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Per-Instance Foliage Interaction using Custom Physics in UE

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Ghislain Girardot

Ghislain Girardot

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@shannenmr
@shannenmr Жыл бұрын
Iterating through all ISMs would be crazy bad performance, should look at using the Spatial Hash Grid implementation "THierarchicalHashGrid2D" or probably better yet the Spare Octree implementation "FSparseDynamicOctree3" / "TOctree".
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
Yup indeed, it isn t scalable as-is and I kinda expected to see some kind of spatial hashing embedded in the ISMC class tbh but i guess not : ) but then you may not have more than a few thousands tall grass instances in your world, at which point a bruteforce approach may perform fine enough. It won t scale for an open world that s for sure 😅
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing out where to look next btw ! I wasn t aware UE had templates for different types of spatial hashing
@shannenmr
@shannenmr Жыл бұрын
@@ghislaingirardot I believe THierarchicalHashGrid2D is used in MASS plugin for Boid/Avoidance where as the Replication Graph plugin has its own coded spatial tree implementation you could replicate in BP if you wanted. That plus having your loops and array(s) in C++ so you can do reserve and emplace etc would make this more then performant enough I would think ?
@cryzenx.
@cryzenx. Жыл бұрын
woooooo this is epic ! and it also looks amazing good job!
@VonchkynProduction
@VonchkynProduction Жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you for such a detailed tutorial. Can't wait to experiment with this:)
@shaunramkelawon
@shaunramkelawon Жыл бұрын
exactly what I was trying to figure out..just the other day :) awesome explanation!!
@DannyArtNL
@DannyArtNL Жыл бұрын
Seriously amazing!
@CornRecords972
@CornRecords972 Жыл бұрын
I might see at converting this system to c++.
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
It should perform quite well! Lemme know how it goes :)
@RastoDM
@RastoDM Жыл бұрын
Love it!
@CP-Mohammed
@CP-Mohammed 10 ай бұрын
what if I didn't use an object manager and Implemented its code in the Instance component it self? what difference will be then?
@DarkexiaTabalouga
@DarkexiaTabalouga Жыл бұрын
Excellente vidéo comme d'habitude. Le rendu se prête super bien a du foliage sous l'eau je trouve.
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
Merci! Je ferai une vidéo pour recréer les Kelp Forest de Abzu un jour ou l'autre :)
@chaosordeal294
@chaosordeal294 Жыл бұрын
If you have an even simpler, cruder blueprint system, I would LOVE to see it.
@loremipsum3147
@loremipsum3147 Жыл бұрын
Wow! neat stuff. I was also doing research on Alan Wake 2's implementation. May I ask, how do you know they also do simulation and something like this in GPU? I mean, they might be using something very similar to pivot painting and just show each pivot as bone (ppv2 also can store directions- basis vectors). Did you observe springy effect in it? Can you please give some insights of it?
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
Well, they said it's a GPU implementation in their blog post so... :p Also, pivots only get you so far. You still need a way to represent each pivot as a point and have that point be linked to other points to form segments and create a hierarchy, on which you apply a global wind simulation & character interaction. Alan Wake 2's foliage is definitely not as straightforward as just using PP2!
@loremipsum3147
@loremipsum3147 Жыл бұрын
@@ghislaingirardot hi, yes they mentioned that in their blog but I wasn't sure about it being actually simulated with nodes. Btw you should check The Surge 2's implementation, it is CPU based node sim. In pp2 you also (need to) store parent index and hence hierarchy, otherwise even a simple wind would cause separation of branches and trunks and make pp2 unusable for any serious work. I'll definitely look forward for your future videos on this topic!
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
@@loremipsum3147 Surge 2's implementation is a strand-based system, just like Alan Wake 2's system really. In the end it's just a bunch of points, likely storing pos+velocity+parentpointIdx, to create a hierarchy. There's not a million ways to create interactive foliage with a strand based solution. Going with a CPU or GPU implementation is just a matter of deciding what kind of pros/cons to go with. I'm very familiar with PP2, I've actually made a video explaining how it works in great details, including its use of a bitshifting algorithm to store integers into 16bits floats. But again PP2 is a whole different thing, is quite rigid, not tied to any simulation at all, and is actually quite costly because of the dependent texture fetches to recreate the hierarchy.
@loremipsum3147
@loremipsum3147 Жыл бұрын
@@ghislaingirardot Oh I understand, thanks a lot for the amazing insight! I'll surely check the other videos of yours.
@Zzz-u6t
@Zzz-u6t 10 ай бұрын
Individual Foliage Logic in UE5 from PrismaticaDev is this method more optimize than that ?
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot 10 ай бұрын
Uses per instance custom data. Similar in principle, bottleneck is the same: blueprints. Although mine is probably heavier in that regard.
@kevinbittner5069
@kevinbittner5069 Жыл бұрын
Very cool concept. Though, I think the world position offset in the shader is more efficent. As you mentioned, offloading something like this onto the GPU would be ideal. Still great job making something new and interesting and pushing the limits.
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
Ty! I'm not sure what you're suggesting. The WPO is already computed on the GPU in shaders. If you're talking about the 'simulated' offset, it can't be computed in shaders as-is. The simulation needs to access both a current state & previous state, and *needs* to overwrite the previous state with the current state (for velocity & spring). Something a shader can't do on its own. You need to do that on the CPU or on the GPU via a way more complex method (and you'd need some GPU-CPU readback system because the CPU still need to push that data to instances if you intend to use per-instance custom data). So, TLDR this is as good as it's gonna get. You can port this to CPP and go bananas, but offseting more computation to the GPU would require another entire approach imho.
@kiradark2322
@kiradark2322 Жыл бұрын
I know this is a tutorial, but why do you have a license? If this information is public? Especially because epic games indicates that all information or video tutorial is free of copyright when it is published freely, I mention this because I have paid the pattern of the tutorials and I have noticed its copyright note, In that case I should not explain the process and this video should be private, the same for all the other tutorials
@ghislaingirardot
@ghislaingirardot Жыл бұрын
License is mostly there to prevent abuse. You're free to replicate this from scratch on your own and be free to do whatever you want with your own implementation. I usually don't show everything I built in my blueprints though, there are most often a few missing pieces here & there in my videos. But if you want to make no effort and use my implementation as-is, then the license applies :shrug:
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