Penguin Worlds Book Club: Jim Butcher in conversation with Patrick Rothfuss

A virtual book club event to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Jim Butcher's first novel STORM FRONT, with special guest Patrick Rothfuss! To order a copy of STORM FRONT in advance of the book club discussion click here: bit.ly/3fNuBgb
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[@CPollaers]

The hair on their faces would fit together like a Saruman jigsaw puzzle

[@ThiLI0n]

I celebrate your comment.

[@shosty575]

😂😂😂😂

[@lefty411o]

I'd love to see a face swap of these two

[@BrunoFernanshSZN]

Bwahahahaha

[@zachstaeven9232]

I was having a bad day. Then, thanks to Jim Butcher and Patrick Rothfuss, I have the image of Brandon Sanderson as the drummer in their “fantasy band” lol

[@ThexInsidexMan]

Can we all agree their band name would be "Stephen & The Kingz", signed to Tolkien-Tone Records?

[@custarddavidson8104]

Why is nobody mentioning that Rothfuss has a bookcase of Cheerios.

[@Milamberas45]

Because he looks like someone who does...

[@sciencewizard8805]

It's just an error in the matrix with bookcases. I started noticing it when I was seven.

[@brandonbahr7005]

You just did, so... No need for anyone else to.

[@custarddavidson8104]

Brandon Bahr you so clever x

[@amdarkcomics4231]

@@sciencewizard8805 LOL

[@zachs.7760]

6:54 for the start of Jim and Pat.

[@ronin3025]

Zach S. Thanks.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

Doing God's work

[@zachs.7760]

You're welcome @ronin3025. It's what I do @Krazy Lobstee

[@karlstormguard]

Not all heroes wear capes!!

[@fitzandthefool13]

bless you child

[@jakeiacono7127]

Some people have trophys, Patrick Rothfuss has cheerios.

[@doubleheadedeagle6769]

Dresden Files are in my top 10 most re-read books in my life. It has made me laugh and cry. Literally.

[@cybercifrado]

Patrick mentioned his son getting older and nearing a rebellious phase. For some reason, I envision his son walking into his father's study wearing a "Splattercon!!!" t-shirt and going off about how Harry would whoop Kvothe in a duel... xD

[@paoloalto]

NGL Harry would def whoop Kvothes ass. And I have a feeling Pat would be cheering the whole time

[@davids182]

Jim at 23:30: Stories end or else they're not really a story. Pat: ...

[@feyn5869]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAahahahahahHHHHhahahH

[@evilgentlemanbane6116]

what can he say? oh yeah I haven't even worked on fishing my book in 23 years

[@CeIinky]

👁👄👁

[@Indeterminite]

Haha omg this is great!

[@Awelbeckk]

2023 and still no book. No chapter reading too, like the one he PROMISED to do for charity goals.

[@mckingkhan5038]

Someday Harry will travel to the Wayside Inn and get the rest of the story out of Kothe.

[@danielfreitas8196]

MC KingKhan isn’t it Waystone? I’m not sure. It’s been 7 years since I read it

[@mckingkhan5038]

Daniel Freitas you are unequivocally correct ! My mistake

[@shosty575]

😂😂😂😂

[@eldricgrubbidge6465]

Maybe he has and kvothe is Mac. “What happened next?” “Hmm. Nothing good.”

[@shosty575]

@@eldricgrubbidge6465 this 🤣🤣🤣

[@Youboremenow]

Regarding a dresden soul gaze. I could see it now, the penultimate chapter of the final book, a close confidant of harry comes to cradle his dying body and he initiates a soul gaze either inadvertently or to convey something. Maybe it's maggie, or someone else close to him in the last battle of the war. And the we get the epilogue through that characters eyes....

[@jonshepherd2550]

Patrick says Ohhh absolutely I know how it ends... Jim tries desperately not to cough 'BULLSHIT '

[@Enigmanaut]

I only found this today, so a good ways after it streamed. I watched to hear Butcher talk about Dresden, but I have to say... I can listen to Rothfuss go off on tangents for days.

[@AllenFreemanMediaGuru]

I’m 64 and my son is 8” taller and 37. Was the singer in a scream metal band, tattoos up his arms. But we are still close and he just had a son. Now he gets to live the Dad thing!

[@lathspell87]

Professional, successful author just blasts The Las Jedi on one of its many problems... that was awesome. I do love me some Butcher!

[@Fidasaind]

So at what point will the 2 of them make an April Fool's joke and release a colab short story where Mac is Kvothe.

[@Invisiblenotbroken]

Are we going to talk about Pat’s reading material? He seems really into the serials...cereals=0)

[@jimbutcher5712]

IKR?

[@lisawillis8227]

😆😆😆 👏👏👏👏

[@wesleypatterson2267]

*ba-dum, chhh*

[@jchinckley]

Didn't I see a skit about this on Dad Jokes Central?

[@TheKrazyLobster]

Considering that Rothfuss hasn't produced a book in almost 10 years, he has aged a lot. Whereas Jim looks like a freaking superhero.

[@seventus]

Jim looks like a crazy cat lady with a beard, no offense. Not a superhero lol.

[@seventus]

@Kudmond Pretty much agree.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

@@seventus found the deluded fanboy

[@seventus]

@@TheKrazyLobster I don't like Jim butcher either and his books are mediocre, but at least he publishes books.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

@@seventus I don't think you understand what 'mediocre' means, but alright. To each his own.

[@minkexmachina1627]

This was a delight. Pat used to do a writers workshop thing on KZbin and even though I'm not a writer I have listened to them many times. Thank you for putting these on Penguin, can't wait for Hank Green!

[@AnonYmousxxx69420xxx]

Just pre-ordered Peace Talks. Thanks, Jim!

[@ShinkaTV]

Now I need Patrick as a friend, just so he will double my sales by telling everyone to purchase a second copy haha. Love you guys! Great interview

[@logansmith2703]

"And then there's Los Angeles and i didn't want to use Los Angeles cuz it's Los Angeles" Pffft shots fired

[@borimirtheboring]

When the guy who wrote The Kingkiller Chronicles is your biggest fanboy!

[@Awelbeckk]

When the guy who failed to finish the Kingkiller Chronicles ...

[@ddtdaydreamtime]

I don't know if seeing what others see during a soul gaze with Harry would be great or if it would be like seeing what was in Marcelluss's case. Great interview, I love both of these guys.

[@Ki11s0n3]

Polka Will Never Die!

[@kaneo1]

Dresdenverse needs to mention/acknowledge the recent declarations of Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, etc. as essential magical workers.

[@christianjensen7699]

Great Character Arcs: Rand Al'Thor in WOT.

[@collegesandcannibals241]

Patrick Rothfuss lecture with Jim Butcher in the audience.

[@nathanokun8801]

Dresden keeps getting better at his job, BUT in his universe he is quite literally "the new kid on the block" and keeps finding out that the "real world" in his dimension is WAY beyond what he originally knew about -- the more you know, the more you realize how little you know about all that there is to know...

[@bigsteve3530]

I wish Patrick could have had half the work ethic of Mr. Butcher.

[@DanBSmith83]

Great interview Pat. I'm sure you took this on while it was happening, but if you have time watch this interview back with the idea that everytime Jim speaks, he's giving you mentoring advice.

[@quackaddict9810]

A little part of me died when Jim said his assistant has never read his works.

[@stevencundy4501]

Was that a little bit of Terry Goodkind shade at the end there?

[@sarahteter524]

Oh man! I share an audible account with my best friend and we read stuff back to back and now Patrick Rothfuss is making me want to read Peace Talks at the same time as my best friend!!

[@SushiPajamas101]

Mary Robinette Kowal wiki got all the hits on this day.

[@NilesCooper]

We all know Pat Rothfuss aka. Rick Rubin would be the producer in the rock band scenario.

[@Andreasdenfrie]

I have always imagined soul-gazing Harry as some version of seeing the white knight/paladin repeatedly slay his normal self for the greater good. Like, instead of "evil" dream-self Harry, you get "good" Harry eliminating every iteration of himself who goes for a life of contentment and happiness.

[@timothyserpette9403]

I've searched a lot of fanfiction pages about this particular topic and this is probably my favorite idea I've heard fof it. I love that it's not his darker nature but rather his own contentment and happiness he has to crush over and over to keep being the man everyone needs. Good concept man.

[@sblinder1978]

You could say there's 2.5 Dresden anthologies, if you count the Bigfoot mini-collection

[@aldan7812]

This was absolutely fantastic lads, cheers!!!

[@Grimscribe732]

Most people: This seems fake. Pat: My verisimilitude is thrown.

[@jonshepherd2550]

Patrick says ' Ohhh that's like me I absolutely know where it ends... Jim tries desperately not to cough BULLSHIT

[@bshinkara]

I don't have a video, sadly, but I wanted to say, in reference to their conversation about swordsmen doing a 360 spin and how no professional swordsman would ever do it, while they're probably right, I do know someone who does that move to great success. Duke Miles in the SCA will occasionally do it during a tourney, and it almost always works...exactly once.

[@JamesMcCormickIV]

51:56 Rothfuss does an AMAZING J. Jonah Jameson

[@TheLoner00]

If anyone ever catches a Jim interview live can you guys ask him if he decides to allow another tv series to please keep a closer eye on it or better yet make an anime style that way James Masters could still be the voice of Dresden.

[@Beansareamagicalfruit]

I need more of this, fantastic thanks for the video!

[@windblownleaf6450]

LOL Jim looks like someone who just released 2 books

[@rustykoenig5489]

Podehl and marsters are both masterful!!!!

[@nathanokun8801]

Character development: Strangely, the Robot in the TV show LOST IN SPACE has one of the best versions of this I have seen. Talk about a "throw-away" character in the beginning of the show!

[@Breaker-of-horses-and-men]

30:50 who's that popping in for a look?

[@nathanokun8801]

NOTE: Walls work BOTH WAYS! If you try to make every single loose thread be cut or tucked into a hole in the story to LOCK IN everything there, then other later stories are LOCKED OUT since they would in many cases CONTRADICT things in the original story and mess up continuity. This seems to me the same concept of Gödel's Incompleteness Theory in math that states that no matter what you do, somewhere in your math topic of discussion you will be able to form a problem that REQUIRES information from OUTSIDE OF THAT TOPIC to solve it (if solvable at all). Math, like storytelling, is thus an open-ended technique that MUST include outside elements if your want to continue a storyline or do more math.

[@TimMcGames]

Loved the ending, lol

[@baconpwn]

Someday, I'd love to see these two play a tabletop game. Nerds unite!

[@illiantear]

They should play Tak

[@ronin3025]

Could’ve listened for hours.

[@fredrikgranstrom6743]

this needs to happen again

[@kennydyas3606]

The intro music is very relaxing.

[@Jabarjr]

Paused the video at 6:09 just to come type this comment: "Wow, Pat really likes Cheerios!"

[@wickeddragongoddess]

Love both of these authors❤️

[@jordancomfort1373]

@Kudmond How many books must someone write to be called an author? Or do you feel like after a certain period of time of not publishing that the title "author" is revoked?

[@robertstewart9989]

So many Cheerios

[@philwyss42]

Ok, Patrick. When? You know what I mean.

[@brerobertson484]

TimeDreamWriters Band: (Asimov as front man, a la Hari Seldon in Foundation), Sanderson on his drums, W. Gibson and K. Dick on the hemispherically lateralized neuro-organ, Samuel R. Delany on mirror guitar, Goodkind on prism cymbal, and Ursula K. Le Guin w/ Larry Niven on the xylophone, and harmonies coming from you guys to Tolkein to R. Martin to Wierd Al and all of the underacknowledged but literary or marketable greats--

[@vash3331]

Pat talks so much

[@TheKrazyLobster]

And writes so little

[@jasonswanson6770]

Should talk less and write more

[@lytalo]

As far as series go,I am not a big re-reader. But the Dresden Files is one I have read a couple times.

[@TheKrazyLobster]

30:50 Hello there, Player 3!

[@tubatom17]

Who is that? I am so confused!

[@robertsestito6821]

100 percent true jim writes the best action. If you need any single fight to point this out the ending of the codex Alers books its basically DragonBall z level insane action.

[@TurusDJava]

Jim straight up roasts star wars last Jedi 22:24

[@ThexInsidexMan]

I would sell my soul to Mab for a chance to hotbox and chat with these two legends of the pen.

[@robertreid2931]

Maybe when Rothfuss shows he can finish his big story, he'll be worthy of the "Legend" title.

[@aldan7812]

Hahahahhaa Pat you SO should have worn the tshirt bro

[@pinpunk13]

Jim looks like Dave Mustaine from Megadeth here. Minus the blonde hair.

[@swordablaze9259]

The bit about not knowing what to write next or RPing when the characters aren't taking plot hooks: one of the characters had destroyed every escape route out of this prison castle so our DM had to throw an Orc army at us to breach the castle walls 😂

[@sharoncops7160]

Love Harry. ❤❤❤

[@georgefinnegan2369]

Want you guys working on the Zelazny TV Show!! Love the first 3 books. Best start of a fictional novel series maybe ever. Would love to see the Magicians TV Show treatment to enrich the rest of the storyline.

[@nathanokun8801]

Have you ever had a character in a book you were going to write that simply refused to do what you had planned for him/her and literally argued with you as to what did or did not make sense for that character? Kind of like a split personality thing. I read that when Mel Blanc, the original voice of Bugs Bunny and many other movie cartoon characters, nearly died after an accident (luckily he recovered fully, I think), they found that while they could not talk to the unconscious Mel, the hospital staff COULD TALK TO BUGS BUNNY AND SOME OTHER OF HIS CHARACTERS AND ASK THEM HOW HE WAS DOING!! Got me thinking about writers, too...

[@jchinckley]

They couldn't edit this so we don't have to sit through Zoom setup?

[@GeektoStudios]

This is great. I larp too! (amateur writer). I write combat worse than anything else. But even the unrealism that is larp combat. Has improved how i imagine/write combat Other amateur writers, you can larp to learn about how hard/easy weird things are. Compared to what hollywood might have told you (sneaking, camping, running, dueling etc)

[@cherokee852004]

Hey Penguin books could you have Jim interview Benedict Jacka for next month's release of Forged?

[@jasonswanson6770]

Butcher went through a divorce i believe so that explains the gap in books. Rothfuss could have married and divorced 5 or 6 times by now, i have a 4th grader who wasn't even born when book 2 came out, now the kid could read book 2 before Pat can finish book 3.

[@jchinckley]

Does Pat have a Cheerios sponsorship? I mean the product placement is intense in his side of the video.

[@sailor1566]

Lol oh my god patrick talks and acts like viari in real life too haha

[@nicholasdimimsey-podmoore930]

Also I lived without power out here since Februrary 15th I understand...

[@DA-nk6gx]

Why does Pat have so many cheerios boxs on his shelf?

[@hemaccabe4292]

While we settle in to wait for the next book, I invite fans to enjoy a completely free novel set in the Dresden verse. Just Google Warlock of Omaha.

[@spleeenb4uwere551]

What did rothfuss say to read before peace talks? I forgot and don’t want to watch the whole thing again, lol.

[@blueshard4632]

Side Jobs and Brief Cases

[@tpawsplayground]

When Rothfuss talks about death metal like its a bad thing...ha. Okay, bruh.

[@achijatheizzetbard]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed the cherios. But seriously why..........

[@billyalarie929]

27:10 *Vi Hart has left the chat*

[@grimori]

Marsters was born to be the voice of the Dresden Files. Remember that fiasco a few years ago when someone else recorded one of the books?

[@Puddlewiggle]

grimori John Glover (Lex Luther's da). He did a great job, but it was so very wrong. Marsters has since rerecorded.

[@grimori]

@@Puddlewiggle I'm sure I would enjoy Glover's reading if I hadn't been listening to the series as recorded by Marsters. I gave it an honest listen and couldn't get pass the first chapter. I however gobbled up the Marsters recording in one day!

[@russell42289]

Am I imagining things or did Pat just low-key bash wot for being too wrapped up in the end?

[@stevemadden3642]

To be fair WOT got wayyyyy too loose. Loose to the point nothing fucking happened for four books

[@russell42289]

I'll concede, the slog was rough. Yet to this day it remains, imo, one of the best fantasy series of all time. The homage paid to all the different cultures across the world, the amazing character development paired with the sheer number he created, the foundation it set forth in our genre cannot be denied. I'd also like to note, while pat had me for awhile with his amazing first clue novels, I'm not sure I can forgive the decades long wait. At this point its sheer laziness or perfectionism, either is a detriment to his craft and a betrayal to those of us who've followed and read the series. I understand each of us should be allowed to create at our own pace, yet there are limits. Those first two books were a promise, one that has been left afield and forgotten while he cons and games his happy ass off.

[@shaunduquette5992]

Why does Jim look like Thorsten Kaye?lol

[@Joshkie2]

59:26 Irony

[@Lonethil]

Oh holy terror the MUZAK aahh, skip to 4:56 and save your sanity...

[@darkwolf8692]

Not to sound rude but rothfuss can learn something from butcher who is releasing two books back to back in a year. And has more than 15 books in that world while someone is writing a 'prologue'.

[@AcidicDelusion]

Fanfuckingtastic

[@cgctorrag]

hey Rothfuss do us all a favor and produce a novel...any novel. Thanks.

[@Fibonochos]

Patrick need to read Brandan Saunderson cause he rivals Jim for combat

[@elCondeY]

Did they say anything about the last king killer book? I want to skip the long video ;p

[@djkoz78]

Skip to 56:20 for video to start

[@oberstul1941]

OMG, I read about it before, but I never noticed it. Is Pat always this cringy af? It seemed to me that he even made Jim Butcher a bit uncomfortable a couple of times. Yikes.

[@Awelbeckk]

Possibly

[@NotoriusMaximus]

Where are The Doors of Stone at, Rothfuss?

[@nicholasdimimsey-podmoore930]

so they put the most beautiful woman in the world on video....

[@kinglebricks5833]

I love the jab at TLJ fuck that movie.

[@GoldmansGarage]

Advice for pat. Let the guest talk. And if you don’t tell us when book 3 comes out we don’t care about you 😀

[@Claire940]

Does he Say something about DoS?