PERFORMANCE Upgrade for the 4 Stroke TWIN Cylinder - *VALVE Lapping* - Supercharger Update

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JohnnyQ90

JohnnyQ90

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While figuring out which supercharging method should I use, I always had the curiosity to know why this particular engine spits so much unburned fuel from the exhaust and the inlet as well. The siplest thought was valve leakage. There's no other way so much fuel can escape both from the inlet and outlet of the combustion chamber. I decided to use the lapping method which is used on full sized engines. In my case I used polishing compound (thicker one) instead of the actual paste that is used for this purpose as it's too thick and harsh for these tiny valves. The result speak for itself. I was never able to rev the engine past 11,000rpm, while now it revs happily almost to 16,000rpm. I still cannot believe that by simply polishing the valves we can have so dramatic changes in the performance of this little engine. Probaply after all the disassembly and assembly process, I accidentally fix the real problem.
About the supercharger. As you can see on the video, it's pretty much impossible to have any gains from an engine that barely works right. I'm surprised though that the blow through setup worked better. As I've said 2 years ago, a positive displacement supercharger would work perfectly fine.
Model engine companies like O.S have released in the past supercharged four stroke single cylinder engines with a roots type supercharger (O.S FS120 supercharged). This alone gives me hope that I will make it work.
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@slendeer_games8731
@slendeer_games8731 3 жыл бұрын
Bored to death with a centrifugal supercharger? Never! I haven't seen one of these things put onto a model engine, and it's super badass! You're so close man! Don't give up!
@_Mav
@_Mav 3 жыл бұрын
100% agree, don’t give up on the supercharger! Also agree with some of the other comments, possibly EFI? maybe a team up with a channel that can produce something on RasberryPi etc 🧐
@GJGAMING5
@GJGAMING5 3 жыл бұрын
This
@crenn6977
@crenn6977 3 жыл бұрын
@@_Mav Trust me, you wouldn't want to use a Raspberry Pi (SBC) for any engine application. A microcontroller (Ironically, the Raspberry Pi Pico could be used) is what you want.
@SmikeMan
@SmikeMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@crenn6977 maybe just add fuel pump?
@keepsgoing4evr1
@keepsgoing4evr1 3 жыл бұрын
@@crenn6977 just saw the video and at the end, some sort of fuel injection, even if it's just somet to adjust on the fly as the engine revs. Not EFI, "M (manual) FI" lol. Could this little thing have run away boost? Lol. Alright Johnny, time for that micro blow off valve 😬. How would you solve the EFI if not a small computer controlled fuel injection @crenn6977? I'm legitimately curious because Raspberry Pi popped into my head as well.
@funkyzero
@funkyzero 3 жыл бұрын
I can assure you, we are FAR from being "bored" with this project. It's incredible to watch the process. I LOVE this stuff man
@davelowets
@davelowets 2 жыл бұрын
What's this "we" shit, you got a mouse in your pocket?? 😜
@doggystyle802
@doggystyle802 Жыл бұрын
we also want bigger pulleys
@red1246
@red1246 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have expected a difference so big just from lapping the valves....
@FlyXenonRC
@FlyXenonRC 3 жыл бұрын
The sound difference alone is pretty incredible!
@Avetho
@Avetho 3 жыл бұрын
Well at this scale a small imperfection in manufacturing is very unforgiving. On an LS3 these flaws would lose maybe 5 to 10 HP over the stock 430, but on this, for like 1 HP it could stand to lose perhaps a quarter HP or so at the worst. So for an LS being a full size motor, that's between 1 to 2 percent power loss, but on this tiny motor that's a 25 percent loss in power. And with so much air flowing between the valves and the valve seats at 12k RPM before the lapping, it was losing a lot of potential power especially since its rated to reach 16k RPM (it is a Toyan L200). So with that defect fixed and even made better than stock, it likely makes somewhere around 1.25 HP without the supercharger and perhaps 3 or more with the supercharger once the AFR is tuned right with the 10 to 1 pulley.
@gabrielvalencia1395
@gabrielvalencia1395 3 жыл бұрын
@@Avetho 3 HP from an engine this size would be amazing to see in action
@jacobcredle4807
@jacobcredle4807 3 жыл бұрын
Watch where he points lazer when he checks rpm. He is getting more rpm the second reading because he checks it closer to crankshaft. Lapping valves will increase efficiency and power but not by 4,000 rpm
@FlyXenonRC
@FlyXenonRC 3 жыл бұрын
Jacob Credle you might be confused, the rpm of a rotating body does not change depending where you measure it. A wheel spinning at 60rpm is spinning at 60rpm no matter where you measure it
@chrisg4rr377
@chrisg4rr377 3 жыл бұрын
"danger to manifold" Careful man or your floor pan will blast out
@Gallo12
@Gallo12 3 жыл бұрын
Mate, that comment deserves to be no.1!
@dtsnjsn6101
@dtsnjsn6101 3 жыл бұрын
@@azzz..6 See but then it’ll randomly spin out before it finishes any races
@OttomanDrifter91
@OttomanDrifter91 3 жыл бұрын
it's plastic, he can lose as many he can without sparking lol
@The_Masked_Frenchman
@The_Masked_Frenchman 3 жыл бұрын
Nah dude I'm not bored at all! I was literally waiting for this video to come out cause it's so cool and uncommon! You make me want to get a pocket nc and a 3d printer so that I can mess around with these little motors!
@PexiTheBuilder
@PexiTheBuilder 3 жыл бұрын
Been thinking building cnc because yt videos have proven me I need one :D
@alexjunior5774
@alexjunior5774 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@dtsnjsn6101
@dtsnjsn6101 3 жыл бұрын
I had a PocketNC for a little while, but since moved up to a full size 5 axis machine. But that’s only because my dad and I have a machine shop, and the PocketNC couldn’t keep up. It was a great little machine though, a great tool to learn 5 axis milling, and perfect for hobbyists.
@castekracing
@castekracing 3 жыл бұрын
You have NOT bored us sir! You make us all aspire to have even half the skill you have. This is one of the best projects I’ve seen
@RCTanksTrucks247
@RCTanksTrucks247 3 жыл бұрын
Once again, awesome work. You must be a wizard. Great skills mate!
@marianbuduroi6463
@marianbuduroi6463 3 жыл бұрын
wizard? nah, just hard work and big brain 😉
@jacobcredle4807
@jacobcredle4807 3 жыл бұрын
Watch where he points lazer when he checks rpm. He is getting more rpm the second reading because he checks it closer to crankshaft. Lapping valves will increase efficiency and power but not by 4,000 rpm
@mickmuzzmkmz1628
@mickmuzzmkmz1628 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobcredle4807 Yes the laser is further out the second time, but the engine is revving noticeably higher, by the sound pitch it's making. I don't really know much about this kind of laser tachometer, as I've never used one, but if it counts revolutions, it should not matter how far out he checked it. The flywheel/pulley is spinning the same RPM along it's entire radius. It's the pulley speed that changes along it's radius, as the further from the centre, the further it needs to move for the same RPM. So provided the tachometer can somehow know when a complete revolution has been made, it shouldn't matter where the reading was taken. If it was a tachometer which works out the revolutions by measuring speed at a certain point on the radius, then it would matter. Like I said, I don't know how this type of tachometer works, usually he uses a tachometer which works by using a piece of reflective tape that reflects the laser, so allowing the tacho to count a revolution. I didn't see him put the tape on this time. Either it's a new type of laser tacho, or he didn't film the application of the tape.
@Hermiwalle
@Hermiwalle 3 жыл бұрын
It might be sucking air throught your supercharger bearings if they arent sealed.
@jds3545
@jds3545 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobcredle4807 that's not true, it reads the reflective tape once per revolution. It doesn't matter where the tape is.
@graphixkillzzz
@graphixkillzzz 3 жыл бұрын
to check power gains, you could always run the engine to an electric generator, see how much electricity it makes with and without the forced induction.
@storejoshuprite
@storejoshuprite 3 жыл бұрын
I was watching Smarter Everyday's video on power generation the other day, and he had a mini generator attach to a drill to show the effects of rotation speed on frequency loading. He also showed the difference of unconnected poles versus connected poles of said motor. In theory, you could create a load cell of resistors and use either a dmm or even a killawatt type device measure the output of the motor.
@chrisholcar6278
@chrisholcar6278 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not bored of this, I’m constantly amazed at what you are capable of designing and engineering and I watch in awe at the scale you work at, keep trying buddy I’m sure you’ll figure it out
@pkpotate
@pkpotate 3 жыл бұрын
wait wth, valve lapping gave you a 25% increase in RPM?! there was that much pressure loss due to inconsistencies?! that is crazy! I love these videos!!
@davidguille5992
@davidguille5992 3 жыл бұрын
I belive the reason it was running strange is due to fuel accumulation, fuel is sitting in the bottom of the compressor housing and when it's finally drawn into the engine it's causing your running issue.
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking maybe the carburetor throat was too small and when the engine revs up a strong vacuum forms which begins pulling more fuel through the jet which revs it up more until it begins running lean and then it slows down and repeats.
@jesusisalive3227
@jesusisalive3227 3 жыл бұрын
I think a different style carburetor is in order.
@rubiconnn
@rubiconnn 3 жыл бұрын
Fuel injection is the way to go. I wonder if they make fuel injectors that small.
@Kraknar
@Kraknar 3 жыл бұрын
Fuel accumulating in the compressor could be it, I was thinking that the intake manifold wasn't distributing fuel evenly as it's not well atomized by that point.
@HonorNecris
@HonorNecris 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kraknar Yeah, that's my thought too, asking atomized fuel to follow that path and stay atomized is a big ask.
@defaultdriftco00
@defaultdriftco00 3 жыл бұрын
Adding a pressure bypass when throttle closes may help. Recirculating the pressure back to the intake of the supercharger, this would work best with the blow through design and relieve the compressor loading at idle.
@onefastslimjim
@onefastslimjim 3 жыл бұрын
This makes total sense, I just don't know how you can do it on something this small of a scale.
@defaultdriftco00
@defaultdriftco00 3 жыл бұрын
@@onefastslimjim true, but he manages a lot of stuff on a scale that is tiny, a challenge, just not impossible!
@onefastslimjim
@onefastslimjim 3 жыл бұрын
@@defaultdriftco00 oh yeah, knowing Johnny, he would find some sort of way!
@user-qq2mo1ek2r
@user-qq2mo1ek2r 3 жыл бұрын
Love your engine build and tune series. That engine is a PITA to tune and one of the reasons why I went from nitro engines to 2 stroke petrol 1/5th scale rc. You're ingenuity and ability to make things keeps it interesting.... Keep these videos coming.
@collapse4068
@collapse4068 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like it's running super lean . More air also means more fuel is needed.
@CompproB237
@CompproB237 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Seemed like the base idle screw needs some adjustment.
@castekracing
@castekracing 3 жыл бұрын
Or even a boost referenced fuel pressure regulator. Almost need an electronic fuel pump with a return setup to try and supply the fuel it needs id say
@sprengstoffman
@sprengstoffman 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutly way to lean, crank the needle valve up and maybe will work
@rehepeks
@rehepeks 3 жыл бұрын
@@castekracing thats why he went carb before supercharger. this way the carb doesnt see the pressure.
@castekracing
@castekracing 3 жыл бұрын
@@rehepeks that’s true. I haven’t done much with draw through.
@wyohman00
@wyohman00 3 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see an "upgrade" is actually an upgrade and not another way to spend money. Thanks for showing the pre-lapped/post-lapped numbers.
@frodobaggins169
@frodobaggins169 3 жыл бұрын
I suspect your problem is a vacuum leak in the supercharger at the end of the video. I've seen that meany times before. Thanks for the great video.
@Hermiwalle
@Hermiwalle 3 жыл бұрын
yes I think through the ceramic bearings
@caseyt8447
@caseyt8447 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is, the fuel isn't being pushed into the carb like the fuel tank is designed to do. The nipple on the lid of the gas tank is supposed to be connected to a source that can supply positive air pressure.
@steveclark3379
@steveclark3379 3 жыл бұрын
to prevent the gauge from being damaged and giving erratic readings ..... us a long length of pipe between the manifold and the gauge.... at the manifold end place a restriction in the pipe, a bush with a 0.1mm hole in it, this will damp the response of the gauge and give the gauge a longer life span .. nice work... cool project
@AutoBodyEverything
@AutoBodyEverything 3 жыл бұрын
It should not be mechanical to begin with. Theres wayyyy too much fluctuation and its jamming it up. This will happen in any situation which is why ALLLLLLL boost gauges are digital.
@dtsnjsn6101
@dtsnjsn6101 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never clicked so fast
@tiagobelo4965
@tiagobelo4965 3 жыл бұрын
Johnny, my man, you think we are bored to death with this thing? Boy are you wrong, there are 3 main reasons people watch these amazing videos of yours: 1-they are incredibly relaxing, 2-watching you make those parts and seeing how good of an engineer and craftsman you are is just incredible (btw, do you ever plan on uploading some videos where you teach us what you do to make these incredible machines of yours and how you do it?), and finally, 3-because watching these things work is, simply put, exciting. What I mean to say is, there is no project of yours, made in your style, that could ever bore us.
@G3orge3670
@G3orge3670 3 жыл бұрын
It's so nice to see new tools
@nicolashoyt5341
@nicolashoyt5341 3 жыл бұрын
Don't quit you are just getting started! 3 tips, 1 I think a blow thru with a better carb is in order, 2 use a fluid filled gauge with a restriction in the line, and 3 make a large plenum on the manifold. If you look at what people have done for turbo's on small engines they need a "boost capacitor" basically it's a larger plenum for holding air to dampen the massive changes in pressure caused by low cylinder count.
@MaNNeRz91
@MaNNeRz91 3 жыл бұрын
A little tip with boost gauges that like to shake or flutter. Stuff a piece of clay with a wd40 straw (the tiny red ones) through the middle into the pipe used to feed to gauge. The gauge will be slightly laggy (unoticably) but a lot smoother and more accurate. I had to do it on my car's one 😆
@benjamindavidson632
@benjamindavidson632 3 жыл бұрын
They actually make filters for this. Also cotton balls work.
@MaNNeRz91
@MaNNeRz91 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjamindavidson632 yeah I saw the filters but they either seemed too cheap or too expensive 😆 had some milliput and a wd40 straw laying about so improvised 😆
@yeahright3348
@yeahright3348 3 жыл бұрын
@@MaNNeRz91 Yep RC filter, resistor and capacitor. The restriction is the resistor, and the pipe&gauage volume is a capacitor. Use to do this on boucing pressure transducers mounted too close to a pump set. Even just a length of plastic pipe with a crimp/bend in it works.
@Timsturbs
@Timsturbs 3 жыл бұрын
@@yeahright3348 i like how knowledge in electronics often can be applied to other fields tech
@MaNNeRz91
@MaNNeRz91 3 жыл бұрын
@@yeahright3348 I never thought about it as an electronic component before but that does make sense. Kind of like the bottle neck explanation for capacity and resistance. (I'm shit at electronics though.. I can repair stuff but I have no clue about working out current and amps)
@Iwaswrong578
@Iwaswrong578 3 жыл бұрын
Dude nothing you do is boring! The stuff you do is insanely awesome! 👊😬👍
@LeHazy
@LeHazy 3 жыл бұрын
Johnny this series is super fascinating. I'm always amazed by what you're able to acchieve with this engine. PLEASE continue to upgrade it :D
@Oskariii
@Oskariii 3 жыл бұрын
Next stiffer valve springs and high duration/lift camshaft for 20000rpm. (and supercharger ofc) Maybe oil system upgrade. Soon the whole engine will be diy upgrades lol. Great video keep them coming!
@foureye7058
@foureye7058 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've really been wondering if the camshaft has much of any tuning ground into it at all. Not really familiar enough, but my immediate guess would be that (like the rough machined valves) it's only meant to be good enough to let the engine run as a "functional model".
@darcykeddell4930
@darcykeddell4930 3 жыл бұрын
totally not bored! this series is insane I love your work!
@17473039
@17473039 3 жыл бұрын
That valve lift is pretty small, how close are the valves springs to binding? You might be able to make rockers with a more aggressive rocker ratio to gain more lift which will also help with higher rpm.
@henryarrington3446
@henryarrington3446 3 жыл бұрын
Would prolly get even more overlap. Which is what he is fighting right now I’m guessing.
@17473039
@17473039 3 жыл бұрын
@@henryarrington3446 overlap isn't always a bad thing in forced induction, especially in high revving engines. The duration of the overlap shouldn't change though, as without altering the cam profile, although the curtain area/time will be greater, the actual number of degrees per revolution that overlap exists will be the same. If boost drops it'll probably because the intake valves are exessively restrictive. Boost is a means to an end, if you reduce a restrictive valve you may drop boost, but if it means more air actually fills the cylinder then that's actually a beneficial drop.
@henryarrington3446
@henryarrington3446 3 жыл бұрын
@@17473039 your right I guess I worded it wrong. Overlap timing would be the same. But the valves would be open more during overlap. There is probably a lot of overlap in that engine to make it easy to start. I don’t know if it’s a flat tappet or roller lifters but if flat tappet you can’t get very aggressive on open and closing of valves. So builders have to put up with a little more overlap to get more duration/lift.
@17473039
@17473039 3 жыл бұрын
@@henryarrington3446 my guess is that being as cheap as it is, the cam probably acts directly on the rocker so it would act somewhere between the two. There is potential to advance the cam slightly so the intake valve close sooner so piston is closer to bdc when the intake valve closes, and rely on the supercharger flow and the overlap to help cylinder clearing on the exhaust stroke.
@henryarrington3446
@henryarrington3446 3 жыл бұрын
@@17473039 agreed bud. I think you and me are thinking the same thing is going on on the little engine. Johnny will get it sorted out I’m sure.
@coyote-ghostgrey4065
@coyote-ghostgrey4065 3 жыл бұрын
Duuuude that little torque tool is freaking sweet, didn't even know they made one like that. This guys shop must be a wet dream for hobbyists, I mean just his little 5 axis is 5 grand but his skill is on another level!
@roopetaina862
@roopetaina862 3 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see if you could port the head.
@GulliJ
@GulliJ 3 жыл бұрын
I'm was and will never being bored see your tests and research! Don't hesitate to continue In this case due to exhaust smoke I could say the fuel is clearly not normally carrying to engine. The engine have it in excess when you open throttle and compressor puzch the "heavy" oil+fuel to engine. If methanol is easy to transport on the air of your supercharger, oil that's take part of fuel could not be follow a such long tubing before engine I think your problem is here. Solution is hard but probably you need to separate air throttle and fuel Install a fuel sprayer as near as possible to valve and a simple air carb where you want.
@paulterhaar4862
@paulterhaar4862 3 жыл бұрын
You need a gauge filled with oil to get a decent reading
@moz2186
@moz2186 3 жыл бұрын
I think some kind of restriction orfice also inline?
@gabrielecossettini2923
@gabrielecossettini2923 3 жыл бұрын
And a gauge with a stop on the 0 so it doesn't run backwards.
@MrPronoz
@MrPronoz 3 жыл бұрын
Restrictor should do the job.
@a351must2
@a351must2 3 жыл бұрын
I think the shaky gauge had more to do with there still being compression leaking into the intake. Same as if you've ever tried reading vacuum on an engine with a bent or overtightened intake valve. Could just be an RC engine issue ... I've never built a 16K rpm engine ... there could be all kinds of overlap on that cam for all I know.
@niteriderevo9179
@niteriderevo9179 3 жыл бұрын
could also be valve float like crazy..
@jesussuarez8763
@jesussuarez8763 3 жыл бұрын
You haven’t bored me bro i am intrigued by your super charger and all the work that goes into your videos keep up the amazing work!!!
@jaxperez7860
@jaxperez7860 3 жыл бұрын
when running boost you would have to advance or retard your timing ,I know that it doesn't have spark plugs but that would probably be the issue
@LM-uz4pr
@LM-uz4pr 3 жыл бұрын
Would valve float be a concern, I am not a mechanic just a hobbyist
@iNubAlert
@iNubAlert 3 жыл бұрын
@@LM-uz4pr valve float is an rpm related issue, the only issue you can run in to with changing camshaft timing is valve interference
@Ryrzard
@Ryrzard 3 жыл бұрын
​@@LM-uz4pr Valve leak could actually be an issue that Johnny should inspect for. The valve springs weren't designed to hold positive intake pressure so the boost might be forcing air through them when they are supposed to be closed.
@wokekkk
@wokekkk 3 жыл бұрын
Hard to pull of but definitely cool idea
@Ac3sdg
@Ac3sdg 3 жыл бұрын
@@iNubAlert That's true for naturally aspirated cars. In the case of forced induction valve float can also occur when the valve springs are not stiff enough and the sheer air pressure generated by the supercharger/turbocharger manages to push the valves open
@samuelberghuvud5527
@samuelberghuvud5527 3 жыл бұрын
Bored to death? no this is entertaining to watch and see the progress you make in making smol super chargers. keep up the good work
@sethsengines212
@sethsengines212 3 жыл бұрын
I think you need to make an fuel injection system for it
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 3 жыл бұрын
A turbo would be easier to make than that.
@sethsengines212
@sethsengines212 3 жыл бұрын
@@sepg5084 your not wrong but you know he will find a way to make it
@thelol1759
@thelol1759 3 жыл бұрын
I promise I’m not bored of the supercharger videos at all.
@oakwaterjimmy
@oakwaterjimmy 3 жыл бұрын
Iv seen people do this on small motors like for go-carts you need to use a carb with a butterfly not a slide throttle. I dont know why but it just works
@m.b.82
@m.b.82 3 жыл бұрын
You havn't bored me at all! Love this project. Love this channel. Looking forward to the next update!
@TheTONYMUL
@TheTONYMUL 3 жыл бұрын
If polishing the valves worked that well on that engine do the same to your v4 to see if that gets more rpm also
@soft-conf
@soft-conf 3 жыл бұрын
There is something extremely relaxing about your videos
@ShamblerDK
@ShamblerDK 3 жыл бұрын
You're not boring us at all :-)
@thedanchannel5528
@thedanchannel5528 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this project! If it were me personally, I’d go back to blow through, keep your current pulley ratio to spin it fast enough, and run your fuel pressure tap from the intake tube between the blower and the carb. That way it should increase fuel pressure on a 1:1 ratio to boost pressure. You may also find that you need a stiffer valve spring. Even with such low boost, there’s still a good possibility that it’s blowing the valve off the seat and making it run erratic. Please don’t give up on it yet!
@girtlush
@girtlush 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like your only tuning the high end needle? There’s a low end needle on the side of the carb as well. You need to tune the high end first to get peak rpm. Then the low end to get good idle and transition. Also going over to electronic ignition and petrol/gas where it auto advances the timing might help 😊
@EllaBananas
@EllaBananas 3 жыл бұрын
What was going on there sounded a lot like a vacuum leak to me than a tuning issue. Or maybe some weird interaction between the carb and the supercharger causing an odd vacuum signal. Using an elbow between the carb and the supercharger might not have been the best plan. the more complicated the path between the carb and the engines vacuum the more wonky things get. I once ran what I thought was a pretty simple routing of a flexible (but very stiff) tube between the carb and the engine of my two stroke, and found the engine was virtually untunable. it always ran like trash. Then I eliminated the tube and mounted it as direct as possible, instantly found the right jet, and now it runs flawlessly. And yes I realize this is a 4 stroke of sorts, but these principals do still apply. A carb is a carb. (at least when it comes to 2 and 4 strokes-)
@caseyt8447
@caseyt8447 3 жыл бұрын
he's missing the pressure line on the lid of the tank. its starving for fuel, which is making it very difficult to tune.
@robertdantona7952
@robertdantona7952 3 жыл бұрын
Never bored of your channel. Love the lapping and valve work. Positive increase. Racking my brain as to why the intermittent idle and why the needle valve has no affect on the flow. Could be pulling air through the SC bearings. Great Vid 👍🏼
@sonicbluecoupe
@sonicbluecoupe 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it needs stiffer valve springs.
@benshawley2703
@benshawley2703 3 жыл бұрын
That is the coolest mini torque/screwdriver thing I've ever seen
@RetroBerner
@RetroBerner 3 жыл бұрын
I'll never get bored of this stuff and I don't even know what you're doing most of the time
@Artiick
@Artiick 3 жыл бұрын
I... I can't wait to see this thing on a mini F1 chassis. The thing sounds like a mini F1 at 16k RPM
@The_J_Man
@The_J_Man 3 жыл бұрын
Put two of them together and you've got something a lot like a mini Cosworh DFV V8...
@StuckInNE
@StuckInNE 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what you post. Your videos are hypnotic. Love your content. Do your thing.
@maxiferrari08
@maxiferrari08 3 жыл бұрын
It's really strange how the engine behaves with the supercharger...maybe it has something to do with the blow through setup but I don't know
@forced4ph
@forced4ph 3 жыл бұрын
I've been watching for this video. Valve lapping made impressive gains!
@Robert-zm5gj
@Robert-zm5gj 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see aluminium conecting rods for this engine
@daig1984
@daig1984 3 жыл бұрын
Love watching you mess around! I want 1 for my living room
@mightyfinejonboy
@mightyfinejonboy 3 жыл бұрын
Not bored, more impressed if anything.
@Eruasa
@Eruasa 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest I'm not even "bored to death" with the supercharger. I think it's fascinating, and I would love to see more of it (even if it fails)
@wyatt1941
@wyatt1941 3 жыл бұрын
watched this litte motor gain 4000 RPM by valve lapping and thought "wow" then i saw the super charger.
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 3 жыл бұрын
The motor has had that supercharger for a while now
@andylawrence8346
@andylawrence8346 3 жыл бұрын
Not bored ive watched this 3x. Im just amazed at the skill you have building these tiny engines 👍
@shawnmrfixitlee6478
@shawnmrfixitlee6478 3 жыл бұрын
Huge gain ! Never would have thought it would be that big of a difference .. ENJOYED..
@dymitrnawrocki9926
@dymitrnawrocki9926 3 жыл бұрын
You can fill gauge with oil to damper frequent pressure changes, or buy one with oil in it already. Gauges with oil are made specifically for use like this where there are frequent pressure changes.
@Rickster621
@Rickster621 3 жыл бұрын
what if the air that gets "comprimed" is to hot/big? make a tiny intercooler loop se if that helps?
@matthewmondragon2074
@matthewmondragon2074 2 жыл бұрын
The power increases slowy or no power increased, reason of the existence of Intercoolers doesn't matter its supercharger, turbo or centrifugal turbo. In case of supercharged engines the cooling is down to the compressor before enters the engine, it's watercooled by a second radiator as intercooler, this also applies in centrifugal turbos used commonly in bikes.
@joshclark1067
@joshclark1067 3 жыл бұрын
Automotive engine builder here. Just to cure your curiosity, since youre reading the pressure at the manifold, the intake valves create a pulsating pressure wave. Jon Kasse has a good demonstration of the pressure waves where he cut a hole in an intake manifold. It will also cause the pulsation in the reading while at boost. I saw your previous video so I know why you did it, just thought I'd explain it!
@239giant4
@239giant4 3 жыл бұрын
JohnnyQ90, incredible work you do, always pure joy waching you bring thos engines to life ,,. 1/8th scale twin 4stroke, cant hardly wait,thank you!
@rcxmodelsuk256
@rcxmodelsuk256 3 жыл бұрын
the tuning problem is due to the carb, the supercharger pulls a vacume on the carb side when in a pull through config, because of this it pulls fuel past the needle and air from around the slide, the engine then runs away, the combustion sustains the rpm which sustain the vacume which sustains excess fuel and air flow. a smaller pully on the engine would help with this. you can also hear the supercharger surging which supports this, the engine leans out the revs increase the supercharger pulls fuel and air in which makes the engine pick up. a better carb or efi would help this problem but its all about how far you want to go with a model engine. awesome work eitherway, cant wait to see more
@gyula6516
@gyula6516 3 жыл бұрын
We never get bored, this content is too good!!
@MrCarnutbill67
@MrCarnutbill67 3 жыл бұрын
In 1:1 engines it was determined a long time ago that draw through set ups don’t perform nearly as well as blow through. Go to any drag strip or car meet and they’re all blow through. I do t know it it scales down though? Vacuum leaks will drive you mad. Any unmetered air will cause havoc. God bless you on getting this far.
@Maxzillian
@Maxzillian 3 жыл бұрын
Couple things come to mind with the draw-through: Ideally you should still be pressurizing the fuel tank with something, but obviously the carb is drawing some fuel on its own. Second thing to consider is if the supercharger is leaking air from behind the compressor wheel (through the bearings). This is honestly probably the best explanation for why it's running so weird at part throttle. With the blow-through setup this was never a problem, but with draw-through vacuum will pull air through the bearings if the seals aren't up for it. This leans out the fuel mixture.
@nickldominator
@nickldominator 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, quick side note about the pressure gauges you were using. They made fluid-filled gauges that prevent the needle from jumping everywhere under fast changing conditions (and helps them not become stuck as a result) as with the slight resistance of the fluid, it makes the needle show the 'average' pressure compared to the 'instantaneous' pressure.
@fishtailfistscale8362
@fishtailfistscale8362 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a simple thing that’s causing the performance discrepancy. Step back from it and it will come to you Big Homie. You are the General. Salute
@winstonpratt604
@winstonpratt604 3 жыл бұрын
Never bored with anything you do Johnny I could watch this stuff allday everyday gr8 video bro....👌👌😉
@LitchKB
@LitchKB 3 жыл бұрын
Love your work. Really looking forward to positive displacement supercharger too, will love to see how you solve that challenge.
@gabrielvalencia1395
@gabrielvalencia1395 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing what simple polishing did. Didn’t know that could happen!
@SnizzKid
@SnizzKid 3 жыл бұрын
A little of cigarette filter in the tube that goes to the gauge will stabilize the needle when at iddle, I did that to my gauge (on my actual car) and it worked, careful not to clog it up or add too little and it wont have the desired effect
@AiOinc1
@AiOinc1 3 жыл бұрын
This is still very interesting doesn't matter if it doesn't work. We aren't bored!
@niccsaramin7241
@niccsaramin7241 3 жыл бұрын
every video is just.. relaxing and interesting at the same time. Keep doing it
@larrytemen4789
@larrytemen4789 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing skill my dude! So many people can learn a LOT from you. More people need to take pride in their work like you do.
@captroft
@captroft 3 жыл бұрын
You need a plenum chamber, for a twin cylinder about twice the total engine cc, and also as some have commented here some fluid damping in your gauge. The gauge oscillation is quite interesting, perhaps it indicates that the plenum could be even a little bigger than 2x displacement. 2-3x maybe and try to make it so the supercharger does not actually blow into the intake. So say, blow away from the engine with the supercharger, then into the plenum. Then an exit above the plenum entry so the charge exits toward the engine. That would help to keep pressure pulses at bay. The 1:10 gear looks more like it too. Fantastic builds, keep on keeping on.
@boomerhgt
@boomerhgt 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool little engine lapping those tiny valves took me back to 1973 when I was an apprentice motor mechanic lapping the valves on a Ford Anglia....anyway subbed and likes from me
@brsrc759
@brsrc759 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man I can't believe how much better it sounded after the valve polish. It suddenly sounded excited to do business
@foxygames9555
@foxygames9555 3 жыл бұрын
I like how clean and productive your work space is, Thank You for the awesome vids too
@barryh1388
@barryh1388 3 жыл бұрын
Smallest things make the biggest difference. Great to know about that cheers mate.
@Paul-fz5ef
@Paul-fz5ef 3 жыл бұрын
Always enjoyable to watch the craftsmanship. thanks for the entertainment at work.
@SirDrinksAlot69
@SirDrinksAlot69 3 жыл бұрын
check valve on the gauge should hopfully block it from reading vacuum
@MinicricBreton
@MinicricBreton 3 жыл бұрын
We are not bored with that !! Continue searching you are close !!!! If that cannot work with this engine if it's too small, test it on the 32cc 4 stroke inline 4, that's a bigger engine and this things can be really really cool with a turbocharger or a supercharger !!!!!
@ainuddinaqill
@ainuddinaqill 3 жыл бұрын
Please continue this work..dont ever boring to see that ..
@adambetterley3808
@adambetterley3808 3 жыл бұрын
It's seriously worth saying the centrifugal supercharger is not boring, after seeing you make it so long ago I wanted nothing but to see it in action and I'm loving the progress you're making and I know it would be a ton of work but perhaps if you made the impeller larger you could make more boost without spinning it faster? Also a positive displacement sounds dope, with either way keep doing you. I love your content
@sinegra30
@sinegra30 3 жыл бұрын
Now that's what I'm talking about! If you put a little charge/effort to the engine's output, exhaust gases are going to come out with more pressure and speed spinning the turbo way better, and is going to be easier to tune, you can try putting a small electric generator in the engine as a mean of adding a charge to the crankshaft
@P_double_H
@P_double_H 3 жыл бұрын
I remember myself lapping valves when I was a kid at my father's garage... Oh the good ol times!
@jdmjesus6103
@jdmjesus6103 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. I think the 3psi is believable as the boost from a centrifugal blower rises almost exponentially with shaft speed, up to a point. I did wonder why you went the hard way instead of going with a positive displacement but you explained it at the end. That noise it makes at 16k tho... awesome.
@angrybill
@angrybill 3 жыл бұрын
You sure as hell haven't bored me. I love to see your work.
@Skulljeep00
@Skulljeep00 3 жыл бұрын
Just my 2 cents on the tuning issue: It appears the fuel isn't atomizing enough and it's pooling into the supercharger. That may be why your pressure goes up soo much because fluid doesnt compress. Also causing it to run away on you too, since it's basically a small diesel (no spark plugs). I'd bring the carb down a step and run more fuel with the smaller carb, or go back to the blow through setup you had before. That's what they did on the 80's era Buick's with the v6 turbo. Worked well for a gas vehicle. On a diesel mindset: A supercharger that moves air and fluid has more "open" clearances that aren't as tight because the non-compressable fluid and air both running through it. That's a lesson from Gale Banks who's a genius with this stuff. I highly recommend his channel if you haven't seen it yet. Love the content and keep up the good work! 👍
@lifuranph.d.9440
@lifuranph.d.9440 3 жыл бұрын
JonnyQ90, addressing your issue with the vacuum/pressure gage fluctuation quandary, you might employ a ''Fluid Damped'' gage. Basically, the workings of the gage are immersed in a nearly, colourless viscous fluid that slows down the majority of the erratic fluctuations in the gage. I actually made a fluid damped gage myself, in a far off land, during a critical aeroplane emergency. I prising off the bezel with the lens and filled the gage cavity completely full with a nearly colourless viscous liquid. We had a local denizen boil up some sugar cane juice until it was about the viscosity between ''light [clear] corn syrup'' and ''type 3 brake fluid''. Then when the gage was filled, sealed the lens to the bezel with ''rubber tree sap'' then wrapped ''black electrical tape'' around the gage housing to seal against the viscous fluid leaking It worked, but we were still captured anyway...please don't ask where. HaHa!
@MNTNMAN-SUCA
@MNTNMAN-SUCA 3 жыл бұрын
A single thumbs up doesn't do you justice brother! THANK YOU FOR SHARING
@MegaEmmanuel09
@MegaEmmanuel09 3 жыл бұрын
That pulley is comically large and I love it
@JammoOfficial
@JammoOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Pure engineering skills that's why I'm studying it cause we can do stuff like this
@fkyew
@fkyew 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the awesome work!! So close to the Holy Grail so don't give up. Try finding an oil damped gauge cuz what is killing the gauge is needle oscillations ( it's moving way too fast). Years ago I ran across a book dealing with artificial boost for internal combustion engine design when I was playing around with turbo design for my bikes trying to eliminate most of the turbo lag. If you can find it, or something similar, that may help. Just keep at it cuz it is fascinating to watch you work. You have a talent that most don't. Can't wait to see you begin porting and stroking it (hint, hint).
@ZJMK605
@ZJMK605 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is like DJ Khaled with these videos. Another one!
@craigbrett672
@craigbrett672 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely not bored with this, I am willing it to work!
@ashiehakoto1490
@ashiehakoto1490 Жыл бұрын
why I like to polish every moving part or wear part to a mirror finish, or anywhere where flow happens. less resistance to motion, turbulance to flow, and tighter the meet up, usually makes for more power and reliability, and makes the oil and coolant's job easier, especially since polished surfaces reflect heat more and wont absorb it as much, making cooling more efficient usually.
@ClaytonRone
@ClaytonRone 3 жыл бұрын
Super excited to see the new car run! Great Job!
@mickmuzzmkmz1628
@mickmuzzmkmz1628 3 жыл бұрын
I personally, am not bored with the centrifugal s/c! I like watching you experiment with different setups. Maybe after you make the positive displacement s/c, you should perhaps try to convert the centrifugal s/c to a turbo by making a centre section, turbine (and housing), with a mini waste gate. It would probably be better on the 4cyl engine though. Also, maybe using those reusable zip ties may be worthwhile, as you wouldn't need to buy so many!😅 Anyway, I always get excited when I see a notification from your channel, so keep those cool videos coming!
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