Perfectly ill - roundtable with Orbach, Hustvedt, Skårderud, Sand and Stoltenberg

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Part of it is that economic systems don't allow for rebellion. In the U.S., a lot of kids are living on the edge, paycheck to paycheck, and you can't mess about with rebellion where if you get arrested and lose your job, you are homeless.

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Susie Orbach: One of the things that has struck me since I talked to Finn, earlier today is the fact that we have a conformist culture globally with people of a certain age...I think we've got it with the adults..places that were sites of rebellion have been incorporated into the sense of being a multiple self ...if you look at a pop video you'll see that the person you'll see a person appears in 7 different outfits in 2.5 mins..torn stockings or torn jeans and then be elegant.... then you could have a fairy costume but you have to have great big boots on..you have to be all things at all times..this is a kind of rubbing of alternative identities I'm very interested in this notion of conformity in your study..but not good enough it is in terms whether there's listening instead of tick boxing on the study it is what I've noticed with my kids they come from a rebellious family, they're just like any other kid they might have a bit of individuality in that they're doing stranger things but they're passing in the culture, nobody would know that they're not the same they don't stand out in any way in the way in the way the beat poets, the hippies the leftists...they don't stand out...there's something so bloody well behaved is what you're saying...the behaviour of rebellion or hurt is in their own space, in their own body..in .their own psyche and that is an interesting phenomena because it is like a very old fashioned person it's like several generations back when we weren't allowed to have a voice, when we weren't fighting for a voice we're supposed to pretend to have a voice which actually, we're still all struggling with and it's then that its when we're, the youngsters are taking it out on themselves

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Why does Susie Orbach wear such short skirts so frequently?

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Norway ask/speak/survey thousands of young people: doing better attending schools, like their parents, enjoy school but are alienated by design. The map: Are the generations challenged in new ways? Susie Orbach Susie Orbach notes the collaborative culture in Norway, but the forces in society are so intense that you can't insulate their children form the notion of 'success' which has supplanted contribution. Young people share their sorrows but young people seem to have lost the middle range of emotional expression...where are the nuances of expression in this culture? Helping young people by giving them an emotional vocabulary rather than inside grand pictures...(Instagram) the ordinary difficulties of growing up are resonated and resonating so that people aren't split from each other and themselves...Camilla 'always cautious about the knowledge' surveys have been done several times and in many ways perspectives. How have young people changed? They re better or more used to saying they\ are sad in older generations wouldn't admit it..would like to explore the status of the knowledge and the quality of knowledge, would like to look at different countries..do they have the same patterns..how much is linked to the administration of anti depressants...I'm cautious...it's easy to imagine it might well be true we can speculate..how can we get better knowledge...Finn...we see self harm and the constructs people are not only drop outs they are also drop ins they are unhealthy in the midst of health...Liv are they better at reporting, a research bias or trend in youth.in the research there are signs of a generation perfect...well behaved drink less exercise more in terms of physical health there are positive signs ...sleep difficulties.. working signs..disorders family burden conflict, risk factors always there...and new pressures, the cultural part of body image..the perfect generation..that generation consists of children who come from difficult homes how too they perceive things... Siri wonders about increase in externalisation of the self...that sort of scale culture where people become third person instead of first person...internet,n new technologies..every time a tech comes in there is hysteria

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They missed the point about re-viewing the past..understanding what was/is important and what is always missed...Siri Hustvedt is very conservative and seems to misunderstand the function of rebellion is a desire for connection and enfranchisement an attempted connection between and across genders, classes, groups, ethnicities...