Persona 3: Reload | P3MC VS Elizabeth [Ultimate Boss]

[@Suhcra-Sensei]

(This is only a General Guide for this fight) Sorry, haven't nailed down any patterns or Persona other than Telos that are good for this fight MC LV 99 Normal Equips- Orpheus Telos Weapon: Excalibur(+100 Sp) Body Armor: Armor of Light (+ High Mag resistance) Accessory: Divine Pillar (Halve All damage; You cannot evade) she can only be challenged in a New Cycle playthrough or your initial one if you've beaten the reaper. Make sure whatever persona you use does not Null, Absorb, or Reflect anything. Don't even use -Karn skills. She will kill you. (Your equipped Persona can have these resistances, but if Elizabeth's attacks are ever drained, Nulled or reflected; Game over) Get a calculator and start subtracting all the damage you do, starting from 20,000. Get her below 13,000 the first time, and she'll begin to instakill you the next turn unless you quickly get her under 10,000HP I HIGHLY recommend a persona with the skill "Enduring Soul" and wearing a piece of equipment with "Endure" so you can get a second chance on this part. In fact I'm pretty sure this is mandatory for this fight. After that she'll heal, so Start back again at 20,000HP and calculate down. Get her down below 10,000 again and This time prepare yourself for a 9999 Megidolaon. You NEED to have an Enduring Soul or Endure active to survive this part or it's over. After she does this, QUICKLY use armageddon. Timing for your special attacks is Key!! (Any long pauses are me putting how much damage I've done in a calculator.)

[@albertosanches5945]

I'm sorry why can you only resist? Does the game cheat if you have anything other than resist/weak/neutral?

[@watwotwhat7489]

looks like she still has the same rules in FES

[@FoxHoundUnit90]

She has a strict rule set that if you break(such as having null) she’ll instantly kill you

[@fleurdetristesse5218]

jesus christ

[@Suhcra-Sensei]

@@albertosanches5945 Yes resists are prefered here It is okay to have a persona equipped that can Null, Drain and reflect but if Elizabeth's attacks are ever stopped by these during the fight, she'll 9999 Megidolaon you until you die.

[@Yammatti]

Who would have thought atlus would make calculators meta again

[@himerin3576]

Also another tip is DON'T bring any Counter/High Counter skills, it counts as repel and she will instantly Megidolaon

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

It didn't count against you in older releases (and, with some luck, could even be used to bypass her heal). Are you saying for certain that having a Counter-type passive does count against you in Reload?

[@himerin3576]

@@steam-powereddolphin5449 yep its confirmed. They fixed the counter strat

[@littlebloodymooneporo]

​@@steam-powereddolphin5449just having them doesnt trigger her megidolaon, but if by chance the skill activates and reflects her damage, its megidolaon time

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

@@littlebloodymooneporo But does that matter if you precisely calculate your damage until she's barely above 10,000 HP, switch to your High Counter Persona, repeatedly guard and heal, and pray that she physically attacks and takes reflected damage on her second action of any turn?

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

​@@steam-powereddolphin5449Her 9999 Megidolaon triggers automatically if the rules are broken, and it doesn' take up her two actions. If you nreak the rules, 9999 Megidolaon will be used instantly

[@DarkKirby8976]

Elizabeth: I bring you Megidolaon. Makoto/MC: I bring you... ARMAGEDDON!!!!

[@Skyrura]

Based MK reference

[@BlufireTheifprince]

Also a Persona 4 arena reference.

[@nuspas]

11:54 Atlus really loves giving super bosses Diarahan when at 50% HP, huh...?

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

Based

[@paperluigi6132]

Since they only do it once, it’s to give them more health than they are able to. In this case, Elle-P basically has 30,000 HP.

[@dragonvessel6510]

Originally you had to calculate her HP so that this wouldn't happen since the original Elizabeth could cast Diarahan infinite times, to do this you had to equip a ring which had a certain chance of reflecting melee attacks, reaching the point where her health is almost halfway through you should let her hit you until his health is below 9999 and use Armageddon to finish her

[@Xiaolruc]

@@dragonvessel6510 'Equip a ring'? I know there's accessories that can provide High Counter, but that would necessitate not being able to equip Divine Pillar. For the original Persona 3, it's better to acquire High Counter as a skill on one or more personas.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

if it makes you feel any better; back when square was just Squaresoft, SaGa 1's final boss, God/Creator had Cure4 on him and he could do it anytime he wanted.

[@milesstorzillo7650]

With these battle quotes, Elizabeth may as well be a Yugioh character.

[@recordkeepertype0662]

Ahem: DORO! PERUSONA CARDO!

[@zuheiender4494]

Makotos jp voice is also Edo Phenex's from GX so this can also be considered his graduation duel akin to that of Jadens

[@zetamangads]

​@@zuheiender4494Aster/Edo shoots himself:cmon Destiny Hero Dystopia Guy Jaden: WTF Meanwhile Makoto: I Fusion summon Black Frost

[@enrique16ish]

Elizabeth: And now- Makoto: *HERE COMES LUCIFER AND SATAN* Elizabeth: OH FU-

[@easyscout8369]

I love how Elizabeth is arguably one of the hardest boss fights in not just Persona but JRPGs in general. And she has a Pixie and a Jack Frost

[@levintine777]

Nah, that title still goes to Demi-fiend from Digital Devil Saga

[@neoterumi4772]

They said ONE of, not THE hardest boss. Also if you wanna be technical Persona and SMT are separate worlds

[@Lonewulf321]

Pretty easy compared to DDS demifiend though

[@Lonewulf321]

@@neoterumi4772 unless you believe in the multiverse theory

[@blurb9319]

@@Lonewulf321there does exist a multiverse in SMT but Persona seems to be an entirely separate continuity considering the lack of YHVH (Yaldaboath being the closest)

[@Did_No_Wrong]

As usual Elizabeth is still one of the hardest Velvet Attendant fights.

[@robjoker3786]

She is a joke in p3 reload unfortunately, they make our girl dirty with those nerfs :(

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

she's still unbelivabley powerful for most folks.@@robjoker3786

[@JohnnyFish971]

U keep forgeting the male attendant too

[@quadro3904]

what nerfs and why?

[@JohnnyFish971]

@@quadro3904 less scripted and she no longer uses many high damage moves and uses buffs and debuffs going from what i seen

[@Skeppy4126]

2:43 It Was So Powerful It Took The Quality To Hell

[@romiarkan450]

Glad it's still a strictly 1v1 fight

[@JohnnyFish971]

U can bring more Trust me

[@sergiosalazar8702]

@@JohnnyFish971💀

[@hazumi8739]

​@@sergiosalazar8702 not wrong thought

[@goroadachi9489]

@@JohnnyFish971 Elizabeth: Pools open, water’s fine. Yukari: No thanks, we’ll just watch.

[@light6666]

the most chad powerplay any persona user can do.. having a pixie of all things deal 9999 damage with medigoloan

[@waltuh-bi6gw]

Makoto: ... you call THAT a "great finale"? THIS is a great finale. Elizabeth: ... uh oh.

[@haisex3]

Can’t believe they didn’t have a trophy/achievement for beating her lol

[@newguy335]

Wait, they don't?!

[@namieblinker5922]

Okay now I'm disappointed.

[@CrustyNug01]

I'm guessing it's because they don't want achievements to be hidden behind hard challenges for the completion ist or achievement hunters. Maybe Idk I'm not Atlus.

[@General_C]

Royal's achievements sucked too... What's the big idea?

[@itsbosco1025]

@@General_C But royal got the in game achievement in the thieves den

[@rahmansepti540]

Since infinity didn't exist,her fight got nerf

[@marsh1270]

What is infinity ?

[@rahmansepti540]

@@marsh1270 fusion spell/theurgy can tank Elizabeth megidolaon

[@mysteryboii4869]

Yep they nerf Masakado's Megidolaon which is shame

[@Mehetti]

​@marsh1270 infinity was a fushion spell with Vishnu and Anata that, when casted, made you completely invulnerable to everything, including almighty attacks. This was improtant as Elizabeth would summon Masakado at the end of her cycle of personas to deal a megidolaon that did 9999 damage, basically unsurvivable without infinity

[@marsh1270]

@@Mehetti so she is stronger now ?

[@hennyspiderman9974]

Elizabeth story needs its conclusion. I know she still looking for a way to unseal Makoto

[@Weigazod]

That's the conclusion I believe.

[@huleyn135]

atlus will never reach a conclusion because it'd be a major story beat that they can't milk with a spinoff. and they won't do a persona 3-2 , they prefer new casts with mainline games.

[@hennyspiderman9974]

@@huleyn135 they can include her in persona 6 and make Erebus the antagonist

[@ZX-Gear]

Persona Fans don't deserve it.

[@orlandomoreno6168]

I'm surprised she can't just megidolaon Erebus out...

[@shafayetahmed6955]

Good to know Igor gives a living wage to the attendants

[@cyberqueen7784]

Thank you for the guide! Super helpful! This is a fight I’ve always wanted to do. The last time I fought against the Velvet Room attendants was Caroline and Justine in P5 vanilla.

[@anthonythomas305]

Elizabeth is still the ultimate Velvet Attendant in Persona

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

I'd argue Lavenza is way harder than all iterations of Liz, and it's not even close

[@Cakespresso]

The twins in p5:

[@qazisgone7292]

​@@Cakespressothey're the easiest though

[@smurphy55656]

​@@kichiroumitsurugi4363how so? Feels like her lizs fight is way harder with her rule set

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@smurphy55656 Lavenza by comparison has RNG shenanigans. Failing to crit every turn during the crit phase, getting critted yourself, Final Guard proccing too early leaving you defenseless vs her Megidolaon, quite a few things can go wrong

[@justingraeb2206]

I've been waiting for this

[@lichrallyanaitmareluv9116]

FINALLY MY SWEET BLUE ANGEL IS REMASTERED

[@sandsan9838]

have you seen the fight? more like blue devil. and thats one of the reasons shes my favorite attendant.

[@mahiru20ten]

It's odd that they don't have Infinity in this game, and many other fusion spells too. Guess they adjusted the fight due to the facts some fusion spells are missing (like Masakado's Megidolaon being nerfed)

[@bronzeoliniisnotfunny7885]

I'd be willing to bet it's because there's already so much going in this game & with how big it probably already is, that they just couldn't put all the OG fusion spells in, or they just didn't have enough time to put them in. I imagine making the animations/sounds & all that for each fusion spell was hard enough as it was.

[@JohnnyFish971]

Wait for Ultimate edition in a year or so

[@NoCturnusBB]

To be fair, half of the Fusion Spells were pretty disappointing and forgettable, and could be replaced by ordinary moves

[@mahiru20ten]

@@NoCturnusBB and all the returning spells other than Cadenza and Armageddon are improved, like Jack Brothers now also dealing almighty damage instead of just knocking down enemies, Best Friends now gives Charge and/or Focus instead of Heat Riser effect, Scarlet Havoc and King & I ignore resistance (which is probably why they don't bring the other physical/elemental fusion spells), and Trickster also deals massive almighty damage instead of just giving random ailments

[@noob-kun7768]

Infinity as theurgy? Who would use it lol

[@chaosbye]

fun fact: if you try to do this fight on peaceful mode, the moment she brings out pixie is when you get stuck in a "you hit her once then she casts diarahan then casts megidolaon and you die then revive" cycle that's annoying as fuck

[@thenerfkid9228]

Make that one hit Armageddon. Fixed 9999 damage.

[@BBlader]

⁠​⁠@@thenerfkid9228She has 20000 HP. Armageddon isn't one-shotting her. ^^"

[@MoleBradRy]

The "Die For Me" part is new. And you don't die instantly from Masakado. Probably cause it would be difficult to put up a shield every few rounds.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Also because Infinity is not in this game

[@mhicorivera7802]

Elizabeth : Levanza take note this is how you mentaly torture your guest even if you lose you still win

[@VBandit47]

She did NOT just full heal herself 12 minutes into the fight

[@mrmickfran]

First SMT game? lol

[@VBandit47]

@@mrmickfran No, but it's still a bonkers power move.

[@mrmickfran]

​@@VBandit47 True

[@ubiratanmagalhaes7013]

​@@mrmickfranRed Capote

[@ubiratanmagalhaes7013]

​@@mrmickfranRed Capote

[@UnlimitedFlyers]

Elizabeth has been BRUTAL since P3; looks like she hasn't changed at all, despite all these years in between!

[@Emperorwolf999]

damn, the "Super-Megidolaon" is even a different colour

[@TakeTheWorld21]

Ah, the lovers quarrel that laid the groundwork for future Wild Cards and their Velvet Room attendants

[@niccologomez5199]

I would kinda aruge that the fight is about equal in difficulty to the original, if not a bit more difficult even with her not spamming her 9999 Megidolan anymore First, Makoto no longer has 999 HP and SP at level 99. Second, it seems to be they have made it you HAVE to let Elizabeth do a full heal now unlike in the base game. Third, she is now packing severe spells instead of the heavy ma-spells, and also uses debufs and buffs. Also to add is that now that Eiha and Kouga are in the game, you lose 2 turns of no damage to breathe in. And all that and she still has her very strict no null/repel/drain rule. She more that lives up to her FES counterpart I would say

[@goroadachi9489]

I think the rule is actually more lenient as you can bring the Personas as long as they don’t drain or repel her attack in the fight. Also I think the fight is easier due to the fact that it’s less scripted

[@goroadachi9489]

The original Elizabeth I’m pretty sure is nigh impossible without a guide

[@mysteryboii4869]

@@goroadachi9489Can confirm, I remember using a guide back then and even a calculator just for this fight in the FES

[@amarioguy]

@@goroadachi9489that was actually true in FES as well, the failure condition is the same, bringing the personas was fine as long as they didn’t null an attack she was using

[@catloaff]

I think Elizabeth also does smaller damage now, she used to be able to deal with 100+ damage even with Orpheus Telos equipped

[@nicolasreyesgarcia6609]

Glad to know that Atlus still loves to torture its players

[@Skampidoo]

Ooo I was waiting for this!

[@destructor3152]

This girl would honestly destroy nyx

[@JohnnyFish971]

Game wise yes shes stronger Lore wise Nyx cant be destroyed

[@JoniZhask]

Nope, nyx was the greatest threat in the persona title second only to nyarlatothep if u count the first 2 installment.

[@dalaxdercrisper957]

Even Elizabeth can easily beat Nyx, it still couldn't beat it because nyx represent death itself. Only Makoto who had obtain Universe arcana can truly end it. Yes this is seal with himself

[@dragosanders4234]

She at least goes out her way to kill erebus every year with thanatos but can't permanently kill him because he is the manifestation of mankind's grief

[@jameswilliams6008]

Every final boss in persona games are comparable when you really think about it

[@lynlongoria]

I need the image you used for the cover of the video, without editing please

[@matius851]

0:51 Not the exact frame but it's really close

[@Riodile]

Ah neat! So there really IS a fight with Elizabeth. Thank you for showing us this! By the way, does she also have a special All-Out Attack like Caroline, Justine, and Lavenza? Or maybe hers is a Theurgy?

[@noob-kun7768]

You need the sees special cartridge to perform theurgy

[@mhicorivera7802]

​@@noob-kun7768 to the point that Takaya carry a evoker to simply use Theurgy when you fight him for the last time

[@phrofile3613]

​@@mhicorivera7802 he probably got that special cartridge from ikutsuki

[@JerichoTheCity]

She's my favorite velvet room attendant

[@adamrobinette6832]

When any assistant of Igor steps out of his office and decides they want to test you, the shit is undoubtedly beyond 'on'. Elizabeth is definitely my favorite of Igor's assistants. The others are cool too. But her whole story is the most fun, she is effortlessly cool, and her cheerfulness through this whole fight is fantastic. "Enjoy my special service." LMAO!

[@ProbablyAlmond]

Honestly every velvet attendant fight makes me wonder what a fight to the actual death with them would be like

[@Zerobasssoul]

Haven't had to break out the calculator in a long time. Idk if I missed this or if it's time to face my original smt trauma

[@villainreacts936]

this fight seems easier than the original since you kinda had to be lucky too before. waiting for a counter on her second turn to bring her in armageddon range and the damage is way different.

[@zuheiender4494]

Elizabeth is a duelist! This can be considered Aster/Edo Phenex's graduation duel at the end of GX akin to Jaden/Judai duel with the Pharoh.

[@xenosaga8436]

I think not having full theurgy when entering the fight might be needed as well. I took off high counter and anything that nulled status effects and she still megidoloaned me. Wasn't until I did all of that and emptied the theurgy gauge that she started the battle normally

[@Zymandis]

"Hit me hard and then hit me harder Makoto Daddy. I will give you a good reward if you do." - Elizabeth

[@saltyismymiddlename97]

I have my built to withstand final battle not for her. Only 800 yen left in my pocket as I spend it all on diamond before heading out for jan 31 and I've used all my incense; I only equipped +unshakenwill armor mc. Now I have to fuse res only helel, damn. Maybe next playtrough

[@petewhitejr3467]

This game marking us go broke like I was in my room for 4hours fighting this boss to the point were I was loading my mind🤬🤬

[@TheSalleh84]

At least... Persona 3 have the honor Persona 3 MC to fight Elizabeth solo different to Persona 4 or 5 MC fight with teammates to fight Margaret or Twin/Lavenza

[@kalemuncher9425]

I'm having trouble on this fight, I'm doing it without Orpheus Telos on merciless, and when Elizabeth switches to her second phase she has different dialogue and her turn order changes to using megidolaon pixie every 4th turn Am I doing something wrong? My strategy otherwise is pretty solid and I'm consistently landing about 1.5k damage on her per cycle but I can't account for the megidolaon pixie since that removes any chance of me getting her down to below 10k HP

[@addenanda]

her 2nd phase cycle for merciless probs different than any other difficulties

[@FerrySter]

This is what i've been waiting for! After seeing the battle.. Is it just me or she got nerfed badly? She not use Megidolaon that instant kill at the end of using debuff skill and her atk so low. I didnt remember battle her she do 5 damage to mc like wth? Its 200+ per atk if i remember it right

[@veeshadow]

Her Megidolaon is altered since you don't have Infinity either. She will start that on 13000 HP checkpoint... This version allows you to reduce damage more than Vanilla version did. Not to mention you can Heat Riser and Debilitate.

[@FerrySter]

@@veeshadow really a big nerf

[@KB-qv2cb]

Either way is still hard from what I heard :^​@@FerrySter

[@AverageEggmonEnthusiast]

Is getting Orpheus Tellos the same as the original? (All SL maxxed out)

[@lord_dracula2706]

yes

[@Emperorwolf999]

i took a close look, and the card 'Liz draws when summoning during the fight is a fool Arcana

[@skrellb9659]

Now try it on merciless 😂

[@dablazingbryan5559]

I noticed that too. I thought that was just max endurance but no, that’s just Peaceful cuz there’s no way you mitigate the damage THAT much, unless…

[@little_phoenix-8127]

Here we goes The Elisadeath......

[@maxlvl2644]

Idk how they got the original VA to play Elizabeth but its beautiful T.T

[@UchihaLevelTwo]

Hey, does anyone know where to farm more Dead Moon's Husks (the base crafting item you need to craft Armor/Boots of Light/Lucifer's Blade, etc?

[@devinthomas4068]

I feel like they only give you 3 specifically for the MC to use

[@omega_bass]

you can get them on floor 251 from the green chest. drop chance is low though so you can save before opening it and reload until you get it

[@barryjamesmusicPH]

do you need to finish certain number of requests to challenge her on the 1st playthru? or just beat reaper? im on jan31 beat reaper. and no request 101..

[@Rangerj04]

Did you finish the last monad door on the 255 floor

[@Darki13]

you need to new game+ i think

[@Rangerj04]

Did you accept her request to beat the reaper?

[@theultimategamer95]

Aight, so maybe you know. But just got to the end of NG+ with all the preparation for the fight done, did the reaper request and nothing. Any idea what I did wrong? Very frustrated over it tbh. Nothing on Google.

[@XanderGray1990]

Had the same issue. Elizabeth needs to have visited your room in order to unlock the quest alongside beating the reaper.

[@theultimategamer95]

@@XanderGray1990 Ofcccccccc, so my ng+ was a complete waste then, lmao. Such stupid requirements man, and I thought Margaret in P4 was bad. Appreciate the response though!

[@barryjamesmusicPH]

hi. is this confirmed? finish the elizabeth take to your room before she could be fought? no matter if it's new game plus or 1st playthrough?

[@ethantrotto6668]

​@@theultimategamer95She's actually the easiest attendant to fight, you don't even need to do a NG+, you just have to do her requests. I was able to fight her on my first playthrough

[@theultimategamer95]

@@ethantrotto6668 Yeah I know, I only did NG+ to bloat my HP to max cause I thought it'd be the same as in FES, lmao.

[@rexx0465]

From what i saw from other's playthtrough, you still can block her insta kill die for me with some equipment. But you can't block her other attacks

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Yeah. Blocking ailments is fine, and instakill is an ailment

[@genericname4168]

Roses are red, this game feels like Pokemon I bring you, Megidolaon

[@uzhioss]

Bro i got messiah so i thought this shit gonna be easy but when i attacked elizabeth, she mf kills me instantly

[@Terensworth]

I dunno why, but all I can think of is 'Man, Makoto seems to breaks his back every time he takes a hit, judging by the motion he makes.'

[@xSharpW]

I love the fact she uses the cards to summon Personas instead of...well...shooting herself. It'd be funny but it's cool that it's like a "teaser" for Persona 4...reshuffled? Idk lol.

[@bothdoorscares3878]

Hello there. May I ask about the general patterns available with her fight in this? Is there some sort of pattern behind it the entire fight or is there some mixup later on? I am planning to look into an optimized way to beat this fight, y'see.

[@robjoker3786]

I knew they would nerf her but they went too hard with that nerf :(

[@alejandrorangel6758]

One thing that really doesn't make sense is that why do I have to block to dodge the dark insta kill? Why doesn't it let you dodge with ali dance and buffs?

[@TanatosBoy]

I have a question, I did a new game but I don't have any persona or Objects

[@DemonLord99204]

For some reason I wasn’t dealing damage even she got debilitated like you did and I had the personas except telos but how did you deal damage?

[@mmhmmmyearight7183]

My theurgy attacks would do up to 5000 damage in critical that helped alot but calculating end to use armagedon at the end was hard af

[@SnailBot]

Question, can you use Armageddon when she around 19,00 or lower to force out phase 2? Then use soma to continue the fight.

[@HYBNP]

No, use Armageddon will left you just 1hp, you will die right away because it Eli turn.

[@SnailBot]

@@HYBNP I thought she gonna Dirahan first

[@HYBNP]

@@SnailBot She have 2 action per turn =))

[@phrofile3613]

​@@HYBNP unless you have enduring soul maybe?

[@HYBNP]

@@phrofile3613 if Eli fail below 50% hp and you cant one-shot her next turn, she will use megidolaon over and over again. So no cheat Armageddon here

[@thebandit6886]

2 questions, what are the ultimate weapons in this game and how do you get them? I just fused lucifer and no option to make Lucifer's Blade at antiques?

[@tranlewlinign9592]

Some personas has a heart on the top, that means it need to level up to a certain degree to create their special item. By the way you need the greatest material too

[@richardusedward1475]

So there is no Vishnu and Ananta combo in this game?

[@drewlaw2192]

To be fair using a limit break for one turn of invincibility instead of damage feels like a waste

[@minatoarisato9627]

Dims i want ask you how to get best equipment

[@firelordofkek4554]

Why blocking die for me? Kills pretty fast?

[@JohnnyFish971]

Insta Kill from Alice? Hallo

[@dalaxdercrisper957]

It's a instant death spell. Die for Me for Alice has high chance of instant death so it would prudent to equip yourself with null death spell

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

​@@dalaxdercrisper957To be precise, 70% odds

[@dalaxdercrisper957]

@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 yeah especially you're fighting solo here. It would be too risky without proper equipment.

[@JR384]

Unrelated question, are exclusive moves transferrable in the game? Orpheus Telos is using Morning Star here and considering the origins, I would think that's exclusive to Helel.

[@pit2992]

I think Orpheus Telos can learn any skill

[@Odin2077]

Or mod i guess

[@blueraine21]

i havent touched the remake yet but as far as i remember, you can fuse lower persona and use tri/cross-fusions persona to make orpheus telos.. For the morning star, you have to fuse down Helel alot so you can pass it to base orpheus ... I playes fes alot before and you have to fuse many times to cycle the skills... there's plenty of guide in google you should check it out..

[@connorc5613]

Orpheus Telos’ gimmick is that it doesn’t have any skills beyond victory cry naturally. In return, it can inherit every skill in the game

[@JR384]

@@connorc5613 So like, Die For Me!, Black Viper, etc. are all free game?

[@FaizalKuntz]

Im going to have so much fun doing a low level challenge

[@cgaminganims7046]

Does she still punish you and one hit your face?

[@bronzeoliniisnotfunny7885]

I believe she does have the null/repel/absorb rules like in the OG Persona 3, so I think she very much can still punish you & one hit your face.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Yes, if you have immunity or better to whichever attack she used

[@zeronime284]

Casting Armageddon at the end is cannon event 😂😂

[@brendansage6876]

Can you fight her in a fresh playthrough, or only New-Game-Plus?

[@devinthomas4068]

It can be a fresh playthrough. You have to do all her dates and kill the Reaper

[@allswrite3954]

I'll show you MEGIDOLAON-DYNE

[@paperluigi6132]

Are fusion spells like in Vanilla/FES, where you need the required Personas in your stock to use them?

[@hwanniggles187]

No. They are revamped as your Theurgy skill list. All you need is to have the required Personas in your Compendium

[@Sphealfan88]

Still the only boss ive needed a calculator to beat

[@nekon_ravenfox]

hold the fuc* a minutes was that no am i seeing things or at 1:22 did i see satanael the evolved persona for the mc of persona 5 did i just see sh*t someone tell me im not going nuts

[@notyoran]

It's part of one of the dlcs

[@nekon_ravenfox]

@@notyoran well lease im not going nuts thank you for telling

[@Ilia_Salnicov]

I have one question. Why then I watch fight with Elizabeth, their are only Makoto and Elizabeth? This boss is harder with party members or what?

[@NurulSera]

The fight is strictly 1 vs 1. Elizabeth’s request for this fight specifically asks you to go alone, and if you try to bring any party members Elizabeth will insta kill you with a 9999 Megidolaon

[@VatchGaming]

Can you not bring Orpheus with Death skill?

[@thebandit6886]

What shoes are you wearing? Kind of crucial to not share that....

[@yoshi357lol9]

Is the Mechanic if you bring a Party Member then she will kill you instanly still there

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Yes

[@yoshi357lol9]

Thanks @@kichiroumitsurugi4363

[@bayzenmusic1627]

you can’t enter the fight with party members, it will ask you to exit monad passage

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@bayzenmusic1627 This is also true in Portable. Though if you start fught via mod menu, Liz does use 9999 Megidolaon in response to bringing party members

[@risekujikawa7763]

this is such a numbers fight lol. If you have a calculator and know the restrictions this fight is so easy

[@rubenbrito4166]

Finished this fight tonight too

[@zakusmanali3036]

How did you get Debilitate on Helel?

[@ramiking745]

I know damn well I'm not attempting this fight myself (I tend to get too angry when shit doesn't go my way and goes too long).

[@mfsalatino]

you can't fight Elizabeth in group?

[@Suhcra-Sensei]

No, you must come alone, or she'll instantly defeat you.

[@JohnnyFish971]

​@@Suhcra-Senseigonna be so fun newcomers coming in first time and getting nuked 😂

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

@@Suhcra-Senseican you show a clip of bringing the group I’m curious what it looks like

[@tranlewlinign9592]

How could you predict when she will use "Die For Me" and guard?

[@Gamerboy2914]

how do you fight her like were?

[@johnboona4048]

High Counter doesn't work anymore?

[@JohnnyFish971]

Not recommend it

[@dragosanders4234]

You can't have any personas that reflect ,Null or absorb ,Resist is ok

[@johnboona4048]

@@dragosanders4234 oh ok but high counter was actually needed to beat her in p3 fes kinda weird they changed it in reload

[@gettingbetterlife8963]

Is she as difficult in all difficulty settings or does it vary

[@zeronime284]

Nearly unwinnable in merciless, might need more time for somebody to win it in merciless

[@marcosjimenez5315]

I tried this at level 92 and she used Pixie with Megidoloan dealing 9999 damaged...

[@amri007able]

Tutorial how to unlock elizabeth secret boss?

[@ThiguSilva]

For some reason, even though I don't have any null, ab, ref skills or itens the first attack she uses is hit kill. I back the save and go to another day, but i always get hit kill in the first move and can't even try. i dont know if it's cause i am lvl 89 and dont use orpheus or if its cause i have other personas, but this keeps happening.

[@EYESSEEU]

I play on merciless difficulty. It's almost impossible to defeat her. It took me over 5 hours!. But sadly there's no achievement for it.

[@SpitfireSama21]

did they really removed the card from "Die for me !" ??

[@Zalaphrax]

Die for Me's animation has changed every game it's in, so no surprise. Doesnt look the same in P5, P5 Strikers, SMTV, P4, and now here, where she's only had cards in P4 and SMTV

[@KawaiiJackHonne]

*nervous laughing*

[@catloaff]

It's probably because the max HP is only 660 but man her damage is lower this time?? It used to reach 80-100 in Normal mode even with Orpheus Telos + Divine Pillar equipped. I'm shocked that it goes as low as 3 damage

[@reishiki8682]

Lower damage makes sense since you no longer hit 999hp and she has two attacking turns, if she hit as hard as she did originally you'd always be healing every turn due to her onslaught of attacks, don't even start if she crits on a regular attack and leaves nearly dying or just outright dead.

[@Mmmyyyzzz]

@@reishiki8682she does 2 turns in fes too