People miss the Old Points System...

[@CJSanta]

Someone needs to tell Kevin Drew that his system ain't it! 👀

[@DarkRa]

Well his little brother was getting bullied so he brother get priority over us scrub

[@mcghost14YT]

Yep ​@@DarkRa

[@w10leti]

can we as a community come together and tell them to revert to the old point system?

[@DarkRa]

@@w10leti When the Community becomes more important then his brother then we can win lol

[@juancamanei486]

@@DarkRa fr lmfaooo, genuinely think he will never listen because he gets triggered about this story and will never change it

[@MetalVivider]

All of this just because the director didn't like the old system 😂😂 devs like to forget that they aren't making a product for them, they're making a product for their customers. It's terrible business practice to put your own influences and interests in your products without first knowing what your clients want and that seems to be the norm anymore. These gaming companies are digging their own graves and its going to be their own fault if they go under

[@mobilenerd8854]

hell yes it'll be like round 30 and I'll barely have like 20k after upgrades

[@raydare2002]

by round 30, i already have pap'd 3 tier with all perks. What do you need more points for other than trying to get wonder weapons from mystery boxes?

[@Spaidyy1]

@@raydare2002 they all complain about something thats not a problem, points are literally the only thing that is not a problem the problem is how you obtain them

[@life09m]

@@raydare2002cuz they cry that when they go down they can’t afford all there stuff back 😂

[@j0eyhz620]

@@life09mthat’s what makes it fun too going down should have a penalty!!! And struggling to recover is part of the gameplay loop

[@christ_official5258]

@@Spaidyy1 they complain cause it wasnt broken in the first place and they changed it to an objectively worse system. same thing with the bo4 perk system

[@Dukenukem323]

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" but Treyarch got other plans. Old Point system is literally a staple in Cod Zombies and it's funny there are still people who are defending the new point system, it's trash💀🤦🏻‍♂️

[@justinnabor5231]

Lex said it, bo4 started the downfall of zombies and once warzone took over it got even worse from there.

[@kaiiyyu9232]

It’s all the people who have never touched a black ops game before black ops 4

[@justinnabor5231]

@@kaiiyyu9232 pretty much, that’s why bo3 zombies is considered the goat of zombies not just from keeping everything the same from previous zombies but going above and beyond with it and improved overall gameplay.

[@kaiiyyu9232]

@ yea and these newcomers will come in and say some bs like “blinded by nostalgia” and it’s like no it was just better in every single way

[@Dukenukem323]

@@justinnabor5231 💯

[@ZenctionG]

Even thought I don’t think it’s coming because it been in the files of many other cods, I hope if they do add this “classic” mode, then the old point system would be apart of it

[@AaronLBond]

Exactly, have a classic mode with classic point system, no loadouts, no weapon rarities and starting with a pistol

[@toxic_studio8914]

I don’t think it would work cause they’ll probably keep the amount of zombies as regular bo6 and you’ll die so fast

[@smoothduck5578]

@@AaronLBondi don’t mind weapon rarities. they do need to get rid of loadouts thi

[@pickletullio]

They give a new melee perk, new dedicated melee weapons, cool melee skins and animations, then reduce the amount of points you get per melee kill and make them weak at any "high" round. I really don't understand their decisions...

[@Free_Rayne]

The knife literally one shots manglers at any round when fully upgraded my guy, the baseball bat 2 shots them

[@LucinaMeow]

Melees are really op on his rounds? The drill and normal knife are super effective on manglers at really high rounds.

[@jake_0001]

@@Free_Raynethe knife in fact does not one shot manglers.

[@smithnyou2352]

@@jake_0001 It absolutely does, if you hit the cannon it one shots

[@jake_0001]

@ Dawg I’ve literally just tried this, it takes multiple knifes to kill a mangler. Triple packed, gold knife.

[@alphigetti]

If they bring in a classic mode for Bo6 zombies, I'm going to say it now, but an overwhelming majority of the zombies community will only play that if they're able to still do the EE and play normally on OG rules.

[@AaronScotz]

You say that as if most zombies players are OGs. They're not. majority is actually newer players.

[@toxic_studio8914]

It won’t work in bo6 because of how many zombies spawn you would die so fast

[@AaronScotz]

@@toxic_studio8914 Exactly. Bo6 was not balanced around classic zombies. It follows Cold War's theme where it's a fast paced mode with an optional extraction mechanic.

[@travm5540]

@@AaronScotzI would consider it a fucked up troglodyte cousin to Warzone. It’s not even zombies at this point it’s just another DMZ type mode.

[@AaronScotz]

@@travm5540 bo6 is fine. Anyone who hates it should hate Cold War then

[@CCrohny]

The new point system benefits players who only just want to get to round 30 and dip. The old point system benefits all play styles.

[@BullFrogFace]

Not really. Old point system just limited what guns you could use. Everything except wonder weapons, one or 2 Lmgs and high rate of fire ars and smgs are completely worthless

[@Dapulgogkush]

@@BullFrogFaceidk how these people think the old point system is better, if you didn’t run lmgs your weren’t getting a lot of points let alone kills

[@zm5470]

@@Dapulgogkushyeah you can make still make point tf are you on about. Shotguns are the only ones that didn’t really give points but were high in damage so that was fine. Smg were the best for points not lmg. You don’t even know

[@coreyspies6215]

​@@Dapulgogkushnow smgs are useless bc their low damage and high rate of fire. Just eats ammo

[@grannde_]

@@BullFrogFaceoh no the new games literally force you to only use one weapon because you won’t have enough points till late rounds to be able to invest in other guns, old points system was better because you can use weaker weapons and still have a benefit. What’s the point of using weak guns in the new games if you can’t get points effectively when it can’t kill.😂

[@NachoCheese2]

I just miss seeing the points on the left side just go wild and see someone go from like 0 to 1000 with the PDW in seconds and it helped to see who had zombies left (if no one else had points going up rapidly) to either go kill them to end round faster or Siphon some extra points needed (just chump change like 150-250) for something small, Made the game feel more alive Showing other player interaction/s

[@matsko6527]

The whole "wrong way of getting points" doesn't make much sense to me as it's more so the case with the new system, you NEED to headshot zombies and if you don't you can never recover in the later rounds by just spamming bodyshots with a point gun.

[@cuss2.027]

Worst part is if you full die past round 30 you’re screwed, 25K points which will single pack your gun, but a single packed gun past round 30 does no damage, making it near impossible to actually kill anything, making it so you can’t get any upgrades. When you full died in BO3 it was a little difficult to get back into the game, but the spawn die loop in BO6 is nearly inescapable once you pass a certain round.

[@BrazaG]

all u can do Is rely on gobble gums, good thing they got rid of liquid divinium and monty's factory and u can just buy legendary gobble gums in the store... oh wait 😂

[@dylanmartinez5084]

Not to mention, if you die out with more than 25k, they will take away points, so you spawn with 25k, not the amount you actually had

[@Cloggerr]

Are we playing the same game? My guns kill zombies past round 30 just fine

[@BrazaG]

@@Cloggerr 25k aint enough for u to make it past round 30+ because u gotta pack a punch ur gun at least lvl 2, thats 10k left QR, Jug or PHD and u got 5k left, thats only 2 stacks of ammo, u aint making it past that round without getting lucky with a max ammo or if u had rhe wonder weapon

[@Cloggerr]

@ I always have a gold rarity triple pack gun by round 25 at the latest. That’s also including the most important perks if not all of them depending on my drop luck. And ammo is also never an issue. Manglers spawn often enough to keep my topped up for the most part

[@pastorsleep]

to fix loadouts they couldve just let u customize all ur guns like bo3 and only let u make a loadout with any pistol

[@josephespinoza9636]

I think a point system where different weapon classes function differently would be good. For example classes like AR and SMG would have a classic system where as classes like snipers and marksmen rifles would have a point increase for getting a crit kill or something like that. I think making all guns viable for point building in unique ways would make the game fun and all guns and play styles viable. And it would incentivize people to use their weapon classes in their optimal state.

[@jrocksburr2724]

I think the bigger problem is the guns not being effective past round 35, having to rely on wonder weapons at such a low round is really annoying and just leads to people exfiling to finish another camo. Also the xp drop off makes high rounds not worth it.

[@goddotmp3432]

Wait you're telling me that the xp drops off? Or just that the xp stays the same but rounds get longer so therefore less xp/minute? Whats the point of going past 31 then smh.

[@cameronmcisaac1384]

The fact you can theoretically run out of points and ammo because of the way the point system was changed is a problem that should have never existed.

[@mcklachy4668]

The one thing I hate about the new system that Cold War brought in is that it basically renders hitting the box useless unless it’s for a wonder weapon. It takes out the fun of gambling with the box which we all love. You can literally spawn in with any regular gun that’s already in the game and progressively upgrade it with points.

[@RoseSapphic]

You mean bo4. Bo4 changed the point system initially

[@mcklachy4668]

@@RoseSapphic yeah if it was bo4 then that. I barely played bo4 zombies though so I can’t remember anything about it.

[@PrestigeRich]

Yeah I never hit the box now its so dumb to do it

[@DrZaiusDrZaius-xp5fw]

It's absolutely worthwhile to hit the box bro, what are you talking about lmfao

[@mcklachy4668]

@@DrZaiusDrZaius-xp5fw I’m talking about bullet weapons from the box, in bo3 spinning the box was the only way to get some guns but now in bo6 you can just spawn in any gun in the game. Yeah sure you can get an orange rarity on the gun but I can already get that with salvage so there’s nothing unique or special about getting it from the box. The only reason I go to the box is if I want the ray gun or the wonder weapon of a certain map.

[@HASHEN_F0X]

kevin drew needs to take a backseat role; he isn't zombies material, maybe if we could get someone like the people who worked on IW zombies and were willing to take a full creative leap in one direction. the current direction seems like it's just tacking on more and more gimmicky additions like gobblegums to try and patch holes that cannot be patched; there are fundamental flaws with the systems in place and these bozos don't understand just how long it took to get to the perfection bo3 achieved with balancing

[@mohammadmirza84]

Yeah kevin drew is very out of touch

[@ItsNifer]

as much as I admire Kevin for his work throughout Treyarch.. I agree with this. I completely quit zombies when Blundell left because I didn't like the direction Kevin was taking the gamemode. It's not for me at all anymore and it sucks as a zombies fanboy. It's not that "im unwilling to accept change" - its more-so that I don't like the direction of change that they're going in.

[@kfc2180]

I had a game with randoms where I was last alive on round 47 and because I dont get 10 points each bullet I had no ammo and no points and had to run the epic boss and 5 manglers around the map praying I could melee one to death to get points to buy Ammo, and after 20 minutes got grabbed by the boss on terminus and killed, so stupid its a fine system it just needs to have melee > headshots for points and points for damage and Id be cool but it makes you get screwed, and a lot of my games with randoms end with me having 40 to 80 revives cos once they die out once they become so weak with no triple pap guns and stuff that they struggle to do anything but run away. I feel bad for the more casual zombies players as they seem trapped once they get to the 30s, and its no fun to use Mangler streaks on loop for 10s of hours to go high round.

[@luisore7281]

Same, I can solo to round 50 but I played w randoms and went down on 35 and there was no hope for me coming back, I was stuck buying ammo again and again for a double pap gun doing no damage, I couldn’t imagine someone new to zombies enjoying that

[@skive_1888]

Skill issue

[@ChrisGaminggYTO]

​@@luisore7281i agree with you there

[@normanbestboi9117]

Totally helpful and not a passive aggressive way to insult strangers. @@skive_1888

[@jokered1133]

I Originally posted this on CJ Santa’s video The SMG points represent the classic Black Ops 3 points system (10, 5, or 1 points per hit with average SMG damage). The modern points represent the Black Ops 6 system (90 points per kill). Here’s the breakdown for rounds 10 to 40: 1. Classic SMG (10 points per hit, SMG vs. PaP): • SMG: 1,388,800 • PaP: 694,400 • Modern Comparison (1,115,280): • Modern earns 273,520 fewer points than classic SMG. • Modern earns 420,880 more points than classic PaP. 2. Classic SMG (5 points per hit, SMG vs. PaP): • SMG: 868,000 • PaP: 520,800 • Modern Comparison (1,115,280): • Modern earns 247,280 more points than classic SMG. • Modern earns 594,480 more points than classic PaP. 3. Classic SMG (1 point per hit, SMG vs. PaP): • SMG: 451,360 • PaP: 381,920 • Modern Comparison (1,115,280): • Modern earns 663,920 more points than classic SMG. • Modern earns 733,360 more points than classic PaP. Basically the old points system meant you could on average make a bit more points, this will still be great especially with how much points you need to Pack a gun, get all perks that increase in points , farming points was strat that took more time but gave you points so you traded time for points and it’s generally riskier to run around with a weak gun, the OG points system did not need to change, especially with how much you need to spend in the modern system even for ammo you would be screwed if your weapon can’t kill. it only gets ridiculous once you reach post round 30 and at that point it shouldn’t matter, you survived the rounds, you deserve the riches.

[@dylangrainger4443]

I always felt that in the older games the more points came with more risk if you have a point gun in ur hand and you get caught out and slip up youre most likely dead compared to a shotgun or a wonder weapon which can usually just blast whatever is in front of you away and keep you safe, its hard to die with a thundergun in your hand but you need to switch to make sure you can actually get points which still left you somewhat vulnerable at later rounds (gums in b03 kinda broke this but the point still stands)

[@goddotmp3432]

To add to that, if you didn't have a wall weapon, you didnt get ammo period unless the game dropped you a max ammo, but that was ok because you could just go grab a random shitbox gun (or a wall weapon if you felt like being lazy) on your 2nd slot (or 3rd, rip mule kick) and make do with it until you could 2x pap for an "ammo mod(?)" that would allow you to actually clear a wave in a decent amount of time. The ammo mods in this game are nearly dead useless imho and that brings the issue to another level.

[@wolfzey1846]

A lot of people forgot that the point system we hate didn't start at Black Ops 4. It started at advance warfare with the hard-core mode Descent

[@Chrpull]

This is why BO3 worked SO WELL. AAT's allowed our point weapons to be usable up to high rounds, but their chance to proc allowed for balance so that high rounds weren't baby mode, especially with zombie difficulty progression in that game. Not only this, but the point system was perfect too. As is customary, wonder weapon kills give a reward of only 50 points. This removes the incentive to use wonder weapons exclusively as you lose a TON of points on it.

[@bloodyx24]

Something that i dont see anyone talk about is the new point could "work". But one thing i can't understand is why everything is the same price as it was in the old point system. Like 5k for a pap weapon or a 2,500 door isn't that bad when you were earning more points, but now we're earning significantly much less points and still paying the same price.

[@goddotmp3432]

The first doors on the new game are like 1.75k which is wild to me considering the drop in point gaining capability.

[@alamthevro9489]

What I wanna see in classic mode in the coming future. That it’ll be EXACTLY the way it’s named, classic. Old perks, perk limits, points system, pack a punch system

[@jumbojimbo706]

Pros: - you can use wonderweapons to build points Cons: - you are literally soft locked if you die in co op

[@grannde_]

Another con - no point in using weak weapons at all😂

[@travm5540]

A MASSIVE con, you have to choose between ammo or triple pap on round 30 because you got a bad start and you are now cucked because points don’t exist anymore

[@TravisBoyer-dr6ih]

PREACH BROTHER! OPINION ACCEPTED ALL THE WAY FROM IRELAND

[@KaiyuhJimmie]

It’s like the points system turned the game into diablo type of grinding to set up, the perk system and points system just need another mode to reset those two aspects and im sure a lot of last gen zombies players will play again. And if they come through with the classic mode, with 2 hit downs and the elimination of super sprinters and the hit animations being fixed back to old gen zombies.

[@spark3053]

The old point system gave value to the weaker weapons and made them “point guns”. If you aren’t using the best gun in the game now, you’re putting yourself at such a disadvantage. I think a potential step forward could be a way to "depack" or "downgrade" the rarity of your weapons allowing you to get some or even all of your essence/salvage back so that your able to choose other weapons in a game.

[@grannde_]

Yeah and people are still saying bo6 is better for all weapons, HOW??? These bo6 glazers are delusional

[@travm5540]

@@grannde_I’m a firm believer that BO4 is the worst zombies purely because they started ALL OF THIS shit.

[@grannde_]

@@travm5540 yeah bo4 wasn’t that bad but it started all of this definitely

[@travm5540]

@ bo4 in my opinion has some of the best maps and best themes. Introduced the worst mechanics and the worst changes to zombies. They had so much to build on from 3 and they decided todo a 180 for 0 reason other than chasing trends.

[@grannde_]

@@travm5540 I fully agree man👍

[@godish_tv8623]

The points system is bad because it only makes the most powerful guns useable. If you got a bad gun out the box before you would still use it because it would generate a lot of points on the zombies. I remember the chicom in bo2 was nasty for farming points weak af but so many bullets.

[@Dapulgogkush]

The chicom was barely a point a weapon and was super weak and didn’t have that much ammo, you would run out of ammo before the round end

[@grannde_]

@@DapulgogkushI mean if you get it out of the box you might as well grab it and use its ammo up for points? Every bullet gives points so a weak smg is perfect if you already gambled on the box you might as well pick it up and use it.

[@iceman7157]

12:50 I genuinely cannot comprehend how this is a problem. Like all they're done is added a system to make guns more powerful. Which yes, this WAS a problem in WaW. Idk how you can't tell that the STG-44 isn't a good gun at round 20. My highest round is 68 on Der Riese. My friend had the ray gun and wonderwaffe and I had the ppsh and the mg42. Those were the high round guns even though they aren't the guns with the highest damage minus the wonderwaffe with infinite damage. Also you can look all of this up and I realized all this when I was a kid. So how can y'all be saying this wasn't a problem before.

[@storedalmond943]

Your ability to earn points and upgrade your weapon is locked to the number of kills you can get which is locked to how much damage you can do, which is tied to how much ammo you can get and because damage WILL fall off after a certain point, you will use more ammo, spend more points buying more ammo, and then slowly run out of points as you keep having to buy ammo since you can't manage to earn more points than you'll end up having to spend due to your damage being capped at the max upgrades. You also can't viably switch weapons either because your upgrades don't transfer to the new weapon, meaning you'd have to earn more scrap and points in order to fully upgrade it, which, again, doesn't change the issue that you're having to compensate for the inability of being able to do enough damage to keep getting kills to keep getting points, so switching would just be more expensive and points would be impossible to acquire without meleeing a zombie for 5 minutes. The old point system allowed you to gain points no matter how you damaged a zombie, which means using a weaker gun to get more hits would help you to build points if it wasn't able to dish out damage and even with PAPed guns on the old point system slowly becoming worse at killing as rounds went up, you'd still be earning enough points to buy another gun, upgrade it, and buy ammo for it.

[@zealousdemon279]

i think the issue comes that there’s two different ways to upgrade your gun now not to mention it’s expensive as all hell. like if i already spent 50k total on a gun why would i ever wanna do that again with a new one, MUCH LESS spend more salvage again. the two systems don’t work together and all it does is just make you lock in with whatever you spawned with

[@jamiecarr8143]

4:55 nope, never had that issue tbh

[@ddbear18]

They could honestly easily fix this by adding augments to new perks that change the system if it is too ''op''. You'd have to earn the classic point system and have the perk equipped for it to be in effect. They could do this for Vulture Aid since that drops points. All that and then bringing Double Tap 1 with some augments that make it close to 2. Call it Double Tap 1.5. Easily, easily done and I don't understand why they won't.

[@lvelaughlove5061]

It seems like every aspect of zombies is slowly starting to turn into MP/WZ scoring systems

[@PrimisRulz]

I played with randoms and that exact issue occurred. They dumped points and salvage into upgrading their gun but it wasn’t really killing & they didn’t want to get a new gun because they feel like they wasted all their points and salvage upgrading their gun.

[@Psyckonautic]

Double tap and a point per shot augment to go along with it would be an unbelievable blessing

[@matthewboyd8689]

Low damage starting gun makes you get to much points for pack and perks Would break the rarity and power build up if you didn't massively change it because every zombie hoard is more numerous so therefore you hit more zombies And is also why the same number of zombies per round seems like you get to round 30 much faster because you do, because of this penetration effect and faster spawn rate to allow more zombies

[@jojordann12]

Overall conclusion, classic point system felt like having a specific tool for a task. New point system, “that’s right, it goes in the square hole”

[@eazyez5717]

The point system could even be good. The real issues are ammo mod (they are not too strong) and the insane amount of manglers, which eat up grenade, ammo and life. This thing gave value to perkaholic (everybody tought it was useless, but 28k point can be invested in pack a punching your gun).

[@cuby_9467]

What i see good about the new point system is that you can literally shoot 1 bullet into zombies and still get 90pts when ur team kills them

[@average_gamer1855]

Cold War was different but I never felt that points was an issue. Ya it pigeon holes you into 1-2 guns but it worked for what it was cuz there was plentiful ammo and armor was salvage based. BO6 made it so much harder by essentially removing ammo drops and making armor 14k for level 3. I feel like I run out of ammo for my shotty every round after 15 or so and then have to buy ammo.

[@trashpanda3172]

Letting guns lay around after buying them + with the points per bullet would have been great because we all know after a certain round your only gonna get a certain number of points before ammo runs out if you can just run and pick up a gun from the floor afterwards and continue racking points then it’d be so much more fun and feel like youre surviving and contributing towards something more having an abundance of guns would be nice

[@syfayre3957]

It helps shotguns and snipers and weapons that are strong but it makes the weaker weapons completely useless

[@syfayre3957]

Either way the waw springfield is not gonna be saved by either point system

[@DexGen2002]

​​​@@syfayre3957thats a random thing to say but ok, every cod has that one bad guns and everyones fine with that, idk why u brought up the Springfield, no one complained about how bad guns would give you points WHEN its a bolt action, those things are bad bc zombies hoard If you compared it to the MPL, that things pretty weak but great for point AND ppl actually use it unlike the Springfield, you should have brought that up, would have made your point make more sense

[@syfayre3957]

@@DexGen2002 it was just a harmless joke LMAO

[@Janoy_Cresva]

BO6 zombies was the first zombies I've returned to since BO2 and I was very confused when I was barely getting points with the classic leg shots then knife strat during early rounds

[@iconman8855]

In cold war my loadout weapon was a knife because it's max points, no ammo needed, 1 shot till round 9 (grey) if u used the duel sythes U got a speed boost and when u jump u get a lil extra jump distance

[@bloqq5956]

Yeah I don’t like how when my friends go down in high rounds they’ll never be able to get points to get back and if they die completely it’s actually impossible for them to get any points it’s like if one person dies the rest have to reset the game

[@nezarecdiscipleofthewitnes3823]

i just can't believe how far zombies has strayed from the classic experience with the original 4 maps in WaW

[@IdrisAfonina-u7w]

You’ve mastered how to keep it exciting!

[@kopis8688]

Melee in zombies, is arguably more risky now than ever in black ops 6. Even being within a certain vacinity of a zombie, you,'re going to get hit. And its almost outright a death sentence with the rampage inducer.

[@zp1405]

what i kinda find crazy is they make some guns almost useless thinking thats the problem but makes it worse by making players go to higher damage weapons because of that and the classic point system is the only reason to have low damage weapons

[@DexGen2002]

And they keep nerfing shit to on top of the guns already struggling to be decent past round 20

[@Sapp1re]

And for those that don’t know, early video comment here. Neck shots or high thorax shots would net you 70 points (it’s not a common thing as we all go for headshots or body shots but, at least in black ops 1 neck shots gave you 70 if it wasn’t a proper headshot)

[@ThamTvMaster]

Work ok early round with co-op (still get 90 point if you hit zombie that someone else kill) but completely ass in solo and higher round

[@dono6474]

New system punishes attempting high rounds… which is what zombies is about.

[@Diakoptes__]

crazy how much nuance the old system brought to zombies

[@cross1863]

The thing I don’t understand the most is they can today change the point system to classic point system and it will WORK, but they would never do that.

[@Abohno]

The length of the video is EXACTLY what the old point system was working on

[@jeremylewis5263]

Yeah the drops are pretty spaced out and it seems like max ammos drop rate is pretty low since ammo crates are in the game

[@ooptooplooploop1029]

I hope they add double tap and make an augment where every bullet hit gives you 10 points

[@dvmien420]

The old pointsystem with gun rarity and without loudout would be nice.

[@awesomestevie27]

Things we need in bo6 Aether Blade (have it bring back salvage, armor, ammo drops and not just power ups (Reskin hells retriever from mw3) Golden Armor plates (self plating mech from mw3) Armor Satchel for more plates Double Tap Vultures Aid

[@sr20detYT]

The only benefit of the current system is it promotes scarcity although it’s to a point where it hurts gameplay.

[@kevinprice9559]

Has anyone mentioned traps yet? Once you get to high enough rounds, only some of the wonder weapons are capable of eliminating zombies. So traps become the way to clear rounds. But, unlike the old points system. Hits don't give points, and maintaining that strat is unviable. You don't get enough points from the traps to continue doing it. Forcing you to carry the jet gun or something. Severely reducing play styles.

[@anthonyharris7808]

If they won’t revert the point system then reduce the prices on the upgrades, I stopped playing zombies because I constantly felt like I could afford anything

[@AriSkulls]

It's noticeably apparent in public fills

[@dudelove5551]

The old system should come back for solo. But the point system right now is amazing for co-op 1 bullet in a zombie and you get the elim xp and points no matter who kills it.

[@KimberlyCarter-fe9vh]

Your effort shows!

[@the_RUSTEEE]

“If it ain’t broke, try and fix it anyways, and then make it worse” -treyarch

[@dallasunboxer6716]

I don’t have issues with points honestly either headshots or one hit weapons do the trick, the problem is the force to buy gobblegums to gain a early advantage

[@alamthevro9489]

Wallbuys became obsolete to me because there’s no double tap nor no old points system. There’s no reason why it should be round 40 and I just barely cracked 40k in points, maybe less after getting set up. It’s tedious

[@mcghost14YT]

Reason they changed it Kevin Drew little brother was getting bullied cuz the little brother wasn't doing it right, not killing the zombies the right way, Kevin Drew saw this and decided to change it

[@echowofox]

If you were to combine all of the points you've earned in zombies, what would you buy?

[@LastGenRichtofenn]

Misty

[@mvrs333]

Still can't believe noahj and lex era is over

[@imbadatgames01]

although its not ideal i think they could add something to the armoury where you can sell your current weapon and get a partial refund on points and salvage

[@goalhornfanatic9449]

10 bucks if they add it at all, they make it an augment for a future perk.

[@dracotopia717]

why not deadshot gives more money and melee macci gives more money too, and with the weapon changing once you've bought the green or blue rarity you cant get a weapon below that rarity

[@CARNAGExKILLER]

I’m praying they bring back the old system of points and like bo3 plssssss

[@bamham4359]

5:00 eh i guess it depends. There have been times where i got a double points then an instakill while double points is still active and vice versa

[@ntv4426]

100% right about insta and double points not spawning at the same time anymore

[@Slenderzombie65]

i feel like the new point system is made so you do stick to the weapon you choose at start, but also incentivise you to buy blueprints and grind it so you THINK your getting your moneys worth by grinding the weapon you just bought with real money.

[@dead6673]

Or you can just level up the gun normally like what most people do? 😭you don’t need to buy a blue print

[@Mick4]

Also, everything about the packapunch system could apply to the old games. Nobody uses normal guns past round 35 so what’s his point exactly? That’s why we have wonder weapons. Shooting a zombie in the leg 7 times won’t make me go back to bo2

[@josemuniz_]

As long as yall keep buying these games they’ll never change anything 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@alexandernickaboine4798]

The one thing I always hated about the old points system was what the hell the point of Deadshot was. Why would you want to go for headshots and kill zombies quickly if it wasnt really helpful for points, also shotguns just sucked with the points system. Because headshots do give you the most points I always make sure Deadshots one of my first perks I get like it has a use now.

[@Drakonix115]

i miss the old points system, the old perk prices, the starting weapons, the non-roguelike gameplay

[@Kyoubei]

spawn with the pistol and dont use upgraded perks

[@traviseller8160]

I love the loadout system makes zombies far more fun. Vaulting (CW) and Omni-movement (BO6) makes zombies fun. Granted I do miss the old maps.

[@jojordann12]

4:55 I’ve had more times where the drop spawns on the last 2-3 zombies of the round

[@dazuko8839]

I will say, if you lvl up your melee, it's so good. A couple shots kills a mangler

[@hendrix-0470]

Tbh I never really feel like I’m low on points in fact the old point system I would find myself low on points way more back then

[@logicinfected3397]

all they have to do is just make it so you get more points per kill or lower the pap cost idk how we go from 5000 to 15000 that dont make sense or bring back the old perk costs back

[@zpaxv]

you already know the game is fried when the community votes at 16:17 for the point system doesnt add up correctly

[@DexGen2002]

One of those should be at 3% You are right it doesn't add up lmao

[@aguynamedguabbah]

The title to this video is so hilarious to me because it’s so true and it’s just sad that we are straying so far from it lmaooo 😂😭 hopefully classic mode is real and we can have best of both worlds

[@tylerhomerding]

As long as zombies has this points system and rarity system, zombies will never flourish again.

[@nttreaper4875]

well your wrong cause its flourishing rn but i do think that its stupid

[@CCrohny]

@@nttreaper4875 Its flourishing cos its the new thing. But this type of game not many people will return to like the older cods.

[@J.MT71]

@@CCrohny agreed if the dlcs don’t bang then we’re screwed for another year

[@nttreaper4875]

@CCrohny that's crazy cause I'm pretty sure people still play bo3 and cold war and I'm sure there are still people who go play bo2 still if anything the only thing people are gonna stop playing fully if the multiplayer

[@nttreaper4875]

@CCrohny and it's flourishing because it's good even with all the issues people are still playing it but if you genuinely can't see that I'm not gonna argue with you

[@bendercats9599]

Yeah I agree with CJSanta completely here. The new point system is abysmal and needs to be reverted back to the BO1-BO3 point system.

[@FoezzelKING]

Couldn’t agree more - I really feel robbed with points

[@charlybessette9818]

I think melee kills give less points because of melee machiato, melee weapons are still viable in late 30s early 40s

[@GonkedShorts]

I like black ops 6 but it really doesn’t starch the same itch that the old games do.

[@chron-ck5ig]

only the points system personally wouldn't be enough for me. having all bullet guns penetrate zombies should be added back as well if they do change the point system whether in the whole game or the classic mode or whatever.

[@Lostdata]

Treyarch just needs to hire zombies youtubers to fix the game.

[@kawallygaming7372]

It would honestly make BO6 better if it had the old point system

[@Vamp0115]

I'm curious about Classic mode. Do a video pondering that maybe? Christmas season, lets be hopeful.

[@ijustbevibin0425]

At least we have gobblegums back unlike in Cold War there’s still ways to get points it’s just different but still I like the old system better too

[@silkyliks3219]

I wished they made the strider pistol more like the boomhilda when packed. Same as the sally and fourth