Penguin Worlds Book Club: Jim Butcher in conversation with Patrick Rothfuss

[@CPollaers]

The hair on their faces would fit together like a Saruman jigsaw puzzle

[@ThiLI0n]

I celebrate your comment.

[@shosty575]

😂😂😂😂

[@lefty411o]

I'd love to see a face swap of these two

[@BrunoFernanshSZN]

Bwahahahaha

[@zachs.7760]

6:54 for the start of Jim and Pat.

[@ronin3025]

Zach S. Thanks.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

Doing God's work

[@zachs.7760]

You're welcome @ronin3025. It's what I do @Krazy Lobstee

[@karlstormguard]

Not all heroes wear capes!!

[@fitzandthefool13]

bless you child

[@custarddavidson8104]

Why is nobody mentioning that Rothfuss has a bookcase of Cheerios.

[@Milamberas45]

Because he looks like someone who does...

[@sciencewizard8805]

It's just an error in the matrix with bookcases. I started noticing it when I was seven.

[@brandonbahr7005]

You just did, so... No need for anyone else to.

[@custarddavidson8104]

Brandon Bahr you so clever x

[@amdarkcomics4231]

@@sciencewizard8805 LOL

[@zachstaeven9232]

I was having a bad day. Then, thanks to Jim Butcher and Patrick Rothfuss, I have the image of Brandon Sanderson as the drummer in their “fantasy band” lol

[@ThexInsidexMan]

Can we all agree their band name would be "Stephen & The Kingz", signed to Tolkien-Tone Records?

[@davids182]

Jim at 23:30: Stories end or else they're not really a story. Pat: ...

[@feyn5869]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAahahahahahHHHHhahahH

[@evilgentlemanbane6116]

what can he say? oh yeah I haven't even worked on fishing my book in 23 years

[@CeIinky]

👁👄👁

[@Indeterminite]

Haha omg this is great!

[@Awelbeckk]

2023 and still no book. No chapter reading too, like the one he PROMISED to do for charity goals.

[@doubleheadedeagle6769]

Dresden Files are in my top 10 most re-read books in my life. It has made me laugh and cry. Literally.

[@jakeiacono7127]

Some people have trophys, Patrick Rothfuss has cheerios.

[@Enigmanaut]

I only found this today, so a good ways after it streamed. I watched to hear Butcher talk about Dresden, but I have to say... I can listen to Rothfuss go off on tangents for days.

[@Youboremenow]

Regarding a dresden soul gaze. I could see it now, the penultimate chapter of the final book, a close confidant of harry comes to cradle his dying body and he initiates a soul gaze either inadvertently or to convey something. Maybe it's maggie, or someone else close to him in the last battle of the war. And the we get the epilogue through that characters eyes....

[@AllenFreemanMediaGuru]

I’m 64 and my son is 8” taller and 37. Was the singer in a scream metal band, tattoos up his arms. But we are still close and he just had a son. Now he gets to live the Dad thing!

[@cybercifrado]

Patrick mentioned his son getting older and nearing a rebellious phase. For some reason, I envision his son walking into his father's study wearing a "Splattercon!!!" t-shirt and going off about how Harry would whoop Kvothe in a duel... xD

[@paoloalto]

NGL Harry would def whoop Kvothes ass. And I have a feeling Pat would be cheering the whole time

[@mckingkhan5038]

Someday Harry will travel to the Wayside Inn and get the rest of the story out of Kothe.

[@danielfreitas8196]

MC KingKhan isn’t it Waystone? I’m not sure. It’s been 7 years since I read it

[@mckingkhan5038]

Daniel Freitas you are unequivocally correct ! My mistake

[@shosty575]

😂😂😂😂

[@eldricgrubbidge6465]

Maybe he has and kvothe is Mac. “What happened next?” “Hmm. Nothing good.”

[@shosty575]

@@eldricgrubbidge6465 this 🤣🤣🤣

[@lathspell87]

Professional, successful author just blasts The Las Jedi on one of its many problems... that was awesome. I do love me some Butcher!

[@jonshepherd2550]

Patrick says Ohhh absolutely I know how it ends... Jim tries desperately not to cough 'BULLSHIT '

[@minkexmachina1627]

This was a delight. Pat used to do a writers workshop thing on KZbin and even though I'm not a writer I have listened to them many times. Thank you for putting these on Penguin, can't wait for Hank Green!

[@Fidasaind]

So at what point will the 2 of them make an April Fool's joke and release a colab short story where Mac is Kvothe.

[@ShinkaTV]

Now I need Patrick as a friend, just so he will double my sales by telling everyone to purchase a second copy haha. Love you guys! Great interview

[@Invisiblenotbroken]

Are we going to talk about Pat’s reading material? He seems really into the serials...cereals=0)

[@jimbutcher5712]

IKR?

[@lisawillis8227]

😆😆😆 👏👏👏👏

[@wesleypatterson2267]

*ba-dum, chhh*

[@jchinckley]

Didn't I see a skit about this on Dad Jokes Central?

[@Ki11s0n3]

Polka Will Never Die!

[@christianjensen7699]

Great Character Arcs: Rand Al'Thor in WOT.

[@Breaker-of-horses-and-men]

30:50 who's that popping in for a look?

[@ddtdaydreamtime]

I don't know if seeing what others see during a soul gaze with Harry would be great or if it would be like seeing what was in Marcelluss's case. Great interview, I love both of these guys.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

Considering that Rothfuss hasn't produced a book in almost 10 years, he has aged a lot. Whereas Jim looks like a freaking superhero.

[@seventus]

Jim looks like a crazy cat lady with a beard, no offense. Not a superhero lol.

[@seventus]

@Kudmond Pretty much agree.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

@@seventus found the deluded fanboy

[@seventus]

@@TheKrazyLobster I don't like Jim butcher either and his books are mediocre, but at least he publishes books.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

@@seventus I don't think you understand what 'mediocre' means, but alright. To each his own.

[@logansmith2703]

"And then there's Los Angeles and i didn't want to use Los Angeles cuz it's Los Angeles" Pffft shots fired

[@stevencundy4501]

Was that a little bit of Terry Goodkind shade at the end there?

[@borimirtheboring]

When the guy who wrote The Kingkiller Chronicles is your biggest fanboy!

[@Awelbeckk]

When the guy who failed to finish the Kingkiller Chronicles ...

[@sarahteter524]

Oh man! I share an audible account with my best friend and we read stuff back to back and now Patrick Rothfuss is making me want to read Peace Talks at the same time as my best friend!!

[@nathanokun8801]

Dresden keeps getting better at his job, BUT in his universe he is quite literally "the new kid on the block" and keeps finding out that the "real world" in his dimension is WAY beyond what he originally knew about -- the more you know, the more you realize how little you know about all that there is to know...

[@rustykoenig5489]

Podehl and marsters are both masterful!!!!

[@collegesandcannibals241]

Patrick Rothfuss lecture with Jim Butcher in the audience.

[@SushiPajamas101]

Mary Robinette Kowal wiki got all the hits on this day.

[@TheLoner00]

If anyone ever catches a Jim interview live can you guys ask him if he decides to allow another tv series to please keep a closer eye on it or better yet make an anime style that way James Masters could still be the voice of Dresden.

[@Reepicheep-1]

Dresdenverse needs to mention/acknowledge the recent declarations of Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, etc. as essential magical workers.

[@aldan7812]

This was absolutely fantastic lads, cheers!!!

[@quackaddict9810]

A little part of me died when Jim said his assistant has never read his works.

[@Beansareamagicalfruit]

I need more of this, fantastic thanks for the video!

[@bigsteve3530]

I wish Patrick could have had half the work ethic of Mr. Butcher.

[@nathanokun8801]

Character development: Strangely, the Robot in the TV show LOST IN SPACE has one of the best versions of this I have seen. Talk about a "throw-away" character in the beginning of the show!

[@NilesCooper]

We all know Pat Rothfuss aka. Rick Rubin would be the producer in the rock band scenario.

[@bshinkara]

I don't have a video, sadly, but I wanted to say, in reference to their conversation about swordsmen doing a 360 spin and how no professional swordsman would ever do it, while they're probably right, I do know someone who does that move to great success. Duke Miles in the SCA will occasionally do it during a tourney, and it almost always works...exactly once.

[@lytalo]

As far as series go,I am not a big re-reader. But the Dresden Files is one I have read a couple times.

[@JamesMcCormickIV]

51:56 Rothfuss does an AMAZING J. Jonah Jameson

[@sblinder1978]

You could say there's 2.5 Dresden anthologies, if you count the Bigfoot mini-collection

[@T3aoclock]

I have always imagined soul-gazing Harry as some version of seeing the white knight/paladin repeatedly slay his normal self for the greater good. Like, instead of "evil" dream-self Harry, you get "good" Harry eliminating every iteration of himself who goes for a life of contentment and happiness.

[@timothyserpette9403]

I've searched a lot of fanfiction pages about this particular topic and this is probably my favorite idea I've heard fof it. I love that it's not his darker nature but rather his own contentment and happiness he has to crush over and over to keep being the man everyone needs. Good concept man.

[@Grimscribe732]

Most people: This seems fake. Pat: My verisimilitude is thrown.

[@wickeddragongoddess]

Love both of these authors❤️

[@jordancomfort1373]

@Kudmond How many books must someone write to be called an author? Or do you feel like after a certain period of time of not publishing that the title "author" is revoked?

[@DanBSmith83]

Great interview Pat. I'm sure you took this on while it was happening, but if you have time watch this interview back with the idea that everytime Jim speaks, he's giving you mentoring advice.

[@fredrikgranstrom6743]

this needs to happen again

[@brerobertson484]

TimeDreamWriters Band: (Asimov as front man, a la Hari Seldon in Foundation), Sanderson on his drums, W. Gibson and K. Dick on the hemispherically lateralized neuro-organ, Samuel R. Delany on mirror guitar, Goodkind on prism cymbal, and Ursula K. Le Guin w/ Larry Niven on the xylophone, and harmonies coming from you guys to Tolkein to R. Martin to Wierd Al and all of the underacknowledged but literary or marketable greats--

[@TheKrazyLobster]

30:50 Hello there, Player 3!

[@tubatom17]

Who is that? I am so confused!

[@jonshepherd2550]

Patrick says ' Ohhh that's like me I absolutely know where it ends... Jim tries desperately not to cough BULLSHIT

[@cherokee852004]

Hey Penguin books could you have Jim interview Benedict Jacka for next month's release of Forged?

[@windblownleaf6450]

LOL Jim looks like someone who just released 2 books

[@kennydyas3606]

The intro music is very relaxing.

[@Jabarjr]

Paused the video at 6:09 just to come type this comment: "Wow, Pat really likes Cheerios!"

[@nathanokun8801]

NOTE: Walls work BOTH WAYS! If you try to make every single loose thread be cut or tucked into a hole in the story to LOCK IN everything there, then other later stories are LOCKED OUT since they would in many cases CONTRADICT things in the original story and mess up continuity. This seems to me the same concept of Gödel's Incompleteness Theory in math that states that no matter what you do, somewhere in your math topic of discussion you will be able to form a problem that REQUIRES information from OUTSIDE OF THAT TOPIC to solve it (if solvable at all). Math, like storytelling, is thus an open-ended technique that MUST include outside elements if your want to continue a storyline or do more math.

[@georgefinnegan2369]

Want you guys working on the Zelazny TV Show!! Love the first 3 books. Best start of a fictional novel series maybe ever. Would love to see the Magicians TV Show treatment to enrich the rest of the storyline.

[@TimMcGames]

Loved the ending, lol

[@philwyss42]

Ok, Patrick. When? You know what I mean.

[@TurusDJava]

Jim straight up roasts star wars last Jedi 22:24

[@ronin3025]

Could’ve listened for hours.

[@vash3331]

Pat talks so much

[@TheKrazyLobster]

And writes so little

[@jasonswanson6770]

Should talk less and write more

[@jchinckley]

They couldn't edit this so we don't have to sit through Zoom setup?

[@robertsestito6821]

100 percent true jim writes the best action. If you need any single fight to point this out the ending of the codex Alers books its basically DragonBall z level insane action.

[@robertstewart9989]

So many Cheerios

[@sharoncops7160]

Love Harry. ❤❤❤

[@pinpunk13]

Jim looks like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth here. Minus the blonde hair.

[@ThexInsidexMan]

I would sell my soul to Mab for a chance to hotbox and chat with these two legends of the pen.

[@robertreid2931]

Maybe when Rothfuss shows he can finish his big story, he'll be worthy of the "Legend" title.

[@baconpwn]

Someday, I'd love to see these two play a tabletop game. Nerds unite!

[@illiantear]

They should play Tak

[@spleeenb4uwere551]

What did rothfuss say to read before peace talks? I forgot and don’t want to watch the whole thing again, lol.

[@blueshard4632]

Side Jobs and Brief Cases

[@nathanokun8801]

Have you ever had a character in a book you were going to write that simply refused to do what you had planned for him/her and literally argued with you as to what did or did not make sense for that character? Kind of like a split personality thing. I read that when Mel Blanc, the original voice of Bugs Bunny and many other movie cartoon characters, nearly died after an accident (luckily he recovered fully, I think), they found that while they could not talk to the unconscious Mel, the hospital staff COULD TALK TO BUGS BUNNY AND SOME OTHER OF HIS CHARACTERS AND ASK THEM HOW HE WAS DOING!! Got me thinking about writers, too...

[@swordablaze9259]

The bit about not knowing what to write next or RPing when the characters aren't taking plot hooks: one of the characters had destroyed every escape route out of this prison castle so our DM had to throw an Orc army at us to breach the castle walls 😂

[@DA-nk6gx]

Why does Pat have so many cheerios boxs on his shelf?

[@GeektoStudios]

This is great. I larp too! (amateur writer). I write combat worse than anything else. But even the unrealism that is larp combat. Has improved how i imagine/write combat Other amateur writers, you can larp to learn about how hard/easy weird things are. Compared to what hollywood might have told you (sneaking, camping, running, dueling etc)

[@billyalarie929]

27:10 *Vi Hart has left the chat*

[@jchinckley]

Does Pat have a Cheerios sponsorship? I mean the product placement is intense in his side of the video.

[@aldan7812]

Hahahahhaa Pat you SO should have worn the tshirt bro

[@nicholasdimimsey-podmoore930]

Also I lived without power out here since Februrary 15th I understand...

[@russell42289]

Am I imagining things or did Pat just low-key bash wot for being too wrapped up in the end?

[@Glowingfed]

To be fair WOT got wayyyyy too loose. Loose to the point nothing fucking happened for four books

[@russell42289]

I'll concede, the slog was rough. Yet to this day it remains, imo, one of the best fantasy series of all time. The homage paid to all the different cultures across the world, the amazing character development paired with the sheer number he created, the foundation it set forth in our genre cannot be denied. I'd also like to note, while pat had me for awhile with his amazing first clue novels, I'm not sure I can forgive the decades long wait. At this point its sheer laziness or perfectionism, either is a detriment to his craft and a betrayal to those of us who've followed and read the series. I understand each of us should be allowed to create at our own pace, yet there are limits. Those first two books were a promise, one that has been left afield and forgotten while he cons and games his happy ass off.

[@hemaccabe4292]

While we settle in to wait for the next book, I invite fans to enjoy a completely free novel set in the Dresden verse. Just Google Warlock of Omaha.

[@achijatheizzetbard]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed the cherios. But seriously why..........

[@tpawsplayground]

When Rothfuss talks about death metal like its a bad thing...ha. Okay, bruh.

[@jasonswanson6770]

Butcher went through a divorce i believe so that explains the gap in books. Rothfuss could have married and divorced 5 or 6 times by now, i have a 4th grader who wasn't even born when book 2 came out, now the kid could read book 2 before Pat can finish book 3.

[@Lonethil]

Oh holy terror the MUZAK aahh, skip to 4:56 and save your sanity...

[@sailor1566]

Lol oh my god patrick talks and acts like viari in real life too haha

[@elCondeY]

Did they say anything about the last king killer book? I want to skip the long video ;p

[@Joshkie2]

59:26 Irony

[@shaunduquette5992]

Why does Jim look like Thorsten Kaye?lol

[@grimori]

Marsters was born to be the voice of the Dresden Files. Remember that fiasco a few years ago when someone else recorded one of the books?

[@Puddlewiggle]

grimori John Glover (Lex Luther's da). He did a great job, but it was so very wrong. Marsters has since rerecorded.

[@grimori]

@@Puddlewiggle I'm sure I would enjoy Glover's reading if I hadn't been listening to the series as recorded by Marsters. I gave it an honest listen and couldn't get pass the first chapter. I however gobbled up the Marsters recording in one day!

[@darkwolf8692]

Not to sound rude but rothfuss can learn something from butcher who is releasing two books back to back in a year. And has more than 15 books in that world while someone is writing a 'prologue'.

[@djkoz78]

Skip to 56:20 for video to start

[@AcidicDelusion]

Fanfuckingtastic

[@NotoriusMaximus]

Where are The Doors of Stone at, Rothfuss?

[@Fibonochos]

Patrick need to read Brandan Saunderson cause he rivals Jim for combat

[@cgctorrag]

hey Rothfuss do us all a favor and produce a novel...any novel. Thanks.

[@oberstul1941]

OMG, I read about it before, but I never noticed it. Is Pat always this cringy af? It seemed to me that he even made Jim Butcher a bit uncomfortable a couple of times. Yikes.

[@Awelbeckk]

Possibly

[@brandonbahr7005]

I have to just say, seeing Pat sort of depresses me. I just read both of his first two books for the first time in nearly a decade and I feel like I out grew the series. I just cringe everytime Kvothe and D have any interaction. Like, this is a creepy ass relationship. The world is interesting but the story is definitely immature, and now I'm not even excited for the 3rd book. I hope the rest of the media that comes from his IP is good. I hope he continues to write and the next series is more my current speed. If not, I wish him a great career anyway.

[@nicholasdimimsey-podmoore930]

so they put the most beautiful woman in the world on video....

[@jonshepherd2550]

Why are all the good American authors really hairy

[@kinglebricks5833]

I love the jab at TLJ fuck that movie.