People Get SO TRIGGERED When Characters Are Race Swapped

[@karaltar7914]

Virgin „I hate this live action movie because it has a black person in it“ vs Chad „I hate this live action movie because it’s a low effort cash grab“

[@Oscar_the_fascist_slayer]

Gigachad: I hate the original and the remake

[@phoenixwhiler943]

Did you start the quotes with commas or did yt fuck up?

[@karaltar7914]

@@phoenixwhiler943 in german the quotation marks at the beginning of a quote are on the bottom.

[@SimplyJorgasmic]

​@karaltar7914 he wasnt using german...

[@karaltar7914]

@@SimplyJorgasmic my keyboard is set to German so it automatically puts the quotation marks on the bottom.

[@HP_1227]

I'm just so tired of remakes. 1. Animation is a valid form of media, and deserves more recognition and appreciation. 2. Can we have new stories with a diverse cast? Remakes were endearing at one point because they would shake up the story in cute, fun or interesting ways (1997 Cinderella, 2003 Freaky Friday, 1983 Scarface) but now it really is just a cash grab preying on nostalgia.

[@chuzzbot]

Guess what? Snow White was never a Disney animation to start with. Joisus

[@InvaderMedia420]

Thank you I 100% agree I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s just sick and tired of the only diversity we get is race, swapping sexual orientation, swapping gender, swapping characters that already existed in franchises that I’ve already been done to death

[@LolLol-xl3re]

ESEPCIALLY 2D animation as valid form of media which has been the most sidelined. People dismiss it as “cartoons 🥴”

[@daddykarlmarx6183]

Not only is animation a valid form of media, I think in a lot of ways it could be considered the superior form of media

[@amelliamendel2227]

Is the cheapest least effort possible cash grab tho 🤷‍♀️

[@cookies23z]

the one that kills me, more then any of them is Isaac in castlevania (the netflix series) he is SO fucking good, and anyone who cant look past "oh but hes dark skinned now" is genuinely less of a person to me.

[@educprof2160]

This aplies to nocturne's Annette as well, castlevania needs less lame looking blonds and annette has 10 more personality than the original.

[@arcturionblade1077]

Isaac is my wife's and my favorite character from the first Castlevania animated series. We were both rooting for him and were kinda bummed he never even met the main characters. Annette in Nocturne shows promise and we really enjoyed the scene in which she avenged her mother.

[@stoves5877]

what's really funny is Astrids voice actor is America Ferrara but no one had a problem there. It's clear this is just because of her skin color.

[@Alias_Anybody]

​@@educprof2160 That's not hard considering Annette was less of a character and more of a plot point in Rondo of Blood. She was so irrelevant she didn't even return for SotN afaik.

[@educprof2160]

@@Alias_Anybody i know, but there was a lot of effort to start a drama arround her race, i said effort because it nothing happened in the end, there were a lot of racist POS that tried to harm the show and studio with that.

[@ajzeg01]

Doesn’t help that right-wingers are weird about vikings in general.

[@arcturionblade1077]

Very weird. Them and the Romans.

[@GeteMachine]

Its another thing Nazis tend to obsess over with the runes stuff. Not all are Nazis but a lot of Nazis like Scandinavian aesthetics.

[@BerserkerLuke]

​@RichardTater I definitely feel this. The Cleopatra movie a while back suffered from exactly this. You'd have actual analysis from historians about how inaccurate it was and how the director obviously didn't give a crap about history, but that was all drowned out by thousands of racists screaming about it. If I remember right even Vaush covered how bad it was.

[@pancakes8670]

​​@@RichardTaterYeah. It sucks being a fan of Ancient and Medieval warfare and stuff, and the dominant channels in the space is shit like Shadiversity.

[@amelliamendel2227]

It's the Aryan 💩

[@RecDougs]

Very funny for them to complain about "staying true to the original stories" when none of them complained when the entire plot was changed from the book of How to Train your Dragon

[@daraghokane4236]

She thinks the film is the Original she thinks Disney snow white is the original

[@amazingspiderlad]

That relies on the assumption that any of these people have ever read a book

[@GeteMachine]

Because they don't actually know the "original work" at all themselves or never fact-check anything when a cast is all white. They think that alone makes it accurate. None of them at all will bring up anything inaccurate beyond race, I can predict it.

[@bajolunapod]

whataboutism

[@eimazd]

I'm still a little salty about that. Like, yes, the movie is fantastic and gorgeous and I want to ride movie!Toothless in more ways than one, but I also _really, really_ wish the books had an actual adaptation.

[@dragoncatoverload]

Making Astrid black seems pointless but to be fair this whole movie seems pointless

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

I mean shes like 20 percent black and looks like a white girl who goes outside

[@Argumemnon]

Might be worthwhile just to piss them off.

[@Demonsta]

I mean yeah, it literally is pointless, the same way her being white is literally pointless, because the color of her skin has literally no bearing on the story or character aside from the widespread belief that vikings are all supposed to be pale white people with blue eyes and blond hair... Just like all those nice white fellas in the Bible. There is no point to it to begin with, so there's no point in sticking to it at the cost of denying work to qualified actors based on their skin color.

[@Henrik_Holst]

Probably have less to do with "we must make Astrid black" and more to do with Disney wanting to try Nico Parker in a lead role.

[@dragoncatoverload]

@@Demonsta admittedly, while the Bible takes place in the Middle East; the Vikings come from Scandinavia aka a place that vitamin D is a bit hard to come by if you got the melanin.

[@lordtsweeble2898]

I can accept a black Snow White if her hair is white as snow.

[@dreamcanvas5321]

Now see, that actually sounds a bit interesting and creative!

[@appa609]

Except that's guaranteed to look terrible outside a high fantasy setting

[@TeleportRush]

@@appa609 She's a fairy tale character, so that wouldn't be hard to do??? Magic in your magical story? Its more likely than you think

[@SailorAnthy]

Iirc, there said they’re going to address it by calling innocent/pure as the driven snow kinda thing

[@donovan5656]

@@dreamcanvas5321agreed. But that would take actual balls and creativity. The 2 things Hollywood lacks in abundance

[@ziontea7045]

I low-key feel bad for the actress playing astrid. She's the race-swapped version of yet ANOTHER character (Sarah in "The Last of Us" TV show). I wonder how she deals with this cycle of media reports after it happened fairly recently too.

[@ravenblood1954]

What moron is going to make an issue of Sarah when Pedro Pascal plays Joel???

[@DarthNinja65]

​@@ravenblood1954Pedro Pascal is seen as "White"

[@SupergirlsBF]

​@@DarthNinja65 No the Last of Us starts in a small Texas town just outside Austin. Plenty of Hispanics there. The casting makes sense.

[@Doyourbest4245]

She jumped into kilt after endless examples of negativity coming from race-swapped characters and she did it anyway. She doesn’t care about the backlash, or that it makes people mad.

[@ravenblood1954]

@@SupergirlsBF lol so a black girl is a immersion breaking anomaly there is it?

[@Skyler.142]

And then when they ask for POC original characters and get them, it’s somehow woke. They’re just racist and we need to just tell them point blank.

[@josuebarboza9809]

That's been working great, hasn't it.

[@synchronium24]

Right wingers do, yes. Original POC character instead of race-swapping existing white characters is exactly what I want. Either that or make it a free-for-all in which race-swapping in either direction is fine.

[@rayalexander3734]

Actually it’s a valid point . Original poc characters will get it like in Star Wars lol and demo swapped characters will get it in old IPs. What do you want ?! Just say you don’t like representation. I would far rather blind casting to make art even more artistic . Just blow the door way open and let the bats person portray the character . Blind casting like greys anatomy has did .

[@appa609]

​@@synchronium24 nah then we get white panther lol

[@arcturionblade1077]

​​@@rayalexander3734Finn was arguably the most interesting character from The Force Awakens but they ruined his character arc thereafter.

[@FabbrizioPlays]

Bringing Wicked into this is actually insane. "She went from green, to still green! REEEE"

[@gwelwynn]

Wicked *is* woke but it has nothing to do with the green witch being played by a black woman. Elphaba gives up wanting to conform for the libs for solidarity with animals against fascism. But that'd require a crumb of media literacy

[@VesperAegis]

This stuff is just endless entertainment to me. Oh my god melanin content. My show is ruined.

[@Halophage]

It's crazy because The Wizard of Oz is an American book so you can't even claim historical ethnic demographics as a defence here without advocating for Native American casting. Which, to be clear, would kick ass

[@cass7448]

Remember the complaining about a black woman being cast as Starfire in the Teen Titans show? You know, the ORANGE ALIEN?

[@IwonaKlich]

Also Elphaba was been played many times by black actresses.

[@BenisMannn]

Ah yes, the historically acurate vikings with catapults and horned helmets

[@TheSpeep]

@@BenisMannn And Scottish accents.

[@aguspuig6615]

Its not about literal historical accuracy, its about the general vibe. Horned helmets are a trope, Vikings being black is a political statement

[@Doyourbest4245]

“DeY dIdn’T hAve HorNs oN DeRR hElMutS!” Do you people know anything else?

[@anitaremenarova6662]

It's a fantasy story, having nonsensical things like black people in the nordics is something an ancient storyteller would have no frame of reference for. Dragons they did, simple as.

[@frost1995]

Typing something all silly is not an argument chud, try again

[@lordofthebuckets2676]

I do think there’s a critique to be made for the token aspect of these race swap characters. Like because we can’t get new movies about black characters we get remakes of the old movies with like one token race swapped character.

[@JamieElli]

If only that was the complaint people made.

[@lordofthebuckets2676]

@ Yeah, I wish people would not see this movie for the right reasons.

[@justcallmekai1554]

Hell it doesn't have to be tokenized. That implies that the for example black character literal does nothing for the plot and just fills space and at best, as a comedic relief. Some of these characters are actually relevant. Its just that they exist. Doesnt matter if its an established franchise or something new. The complaint is the same with a common theme and banks on the material being bad for other reasons to jump on the "anti woke" train.

[@lordofthebuckets2676]

@ I think making Astrid black is tokenizing. I don’t feel the same way about Ariel. If Disney had balls they would’ve put a black character in the Mulan remake but you know China wouldn’t have let them do that.

[@TheSpeep]

​@@justcallmekai1554This is something I agree with. I actually think making Ariel black worked for the story, for example: a girl falls in love with someone from a different culture, despite the pushback from those around her. Makes sense to make Ariel and the prince different races, it supports that point. Same thing in the live action One Piece; they made Nami's sister black, it shows that the two of them arent related by blood, because they were adopted. It can be done in a way that supports elements of the story. It usually isnt, its usually just a cynical marketing ploy, but it doesnt have to be.

[@tirushone6446]

"anti-woke wizard of oz." ah yes, the Wizard Of American Expectionism.

[@luxborealis]

Wouldn’t that be Elon?

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

Fun fact there was the remains of a Scandinavian girl in viking york who was found to have 33 percent African ancestry through her father’s side implying her father was half black specifically Esan or Yoruba and grandfather fully black

[@Bayard1503]

Not shocking at all considering the huge slave markets in the Norse world... and that in many places the children of slaves were freed, with very little rights but still kind of free. But that's besides the point, people want the characters they fell in love in the animated movies...

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

@@Bayard1503he wasn’t slave nore where her or her father they were buried with high end goods implying high status

[@trevorD1156]

If her father was half black, wouldn't that be 25%? Also ultimately all of our ancestry is African, so isn't labeling, separating or defining any one by race as black, white, etc whether for good or bad racist? And you can't fix racism with racism

[@ferdinandavila-soto7233]

@@trevorD1156You also can’t fix it by ignoring it, though. Yes, it’s made up, but you have to acknowledge the history of it before you can make things better.

[@daddykarlmarx6183]

​@@trevorD1156that's not how DNA works, it's not as simple as exactly 50/50 split between the DNA of both parents, sometimes you get more or less DNA from one parent or another. Also while race is fundamentally a social construct with no set defining lines, there are still various different genetic traits that certain groups have, and certain groups don't, and it can be useful to have a term for these different populations. That's like saying all life on earth should be one species because we share a common ancestor without accounting for the unique genetic variations amongst groups

[@napalmholocaust9093]

I'm furious that Iago was not voiced by a parrot. The indignity never ends.

[@JadusMoltriel]

And Genie was played by that human Robin Williams, rather than an authentic Djin/ spirit. The audacity!

[@Majikn]

Next thing you're going to tell me is that Zazu wasn't voiced by a toucan

[@katyungodly]

Are you telling me that Winnie was not in fact voiced by a pooh?! 😤

[@Metaljacket420]

"And before you say it, yes I am incredibly racist." Yeah we already knew.

[@erisch126]

5:30 It´s not about representation or any of that. Disney gets free advertisment through these ragebait videos. They lose a few thousand racists as customers, but millions of people see the "controversy" and decide to watch the movie because of it.

[@TheMarcQ]

I would never hear about half of these shitty remakes if it wasn't for the culture war.

[@afroartist1086]

That's what I've always thought about it all. "All publicity is good publicity" type strategy.

[@google_is_annoying_me_lots3440]

they generally don't even tend to lose the racist customers either

[@Carakav]

1- The issue with race swapping is that it's unnecessary. Arcane did this completely right: they made multiple new diverse characters, and put them on equal narrative footing as the existing heroes. No one felt erased, and the story was improved across the board. 2- Race swapping is usually done cynically, to meet what the corpos see as an arbitrary quota, and it turns culture and heritage into a zero-sum game, when it isn't. 3- The real issue here is the fact that Disney isn't making new shit, and is instead making these awful remakes.

[@Christian_Ada1]

But honestly even if they made new SHIT people will complain regardless because people are complaining about new stuff that's not a remake Take for instance alien Romulus it's a new cast no replacing anyone and they are still complaining about it being diverse and WOKE So yeah there you go

[@TeleportRush]

I mean, arcane has the benefit of being new and therefore you don't know which characters could have filled in for those diverse roles, but then again that's kind of the point. If they just made new stuff, then this would be less of an issue, agreed

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

Yeah, the new Black Annie unironically makes sense when you keep in mind that the original White Annie was meant to be Irish in a time the Irish where deemed "The n*gros of Europe" _and obviously we're a former English colony._ Unironically, OG Annie was a girl who suffered because of her relationship to whiteness/power THEREFORE a modern take with a Black Annie makes sense actually. I honestly feel like this just comes across as poor casting. "Black Spider-Man" isn't just Peter Parker in Black face, he's a totally different character who just fits into Spiderman's tropes in his own way with his own name Miles Morales. Because he's a young Black Hispanic boy making a name for himself as a superhero even if he's following in the steps of the OG Spiderman. I personally just don't like changes that aren't justified by some sort of interesting payoff. Making Astrid black like this just comes across as low-key disrespectful TBH. Like they're just trying to pander to a particular paying audience who if they wanted to see more of her for representation would be sorely disappointed because she's not black in any other media of her. And I doubt her personality will be the same either if they're changing things for no reason other than to make money. Her character could end up the total opposite because that tested better in focus groups and anyone who likes her will be saddened to find out the black character they like is completely 100% new and probably only getting the one movie depending on the box office performance, which has been going down for remakes. 🤷‍♀️ I'm not even saying this version of Astrid will suck, I'm just saying there's no point in giving people a black character who isn't new BUT ALSO didn't exist before. If they like her then they're screwed too. 🤦‍♀️ Edit: There's also a slim chance they do something racist with her character like make her a stereotypical angry black woman or something, and it could be inadvertently too given how some people might define her by how angry she seems to be throughout the first movie. You can't just change the context of stories like that tbh. 💀

[@imnackeredsirnackered948]

@@Christian_Ada1 Romulus? most people that usually complain about diversity all loved that movie.

[@VagabondTE]

Arcane isn't really the best example here because it was already pretty diverse and the lore structure allows for any number of stories and characters. Whereas a Disney movie is a much more focused story with only a handful of characters. I think we agree on the underlying issue. A lot of Disney race swaps are just low effort decisions. (Except for Hindal, who was an excellent decision). I'm just saying Arcane is a bad comparison.

[@matthewatteberry8711]

My favorite is conservatives getting mad about little mermaid. The OG little mermaid was green. Where the fuck is my green mermaid?!?

[@belablanck]

Honestly, she should have been green with yellow eyes and sharp teeth

[@E3AloeLi]

My only problem with the live action portrayal was that her hair was bright red and so she didn’t stand out from the background, but I’m an artist and I have an eye for character deisgn

[@pugletpie]

I hate how conservatives are so shallow. I read some reviews of BBC Merlin. A television series can agree with them politically, be 100% pro-monarchy, pro-obedience to authority at the expense of your own community, pro-witch burnings, but all they care about is that one minor character in the background is non-white.

[@wrv341]

I think most of the complaints was the red hair being so vibrant and iconic, but I agree, all the remakes should be swapped to POC to offset the all-white casts of literally every movie pre-2020.

[@matthewatteberry8711]

@ alright you got me. She was turquoise.

[@GypsyScot1]

Ah yes, How to Train Your Dragon, a movie famous for historical accuracy in its portrayal of horn-helmeted, Scottish-accented, DRAGON-RIDING Vikings

[@wrv341]

true, I think the entire cast should be POC to offset the all-white cast of, um, every movie ever made pre-2020.

[@teslashark]

Astrid used to be Japanese! Literally called Camikazi!

[@IamGrimalkin]

​@@teslashark Astrid is not Camicazi. They share practically no traits. Camicazi is not Japanese. Her name is most likely translated from Norse, like half of the other names in How to Train your Dragon (Hiccup, Snot-lout, Fish-legs etc). Her mother is called Bertha, incidentally.

[@daddykarlmarx6183]

See I don't like this sort of representation either, but ya know, for actually valid reasons and not just "brown person bad", my biggest problem with this sort of representation is that it's not done out of earnest but rather is a cold calculated business strategy, they don't race swap characters because they want to give those communities a voice or something, they race swap characters in the hopes a more diverse cast will appeal to more people and thus sell more tickets and toys. Also if they wanted to make the little mermaid more " woke" then instead of a race swap it should've been a gender swap as the little mermaid was originally a thinly veiled gay love story

[@rohanking12able]

Nu uh... only racist people have a problem

[@TheReaperofHades]

I remember back in the day when there was a live action Cinderella where the Prince was Filipino, the father was white, and the mom was black xD and no one cared. Unless I’m wrong and there were people calling it woke way back when.

[@SailorAnthy]

Are you talking about Brandy Cinderella? I think its official name is like Rodger and Hammerstein’s Cinderella or something like that.

[@DarthNinja65]

I think people called it "Politically Correct" or whatever but people weren't as loud back then. It also wasn't a theatrical film.

[@Maddutukkkk]

I remember when they some group announced they were doing live action movie of moana. All the black people lost their minds at that. Even tho the actor was ethnically hawaiian lol😂but she was too ”white”.

[@pugletpie]

Cinderella is a good example of how folklore reflects the population. There is a Cinderella in most cultures. IIRC the origins are Egyptian

[@majorlazor5058]

White people definitely whined about it back in the day, but there was no other options in the 90’s so you either watched it or reruns of Full House.

[@meric2363]

She's 3/4s white. They are just using the One Drop Rule.

[@davidhennen7045]

[@bob_0146]

They could make her look European if they wanted to but that wasn't the point

[@sephrot6830]

@@bob_0146 Yea she could definitely be white passing if they just give her a blond wig and blue eye contacts

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

@@sephrot6830 WTF do you think all whites are blonde with blue eyes? She is the only one in the cast with Nordic "blood" if you are race-checking.

[@aguspuig6615]

@@TorIverWilhelmsen wich should lead you to the obvious conclusion, its not about race or even culture its just about looks. Chris Hemsworth is Australian but he can play a good Thor because he looks the par, his genetics or culture of origin dont matter when hes acting, but his looks do

[@hexcodeff6624]

The original movie was already erasing scottish identity by giving all the child characters Hollywood dialect.

[@krank23]

Given the movie is about "vikings" speaking scottish and wearing horned helmets (neither of which are especially viking:y) it's pretty clear these people do not give a shit about "historical accuracy" even if there weren't dragons. It's not about historical accuracy, it's just about "race".

[@garrettwhite3922]

And I didn't even see them go viking, so they aren't.... viking is a verb that describes a job in norse society not the culture lol

[@NotASeriousMoose]

​@@garrettwhite3922Strange, when we actual descendant of Vikings think otherwise. They are Vikings, since they where from the time of the Vikings. Or Vikingatiden as we would say.

[@StormCrownSr]

Imagine if they made it important to the story? Why is Astrid brown? Her grandfather was a black explorer and because of racism and superstition her family is just now finally being accepted. It could even add on to the original. Now she's also trying to outdo all the boys in dragon training to show everyone her skin tone doesn't not make her a viking.

[@E3AloeLi]

This would be cool but they probably aren’t doing that cuz we live in a society of shitty non artists leading artistic projects

[@stark_harshly]

Then reactionaries would complain it was preachy. Their grift is just a cynical in motivation.

[@IwonaKlich]

Well shes a Viking. So her grandmother was probably catched, basicaly enslaved, raped and forced to live here. Even worst.

[@StormCrownSr]

@@stark_harshly they are already saying it's preachy. I want good stories. Period.

[@wrv341]

True, but I think the point is to be relatable to POC children who have had to look at unrelatable white people in movies in literally every movie pre-2020.

[@StormCrownSr]

"Mad that the viking is brown? Cringe! I'm mad that the viking has a californian accent for the umpteenth time."

[@TheCoolJavelin7]

Incels

[@mart9177]

Really? You are mad that the actress from Hollywood LA talks in a californian accent? You or whoever smartypants said that quote. Was it Vaush? It seems like a Vaushian thing to say. It seems like someone with the Vaushian disease would say.

[@Metaljacket420]

Vikings were all white and blonde with blue eyes and 6'4. Definitely don't look up genetic studies of the diversity of Vikings in Scandinavia, don't do it! I wrote the blonde hair blue eyes thing before she unironically said it in the vid.

[@Badbufon]

people think greeks, jesus and eminem were also white... white people have been race swapping culture for a freaking long ass time...

[@GeteMachine]

Funny they never really care about inaccuracies within Viking media in pop-culture generally, like them having horned hermits not being actually a thing but when its skin color, thats when they get furious, even if the reactionaries go off of myths themselves.

[@imnackeredsirnackered948]

Diversity when? back in 1200s? sorry mate Vikings were mostly blonde, blue eyes or brown hair and blue eyes or brown hair and green eyes or red hair brown eyes. There was no black jarl.

[@Doyourbest4245]

Cope. White history isn’t yours to claim.

[@Khalkara]

@@imnackeredsirnackered948 They also didn't have horned helmets or dragons in the 1200s. This is a fantasy setting my dude. Referring to historical accuracy is nonsensical.

[@bienmal]

why are people taking a racist angry preteen seriously?

[@MrNoob-xo5uz]

She's 25, and possessed I think.

[@ObakeOnna]

Fun fact about historical Vikings: after visiting North America they brought at least one Native American woman with them to Iceland, otherwise a very isolated community at a time. As a result there are still at least four families in Iceland that carry mitochondrial mutations otherwise found in Native Americans. So if they wanted to change Astrid in a way that made perfect historical sense, there's your solution.

[@toothbrushlord2412]

Maleficent was a live action remake and told the story of sleeping beauty in a completely new way, and was objectively more progressive than the animated movie. that movie was recieved well, and honestly still holds up. i guess Disney found out they don't have to try

[@Ovulations]

@2:25 this is funny because the witch, being a black woman makes perfect sense. She could have been a normal shade of brown and still faced the same kind of discrimination because she simply was not white. The wizard of oz portraying the wicked witch as an Evil black woman makes perfect sense. They would have never made her the good witch. This is exactly what they wanted. Being Mad that a paid actress is actually black is so funny

[@KptnAutismus]

yea i don't care about the skin colour of a viking, my autism just has a problem if the character that has been established over 3 movies to be the whitest blondest girl you've ever seen us suddenly a lot of shades darker.

[@Thegr8MC]

What I'm angry about is that they're making a live action How to Train Your Dragon at all. Like, those movies were perfect as is! And it's not even like they're old films! They came out in the 2010's!

[@rockmycd1319]

Yeah but nostalgia bait slop is needed for extra profit

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Um, the animated movies don't go away. If you do not like this new one, don't watch it.

[@yomammasaurusrex9571]

​@TorIverWilhelmsen 'don't watch if don't like" wow what a concept. I forgot people can't share opinions

[@Bonaboo]

I agree except for the last one. It was a huge disappointment and the director was really held back by the studio from what he actually wanted to do with it. He’s the same guy directing the live action, so maybe this time he’ll have the chance to make what he actually planned. Both the second and third films were darker in his original draft.

[@FrancoDFernando]

I've been saying that the 90s was probably the "wokest" decade ever

[@uninstaller2860]

That's why millennials are the most progressive generation

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

Wait untill right winders realize one of the two main characters is literally black (toothless)

[@Hannahgs]

Honestly, I say stop doing it for two reasons: we don’t need live action remakes anyway and all it does is lead to harassment and danger for the actor/actress.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

That would just be pandering to the bullies. Anyway, the public will vote with their money whether the live action remakes are popular or not.

[@Hannahgs]

@@TorIverWilhelmsen “vote with your dollar” is a conservative saying for a reason. It doesn’t work. Hasn’t Disney been LOSING money in these projects? More and more each time? And on the recent marvel films? Why haven’t they magically stopped? I will 100% “give in to the bullies” to stop bad movies being made and prevent more actors from being harassed off their social media accounts and IRL. Make new stories with them instead.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

@@Hannahgs Because (movie) companies love losing money. It reduces their tax burden. Disney make new stories all the time, like the excellent Elementals, but whiny conservatives find something to complain about them anyway.

[@IwonaKlich]

​@@Hannahgswell its not even Disney

[@Hannahgs]

@@IwonaKlich I know…did you read anything I said?

[@livelongandtroll9108]

Btw, adding Cynthia Erivo to the cast of "Wicked" was a wickedly good move. Not only is she amazing at singing and acting, but her performance was very poignant in the scenes where her character is ostracized because of her skin. It fits perfectly with the themes of how fascism and populism are weaponized against those who are different. P.S. I have never seen the stage show or read the book. If it is better or worse than either, I don't know; I'm just judging the movie I've watched. I know the book is supposed to be more political, while the musical focuses more on friendship and romance, which are the least interesting parts for me.

[@gwelwynn]

Imo the film did the politics much better than the stage musical. Probably because they stretched it out so much (the movie is only the first act of the stage script)

[@livelongandtroll9108]

@@gwelwynn I knew going in that it would be equivalent to the first act, and I'm glad they chose to split the story into two parts. I would rather they do that than create a breakneck-paced film trying to cram a stage show into a movie like Tom Hooper's "Les Misérables." Now that you've told me it allowed them to explore the politics of Oz more, even better! There are still some tonal inconsistencies that I believe must have been inherited from the musical. For instance, after the extremely disturbing scene where the professor is captured, Elphaba sings a love ballad. Then, we spend way too much time on the friendship between the leads, and there is even a "we're 'touristing'" song. I see nothing wrong with any of those elements, but where they were placed in the story did not fit.

[@markusjones8412]

You literally can’t win with these people because whenever you do introduce a character that’s a POC then start to claim that that character is only a POC to be woke. It’s damn if you do damn if you don’t. Worst part is they will then pretend as if there isn’t a faction of them saying that shit.

[@rabenfedersonnenhut]

So many ways to give god POC characters without fishing for controversy and clout, though. They do a disrespect to actual representation with that modus operandi, i fear :/

[@GeteMachine]

16:40 That is a total lie. Her ilk were pissed to this day over Ariel. They never let that go.

[@Maddutukkkk]

Tribalism is not wrong. You should have seen how the black community reacted to the live action moana actor lol😂 just don’t race swap already existing characters

[@jayneroberts1236]

Don’t let her see the 1939 wizard of Oz

[@georgenicholas1662]

The Witch of the South is Paula Dean

[@somethingelse4424]

Her achilles heel is a microwave and she melts into a delicious popcorn topping.

[@Commander_ZiN]

You know if they stopped the free outrage advertising, maybe they wouldn't do it in every movie. Most people just don't care, it's fiction! However these people often think fiction is real...

[@noobist85]

16:39 Where would we be today if it wasn't for those strong, definitely real, brave, blode hair, blue eyed, latin sounding dragon riders? I wouldn't be flying my legendary night fury dragon to work every morning thats for darn sure. They deserve our unyielding respect and admiration. Not this woke crap.

[@copycalico]

While the narrative of inclusion is probably a factor, I think there is a bigger reason these studios are doing that. They know it makes the anti-woke people mad and have them complain about it all over the internet. It's literally free advertising. Especially since at least 70% of people don't care. They'll watch the movie if they think they may like the movie. But they'd have to hear about it first. And this is how they will.

[@oilking-bo3gt]

WE know all the bigest reason why the are doing IT A Higher esg Score from black Rock If the realy wanted to make her black The Just should have done IT 15 years ago the only See diversty wehn ITS bringig in Money

[@CalamariPlaysStarfield]

They could have at least made her blonde, also could have casted ACTUAL twins to play the twins in how to train your dragon

[@imnackeredsirnackered948]

Imagine they made some African folk lore into a cartoon or live action where the entire cast was black and then 15 years down the line they made many of the beloved characters white with traditional African hair styles. It would be emersion breaking just like when Vikings added in black jarls and characters. Immediately emersion breaking.

[@teslashark]

Astrid is Japanese in the book. Yes.

[@sub-harmonik]

to me I think it only matters when the character's color or race is part of the character. And that also depends on the setting of the story too. For instance for the classic example ~in general~ people didn't have an issue with Sam Jackson as Nick Fury because being white wasn't an integral part of the character. Now you can say race isn't integral to any character, but there is at least a spectrum of it between Nick Fury and Snow White. When the character is based on a fairy tale from a particular culture or geographic location that were historically pretty racially homogenous they do expect people of that ethnicity. I think people didn't even have a big issue with Heimdall not being white because he's a god. For James Bond although the character does have a specific physical description, because the character has so many iterations and isn't set in only the 1950s or whatever I think it makes sense for him to be a non-white british man too. Generally I think people just want how the characters look to make sense in the setting. No-one had an issue with Moanna, Lilo and Stitch, Mulan, etc.

[@SailorAnthy]

I almost stroked out at how casual “Sam Jackson” sounds. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything other than the full “Samuel L. Jackson”

[@gakeon963]

@@SailorAnthy Worst i've seen is "Sam L Jackson" in case people don't want to write Samuel. But man Sam Jackson sounds like a completely different person.

[@DrakeBarrow]

Do remember that Samuel L Jackson's Nick Fury was actually a different version of the character in the comics (and said version was black). Early MCU uses a lot of the Ultimates in terms of story beats, Jackson's character being one of them. Thankfully we didn't get "HULK WANT FREDDIE PRINZE JR!".

[@niccolorichter1488]

I just want there to be constintency When is an european based folklore and story is fine to race swap Bud when is African or Asian it isnt ??? Like one or the other Either races swaps dont matter or thry do matter Also this particular actress is like 3/4 white and they could have make her look the part if they wanted to

[@teslashark]

Astrid used to be Japanese. As in, she is called Camikazi instead.

[@MarkSoupial]

I didn't know there was a group worse than disney adult, but now I know Rumble disney adult is a thing

[@vihurah9554]

idrc about this only because im not watching the remake anyway, but to be the controversial white boy for a second this one does kind of rub me the wrong way. if the cast is going for nordic/Scandinavian and they put an non white actress in, even if they use a "technicality", it just feels cheap. this isnt naturally sliding in a person who fits the role, again its just looking for an excuse to fill a quota, which in a way isnt fair to the actress either. the whole thing just wasnt really necessary.

[@elk12429]

Yeah in Oz lore, the good witches are of the north and south, but the wicked witches are east and west (the east is the one who gets squished by a house)

[@tylerhackner9731]

Same people that call poc original characters “woke”

[@ObiJohnKenobi67]

My only issue is when they race swap a historical figure, because that’s downright disrespectful to actual people.

[@rorschachwatchmen4742]

Race swapping is as old as movies themselves

[@katyungodly]

THEY TURNED JESUS WHITE, IT'S WOKENESS GONE WILD!!!

[@glitchedoom]

I only get triggered by live action remakes of animated films.

[@albertobarbieri117]

I think someone just explained the plot of "the 13th warrior" without even knowing...

[@tiborklein5349]

Hot take: Every race swap nowadays is trash, it's only engagement bait. Nobody would talk about this remake if it weren't for this.

[@majorlazor5058]

Trash take. The assumption is race swapping is an actual issue. It’s not. They mostly People cast actresses based on talent, connections, and how little they can get away with paying them.

​@@majorlazor5058 dont pretend that the appearence of the actors doesn't matter. And as vaush said, it is obvious that they are casting black people because the executives want black people to play the role so they gain inclusion points

[@Aliasfakename123]

I'm so glad I'm not a Disney adult. I can't fathom caring enough about a cartoon character looking different in live action that I don a Minnie Mouse sweater and scream at a camera.

[@garrettwhite3922]

For a property Disney doesn't even own lol

[@jackskellingtonsora]

3:27 If openly admitting to being racist didn't get people to stop taking you seriously, getting mad about Wicked, one of the best movies of the year, if not the best, one of the best selling movies of all time, and a massive cultural event movie, will certainly get people to stop listening to you in less than a second.

[@zant41]

Wicked is not even close to being that good be serious

[@jackskellingtonsora]

@@zant41 Nah dude, it's fire.

[@mrhopadopalus]

​@@zant41I agree with that, it's got great production but my god does it just dragggggggg on, why is that bitch 3 hours long and have a part 2???

[@fireandblood2919]

People are still crying over black Velayrons from House of the Dragon in my Reddit mentions for three years now.

[@trianglemoebius]

Wait, what? House Velayron is from the unmapped east part of Essos, which is basically "fantasy-Africa"!

[@thereccher8746]

They probably only did that so the Harwin strong bastard plot made more sense, making it dumber to complain about.

[@Glamuel]

@@trianglemoebiusSothoryos is more like fantasy Africa. Essos is more like Eastern Europe and Asia. But since Old Valyria was a huge continent-spanning empire, it makes sense it would comprise of multiple ethnicities, so the point stands.

[@Glamuel]

@@thereccher8746The bastard plot in the book was meant to be a bit ambiguous, since the strong boys have dark hair they could’ve gotten from Rhaenys (who’s half Baratheon and has black hair in the books) but in the show the strong boys are obviously bastards. However it is unfortunate HOTD cut one of the few canonically dark skinned characters from the book, Nettles, and are giving Rhaena her plot instead.

[@arcturionblade1077]

​​@@GlamuelYeah, wife and I were bummed that they folded Nettles and Rhaena into a single character. The Nettles character being a lowborn (but independent) nobody is entirely the point of her character.

[@gryph0n55]

Honestly I kinda do wish characters remained consistent. Like I'm not saying you can't do redesigns, but I still think a core of the character design should be maintained, especially when the character has a long standing established design core to them. I can appreciate a redesign but when you redesign a character I want there to be meaning to it instead of just doing it for the sake of doing it. Like I'm not gonna be furious if one day we get a black Luke Skywalker, but I also don't think it's unreasonable to say Luke Skywalker should probably stay a white guy ya know? I don't really think we need a Hispanic Legolas, or a Southeast Asian Blade, or a Scandinavian Miles Morales. I appreciate it infinitely more when character designers design new interesting versions of a character within the confines of their core design. And if they're gonna make a brand new design I would expect it to have a reason why you're undoing the character's established design. 90% of Batman designs all remain within the confines of the core Batman design philosophy, and the 10% that don't usually have a good reason why Batman is suddenly a massive unit of a man, or a fully teched out mech-suit guy, or a samurai. For me it's not about caring a POC is in a movie. I just prefer consistent character design with major redesigns being limited and for a reason. That applies well beyond race, but because race is a pretty dominant physical appearance trait it does mean it's a pretty notable character redesign when done. Also frankly, do race swaps do any good? I mean I've heard more black people say "give me new black characters instead of turning white characters black" than I've heard black people actually support black redesigns independent of any backlash the redesign got. Like is it not fair to say black people generally appreciated getting Princess Tiana from Disney more than getting a black version of Princess Ariel? It feels like it's doing less legwork than actually creating new characters, and it's mostly just antagonizing people, and it's not actually winning that much brownie points from the intended audiences. Like I'm a gay guy, I'd rather get a uniquely gay character in Harry Potter than be told "actually Dumbledore is gay". I'd rather see a character be original and gay than have a new Star Wars movie come out and suddenly go "oh yeah Anakin was actually bi this whole time and he had a boyfriend in between TPM and AoTC". Genuinely I feel like it would actually be better for EVERYONE if we actually did push against race swaps, I want Disney to feel the need to actually CREATE diversity into their movies instead of ALTER diversity into their movies. We get so caught up reactively defending this stuff because the right want to be a bunch of racist assholes about everything that we inadvertently end up defending major corporations into being comfortable cutting corners.

[@DrakeBarrow]

You get it. It's so damned frustrating too.

[@inquisitive.lurker]

Only thing I'll say is most of these are based on European folklore. There are plenty of stories that can be adapted from lesser known novels. You can make up a story too.

[@USS_Sentinel]

See, that's risky and the Wall Street class does not like that and that's who owns Disney.

[@JB-sc1tg]

Her dad is white and her mom is half white. She's white. What's the problem here?

[@CCJJ160Channels]

“I can accept dragons but race swapping in this cartoon to live action just isn’t realistic.” 🙄

[@daraghokane4236]

Everybody knows Real Dragons live in hot climates not frozen that part threw me off about the movie

[@MrSoloTron]

The colors of the dragons matter but not the people

[@8bitdiedie]

Braindead take, There’s difference types of suspension of disbelief. Just because a fantasy series has dragons in it doesn’t mean we expect aliens or television sets to show up, nor for Nordic characters to look unexplainably non-Nordic.

[@JEvans-wy9ln]

@@8bitdiedieYou lost the moment you compared darker skin tones to aliens

[@CCJJ160Channels]

@ brain dead response. You’re already accepting that the basic concept is one based in fantasy yet demand history accuracy in the rest of the story? It’s clearly a work of fiction, not a documentary.

[@E3AloeLi]

Everyone got triggered by Angerboda in GoW Ragnorak now this, when will people understand that not every Viking was Scandinavian and most every Scandinavian was a Viking

[@G.H.Dybeck]

I don’t usually give a shit about race-swapping (like the recent Wicked one), but as a scandinavian I do think the Astrid one is at least a little bit silly. If a fantasy story was set in ancient China or India (like Mulan), would it be totally fine to have black and white characters replacing originals just cause there’s magic and shit in it?

[@teslashark]

Astrid used to be Japanese. As in, she is called Camikazi instead.

[@themoralagent]

the actress is only 1/4 black and has scandanvian ancestry. she can be white passing in many contexts, but the grifter that posted this tiktok is bad faith and intentionally showed one of the few photos where she had a black hairstyle. her skin is literally whiter than astrids. this is a ridiculous claim because httyd isn’t even scandanavian. they used it as an inspiration but to say they are a realistic depiction of viking culture is laughable at best and completely and utterly wrong at worst. like many other examples of world building, it draws from multiple cultures to create a background for the magic system being presented. its like getting upset at a got recast when it isn’t a consistent representation of a specific culture either. or atla. now if httyd was more like moana in its world building i could understand. it was intentionally created to be a representation of polynesian cultures. but it isn’t like moana. its not made to be accurate. its not trying to be a 1:1. it isn’t historical, its a parallel fantasy world that only resembles what we call vikings.

[@themoralagent]

and yea, race swapping shouldn’t matter regardless. make mulan black. make princess tiana white. none of this shit matters. capitalism is gonna capitalism. we should be fighting for diverse and new art not soulless cash grabs that help the corpo execs stay rich without having to take any risk. exact reason why i hate franchises. we dont need live actions, or sequels or remakes. unless they are transformative, unless they only use the source material as a guide and tell their own story with it, idc. like ten things i hate about you being a modernized taming of the shrew. not the best movie but at least they dud something unique. nowadays remakes are guaranteed money, and performative executives know race swaps are a good conversation starter and get people talking about the movie. this isn’t about culture. corporatists dont care about culture. they care about money. money governs all

[@G.H.Dybeck]

@@themoralagent Honestly, agree with most of that. There are way too many remakes and pointless franchise additions these days, made not because someone had an idea of a good story to tell, but because money. Broad trends within media do tend to provoke counter-reactions down the line, and I do think the pendulum is gonna swing back eventually, but it’s hard to tell if this weariness for franchises actually exists (or will exist) within the general populace or just us snobs. Diversity is important and even though I think it’s better to create new cool diverse characters than changing old ones, the race-swapping thing is a storm in a teacup compared to the general capitalism problems infecting the entertainment industry

[@Chinesetakeout382]

I still remember when this happened with god of war ragnorok, when they made Angroboda black, and we had to make the argument that “the giants being as physically diverse as we are isn’t that much of a stretch” and “mythological accuracy doesn’t matter when we know kratos is there”.

[@petsmart1000]

My parents lost their minds when Brandy played Cinderella many years back and yet again with the new Ariel movie. Ugh they’re so tired of all the ‘progressiveness’ (their word) what bothers me is that I’m adopted and a POC, oh and they’re white. I hoped they would relax in their older age but well, here we still are. FML 😒🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ I mean, they’re JUST movie characters FFS, people need to relax!! 🙄🙄

[@CJ-nd9gg]

Well they’ll die well before you anyway and you can go live your best life ^^

[@themoops4006]

race-swapping is just inherently lazy and making new characters is almost always better

[@Argumemnon]

It literally doesn't matter, unless the race of the character is somehow important to the narrative.

[@alphana7055]

​​@@ArgumemnonIt matters 1000% as it counters the scandinavian asthetic and makes it more souless. In general having diversity without a aesthetic justification is a typical aspect of modern slop

[@themoops4006]

@@Argumemnon "it doesn't matter unless it matters" this is not particularly useful commentary

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

Counterpoint: Hamilton is interesting.

[@themoops4006]

@@hanifarroisimukhlis5989 that's a good example. race is absolutely part of the narrative and it re-contextualizes the story being told as opposed to just having a character be a different race without any real impact or change to the story, its transformative.

[@danedaner1357]

I'm kinda sick and tired that the discord gravitates towards stuff like this rather than if it's good or not.

[@JimJ123]

When you order Brett Cooper on Temu

[@captainsewerrat]

So if it's okay. Why don't we see any black characters being portrayed by white actors/actresses?

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

Honestly I think it’s because there aren’t a lot of characters to race swap, and the ones that exist are pretty heavily defined by being black in a way white characters often aren’t. Like Hiccup would be the same character if he was black, but Miles Morales or Black Panther would be very different stories if those were white characters. White characters get to be outside of race, while black characters have to be defined by it because if a black character exists suddenly every has to be weird and ask why they’re black.

[@daraghokane4236]

Jesus was not white he is in all media

[@daraghokane4236]

Egyptions and biblical Jews would be arab not in most media

[@BRAINSPLATTER16]

Did you watch the video?

[@alphana7055]

White Black Panther when?😂

[@noah_body_cares]

16:44 did she forget HTTYD is about MEDIEVAL DRAGONS?💀

[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

There are more than a billion people in India, they have the second largest movie industries of the world but Gandhi had to be played by a British actor.

[@rockmycd1319]

I refuse to believe that there exists a white person who looks anything like Gandhi even with brownface.

[@alphana7055]

Gandhi thought he was white and was angry that they didn't accept high caste indians as aryan

[@GeteMachine]

Kind of bad optics knowing that the British being India's literal trade-oppressor at the time.

[@averagedemocrat9546]

India is notorious for skin bleaching. They literally worship europeans there. Makes sense they'd have a brit play the role. Anytime you see people race swapping historical figures, it's coming from a bad place.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

Children's book about dragons is history. West has fallen

[@themadmanescaped1]

I don't see a difference between making black characters white and making white characters black. IMO both actions are equally bad. That being said... complaining about the green witch is just a self report 😂 Also "real Astrid" LOL

[@teslashark]

She's called Camikazi in the book! She's Japanese!

[@chuzzbot]

This whole discussion is why I've had the USA on mute for the last month. Might have to make it more permanent.

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

Same thing with the casting of Halle Bailey as Ariel, which was perfection in my humble opinon!

[@teslashark]

She could have given the role to a younger actress, though.

[@GoogleAccount-wy1ub]

I dare them to race-swap black characters into white characters, let's see how that plays out.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Like the Coca-Cola-ad Santa Claus? St. Niccolo was a bit darker...

[@Steleaf]

"You werent hearing this kind of discourse when there werent dipshits trying to monetize the outrage" followed by "Here's her rumble link" has to be an incredible prewatch moment lmao

[@len3rd376]

Meh, I’m with the racists on this one. It’s usually just studio heads cynical swapping race in an attempt to reach a wider audience while muddying the storytelling.

[@rorschachwatchmen4742]

Let me know when the racist agree with you on progressive takes

[@lordeisschrank]

I wonder if the same people would have "raised concerns" in the 1990s when the US was literally whitewashing every single anime that came out... renaming characters, cutting any scenes that showed kanji or any "foreign" elements... altering stories, motivations, the characters themselves..

[@Kws970]

Disney should had casted a albino actress to play snow white.

[@Bonaboo]

The best part of this is like… the director of the live action remake is the same guy who directed the animated one. He is making the movie HIS way with the actors HE wants. Were people just as mad when they changed Camicazi, Hiccup’s friend in the book, into Astrid, Hiccup’s love interest in the movie? Did they get just as mad about the actor they cast to play Hiccup, who looks nothing like him other than the hair colour, and is just a bland tiktok pretty boy who doesn’t capture Hiccup’s vibe at all? Funny, it’s just the slight palette-swap on Astrid and the extra weight on Ruffnut that they are mad about. I wonder why.

[@GandalfsBeard1]

Great analysis, as usual, but Vaush apparently doesn't know that Snow White has been reinvented multiple times, even before the Grimm Bros got their hands on it. ... In some old versions of the fairy tale, Snow White was named that because she was born during a snowstorm. ... Mind you, Disney is just cynically using that as a justification, but whatever. Lol!

[@OraclesDogma]

How can someone make claims to historical accuracy...in a movie that has and is almost entirely about dragons?

[@crlake]

They’re mad over a green witch. At least she honest about being a racist.

[@olb3587]

Everybody talking about how the live-action remake differs from the movie, rather than how the movie butchered the book series 😢

[@the_traveling_texan]

The same people who get triggered when a white cartoon character is swapped for an African American actor wouldn’t say sh** if it was the other way around

[@pierregibson6699]

They never do

[@creaturecore13]

To be fair the left also goes crazy when that happens.

[@rockmycd1319]

Has it even ever happened?

[@NottherealLucifer]

​@@rockmycd1319Like twice, and everyone in these comments are the people who said they swapped the races just because the creators of the project are racist. Literally the argument is "If a white character becomes nonwhite, that's fine, but if a nonwhite character is changed to white, that's racist." It's literally the "you can't be racist towards white people" argument, unironically, but with extra steps.

[@W0mbRaider]

Can you provide one example from the last 100 years or so (post-minstrel shows) of a black character being played by a white actor?

[@blacksheepscrook8850]

Well fun fact, in frozen 2 it is confirmed that elsa and anna are biracial Sami and scandanavian. So they could get some sami actors to be really authentic.

[@-7070]

Honestly I'm a market socialist and I'm with a conservatives on this one I do find the pop culture push to be disingenuous. Because I'm pretty sure if I made a movie about an African tribe and I made all of the actors white, people on the left would be feeling a lot differently about that For example I love the movie Blade and it is a black character and I would not want them to do a remake with a white character. The thing is is when someone writes a story with a particular set of information people build the world around that information and when you try to alter it it doesn't feel natural. It goes both ways ways. I know there are some racists who just don't like it because it's black or whatever and on the left we are kind of used to the right doing that but with movies and show the race swapping stuff does get kind of annoying when it doesn't fit the original character.

[@themadmanescaped1]

I agree with the idea that we should have original characters. I feel as though "race-swapping" is just a repeat of the thing we all agree is bad (whitewashing).

[@literalgarbage8014]

It depends on the context, ethnicityswapping can be odd in a scenario of which the movie in question, specifically attempts to highlight a certain culture or movement accurately. I do, however, not care for a fantasy book, whereas skin tones are of little significance

[@absolutechadd8895]

Basically everyone agrees it's all disingenuous and lazy.

[@teslashark]

Astrid is Japanese in the books.

[@rorschachwatchmen4742]

Bro let me know when a conservative agrees with you progressive takes on movies they like

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

They did race swap the dragon from the book! In the book, Toothless is GREEN. They changed the dragon from a sassy, toothless, juvenile Seadragonus Giganticus Maximus to a boring, bestial, tooth bearing Night Fury in the movie.

[@yan_dj]

Not to suddenly be 🤯ANTI WOKE🤯 but this reminded me of my years old Super Mario argument that NOBODY WAS ABLE TO ANSWER about this topic It must've been with the black Little Mermaid, it was something like: *I* don't care about this movie and I'm happy more little girls will have a Disney princess that looks like them, and I *do* assume that the people making a whole scene about it *are* racist.... But liiiiiike, if Hollywood made a new Super Mario Bros live action movie like the 80s one and Mario was straight up played a black guy, it would be the funniest thing ever but I'd STRONGLY DISAGREE with the decision. I'd suddenly be the one saying "why did they make Mario black what were they thinking" and I'd be right to do so.

[@mrhopadopalus]

But Luigi was played by a Hispanic (Colombian) man, so it's already inconsistent anyway. Is it him not being white that you disagree with or is it him being black that you disagree with?

[@quixomega]

Dwayne the Rock Johnson was in Moana. He was the voice of Maui, a character I imagine he'll be playing in the pointless remake.

[@robbieshand6139]

I like how Vaush starts off by sneering and laughing at conservatives for their reactions to race-swapped characters, but when Snow White comes up he's all like "yeah, ok that one is hard to defend".

[@gabormuller9850]

5:50 the girl complaining has the same skin tone as the girl she is complaining about

[@TERFStomper]

I love the HtTyD series. While I desperately want to see more PoC in films in general, when making a live action of an animated movie, it's best for the actors to resemble the original characters.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

Yes. A lot of the time, it doesn't bother me. Sometimes, though... it's so obviously forced that it doesn't work. Snow White is the most obvious case since they went against the one trait she is known for (and literally named after). And the swapping is only ever one way. Marvel will make a couple Scandinavian deities African, but look at the Wakanda army and you won't see a random Asian guy in there. I'm not going to act outraged, but I am going to roll my eyes.

[@Henrik_Holst]

well to be honest for one Marvel is not depicting Scandinavian deities, they are just copying the name (and some attributes) of those deities (in a way that is way more problematic than changing their skin color) and making them into a interstellar race instead. Being an entire population of a planet it would make sense that they are of different skin tones. Meanwhile Wakanda is a a highly nationalistic African secluded nation so ofc they will be all black (in itself that is a valid criticism of the nation itself, that it is highly racist).

[@BigSlimyBlob]

@@Henrik_HolstInteresting. I thought Asgard in the MCU was basically just a big city, but I'm definitely no expert.

[@Henrik_Holst]

@@BigSlimyBlob as is common in comics things are not constant so Asgard is sometimes an entire planet, an entire realm or just a city.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

@@Henrik_HolstOh yes, comics are a mess. You can't write stories every week for decades and not end up with piles and piles of inconsistent lore. I was thinking specifically of the MCU, where these changes occur. I seem to remember seeing a film at a friend's place where Surtr ends up destroying Asgard, and it just looks like a big city on an island. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

[@Henrik_Holst]

@@BigSlimyBlob in the MCU they only show small glimpses of it so in some shots it appears to be a country and in others it appears to be akin to NYC. In the Marvel database Asgard is said to have roughly the same land mass as the United States.

[@TheUnmitigatedDawn]

Yes, they definitely raceswapped the Wicked Witch of the West who was totally white and DEFINITELY not green in the original Wait, she's also green in Wicked? Uh...durr raceswap durr bad

[@eedeneel]

Despite only making up 13% of the population, black people are cast as over 50% of the live action Disney princesses.

[@morgainenyc]

Despite 50% of white people being evil and vile, they never seem to be held accountable for their crimes.

[@rorschachwatchmen4742]

And 80% of the sports world