Perendev Magnet Motor - Does IT WORK?!

[@Tech_Planet]

Update - After some analysis I decided to make a shielded mu metal variant which (in theory) could isolate the magnetic fields. I think this is what the original version is based on. I plan on building this variant in the next couple of months.

[@victoryfirst2878]

I am so glad you are working on this idea Tech Planet. I know this has to be possible. The number of people who have gotten patents on these motor have to know a few things we all have missed something. Good luck and keep us in the loop Peace and out v

[@antitrehlebov]

без использования составных магнитов Говарда Джонсона ничего не получится.

[@victoryfirst2878]

NOW you are on the correct path TP

[@victoryfirst2878]

The more I mess with magnets I am more than certain that HJ was correct. Compound magnets are the way to go for sure. @@antitrehlebov

[@heinzpg]

Shielding has been tried many times, it doesn't work. You can only shield with ferromagnetic material, but to move ferromagnetic material in the presence of magnets needs energy. Which is exactly the energy you can gain with shielding. Nature can't be tricked.

[@nathanhale7444]

I had an idea like this in 8th grade but I couldn't find a way to adequately shield the magnets so the only part pushing on the magnets in the wheel would be the part that repels them. You always end up with the magnets pushing both ways and only adding a small amount of thrust. So they always come to a stop after a few minutes.

[@pedritomiralles]

Graphite is the answer. It doesnt isolate but redirects the field.

[@Terrestre1]

Oh that would work fine! But only if monopole magnets would be a reality. They don't.

[@nathanhale7444]

@@Terrestre1 um that's what the shielding is for. To block the pole that is counter to the rotation. I just couldn't find a material that sufficiently blocked the magnetic field.

[@nathanhale7444]

@@pedritomiralles hmmmmm I don't remember if I tried graphite or not. I was in 8th grade at the time and that was a long time ago. Maybe I'll give it a try. Now where did I leave that big graphite block I pulled outta that doohickey?

[@FloridaMeng]

halbach arrangement of magnets will get you close to monopole

[@sendeth]

You could also make the bearing that the wheel rests on to opposing magnets so that would reduce friction.

[@Kids-yp6hj]

My dad made a small one of these, totally different magnet placements, and the ones on the outside rings were on springs inside their sockets. he had smaller magnets between the larger ones on the inside disk that pushed opposite way and they were all spaced further apart. his, he put on the shaft of a dvd burner motor and connected it to a battery charger for AAA's and C's and then to a lamp. he got it to power the lamp while charging the batteries after cranking it by hand for a few to get it going.

[@thejamesasher]

do you have a picture?

[@6TDOW66]

Liar.

[@Kids-yp6hj]

@@thejamesasher I can ask. But it got left behind when we moved. wasn't very big

[@jhanthony2]

That was a pretty mean dad joke IMO.

[@cewotu7721]

Great and honest - as opposed to so many others cheating... Thanks!

[@leonfreytag4452]

honest? it cant work that would be a perpetuum mobile and against physics

[@Kiru_official32]

​@@leonfreytag4452he prob talking bout the battery

[@haddow777]

Ya, I fell into this hole too for a while. I bought a bunch of my own magnets and fiddled with them. I slowly learned that this will never work for a simple reason. A magnetic field isn't energy, it's a force. Seems silly, but it made things make sense in my mind. Energy is a transfer, a change in state. Magnetic fields are a constant force, unchanging. Even an electromagnet. Sure it can change, but not by itself. The current needs to change, which causes the change in the field. That's why, if you hold a magnet still near a wire, nothing will happen in the wire. It is exerting a force on the wire and it likely has an altered state due to the forces of the magnetic field, yet that state will be constant as long as the magnetic field stays constant. A magnetic field is basically a handle. You move the magnet, it changes the state of the handle, which changes the state of whatever it's attached to. Don't move the magnet, nothing changes. On these magnetic wheels, the opposing forces are constant, like you said. Energy, change, will always need to be added to the system to drive the wheel. It's a really fun project to play with and a good way to learn about how magnets work.

[@j.s.boehme8991]

All of the "functioning" Perendev motors that I have seen functioning have three sets of rotor/stators that are slightly offset so that one is in neutral while one is pushing and one is pulling..The angles of the magnets are supposed to allow more push than pull, creating continuous rotation. I'd love to see you do an experiment with this. Thanks and good luck.

[@j.s.boehme8991]

@@JF32304 Thanks. Ooooh. How mysterious and intriguing. 🙂 Have you built one? I downloaded plans quite some time ago. We bought a CNC mill and lathe to try some experiments, but the mill had motherboard issues and never functioned. Then, some family issues arose and we had to sell everything. My attention has been diverted since. It is still a passion of mine, but I don't have workshop space to dedicate to experimentation and production. Cheers.

[@mcombatti]

You can get longer lasting spin with no magnets and a flywheel. Permanent magnetic cannot be used to make a motor by themselves, since a unipolar magnet cannot be created, electrical fields are typically used to create a mono-pole moment (even though an electromagnet is still a dipole.

[@lunarrn]

Have you tried removing every other magnet to see if the interference would be reduced or eliminated?

[@ethanloughlin9052]

Its not about perpetual energy its about being creative and having fun

[@thomasl.4081]

If a motor is to be moved by permanent magnets alone, then it must also be possible to build a motor based on falling stones. The ground and the stone also attract each other. But no one has ever succeeded in doing so. You have to lift the stone up again! In the same way, magnets that have been tightened must be released from each other with great force.

[@ShtNotworking]

You have to use giron in between the magnets to shield the field, and more magnets, especially outside

[@isarlinreyes1842]

Great job. And thanks for your honesty, not like the others KZbinrs fooling people.

[@douglasfell4199]

Try having the outer edge of the inner disk as a cog and the outer disk magnets on springs, As the inner disk spins the cog pushes the outer magnet away and then the spring returns it. My guess however is that the force needed to pushing away will be more than the rotational force induced by the magnets, but its worth a go.

[@scorchedearth1451]

But you need energy to push the magnets away against the force of the springs. So extra energy is needed to compress the springs.

[@kevincrossland1898]

So the main energy losses I can think of in the design are air resistance, bearing resistance and Eddy currents within the magnets, reducing these losses will let it spin for longer, although reducing these losses is also a challenge industries have dumped billions of dollars into optimizing

[@fite-4-ever876]

Doing it in a vacuum chamber would get rid of the eddy and air resistance. But would ad a layer of technical difficulty

[@heinzpg]

If you could eliminate all resisting influences as friction, air resistance and Eddy currents this "motor" would run forever. But if you try to drive some load with it the "motor" would quickly come to a stop. Any wheel will spin forever in the absence of resisting influences, you don't need magnets for that!

[@rjlinnovations1516]

Thank you for your honest video tutorials. I loved magnetism. Watching with full support from Canada 🇨🇦.

[@TheTrumanZoo]

Guess the sound we hear is all resistance? Less sound smoother turn?

[@Tech_Planet]

Yes, I believe so, it's really loud!

[@nathanpender3353]

I thought of this magnetic motor design myself.But I have no shop or tools Thank you for making This as it was just stuck in my head for the last 16 years. Comment made by.🎉 Pendragon, mystery school.

[@manuelpavan1647]

hello, nice project! why don't you try to make the fixed magnets turn in a chained way to the wheel? like a crankshaft system connected to the camshaft, only in your case the wheel through a gear wheel rotates some external magnets in so that they continue to create thrust and move all together

[@barumuela1769]

If you listen you can hear it slowing down. If you watch it the pattern it initially makes changes as it is slowing down to a stop

[@joecachia2]

Wouldn't it run longer if it was horizontal instead of vertical ? you would be reducing a little friction due to gravity pulling down on the bearings

[@glenwaldrop8166]

Gravity will always pull down on it, you're just shifting the load from vertical along a couple of internal bearings to horizontal over more bearings. Higher friction on vertical, less friction over a higher surface area horizontal. It will make a difference as to how the bearings wear but not a lot different related to frictional losses overall.

[@JaxCavalera]

According to Both GPT and Gemini if you were to use a superconductor for the outer magnets it will actually work (especially if you use magnetic bearings so there's no friction on the rotation). Of course today that also requires a lot more power to keep it cool as we don't have a room temp superconductor (yet) And the other thing would be to space the magnets out enough that it works more like a fly-wheel, so you would have more magnets on the outside frame than inner disk. And of course would have to run it in a vacuum to mitigate other forms of energy loss. So the concept would basically depend on 3 key things: 1. Gravity pulling a fly-wheel around. 2. Zero drag superconductors to "repel" the fly-wheel back up to the tipping point again where gravity will take over.. kind of like a roller-coaster I suppose. 3. Outer frame magnets sliding in and out of position to increase repel. Momentum will help improve efficiency further.. And it seems we're not breaking any laws of physics as we aren't creating energy or destroying it etc. it's just transforming. Anyway it's a fun thing to think about but totally based on fiction right now since we are missing a very important ingredient lol I'm also still a little sceptical on the physics of this as in my own experiments from years ago, I realised there's a very close relationship between the voltage needed to electromagnetically repel something, and the power it will generate as gravity pulls it back down toward the earth...

[@Tech_Planet]

That is a really good point, I appreciate the comment! I thought about using superconductors for awhile, maybe even just using superconducting tape if I can get my hands on it. I ordered mu metal and isolated brass magnets, the video will probably take 2 months to show everything. I was skeptical too until I started messing around with coils/ultrasonics and found weird stuff with voltages.

[@JaxCavalera]

@@Tech_Planet nice keen to see where you go with this

[@sciencefreak9070]

With superconduction you could reach a construction which rotates almost perpetually but it would still not be able to deliver mechanical energy. Even the smallest load would stop it. Answers of AI are doubtful since they will depend on the questions. And AI doesn't know more than textbooks on physics. And textbooks on physics make it clear that a motor can not be driven by permanent magnets only, never mind if superconductors are used or not.

[@aarongoodwin4845]

Drill a hole through those outside magnets and mount them so they can rotate! If done correctly you should be able to bipass the magnetic field of the next magnet in the series.

[@heinzpg]

No. Permanent magnets can never drive a motor, never mind what tricks you try. For the simple reaseon that they exercise forces but can not deliver continuous energy.

[@valikdidovik2552]

Use 3 rotors and 3 stators, but remember, that rotors shouldn't be placed in a row And you should also use a Cooper pipe as a magnetic shield for each magnet You can find a patent on web, with a instructions

[@sufficetosay]

That was my thought too in regard to shielding them in a copper sleeve.

[@jogoe2865]

That original motor had springs at the inner side from the magnets, they dont been complete static. It also had 3 wheels, where it seems, that the 2 other helped to overcome the sticky point. But there been to less informations about the device itself to reproduce it.

[@Tech_Planet]

I am trying to build variant 2 with mu metal, this will answer a lot of questions whether or not it really can work at all.

[@jangeertbruggink5044]

It’s actually quite satisfying to know that there is a limit to the physical laws. That whatever you do nothing unexpected will happen. When you define ‘this will not actually work’ it is almost as deceiving as stating ‘i think therefore i am’. Which starts with stating ‘I’ as an certainty, therefore giving a flawed logic statement. So by saying ‘this will not actually work’ i hope you are addressing the whole idea of perpetual motion. Not just this machine.

[@Tech_Planet]

I agree!

[@anunnakielohim2727]

perhaps putting the gate magnet on a rocker arm driven by a cam on the motors shaft or maybe an electromagnet powered by a capacitor being charged by a stator?

[@StefanDanov]

What will happen if you consider the resonant frequency of the magnets and increase the speed to that level?

[@elicemelo]

*_The cars here in my city all run with these engines. There are no more gas stations. Mechanical parts stores now sell magnets by the kilo_*

[@arjenchristianhelder1027]

wow so cool man! I have a suggestion, I know its a bit complex but what if the outer magnets can be adjusted in angle? perhaps there is a sweet spot? also get some magnetic viewing film so you can see what's going on.

[@dgtv71]

Great project. What if the outer magnets were on arms that were pushed away by cams our gears when the center wheel spins. In the same manner you pushed and pulled a magnet away to show how resistance prevented it from spinning continuously. Perhaps if timed properly there may be a better result.

[@rudolfsmejkal5001]

Přesně jak jste to popsal již existuje a funguje. Pohonem k překonání odporů magnetů je z boku umístněné kyvadlo a jeho pohyb zajišťují opět na vačkách magnety. Tento podivný stroj testovaly 3 roky a stále běžel. Tento vědecký pokus byl zde na youtube. Nepamatuji si jak se to jmenovalo a už jsem jej nikdy zde nenašel. Ale stále jej hledám

[@gordonstull1962]

The magnetic field exists in an Inertial frame of reference, it is the force that pulls-straight inwardly into infinity, having no angular acceleration and no angular de-acceleration. When we think in terms of adding energy to a spinning wheel, it's all about the force that pushes & bends and or the boundary producer. Perpetual motion can only exist in a inertial frame of reference being with respect to our size & time domain. Only the plugging force, (angular acceleration) keeps us from being sucked inwardly into infinity... Hence the term, boundary remover! Cool video, your work is greatly appreciated, thank you. 🙂

[@gunners6034]

Nice setup! I think, with some changes, this really could work, but I have to test it myself first.😉

[@yohannesteklewolde1651]

How about if you make each magnet in their respective hole rotate freely. You may also need to change the placement of each magnet to minimize the tugging or stalling effects of the current configurations. In other words, in the new configuration, at any time or location, each magnet is either pushed or pulled in the same direction. There is no free energy that can be extracted from this type system. However, it can do some simple work within the limitations of the magnetic energy stored in the magnets. You may also add some coils in the feedback path to compensate the rotor slip caused by applied load.

[@jayantilalemjay6948]

valuable product for so many uses.

[@manuel.camelo]

I had this very Idea when I was a kid. Glad someone built it 👁️👃👁️🙏

[@ag135i]

Try sterling engine with heat from sunlight or some hybrid like wind plus hydroelectric, thanks for your efforts, kudos 👍.

[@Tech_Planet]

Good idea, maybe something like the magnetsphere?

[@ag135i]

@@Tech_Planet yes bro try it👍.

[@Idolindo]

Energy always has an origin. People have to stop believing that there is such a thing as a free lunch.

[@brudinie]

Don't stop believing. I'd personally avoid systems that try to create energy from magnets. However, extracting energy from the quantum vacuum using a casimir diode is a worthwhile endeavour. Google Garret Moddel casimir diode.

[@beginnereasy]

You should study transcendental superconsciousness. There's supreme tech. It's like tilde ~ key access.

[@Lennart1995]

@@beginnereasy that doesn't sound very scientific lol

[@jamesbodiford7794]

I have a thought have you tried using a cam on your shaft with a leaver that pushes a are out from the spinning magnets. Or a leaver that would push up a small piece of lead plate in between the magnets to block the magnetic filds

[@tylerruble]

If you are done with this project, I'll buy the magnets from you! Didn't realize how expensive they were when ordering a kit lol :)

[@Tech_Planet]

Ok, I will post it if I sell it for discount, I spend all my ad revenue on these things heh

[@ulpijana73]

You should put plate magnets instead of those square. The secret is in magnetic flux geometry. Not all kind of shapes are suitable for magnetic motor.

[@heinzpg]

Absolute no kind of magnet shapes is suitable for a magnetic motor. Permanent magnets alone can not drive a motor, never mind what shape they have. I always wonder about such advices. Do you have a running magnet motor with plate magnets? Of course you haven't.

[@thefunze]

Hey great work. what about if instead of the outer circle of magnets you had 6 smaller circles like gear cogs that rotated (using the inner circle to drive them) at just the right speed to influence the inner circle magnets. the outer circle cogs would have an off centre magnet so it would be closer (to influence the magnet) and then after a 180 spin would be further away... ?

[@egriffin7010]

I wonder if there is a way to rock the outer magnets back and forth at timed intervals off of a camshaft changing the pushing/pulling fields so it eould continuosly run.

[@thejimmyrig]

The problem ive always had with magnets, were the magnets themselves. The field needs to be warped so the field can be controlled into a direction. I havent had a chance to try it, but ive been thinking since copper and aluminum can change the magnetic field, is using some sort of tube to narrow the magnetic field.

[@tradefarmacademy6874]

this is cool. I wonder if there is a way to pressurize the system so the torque is sufficient to put load on it. perhaps a closed system of some sort ontop of the kinetic energy being produced by the magnets 🤔

[@164procar4]

2nd / 3rd law of thermodynamics Plus the law force the govern our universe -kinetic energy. If you don't apply kinetic energy to particles or magnetic fields from and external source you ALWAYS end up with a energy loss

[@jayannan9897]

Something like this has to be achievable. It's the best way forward. Magnet, conductor and relative motion is all that is needed. Magnets and/or magnetic energy should be able to harnessed ✌

[@JoeyBlogs007]

I would consider running horizontally, so that gravity is only effecting friction in the presumed bearings.

[@diegomesquita4700]

I don't have any background on engineering nor english is my first languege. I believe that to create a funcional lightsaber, regardless of type, you need a way to manipulate the shape and strength of a magnetic field, and a way of create plasma (hot or Cold), and miniaturize everything. the magnetic field would give the shape of the blade and the strength of the field need to be either variable so the energy can interact with the enviroment or need some form of "miracle" point that can secure the energy inside the field and allow the field to disperse for interaction with the enviroment. plasma has many forms there is grape plasma that apears in a microwave oven to atmosferic entry. from easy to hard i believe that cold plasma lightsaber are easier but i have no ideia on how destructive.

[@VrilyaSS]

you can also overcome sticky point in vgate designs with liquid cooled superconductor, i have heard from an inventor that he has tried it successfully using liquid cooled superconductor in the dead spot of an vgate design

[@Fireball_Roberts]

It's hilarious how 90% of the comments are people telling OP what changes need to be made in order to get this impossible machine to run.

[@davidgill3356]

I can’t believe it. Especially ones who claim they have one that does but…insert lame excuse involving oil conspiracy, government collusion. Lack of funds and so on.

[@ShtNotworking]

doesn't look like his idea works because he's missing some parts, so what's wrong with advice?

[@Fireball_Roberts]

@@ShtNotworking Because no amount of advice is going to get this machine to break the laws of physics.

[@ShtNotworking]

@@Fireball_Roberts that's not how they invented the telephone you're using, or rockets... you seems vacced and boosted

[@withwingsaseagleeyes]

I'm wondering if you can have longer magnets where the North and South Pole are further apart?

[@grantfryer407]

surely that magnet would have to be thousands of miles long 🤔 wait not that south and north pole

[@costrio]

The problem, I conjecture, is the magnetic dipoles. Sure you can push against the one side of a magnet but when it's opposite pole arrives it counteracts the original push and attracts (or vice versa depending on the push/pull system used, IMO.) If one could shape a magnetic field appropriately (like a magnetic monopole, perhaps?) and only have those fields interact then it would be like a water wheel with the forces always in the same direction. I hear that there ain't no such animal as magnetic monopoles in nature but can we seperate the two poles with distance or shielding to ensure that forces don't counteract each other? (This is one of my thought experiments that helps me to drif off into sleep at night, sometimes. Just sayin...)

[@andreasschmitt2307]

It wouldn't work with monopoles and you can not separate magnetic poles.

[@Eng_Simoes]

Actually, one of Maxwell's equations means precisely that there are no magnet monopoles.

[@magnuswright5572]

That's Gauss's law of magnetism, a simplification of Maxwell's equations which is only true if you assume magnetic charge does not exist or is uniform everywhere. If we discover a new elementary particle with magnetic charge, it would necessarily introduce divergence in the B field, but in a hundred years of experiments nobody has found such a particle, or even made a prediction of its properties, so Gauss's law is a very useful simplification. There is no law of physics that says monopoles cannot exist, but if they do they must be a new kind of particle and might not be useful on large scales. They might even act like quarks, where if you try and pull them apart the energy in the B field is converted into a new north-south pair to keep the flux loops closed

[@andreasschmitt2307]

@@magnuswright5572 Exactly, but in 2014 there were found chains of molecules in "spin ice" where the ends of those chains behave like magnetic monopoles. Still always as pairs of monopoles and thus not separable, but for this configuration the law of Gauss doesn't work, except you'll add the chains as "hidden" magnetic flow.

[@OrenBlau]

second la of thermodynamics explains behavior in CLOSED SYSTEMS. A Symmetric OPEN system in my opinion can leverage a dynamic magnetic field in the magnetic gate the "sticky point"

[@sciencefreak9070]

Conservation of energy is mostly formulated for a closed system, but it is also valid for open systems. From the formulation for a closed system you can at once derive a formulation valid for open systems. Permanent magnets deliver forces but no energy. That's why a magnet motor is impossible. Think of all the different designs which have been tried. None of them moved even for one turn.

[@OrenBlau]

@@sciencefreak9070 think of "accidental scientific discovery's that are hard to reproduce at first. or Manhattan project when entire branch of physics was classified "TOP SECRET" so people wont have ludicrous amounts of dangers energy in their Garage, , i mean who knows, solar panels and wind power are open systems dependent of external potential energy reservoir, A symmetric systems sometimes reveal hidden "energy reservoirs" hopefully we could one day "harness the wheel works of nature" - Nikola Dear Nikola... like the Magnetospheres\CMEs\ solar Proton ejections etc... using Magnemic fields as a tap to that potential energy reservoir

[@brianbutz3306]

These magnets at their closest appear to be an inch apart, they'd work considerable better if closer, and may be the reason this doesn't work. We also have no way of knowing the polarity of these magnets, I feel it'd likely work better if magnets were repelling one another. I also think if attracting magnets were built into the support structure of the hub, there'd be a pull from the inside of the circle and a push from the outside, that little extra pull could make a big difference, also I's suggest that the wheel has significantly more mass and weight required to hold the magnets than needed. There's also considerable noise from the hub which indicates significant friction, I'd suggest that using a bicycle wheel with proper machining and bearings could make a large difference.

[@Tech_Planet]

I have a polarity meter and made sure they are all opposing but the magnets need to be shielded because they are interfering with each other.

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

I think that a concept along these lines has potential for generating a small amount of power with minimal maintenance by the user. But it’s maddening how every video of one in action always features a cut just before the rotation gets going and it’s suddenly spinning at high speed and there’s a subtle whine that sounds suspiciously like an attached motor.

[@Tech_Planet]

Yeah don't trust those videos. I'm building a second one with magnetic shielding, we will all see if it truly works or not.

[@Reyxv16]

So you have to use the kinetic energy of the rotor to extract some energy that is used to move the magnets to always point them in the correct direction, of course the rotor must have enough mass to store enough inertial energy, don't you think so?

[@justicegaminginc]

this would work if the magnets on the outside were electromagnets as you could then control when they are active and when they are not kinda like a rail gun or particle accelerator and it would still be able to output more energy than you input as you only need them to activate for less than a fraction of a second although this would be happening constantly

[@henknicovandenberg1211]

Please check the magnetmotor shown by Muammer Yildiz in 2014 at the university of Delft in the Netherlands. The video can easily be found on KZbin.

[@jamiebennett6354]

Years back I saw this machine just like yours BUT it stood about 9 feet tall and the shaft was easily 4 inches in diameter. it required power to close the top and as it was closing you could see the shaft begin to spin until it was fully closed. I recorded that video to a hard drive which is now GONE? (the video not the hard drive)

[@RaptorianSchrock]

quick question. spinning that wheel with magnets vs without magnets... which one slows down sooner?

[@shubbz87]

Love your dedication, if you can make energy next to nothing it is a good start and magnets could help as a lubricant and be one component of a bunch. I'm new, don't critique to hard.

[@SINANOZYOLDAS]

For 15 years, I have been working with angular resonance and I am ready to do the electricity generation project together with investors who agree to make an official protocol. Everything will be done openly after the signatures are signed.

[@RuiLaranjo]

I can give you a project what will work, but i have it only on paper and in my head. But it wil work better then what you have made. I got my idea when I was 15 years old, now I am 55. But i have never seen my in internet.

[@DP-hy4vh]

What if each of the outer magnets also rotated to simulate the changing magnetic field of stator coils?

[@Tech_Planet]

That could work. You could also just go with hall sensors/electromagnetic coils. It would rotate for a long time then.

[@ralphpremici7632]

Love ya work dude 😎

[@gordondahle7844]

Does it generate electricity when you spin it?

[@ronniejohnson317]

I had an old friend, who has passed on, that made a magnet motor generator. He was a trained engineer for the United States Corps of Engineers. His design was based on negative energy for the bearings and propulsion. The magnets were electromagnetic so he had to ramp up the machine to start it. It worked like a rail gun or bullet train. The machine produced about three times the energy that used . When he started to get his patent, he was approached by General Electric. They offered to buy the machine. He rejected the offer. The next week he received a subpoena from General Electric and was told that they had already applied for the same thing. It stayed in court until his death. His wife died broke. General Electric got the contract for a lot of military work. His name was Shelby Palmer from Fulton,MS.

[@Cosmic_Soul]

Awesome 👍 Did you notice, it has also created an optical illusion 😊 Can it run forever? If not, then why?

[@kilroy6765]

Did u try flipping 1 magnet to the opposite of what the setup is? Or a mechanical cam/pushrod to flip and outer magnet at a precise time? Dont think hall sensors, think mechanical..add a flywheel, attach a coil to the flywheel to charge a magnet coil on the other side? Centripetal force sping loaded counter weights as wheel spokes?

[@travismoore7849]

I have thought of using bismuth as a magnetic pusher and steel as a puller. I wonder if you can use this as half of the magnet motor with magnets in or out that push or pull the wheel depending on the material facing the magnetic fields.

[@travismoore7849]

Kind of like the black and white plates of a radiometer but instead of light it was thought to be made to spin with magnetic fields.

[@masonicpride7072]

You could put a arm offset a bit out from the middle and it would pull that other magnet back and forth as it went around ...

[@handymanny3006]

Did you think about trying weight? Almost like a flywheel with magnets on it?

[@printerek]

Cześć, Czy myślałeś o tym, żeby na przykład wyizolować magnetycznie pola interferujące? Druga opcja jaką rozważam to dwa lub trzy rotory. pozdrawiam Cię serdecznie, mam nadzieję, że nie będziemy musieli stworzyć magnesów jednobiegunowych.

[@ObserveNotify]

The magnetic coupling of pumps and motors. The magnetic rotational motion direction or motor, must have both , like North pole and south pole., similarly magnetic attraction force as well as magnetic repelling force. It must be connected to a motor which keeps on rotating with the same energy power, generated by the rotating magnetic coupling.

[@lancehamilton7604]

Why didn't you use any Shields to shape the magnetic field? Such has been shown in working models.

[@TheFranzzzNL]

Why do people keep trying to create a perpetuum mobile? It's literally impossible. Newtonian laws forbid it some run longer then others but without adding additional power it will come to a halt at some point.

[@sciencefreak9070]

Correct except "some run longer then others". No magnet motor has ever run, not even for one turn. They only run for some time if they are set in rotation by an external energy.

[@JHobartMusic72]

No one gives a shit about “perpetual”; that’s just a word for the people to use, who don’t want anyone trying to find ways to build devices to reduce their grid dependency. “Almost” perpetual can stick it to the pukes in “power” enough for them to cry about making 8 billion instead of 10 billion. I hope everyone keeps working on these

[@sciencefreak9070]

@@JHobartMusic72 Yes, "perpetual" wouldn't be needed but no one will build a device you hope for. You can reduce your energy bill by using PV, wind and heat pumps but there will never be a device which outputs energy without an equivalent input of energy. Nature is made this way and nature can't be tricked. Conservation of energy is one of the strongest laws of nature we know, because it is not only based on observations but on the proof called "Noether theorem", found more than hundred years ago, that our universe can't be stable without this law.

[@fatalsystermerror]

There was supposed to be an angle of 30 degrees to the tangent to the rotor circumference

[@THX4-one]

Michael James Brady the inventor of this "perendev" model did a few years in prison... it's still pretty cool in a workshop, but not in the living room. :)

[@jean-paullefaivre1161]

IMPORTANT: Try this out. I once had seen a paper that had information on how to build a FREE ENERGY/MOTOR GENERATOR. The motor/generator once started would keep running and you would get Free Over Unity Electrical Energy .The person had used Permanent Magnets and Electro Magnets with High Voltage Capacitors. With electro magnets and capacitors you can have a controlled magnetic field that stops the moment the capacitor is drained of its energy. With an all permanent magnet system you need to physically move one of the magnets away from the other or you get a clogging effect where motion of the rotor stops. By using electro magnets and capacitors or super capacitors you can have a controlled intermittent magnetic field. You can control the magnetic field with by an optical switch or better still with a solid state Hall Effect Sensor Switch. The electro magnet can be used as a generator to recharge the capacitor. You may need a diode to ensure the capacitors get the proper charging polarity. By switching a magnetic field on and off you can stop the clogging effect therefore the rotor can keep on turning and keep gaining momentum. I Reply

[@hotrod639]

Can you use two wheels geared together for a continuous magnetic repelling effect?

[@ANDREWWHODGE]

So planets orbit around the sun pretty well, for a decent amount of time, and each planet is spinning, and earth has a magnetic field, trying to picture if some part of that can be applied to this?

[@eastindiaV]

Looks like it accelerates and magnifies whatever original motion is applied to it Wouldn't it run longer if it was horizontal? Adding electricity to the outer ring should make it a functioning motor, but it's still not free energy... although I think these kind of motors are extremely powerful if tuned properly.

[@Tech_Planet]

I can try it, see what happens. I think it would run for a long time with coils/hall sensors but it would take awhile to build heh

[@OneroomBeatz]

Always love these science gadgets, would it work like a fan?

[@ManOleg38]

Did you make modelling it in magnetic analyzing software cad? Before that time wast?

[@Busholog]

I built my magnetic perpetuum mobile using aluminium hands, which would move in between approaching magnets of equal polarity, waiting for the magnets to pass, and then pulling the aluminium hands out, by which means the repelling magnets would turn the wheel. As simple as that! Based on our physics' teacher's explanation, that "metals" shield off magnetic lines of force, I chose a non-magnetic metal like aluminum, which would not have to fight the attraction of either magnets, and would not require energy to be moved. Needless to say, it did't work: Aluminum does not influence the magnetic lines of force, and as a result, it cannot "cut" them or "shield off" magnetic forces. Lesson learned: When a physics teacher talks about "metals" in magnetism, he might as well be thinking of "ferro-magnetic metals" only.

[@ultroni5978]

Maybe its more ok to spin it in vacuum case to eliminate air resistance. love your idea bo.

[@sciencefreak9070]

A motor which is so weak that it can't even overcome air resistance is worthless.

[@HowardSupra]

I wonder if reducing the outer magnets #, say maybe 4 total and having the inner magnets on a rachet gear type of system where they only get pushed out into the magnetic field of the outer magnets at the right time would work. I think you might have to offset the timing so one magnet at near maximum force is overcoming the next magnet that's ramping up friction losses. So 4 outer magnets, maybe 5 inner on the rachet? Idk still fun to think about though.

[@KevinSmith-os5yz]

Time the amount of time the rotor spins without the outer magnets, it will be the longest. It's just a flywheel:)

[@Richard-gl7xu]

What is the difference of running this in the horizontal plane where gravity will be more uniform as opposed to current setup, the wheel and mass of magnets is being pulled down un the up movement, of course the opposite is trues to on the far sides, so I guess the principle of equivalence equals this out? also what about running it in a vacuum so no air resistance and very low friction bearings, if not some kind of magnetic bearings where there is 0 friction.

[@nazgullinux6601]

Make individual magnetic circuits to guide the repulsive side of the magnets away from the next approaching rotor magnet. Think of it like a transformer core and how it works. It completes a magnetic circuit and the magnetic field at a positive value away from the core surface becomes extremely weak. Just something to think about.

[@mgregggphone]

Extremely strong Betteridge's law of headlines with this video.

[@bigdog44pc]

Is it because this had never occurred to anyone in the past or only recently, have we had very powerful permanent magnets?

[@sciencefreak9070]

No. If such concepts would work they would also work with weak magnets, only the output of power would be small. But magnet motors up to now have never delivered even a MicroWatt of power, never mind which design was tried. Because permanent magnets deliver force but no energy.

[@stanley09387]

You have to couple this to help a wind generator spin more easily even with little wind.

[@thomasfeiller2207]

If the longitudinal axis of some/all of the perimeter magnets could pivot about the center point of that axis so that the field shifts in some way to compensate for the issues you exposed at the end maybe we'd have better results. using the convergence of neighboring fields to create some cyclic movement in sync with the inside fields. I'm just a curious laymen but I'm wondering if some sort of mechanical "platform" for each magnet, maybe linked to create some sort of synchronicity with the frequency at which the interior magnets pass by... Is anyone understanding what I'm trying to convey?

[@TheGijzzz]

You could make the unwanted magnetical interference less by shielding the magnets in copper pipes. Ever seen a magnet fall down a copper pipe.

[@DanMoridin]

How long did it spin before slowing down?

[@JoeSchmgege1]

Put each of the outer magnets on mini wheels and rotate so it performs the same pushing then gets out of the way and rotates around again and pushes again.

[@Tech_Planet]

I can definitely come up with new designs and try it!

[@ColinZoe98]

Try a spiral of similarly oriented magnets in the rotor with a full flat north and a full flat south on the there side of the rotor, because the locking of the north and south poles actually rotates at all times maybe the magnets oriented inward torward the center of the rotor will just get caught in the north south vortex and then rotate more like a tesla turbine than a pushing device, more like magnetic friction.

[@Besiege_games]

I also want to make a perpetual motion machine, but I don’t know where to put the electric motor