDUX!" Also shoutouts to Sirlionhart

[@Arizona-ex5yt]

I'm glad I quit playing this after 10 hours. Life's too short for 1) dungeon crawlers and 2) brutally difficult dungeon crawlers.

[@PelvicGaming]

You are smarter than I. I'm just stubborn. xP

[@AyELTee88]

A strange journey. A bizzare adventure if you will. I'm screencapping the fuck out 3:05

[@josephcross8464]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Strange Journey is my favorite SMT, thought it is tough as balls and many parts are so outright frustrating, they don't encourage a second or third playthough, but the story and the setting are just SOOOOOOOO well done, you can't help yourself from wanting to experience it. I mean, unlike other SMTs where humanity is pretty much done for and your quest is all about giving them a new future, a new order, here humanity is still alive and relatively well, and if you falter and your quest fails is all of their lives that are at stake. Props to "The Fear of God", the main battle theme, it is actually one of my faves and it describes Strange Journey to a tee: it starts out with this ominous chanting, reminding yoy that you are trapped in this pocket dimension full of demons who are just itching to r*pe your ass, but then it grows and explodes into this glorious fanfare, like the MC and the rest of the crew tearing through the ranks of demons, kicking ass and taking names, but then it becomes ominous again, a grim reminder that you're never actually safe as long as the Schwarzwelt exists. Nice review as usual, Pelvic gal!

[@SuperCoreyBlack]

I would like to see more jrpgs in such an unusual style. Like first two Persona, Soul Hackers or Strange journey 😊

[@StatsChu]

I hope you can now play and review the best SMT / Persona game of them all - Devil Survivor Overclocked!

[@merciless972]

I hope they make a remake of this one day

[@QueenViolet8]

They need to bring all the SMT games to modern consoles I’d love to have all the 3ds games!

[@Oag1992]

I still have SJ on my 3ds. I haven’t beaten it but this review inspired me to.

[@PelvicGaming]

Good luck, soldier!

[@ryl1]

What made me give up on strange journey is this one main quest where you have to collect things from previous sectors. You’re not given clues where those items are, so you just have to comb through those areas. It’s not hard because you’re stronger now and you have most of the places mapped out, but the tediousness of it just made me youtube the rest of the game.

[@Baratinha]

I was playing with you, but on the DS version. Im still stuck in Eridanus haha

[@PelvicGaming]

To be fair that place is ass. Lol

[@estefanomendozaescobedo8653]

Personally I don't like first person dungeon crawlers either, BUT SMT Strange Journey is very unique and made me like it on its own.

[@Genethagenius]

I played through it twice. 1st on DS and 2nd w/ the 3DS remake. I enjoyed both, but hated the new artwork and features that were supposed to be QoL features but just made it too easy. Still one of my favorite “SMT” games & I wish it would be rereleased on Steam. (I guess I could emulate the 3DS version on my Steam Deck…). But I absolutely ❤ how the Demonica suit shows back up in “SMT IV” (another game that needs to be freed from the 3DS!)

[@danielcespedes1875]

I played this game during the pandemic, and it just pissed me off, the teleporters, the huge maps, the confusing layouts, I almost rage quitted it. What keep me going? The game is good, the story is good, the characters are also good. I mean, it really is a strange journey the one you go through in this game, you love it and at the same time you hate it, at least, that was my experience.

[@LavvyWuff]

I love me some Strange Journey ^_^ Definitely not for everyone, which is unfortunate because the good parts are just SOOOO good! I really enjoyed the psychological aspect of the horror in the game, from the oppressive atmosphere in certain areas to how some demons spread fear and panic with the humans, especially as some unknown threat. I feel like Strange Journey went all in with the horror, and I'm HERE for it XD I can't play most horror games because I scare too easily in the moment, but Strange Journey lets me take it at my own pace :D Jiminez and Bugaboo stole my heart XD I forget what ending I ended up getting. I guess I'll just have to replay it again :)

[@massdefection]

I personally think this is the most "engaging" of the direct SMT series (since this was intended to be a main SMT game originally) just because I think the exploration and ability unlocking feels well paced. I will DEFINITELY agree that the game is hard as shit. The Redux Humanity ending is so good but VERY hard to get through, I ended up getting one cheesed demon onto my team using a code just because I was tired of grinding so much in the WoG. It's definitely worth a play, if you can get a copy of it easily.

[@PelvicGaming]

Oh I did not find it engaging at all. Again, not my cup of tea, first person dungeon crawlers are NOT my thing. B U T the unlocking of abilities did feel nice and a good use of expanding areas. Oh the Redux Humanity Ending was amazing, but yeah I was no willing to go through that pain. Haha

[@massdefection]

@@PelvicGaming I totally get that. I personally like the Etrian-style dungeon crawling but that's for sure a niche opinion haha. I just wish I was better at them.

[@speaksincircles]

its not about grinding its about fusing

[@massdefection]

@speaksincircles You do still have to grind to get your own character level up and to collect enough demons to fuse.

[@speaksincircles]

@ not really, if you use each dungeon room to its max you just level up naturally as you go

[@1DangerMouse1]

Thanks for the helpful review. I love to SMT 4. However, I don't think I'll be playing this one even though I did buy it this year and have it sitting unplayed... Oh well.

[@speaksincircles]

play iiiit!

[@R3GARnator]

We saw Atlus take a crack at a fantasy setting recently, maybe it's time for a sequel to this to bring back sci-fi?

[@femtrooper]

I think this game would kick my butt LOL

[@PelvicGaming]

It absolutely would. It kicked mine.

[@KhaPanda]

İ remember looking at the on ds, it was really tough.

[@macsis6338]

The real best SMT game ✋🏻🗿

[@nachofilament294]

I definitely want to get into the SMT series, and it sounds like this one isn't a good starting point.

[@PelvicGaming]

I...absolutely wouldn't recommend this one. A solid starting point is SMT 3 (where I started) or if you want to start at the best, SMT 4. SMT 5 is also acceptable. They're not related, save for SMT 4, and SMT4A, and SMT 5/SMT V Vengeance. SMT 5 Vengeance is like an additional route to SMT 5. But beware, SMT 5 V sure they added things (story/character) wise but also took stuff away. Gameplay is ultimately improved in SMT 5 Vengeance. though.

[@nachofilament294]

@@PelvicGaming I just picked up SMT3 on Steam

[@Raidou10]

One of my favorite Megaten games but I can definitely see it being put off by the dungeon crawling. Will you ever give SMT Soul Hackers a go? It is a dungeon crawler but not as punishing gameplay wise

[@Yeaster]

Am I crazy? Zelenin was my fav. I felt her characterization in the OG was the most natural and understandable. But in Redux, she was… different. lol I absolutely love Strange Journey, and it’s the only RPG I actually grinded to level 99 to beat. Its atmosphere was everything. I feel like first-person POV works well for RPGs like this and the PS1 version of Persona, which are kind of horror-adjacent. Really helps add a sense of dread to the games. I fused Shiva. Don’t know if I would’ve beaten the game without him, tbh. Haha

[@winnebagojones4069]

Surrounded by demons and leading humanity into void from which it will not return, yeah I guess naming the MC Trump makes sense 😂

[@speaksincircles]

strange journey is so fkn good

[@RT-cx2ic]

Ima have to try the Shin Magami series at some point.

[@PelvicGaming]

It's so fun...the mainline ones anyways.

[@RT-cx2ic]

@PelvicGaming which one had DmC Dante as a party member?

[@OW8579]

​@@RT-cx2icit was smt 3

[@BEHEMONAUT]

It's old school megaten. I bought sj for the ds after nocturne back in the early 2000's, but i had to let it sit for a lot of years. It wasn't just strange journey, i really found dds 1 and persona 4 disappointing as someone who was very familiar with NA persona from the 90s and newly with SMT via Nocturne. I ended up playing smt 1 during the interval, and FINISHING smt 2 (you need to try 2 if you havent), i had a better context for strange journey after all of that, and then i loved it. You'll come back to it and finish it maybe. Redux is a solid megaten title. I think Strange Journey was aimed more at an esoteric western audience if you can believe that, and that's why it's an acquired taste.

[@qur1578]

I'm also not a first person dungeon fan. Idk it feels way to claustrophobic and limiting which i guess adds to the uneasy feeling the game is going for. Loved the review even though its a game I'll probably never play.

[@ImLemonadeCandy]

You didn’t get Maria!?!?! ❤

[@PelvicGaming]

MARA?! I DIDNT. ))):

[@TheTateful]

I've heard SMT 1&2 are a nightmare rivaled only by the likes of Wizardry 4.

[@waleedtheXIVth]

I haven’t played them but SMT 1 is infamously easy

[@redjar4447]

Smt II is probably the easiest game in Mainline.

[@nr2676]

SMT 1 is very easy. Just spam Zio and bullets with Ailments = win. SMT 2 is also easy, but bit more balanced than SMT 1 (no Zio spam). On other hand fan remake SMT 1 VX is VERY HARD, and Akira Route in SMT If is also kinda hard.

[@CarlosSilva-bh4bi]

Ooof And you played the 3DS The DS was even Harder (I finished it, best challenge of my life)

[@PelvicGaming]

Yeah I do not envy you. xD Good on you though!

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

Also if you dont choose law its much harder

[@nr2676]

Chaos

[@johnlawful2272]

I voted for the couch

[@Owl325]

I absolutely love the character design in this game. It is sooo awesome. I have yet to play it tho

[@jordanpickering6912]

Yeah, SJ is defo SMT hard mode not Nocturne like alot of people say, i think you should give Devil Survivor SMT series a go next, youll probably blitz through it being a smt vet now but DS1 has one of the best stories besides the SMT Digital Devil saga duology. Law, Chaos and the 3 or so neutral endings in Devil survivor are some of the best and most fair interpritations of smt themes and most of all the game really gives you good characters rather than human ideologies to side with so i think it will get you.

[@ddg4762]

I’ve been kinda scared to play this game ngl 😂

[@willfern1096]

Beating this game should be a free pass to heaven ngl

[@jaythomas468]

Funny, all the SMT games you’ve played have been on the “easier” end of the spectrum (mostly everything post-Nocturne and Strange Journey have done away with some of the more FRUSTRATING aspects like having entire dungeons that take multiple hours to comb through with zero save points except at the beginning and towards the end of the dungeon whilst having random encounters with enemies that can cast “instant death spells” on your main character to send you to an immediate “Game Over” screen if you’re not adequately equipped or prepared). Not trying to talk crap, but I could SEE how playing Strange Journey Redux probably THREW YOU FOR A LOOP (and if I remember correctly, the OG DS release which I played and beat back in 2011 was EVEN MORE BRUTAL because you couldn’t SAVE ANYWHERE, only at designated points).

[@PelvicGaming]

Oh yeah, I rememeber reading about the differences of Redux and vanilla, I would not make it without being able to save anywhere. And yeah when Redux added a subapp that didn't make game overs happen when the MC dies omg... bless. Best app. lmfao

[@JanuaryJuárez_116]

It's wrong to hate a never played video game. I was stupid.

[@renann3]

I like 1st person dungeon crawling but I do NOT like it in this game. So many times I've gone completeley past a corridor because I didn't notice the wall wasn't there. Notably, I spent two hours in sector E just in the twleport puzzle not because of the puzzle itself but because I was missing the alcove in the very end of it. The wall design is way polluted

[@valvadis2360]

OMG your lipstick!

[@zombyjano]

Very Kaneko-esk

[@lascaux176]

1:43 "The demon is looking at trump appraisingly." oh, i bet it is.

[@SUPERESSENCE91]

First person dungeon crawlers aren't my jam either. I feel like I can't see as well as I'd like when it's first person.

[@Vanity0666]

Now do soul hackers

[@stuffiedad]

Devil Survivor is the best SMT DS game

[@Pownchao]

I gave this video its 666th like👍

[@sergio_trindade]

yeah, if you don't like 1st person dungeon crawlers (blobbers) there's no way you'd enjoy strange journey 😅 a shame, cause it's easily one of my favorite megaten games. try digital devil saga next. I think you'll like it, especially if you liked Nocturne.

[@nr2676]

And BEST SMT :D

[@nunchuk28]

Love a lot of what I hear regarding the games themes and plot, but man, I just cant get into its gameplay loop at all. First person dungeon crawlers are the bane of my gaming preferences, I do not like them no siree.

[@speaksincircles]

Beat it on hard on first play though. Wish more games were this challenging. This is a sign for me to play again

[@elsamarks8477]

I bought this game March 25th 2020. I played so much of it as Covid ruined everything else. I didn’t like it. Lol

[@silverbandit721]

Lol Donald Trump being the Protag is hilarious

[@Chelaxim]

Schwarz is pronounced shorts with a w. It's German for black and welt is pronounced for world. Shin Megami Tensei Fear of a Schwarzwelt.

[@mmpsp693]

I actually want to replay this, but maybe on an emulator with save states and fast forward

[@1cortar]

Donald Trump lmao, he joined the strike teams to eat cats. 5:40 AND technology was there, the game was LITERALLY made on Etrian Odyssey engine they just turned the tools off for reasons? Btw dodged a bullet finishing the game outside Neutral. Neutral Final Boss would be harder than the game superboss with a bit more of stats, and still can give you a midway gameovers as it will spam both losing condition on some phases with mass petrify and mass insta-skills moves so cheap the superboss will not do. After playing nearly all SMT this one IMO has the hardest main quest with DDSs1 and 2 being the kings of post-game (Hitoshura and the absurd Satan oof).

[@martinomagic9230]

For first person dungeon crawlers, Etrain Odyssey is just league's above any other with atmosphere and making the dungeons actually interesting. As each layer has its own gimmicks and giant monsters running around that you are scared of haha. On another note the SMT series difficulty is a lot like dark souls where they call it weighted combat. Which really means it's not that monsters are particularly hard compared to any other rpg, rather they limit you the player by making you suck. In SMT you have deal with all the crappy systems to make the perfect combination of demons ect to get through something. SMT systems are never complex, they just downright suck and are annoying to deal with 9 out of 10 times lol. Like you said it was even worse in the non-redux version imagine that.

[@TrevRockOne]

Sucks to suck

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

well um you played redux the worse version instead of the original

[@NitramNetwork]

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