Persona 3 Reload - Elizabeth Boss Fight - 7 Turn Kill / No DLC / No Magic Mastery / Merciless

Well this fight can be cleared in 4 to 5 minutes now. In the remake, Elizabeth has 3 different phases, a new change from the original. First phase is fairly similar to the fight in the original game. Second phase begins when Elizabeth's HP is under 13,000, in this phase we have to get her HP to below 10,000 as soon as possible in order to get into phase three, otherwise she nukes us with Megidolaon. However, we can take advantage of the second phase by repelling her own God's Hand with Repel Strike + Endures, and skipping about the other half of the fight (phase three). We can use both Endure and Enduring Soul to tank two of her 9999 Megidolaons in between her God's Hand. Make sure her HP is below 10,000 after she gets her own God's Hand repelled and immediately cast Armageddon, otherwise she will use Diarahan, spams more Megidolaons and we lose.
Chapters
00:00 The Fight
04:00 Persona Builds & Equipment
#persona3reload #persona3 #p3

[@Zrego]

Edit: 6-Turn Kill Elizabeth fight is here > kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2rIZYSgatx8eKMsi=XqIUgXbKFPwT_LRH Original comment: Apparently this can be brought down to 6 turn kill or """maybe""" lower. I forgot about the fortune teller in Escapade being able to make us charge up Theurgia faster, which renders that stalling for time with Heat Riser irrelevant.

[@menyesparzapineda5288]

I used cendrilion like your oni but change slash boost with driver And only deals 3000 dmg 99 level and strength

[@Zrego]

@@menyesparzapineda5288 you should stack slash boost+amp+driver + multitarget boost, debuff Liz, buff and charge yourself

[@menyesparzapineda5288]

@@Zrego yes I did that just replace slash boost with slash driver, in the end I defeated too but it take 2 turns more, I use fuuka to charge the theurgy and make a lot of dmg the 2 turns extra was for charge another atk and the theurgy

[@egthatyoutubes8094]

bro i cannot with her "aaHrAhRarAhRaA" spam whenever she acts

[@p3xddb]

only in japan...

[@nijimavtuber]

It's only on misses.

[@IndoGunsnGear]

Thats why Elizabeth is best girl

[@jampinjax9194]

I'm so happy people are using Oni. You are very based for that.

[@takeyourtime5025]

he is really good in mid game (yabbasah)!

[@VannNightcore]

fuckin elizabeth reminding everyone of SMT 3 Fiend Pixie lmfaoooo

[@omeiga]

ughhh this game looks so beautiful

[@acezero10]

Yooo nice going, glad someone finally made this instead of the long 20 - 30 mins fight. I always end up fumble during that phase transition and can't just get enough damage for the God Hand's counter (my luck to repel that is so sh*t too).

[@foonul]

NICEEEE the repel with enduring soul and endure, huge brain

[@user-iy9gw2ec8k]

ARARARARA

[@CLion51]

Wow that was very good! Thx I'll try to use that build I hope it's effective on my run

[@_KingBlur]

I cant wait for the build videoes to start rolling

[@mawl]

I need them too

[@richthekidd2471]

Thank you am for this guide, I tried many many times and I used this one and won :,)

[@dog.friend]

Based and Onipilled.

[@mastermindmonokuma]

Very nice I just beat her myself, though I did it straight the full 3 phases. In both cases you need to be careful of the damage output, Theurgy timing and Revelation. Phase 3 is tricky because she SEEMS to be randomly changing persona but its actually a decided pattern with some variation every now and again. Admittedly I could have min maxed some more to make the fight easier but there is fun to be had playing at a disadvantage. Telos is very useful against Elizabeth in general due to resisting everything, making him a safe persona for phase 3, which is why i built him as a physical attacker. Regardless awesome job I always appreciate persona crafting taken to an extreme be it in royal challenge battles to get the highest score or for having an easier time with bosses. Personally I prefer new Elizabeth because it felt less repetitive and keeps you on your toes.

[@Guitar.Gemini]

I’m glad you had the patience to get that perfect team together. I’m having a hell of a time against her.

[@RazeluxeMeitzen7]

Thank you! I beat her today with your guide

[@cbake52]

How long did it take to farm for the persona stats? Was it mostly just an absurd amount of money to buy gems for incense?

[@Augzzz]

Awesome video, I tried to replicate it but I restarted for over 1 hour and still couldn't get the 7 turn clear due to several RNG factors: 1. You have to crit on scarlet havoc, and it has to be a 5k+ roll. I barely failed when I low rolled 4.9k 2. She has to use concentrate + diamond dust when switching to jack frost. If she uses Rakukaja + diamond dust you'll miss the kill 3. When she switches to Thor she has to NOT use tarunda or similarly you'll miss the kill 4. Fuuka thuergy must give you the concentrate boost for your morning star. There's a chance you roll heat riser on Fuuka theurgy instead and well that's most likely a restart. 5. Finally you need to not low roll any of the attacks if not you'll barely miss the kill. I got mad at failing all the RNG checks and just decided to do it properly and got the kill by stalling longer in first phase to ensure I do enough damage that RNG won't fuck me over. The reflect tech was very useful though so thanks for that.

[@John75ify]

I just beat her and it took quite a toll, my personas were definitely not as optimal, I had a bunch which would repel/null stuff so it was a mess (didn't even have orpheus telos cause I hadn't done amada's link for michael). Is shift amp there for a reason on the elemental personas? Does it actually work? Also, do her personas have a hidden weakness not shown in the analysis? e.g. why you use panta rhei on thor? My 99str persona god's hand crit with strike amp + boost, single target boost, atk up and def down on elizabeth didn't do anywhere near your thanatos' dmg

[@Augzzz]

I definitely think there's a "hidden weakness" not shown in analysis. I also tried using other spells on the Thor turn but it doesn't hit as hard as Panta Rhei even if they are not resisted. Similarly for inferno on jack frost, diamond dust on surtr etc. they just hit harder despite it not being an actual weakness

[@browserjunior4707]

There’s a hidden weakness system with the Elizabeth fight where she does take increased damage based on the persona she has but if you do this she’ll also skip a persona in the queue. Normally she operates on a queue system where she goes: Surt -> Jack -> Thor -> Cu -> Metatron -> Alice -> Nebiros -> Masakado then it loops again. By hitting anyone one of these with a weakness you skip the next persona switch in the queue, which could end up messing you over if you don’t have any resists to the next persona in line. She also likes to alternate moves after the first queue ends, she’ll either Tarukaja + Brave Blade on Surt or go for another Inferno it’s very inconsistent

[@marioagainsttheworld6248]

DLC version when? 👀 Also, I had made some calculations that if you combine one of the exclusive Drivers+Boost+Amp+Magic Ability+ Magic Mastery+Single Target Boost= 240% of damage

[@Poxxus]

There is so much luck involved in this and its driving me crazy. Fuuka needs to give you charge and focus, but she tends to buff your stats since she uses rakunda. You also need to crit the first turn with a high roll damage, pantarhei needs to hit and also high roll, elizabeth cannot buff her defense or debuff your attack on these first turns as well. Overall, while in the video it seems pretty easy, its actually super hard to get everything to line up perfectly, lots of grind for the best rng.

[@gee_kaz]

How long did it take for you to grind out those Persona? Also JP Elizabeth is great

[@Zrego]

That Oni has been with me ever since midgame, the rest of the Personas took about 5-6 hours of grinding money for incenses.

[@tbnwontpop8857]

@@Zrego The perfect waifu

[@GoldKunProductions]

Is amazing for me seeing bulids for fast kill elizabeth but i'm wonder if i can reply that on HARD and if is necessary have lvl99 personas xD

[@omegaweapon116]

That's what sucks. It seems you need to be able to do Armageddon to fight her. I didn't have Helel on my first playthrough

[@spacecat278]

how much of a difference does almighty amp make when attempting this? Ive been having horrid luck trying to get it

[@cesarpro2578]

Mi teurgias subió de 2k a 3k 😂

[@andrehvk_]

How did you max all these personas? Did you farm incense?

[@browserjunior4707]

Leveling Up through the reaper can save some incenses though it’s likely they just bought the gemstones needed for the incenses, and because reaper is easy to farm with Armageddon + Life Aid/Victory Cry you can get loads of money easily

[@renzturner8821]

I built my Thanatos and Messiah the same as yours since I got Wind/Ice Amp and boost card which make it easier to build. Thanks a lot for this guide I finally managed to pull it off after days of farming HAHAHAHA

[@jokerzyrantgaming8070]

Can you do a video of how to get certain skills for certain personas you used for a fight?

[@Zrego]

I don't plan on making this kind of videos because that will take a very long time, sorry. However, I suggest checking out a fusion calculator page like aqiu384 to help yourself to cook some good personas (I used that page myself). Hope this helps.

[@Animedingo]

How are you doing 4 digits of spell damage without concentrate? Whats your equipment?

[@tera3833]

merciless mode plus maxed out personas

[@crimsonninja5090]

@@tera3833 No. The real reason is that he has the shuffle time bonus cup active. The Queen level variant. Which gives you charge + concentrate. So the initial attacks are boosted damage. Then he rolls charge/concentrate from Theurgy to get another boosted shot with morning star

[@oliver6969]

I can't personally confirm if this is true or not but I've heard that all theurgies use the average of your Mg and Str stats when calculating damage, so for maximum damage you would need to max out both stats regardless of whether the theurgy is physical or magical. I'm not sure if this could enable you to kill her in less turns as I haven't attempted it but I've almost completed building my personas to attempt killing her in as few turns as possible - it probably won't be the difference between 7 turns and 6 turns though.

[@lucamunafo1414]

it's true i just tested it and it changed by a lot

[@browserjunior4707]

You’d probably be able to but I think what would end up happening is either accidentally starting Phase 2 immediately and not being able to farm another theurgy

[@sil9411]

i dont know about the other theurgies but scarlet havoc dealt the exact same damage when i went from 54 ma to 99

[@haisex3]

Does Crit Rate Boost and Amp stack with Apt Pupil in this game?

[@Zrego]

yes, they break the game lol

[@leumis8139]

My Thanatos failed Morningstar just before Charge + Godhand and Elizabeth survived Armageddon 💔 (i didn't know that Morningstar can fail)

[@BleedingDaze01]

Question. Does she just automatically one shot you after she gets to certain health? That would mean wed have to have some kind of endure or something and that would kind of suck.

[@Zrego]

She will use 9999 Megidolaon after using Nebiros if her HP is below 13K

[@BleedingDaze01]

@@Zrego well that's kinda lame. Just imagine if I went into this fight without knowing she'd do that.

[@Terumimi]

​@@BleedingDaze01 basically with elizabeth you need to plan EVERYTHING out in advance. And when i say everything, i mean EVERYTHING. you need to have like a calculator on hand because in certain health ranges she will do NOTHING BUT USE 9999 MEGIDOLAON. It's not like the other velvet sibling fights where it's an all out brawl, this is more of a puzzle fight to figure out how to kill her in the first place.

[@BleedingDaze01]

@@Terumimi admittedly that kind of takes the fun out of it having to use certain builds to fight her, but from what I've heard it's not nearly as bad as it was in the originals.

[@Zrego]

@@BleedingDaze01 You basically need to use Theurgia like crit Scarlet Havoc after she uses Nebiros when her HP is below 13K, she will stop using 9999 Megidolaon if you manage to get her HP to below 10K. But there's that funny Repel Strike exploit that skips the final phase like I did in this vid lmao.

[@Jason00765]

Did you get the double damage from shuffle time at the beginning?

[@Zrego]

ofc

[@ee_vee28]

what type of major arcana is that?

[@browserjunior4707]

@@ee_vee28 Minor Arcana: Cups Look for J Cups or Arcana burst a Q one, look for anything that says “First attack will deal more than double damage”

[@brandito5480]

@@ee_vee28 its a higher level Cups card

[@lemonov3031]

What are those builds my guy, how long did you grind

[@XTCintense]

I thought i grinded alot getting everyone to 99. His skill setup really took planning lol

[@videowatcher3297]

I don't get it how come when I attack her 1st she insta kills me?

[@hugor1065]

is this in NG+ or just in 1 run? I know than u cannot inherit a lot if items/levels/personas in merciless

[@Kek393]

NG+ merciless is regular new game. The only thing you keep are finished S Link souvenirs and costumes.

[@Zrego]

this is a fresh playthrough

[@pragerugraduate4993]

​@@Kek393 you also keep all items, money, compendium and stats

[@Kek393]

@@pragerugraduate4993 not on merciless

[@pragerugraduate4993]

@@Kek393 why would you not keep stats and compendium on merciless that's the stupidest shit ever

[@heruoktafiandikusuma8704]

How do u build resistance in Saki Mitama ? The element resistance outside light & dark.

[@fariedcorner605]

using skill card

[@user-ec3ib4lj7u]

How do you create saki mitama with all those resist affinity?... Or coz omnipotent orb?

[@browserjunior4707]

You can buy Res Phys from the antique shop but for Resist dark and light you’ll have to grind for them on lowers floors. Omnipotent Orb nulls all damage except Almighty, and Elizabeth will punish you for doing that with instant megidolaons

[@user-ec3ib4lj7u]

@@browserjunior4707 but saki mitama basic stat doesn't have all those resist. And your persona skill doesn't inherit passive skill that can resist. How is that even possible?

[@SaShA6572]

@@user-ec3ib4lj7u Unlike p5r in this game It have normally fire, ice, elec, wind resist, add to that skill cards light, dark, phys resists and you have basically same Ortheus Tellos, the only need is use essenses to boost stats.

[@naturalprodigy8223]

I beat the reaper in my first playthrough but for some reason I still can't go through the monad door at the end of the place it says I require something else but doesn't specify what

[@Zrego]

Accept the elizabeth boss fight request and do not bring a single party member.

[@naturalprodigy8223]

@@Zrego would it be in the requests menu after the reaper is beaten

[@Zrego]

@@naturalprodigy8223 it should be after you cleared the reaper fight request

[@naturalprodigy8223]

@@Zrego maybe I got a glitch I checked Elizabeth's requests and it says number 100 bring me a bloody button and says done next to it guess I'll have to do it next playthrough

[@jeddybongo...]

@@naturalprodigy8223you have to bring elizibeth to your room in order for the request to be there

[@efemji]

LV 99 SAKI MITAMA WITH RESIST ALL GANG LMAOO

[@IndoGunsnGear]

Ah yes, a fellow Jp voice enjoyer, theres like only 7 of us

[@tranlewlinign9592]

What a wonderful idea to skip the diarahan! High risk though.

[@kentan9387]

Why didn't you straightaway attack on 3rd turn with fire when she has jack frost equipped? Is it bc the theurgy couldn't charge fast enough to use fuuka's theurgy? That's why you need to stall using heat riser

[@Zrego]

yeah, read my pinned comment

[@Capitanazo01]

even difficulty peaceful killed again and again🤬🤬🤬

[@shaggyblanco9821]

Would charging your Scarlet Havoc make that faster or would that just game end u

[@Zrego]

It was already charged with a Cup card from shuffle time. (Charges the first phys and magic attacks for the next battle after you get the card)

[@shaggyblanco9821]

@@Zrego oh nice, forgot about that being a thing now

[@homerthompson416]

@@Zrego Is this a J level card or a Q level one? I only see Q level ones for the first card I get after an arcana burst. Is that when I have to get that card?

[@Sl0th150]

What are the best persona’s in your opinion w/o dlc?

[@Zrego]

Oni, Messiah, Thanatos (yes he's okay now), Saki Mitama, Narcissus, Oberon, Shiva, Siegfried, Chernobog, Anubis. Oh and Orpheus Telos if you manage to max all SLs (which I don't because I can have skill issue, but Telos has never been mandatory lol). Honestly there's a lot.

[@Sl0th150]

@@Zregothank you for the fast response. I’ll have to check out Thanatos again, I was just assuming Alice would be better.

[@AdacherTheCabbageEater]

​@@Zregoif you had Telos for what role would you use him in this fight?

[@Zrego]

@@AdacherTheCabbageEater maybe... maybe not... this fight is so easy now that Telos is very unnecessary. I mean he was never mandatory in fes and p3p but he helped with his innate resistances because Liz used to hit hard back then.

[@AdacherTheCabbageEater]

@@Zrego sadly they made her easier for new players, I wanted them to have a taste of High Counter RNG

[@randiannahdi]

How is she doesnt spam megidolaon when u have reflect persona?

[@Zrego]

They changed the way she uses the 9999 Megidolaons in this game. Instead of immediately using it when she detects a null/repel/absorb like in the original, she will now only use the 9999 Megidolaon after she uses the nulled attack.

[@Capitanazo01]

how do u do to make her miss all her hits?

[@Kek393]

How do you get Almighty Amp, just fusion accident?

[@Zrego]

Skill mutation. mutate Almighty Boost into it or try to mutate any rank 7 skills (Deathbound, Heatwave, etc) into Almighty Amp, which is a rank 8 skill.

[@ItsYourXLNC]

skill change.

[@thanetkerdnoul9132]

Pls tell me how to know the rank of skill for mutating and did persona5 have rank to? @@Zrego

[@Sonamy5673]

Is it easier than the original? Cus I couldn’t beat her boss in p3p and I kinda give up but I want to try for this one 💀

[@JohnSmithlol2584]

I'm doing it now and bro I had to look it up because I'm cooked 💀

[@tbnwontpop8857]

If you do all this grinding like in OP's video to max out all of these Personas, then yeah it's definitely easier. I didn't max out anyone except Orpheus Telos (I used an Almighty build which after watching this video was clearly a mistake lol) and the difficulty wound up being comparable to the fight in FES.

[@plsrember]

​@@JohnSmithlol2584it's bs that's why

[@cloudshifter]

Gamers: Fromsoft bosses are so hard Persona 3 and Reload players: That's cute, hold my megidolaon for a sec. *Dies from 9999*

[@PASomethingorOther]

that was a sick diarahan skip. great use of the mf who reflects physical

[@tbnwontpop8857]

>Diarahan in MegaTen Superbosses We skip those

[@tuccimane]

Idk bro i followed the persona you got built. I do the same opening sequence and she uses different abilities and spams almighty until i die. Ive broker 2 controllers fighting her. Im done.

[@scar7379]

She uses Megidolaon if u break any rules which are not reaching 50 turns for the whole fight, you must not Block, Drain, or Repel any of her attacks and you must not use Armageddon early on

[@tuccimane]

@@scar7379 I appreciate the insight. I gotta beat Elizabeth!

[@scar7379]

@@tuccimane no problem man good luck

[@vicentegonzalez1513]

Is it really impossible to win the fight without using Armageddon? It's starting to get boring that everyone uses it

[@zaqareemalcolm]

Armageddon is mandatory to finish the fight, because after the second time you drop her HP to 10 000 or less, she'll start spamming her 9999 Megidolaon.

[@venomsnake6850]

That yugioh reference

[@_CrimsonBlade]

Me: i think im clever so i use Armageddon thinking it would one shot her..welp that didnt work

[@cezmark.]

Finally someone playing japanese thank you

[@Raging]

My 99 atk, slash boost, slash amp, multi boost, crit, charged scarlet havoc is not doing anywhere near 5.2k...

[@Zrego]

I recommend checking out my updated video on this, get both your St and Ma stats to 99 (theurgia scale on both of them), start the battle with auto charge+concentrate cup cards from shuffle time.

[@Raging]

@@Zrego Thank you, having theurgies scale off of both st and ma is weird as hell, but my scarlet havoc ended up doing 5.6k, wanted to try this one as I didn't want to rely on 2 crits.

[@hopeestheim7285]

Also EN Elizabeth is great because Tara Platt she return back as Elizabeth again

[@nijimavtuber]

JP is much better.

[@lemonov3031]

The dub sucks my guy. Some characters are fine, but 30 y/o sounding Akihiko and side characters fucking kill that thing. Sawashiro as Elizabeth is also infinitely better.

[@hopeestheim7285]

@@nijimavtuber I told you. You're smoking too much.

[@weisssss]

u will never be japanese@@lemonov3031

[@birdtunes6199]

Does anyone know what causes the ai to change into pixie with megidolaon?

[@kennethkemp7094]

You can't have a persona reflect any of her attacks otherwise she will spam jack frost (concentrate) and pixie (megidolaon) till you die. Resist is fine just have the appropriate gear and persona and the fight is not that bad

[@rahmansepti540]

I need to know how to get almighty amp

[@Zrego]

Mutate it from Almighty Boost or mutate rank 7 skills into Almighty Amp (rank 8). Some examples of rank 7 skills are Deathbound, Heat Wave.

[@e-tan3911]

​@@Zrego Is there a consistent way to trigger mutations in this game or do I just have to be lucky?

[@Zrego]

@@e-tan3911 I heard from people on discord saying they're more common when it's close to full moons.

[@xaviersejour9183]

Is that cheating? Would anything survive the 9999 Theurgy? She had about half life

[@The5thGenGuru]

she has 20000 total hp

[@noob-kun7768]

Never got lucky with almighty amp. My skill change turn into garbage

[@Zrego]

I got almighty amp mutated from deathbound/heat wave. almighty amp is a rank 8 skill, deathbound and heat wave are both rank 7. you can try your luck by mutating it from Almighty Boost or you can also do what I did with rank 7 skills.

[@Bladehound83]

@@Zrego Are there any circumstances/fusions that make skill mutations more likely to occur? Or can I just jam anything that will produce the ones you mentioned together until it works?

[@ZephyrAeon1337]

iirc the New Moon phase allows for increased fusion accident chances. I'm currently working up to the New Moon on my playthrough to get Almighty Amp as well​@@Bladehound83

[@Zrego]

@@Bladehound83 I heard they occur more common when it's close to full moons but I didn't test it. If that's actually the case, take advantage of it. Or you can just save scum until you get it.

[@Bladehound83]

@@Zrego Ended up getting it from Resist Physical inherited by Messiah (I've come to the realization that Telos isn't happening on my first playthrough but want to take a crack at Elizabeth anyway). Wasn't even actively going for it yet either, lmao.

[@poppinime5638]

bro....i wish you make this walkthrough

[@purplev1nce842]

Save up skill cards

[@mattiaquarta7644]

Yoo wtf are these stats 💀

[@Soul.Master.802]

fusion guide pls

[@alens8416]

Another modded video. I have exact stats and only 1900dmg. Blocked

[@patrickkwon3351]

Yo reaper fight?

[@Zrego]

That guy is nothing, bro got one shotted with crit Scarlet Havoc before i had access to Armageddon.

[@dantegallardo1974]

Wait she never healed?? 😮

[@stewartkuzunoha408]

He bypass it by repelling the attack causing Elizabeth to go for endless Megidolaon and endure the 1st one. This is really smart since the fight is shorter thx to that

[@StarburststreamV2]

P3P Elizabeth = God P3R Elizabeth = cockroach So disappointing how they made her so easy in reload.

[@jackiefriday636]

Bro the persona 3 Japanese is so bad compared to English

[@FallingStar1080]

Should played the English dub

[@revivedkyoumahououin1585]

No dude. Dubs are trash

[@RareT888]

Dub is bad

[@FallingStar1080]

If you're a dweeb just say that 🤷‍♂️ the English dub in this game is fantastic especially for Fuuka and Yuko. Weirdos.

[@KeepingItcool-hk3wi]

​@@revivedkyoumahououin1585bad take considering the dub is actually pretty good

[@revivedkyoumahououin1585]

@@KeepingItcool-hk3wi no it isn't. Subs are always superior.

[@Melkwegkat]

Dead game