Persona 3 The Answer “Shadow Makoto” Cutscene Evolution + Comparison

They didn’t show his flesh and bones in episode Aigis. 😭
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[@squee-g1658]

P3: shows the horror of death P3R: shows the sadness of death Atleast that’s the vibes I get

[@sirfattymann1787]

This exactly 💯

[@Neogears1312]

It’s sanitizing it for market value.

[@valsolexists3202]

two completely different vibes! i wouldn’t have assumed this was the same scene

[@f.i.d.m6392]

I fucking love the edginess of the original, but I think a sad vibe is more fitting for death. A death doesn't tend to be creepy nor filled with gore, most of the time it just happens and it's always sad. They really played it safe though, specially with the Yukari scenes

[@CarlosSilva-bh4bi]

I mean, it wasnt of death We destroy the conexion with Makoto/Nyx and the Abyss which is everyones desire to see Makoto again So, with this, Makoto dissolves, innthe original, everyone accepts thats the best and dont cry about it even if in the final part, they get that vision of Makoto smiling thankfully to them Thats exactly what the narrative needs, as we dont see the horror or fear of death, is the fear of loss in death So we dont fear dying ourselves on it, we are terrified of loosing others, so terror fits in the answer like a glove, as we had sadness in the Journey

[@f.i.d.m6392]

@@CarlosSilva-bh4bi They don't accept shit, they fight over his death inmediatly after this. Even if I think Reload's version works better, I'd still love seeing Atlus doing creepy and gorey stuff. It'd be cool having it in an smt game. They really pussied out with the Yukari scene though.

[@CarlosSilva-bh4bi]

@@f.i.d.m6392 They accepted that Makoto was gone, but when they learn of the door their will to have him or leave becomes stronger

[@justmundane]

The fact that they sanitized this scene in the remake kind of takes away the message of p3 as whole, you have to be able to face death and not shy away it from it, and censoring it is literally doing the opposite of the message of p3 is

[@Anonymous529]

Probably would've had to up the rating to 18+, so they just didn't went for that

[@HoshiNoWatashi]

it's too creepy and hard to animated so they can't make it

[@joaolima7131]

​​​​@@HoshiNoWatashiwell, they did that 18 y ago with even less budget, so... But I don't agree that it takes the message away, some other people in the comments had other takes, I understand the disappointment, I really do, but people are more focused in not being open to different interpretations and prefer to only complain, but I do agree the DLC had some unecessary downgrades

[@HoshiNoWatashi]

@@joaolima7131 ur right

[@CalWhimsical]

@@Anonymous529 that would barely do anything since the m rating is for 17+. i don't even know if there IS a game rating category for 18+

[@mediocreindigo]

Everyone else is focusing on the fact that the gore was removed, but something I think not enough people are noticing is how the original cutscene kind of implied that ??? has some of Makoto's personality while the remake version removed this implication in favor of making ??? seem emotionless. Imagine if ??? had smiled like it did in the original cutscene before Aigis reaches out.

[@SpideyfanX]

Honestly, that's why I hated the remake. The original actually showed us what it was like for the OG Minato when he became the seal, how the pain FELT.

[@dialga236]

my problem isnt even necessarily that it isnt creepy anymore, but that they removed what made this scene stick out. really doesnt have anymore impact then say aigis' dream at the start.

[@_GuiltyGhost]

I think one of the strong appeals of Persona 3 was the early 2000s vibe. It's funny snd all to call the FES version "edgy" but the Reload version kind of just feels a little plain.

[@cathyas3749]

Wow they fucking GUTTED this scene jesus

[@MariusBoss11458]

I swear the Memories of You motif will always get me...

[@chiangkai-shrek1575]

Welp, here's my hot take, I think the Reload version is fine. I'd go as far as to say that, it's a bit more fitting of P3 The Answer's theme of dealing with grief People tend to think of Reload as sort of a replacement/definitive version when in reality it is just a different take on the original. The FES version highlighted the creepiness of this shadow MC, while Reload highlights its tragic nature. Notice how Reload actually shows SEES' reactions to his disappearance instead of just cutting to them later. In FES, SEES realized the artificiality of this shadow, while in Reload the SEES team, Aigis especially, is still grieving over his loss which makes the scene more "emotional" Also, Reload's disappearance was foreshadowed by the opening, so there's that. I will admit, I kinda dig the edginess of FES, but people claim that Reload's version is "soulless" which I feel like is a very reductive take. You wanna see Reload missing the point? Look no further than what they did to Yukari's scene after the coliseum fight. Holy shit.

[@Hymn_]

it makes more sense, cuz why tf would his organs and bones showed up.

[@alexandersmith4731]

​@@Hymn_Shadows never took any form of a dead person, I don't think they've ever done it in modern Persona too, not any that I can think of, it's to show how creepy it is that the Abyss of Time manifested your emotions in a more horrifying manners, especially since we know Aigis wanted to die and shut down completely

[@arael3702]

​@@alexandersmith4731shadow always take a form of dead person YES YOUR FUCKIN MOM

[@Hymn_]

@@alexandersmith4731 i understand what they try to show, but it doesn't make sense to me in lore.

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@Hymn_ It doesn't make sense why is there a constant unfunny bath scene in Persona series lore either

[@2huPure]

The kind of people that comment here piss me off but to be fair, the reload version doesnt feel as impactful as the original, i feel like the "edginess" was necessary here

[@onma07ksa]

It may not be impactful and memorable as the original but it seems more fitting for the theme of the remake.

[@escalaregalia]

A lot of people complaining, but seeing the scene with context the new one makes more sense... It's only the shadow, not the actually Makoto, so having his body disintegrating layer by layer doesn't make sense. Now, if it had been them showering Makoto sacrificing himself to become the seal like i originally thought the scene was, that would make a little sense...

[@clockworkcake8057]

NO... SAUCE...

[@diegosernadas1883]

Honestly i prefer the new one as someone who’s first play through of persona 3 FES was a month before the remake was announced Yes persona 3 FES was supposed to be nightmare fuel and give you a sense of finality seeing how death is messed up with how graphic it is tearing away the human body to leave the “spirit” to show the gruesome reality of it to face the fact of death. But the remake takes it in a new way where it shows that death isnt that bad and can inherently be seen as beautiful really. As well as it could be much more fitting as the shadow is practically all the regrets of the team given form its more beautiful scenery could symbolize that even though you have regret when someone passes, finally letting go of it and coming to terms with it is beautiful. Its the same message just in different perspectives Edit: for my grammar mistakes cuz holy hell the run on sentences I wrote-

[@oranim12]

THIS. I said it somewhere that, for those comparing to the OG, what it loses in nightmare fuel it gains in the heartbreaking beauty territory. (The music really sells it too.)

[@Jaykeduzthings]

agreed, this is a different take on the game for a reason, people shouldn’t be going into this expecting a 1 to 1 copy

[@dialga236]

​@@Jaykeduzthingsbut in nearly every interview they talk about how faithful p3r was supposed to be. i understand where youre coming from but the devs themselves said this remake was supposed to be as faithful as possible

[@Jaykeduzthings]

@@dialga236 ah my bad, i haven’t really seen any of the interviews about this. should’ve fact checked before i said that

[@diegosernadas1883]

@@oranim12 especially since the song has the letmotif of memories of you just slowed down

[@BenSpace]

0:10 I was really hoping this part would be in Reload; it’s like Makoto was actually the Shadow in some way, and defeating him briefly brought him back to his senses before evaporating. He seems almost shocked too, like “how am I here?” It’s also nice to imagine that he finally catches a glimpse of his friends when he didn’t get a chance to do so on the rooftop. (even though that’s definitely not what’s happening here)

[@yumithehunter6292]

Look the edginess was cool in the original but I loved what the remake did. His death wasn’t gorey, it wasn’t scary. He did it for them. And then he was gone. He wasn’t scared he wasn’t a bloody pulp He faced death with a smile because he understood his friends would be ok

[@Kek393]

Bro there is NO SAUCE is Reload. Lil bro doesn't even twirl the evoker before summoning.

[@mrdonutin]

He does when he changes his persona

[@CalWhimsical]

he literally does?

[@Kek393]

@@CalWhimsical He does it when he changes the Persona. And it's one very small twirl, not the overexaggerated spin like in the OG.

[@CalWhimsical]

@@Kek393 fair. i do think that there are parts that could've been polished better but i'm primarily glad we actually have an option that isn't total jrpg bullshit levels of difficulty

[@zerobalance4027]

​@Kek393 people like you will never be satisfied. This insane of a nitpick sounds reasonable to you?

[@CalWhimsical]

this scene always horrified me but idk which one's better now :sob:

[@mastertjt56]

I honestly enjoyed the different take on this scene for the remake. It's more emotional while the original was more about nightmare fuel. Both are still amazing scenes. Too bad people are just bitchy about wanting everything to be picture perfect. They tend to forget the point of a REMAKE and think remastered

[@samsungprime7253]

Its ass gang lol

[@Hyp3rSonic]

I enjoy both versions. I dont know if that's a "hot take" or not

[@mastertjt56]

@@Hyp3rSonic currently it is because the P3 fans (real or not) just wanted the original scene for the sake of edginess. Like it's cool and all but it honestly added nothing to the story besides letting the characters stare at a "corpse of their friend. The new one honestly feels better because you can tell that this battle made everyone emotional and unnerved

[@mastertjt56]

@@samsungprime7253 to you

[@alexandersmith4731]

​@@mastertjt56If they were more creative they really could have kept the original scene and just added the new gasping scene or even Aigis crying, they already fucked that up in Reload earlier

[@jay-ce4oj]

idk... i think directly connecting the scene with aigis' dream has more storytelling than a creepy "death" but they also could have done more than a fade away

[@bunzki]

i actually think they handled the new version very well. i understand why they wouldn't show his organs and stuff

[@淡い炎]

..... Higher budget, far worse execution. If anything, remake one feels like it's missing the point/ motif entirely. Fuckin A, I hate how everything has to be so neutered/ watered down/ "safe" nowadays.

[@the1hero182]

1:50 The little whimper from Koromaru 😭

[@TheTrains13]

Checks comments, finds people simping for reloads version, closes comments

[@Hyp3rSonic]

🤔

[@DanielRamirez-vn2db]

How do you like your protagonist? Peeled or Dissolved?

[@kofiassan1176]

Underrated comment

[@GiroEXE]

Persona 3 fans when there's no detailed scene of a boy literally fucking disintegrating

[@Hyp3rSonic]

Lmfao

[@megaspacewaffles]

I mean it does change the message greatly but

[@daniilillarionov9854]

Why we can't have edgy cool stuff in media now? Like we got thousands of scenes where ghosts of past are lifted in thin air or turn into dust or some shit, but never I saw a scene were this ghost are teare apart like this

[@CraveForYuri]

So you're not a fan and just admit that the remake wasn't made for fans? Good then leave this and never come back, you just admit you weren't a fan to begin with. Why do you people need to ruin stuff for others?

[@megaspacewaffles]

@@CraveForYuri I love how people just assume you can't like the remake without having problems with it. Do I love of persona 3? Absolutely, Do I love reload? Absolutely. Does it have problems? Of course it does

[@yurimiese]

NOOOOO WHERE'S THE GORE....

[@gamerbeast3616]

Cry

[@Hyp3rSonic]

I'm kinda glad they went this route. Not trying to discredit the OG version. (Still love both versions tho. I think that both are good in their own ways)

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@gamerbeast3616weird comment to make

[@SpideyfanX]

​@@Hyp3rSonicHe's a modern audience guy that can't handle M-Rated elements in an M-Rated game, it's no surprise. He's just another tourist in the Megaten fandom.

[@jayevans6146]

Ngl. This was kinda as$. Looks pretty, sure. But Jesus what a downgrade from the nightmare fuel that was the original. Forcing Sees to come to grips with the physical reality of Makoto and what they gave up *twice.*

[@gamerbeast3616]

Its not a downgrade lmao

[@jayevans6146]

@@gamerbeast3616They babyfied it so SEES doesn’t have to have the physical reality check that they gave up Makoto’s life *Twice.* Shadow Makoto decaying in real time right in front of them was supposed to be a physical reminder of that.

[@SpideyfanX]

​@@jayevans6146 Not just that, it was also supposed to show that death isn't pretty colors or butterflies, but in fact, a horrifying thing.

[@GoneToAlice]

They done fucked it up. No gore and not even the evoker twirl?

[@Vi3taZnDr4gOn]

what do you mean by evoker twirl? like you mean in the game overall?

[@Un_Named05]

This was probably due to changing regulations on game ratings, which countries all over the world have cracked down on especially in Japan.

[@GoneToAlice]

@@Vi3taZnDr4gOn yeah, that too. Though I was hoping they'd at least let shadow mc do it in the answer if they didn't add that in the main game. Too bad. The shadow doing the evoker flip before the fight in FES was badass

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

Bro why is there so man of these “they fucked it up” people just because they didn’t have that fucking littile Evoker twirl and gore doesn’t mean it’s bad you fucking edgelords grow tf up

[@Vi3taZnDr4gOn]

@@GoneToAlice ah okay it was during the fight in game and not the cutscene.

[@ItzStardustYT]

What a shame. I see what they were going for in Reload but i was really hoping wed get a remake of the original.

[@soulhacker566]

When Persona was called Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, now its just a game for kids

[@MrBanera]

They could have removed the gore but still keeping the cool ahh letters, like now is kinda generic desintegration and that's it

[@EvilBender555]

What a joke. Reload is so fxcking soulless

[@nahte123456]

Everyone is open to their own opinions, but in my opinion Reload kind of misses the point. ??? is unnatural, forced into being because SEES couldn't get over what had happened, and they are taking responsibility. This is shown again against Erebus where they refuse to run knowing they helped make that Erebus, taking responsibility for their mistaken thoughts. It can be sad, but ??? really should reinforce how SEES are messing up, stuck in the past when they know they shouldn't be. Their Persona literally warp space and time as the DLC's premise in response to their grief, they need to be better.

[@alexandersmith4731]

Don't like the new one, super sanitised, I don't need a blue sparkles to distract me from the imagery of death

[@CalWhimsical]

akinari

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@CalWhimsical would fuck him sideways

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@CalWhimsicalliterally

[@redgangmansavenger5911]

this cutscene is emblematic of P3R as a whole, it takes the original, removes a LOT of its edge and in exchange it looks more modern i am fairly sure this remake will eventually be viewed as a sidegrade as the shineness fades away

[@LightKing1237]

bro they nerfed this cutscene. i was lowkey excited to see what they were gonna do with this

[@metsu4777]

Biggest downgrade in history

[@NahobinoIV]

I miss the old scene because its my favourite:(

[@renren47618]

The old one was way better.

[@phrinus]

NOOOOO, BUT THE GORE!!!! Aw, man....

[@phrinus]

The... delicious... Makoto... jerky...

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@phrinuswhat?

[@phrinus]

@@Hyp3rSonic Yum!

[@CraveForYuri]

OG: A representation of how brutal death is and how there's no escaping it, dead is sumber, scary, and a brutal end to everyone, even you, however life is still precious and there's beauty in it as represented as the butterflies flying out with his smile Remake: Awww he's dead that's sad right? :/ Was the remake made for toddlers in mind? (Spoiler: it was.)

[@hyrumtaylor3581]

I like the original for how suddenly morbid it is. But I think the remake fits better

[@rickyricardo6481]

Cant wait to play

[@Feeeer]

Is it me or does he get, like, "older" when he is about to disappear?

[@jacen884]

Two different games 2 different interpretations and renditions. The original game is there for a reason, the remake is there for everyone else who enjoyed it.

[@whynotbrosay]

If only the og was readily available outside of emulation though...

[@jacen884]

@@whynotbrosay nobody really complains about emulation for ps2, and a fresh copy of fes is 35$. And a working ps2 slim can usually go for around $80

[@user-dingydee]

@@jacen884if you’re against game preservation just say so lol

[@user-dingydee]

@@whynotbrosaytotally right. Like OP said, 2 completely different games. Wish we had access to the original that Katsura Hashino envisioned

[@player2-lightwater914]

@@user-dingydee Outside of emulation, Persona 3 FES is on the PS2 and PS3. Regarding the PS3, while the game is still the same as the PS2 version, the game is not restricted to one console unlike vanilla Persona 3 which is stuck on PS2. The price for Persona 3 FES in the PS3 store is 9.99$.

[@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater]

"Persona 3 is a dark game about accepting death!!" proceeds to let you revive and save more characters with every re-release (except Reload? idk, i don't plan on playing it) and makes death have more ✨️sparkles✨️

[@2huPure]

i havent played reload but afaik they only kept the chance of reviving Chidori, Shinji will stay dead no matter what in this one

[@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater]

@2huPure honestly, i hate both, but i hate the Chidori one more. she literally just respawns because Junpei wanted to see her again. Shinjiro gets saved because of plot bullshit, but at least he doesn't get an extra life

[@boopnoodle6947]

@@2huPurethats not true lol u cant bring bring back chidori

[@2huPure]

@@boopnoodle6947 you can though, you just missed it

[@boopnoodle6947]

@@2huPure wait omg ur so right wtf. that kinda pisses me off cuz the whole game is about death and like that sacrifice was beautiful why did they have to ruin it like that.

[@milesstorzillo7650]

I swear, all you people want is blood and spilled guts. And this is coming from someone who's found some appreciation for the concepts of Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) over the years.

[@alexandersmith4731]

All sonic fans just reminds me of Chris Chan

[@f.i.d.m6392]

​@@alexandersmith4731For reals, dude even thinks Shadow the Hedgehog is the gorest thing around

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@f.i.d.m6392 😂😂😂

[@SpultoBNMTheMutuallyUnrequited]

​​@@alexandersmith4731 Chris from Sonic X ? Iam probably shooting way off the Mark lmao.

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@SpultoBNMTheMutuallyUnrequited Chris Chan, the autistic dude

[@ssubspace._]

im relived they didn't make it gorey 😭

[@SpideyfanX]

"I'm relieved that this M-Rated scene is gone from the M-Rated Game" leave and never return.

[@ssubspace._]

@@SpideyfanX ? ? ?

[@RhythmOSauce]

Clearly the reason why there was no bones in reload was due to the fact that ??? had Extra layers of clothing

[@ChrisSiscon]

the funniest part about some complain is they ask Atlus for more animated cutescene and Atlus did more and they still complain i guess some of them never play fes but they just hate persona 5 so they use reload to blame persona 5 lol

[@anotherpotato0]

This cutscene was on OG, but they decided to ruin it

[@jackierabbit]

now this is unnecessary censorship... so lame

[@TheTotallyRealJokerPersona5]

You people complain about every little thing I swear

[@ReijiKidoMot]

@@TheTotallyRealJokerPersona5 Yeah how dare people have negative views and/or dislike something so small like an entire cutscene that many feel is an important moment in the story Lol of course its the persona 5 fan

[@gamerbeast3616]

​@@ReijiKidoMotwhats wrong with being a person 5 fan lol

[@Jaykeduzthings]

⁠@@gamerbeast3616at the end of the day we all play persona games though so i don’t know what’s wrong with being a persona 5 fan

[@ReijiKidoMot]

@@gamerbeast3616 Terrible taste

[@zerefdragnell8756]

The Original is so much better!!!!!!

[@fauriarchives1690]

They unEmoed my emo game

[@critch7514]

Man, that’s cheap

[@Melomaviac]

Bro the og scene would've felt too damn dark for Reload so I think it feels more respectably fitting to lighten the scene

[@writer_man5318]

Well, I'm glad they improved the scene in Reload rather than using pointless edginess, they focused instead on the party watching him fade away.

[@justmundane]

you are totally entitled to your opinion, however the edginess is apart of p3 and them removing doesn't change it or improve it, it just removes a lot of the nuance that was in the original imo

[@alexandersmith4731]

Denying how edgy P3 was is just denying how the 2000s was 😂, all it was is an imagery of humans beneath our skin? How is it more edgy that trying to take down *bad adults* and police??

[@alexandersmith4731]

​@@justmundanethey are so against any creativity, just be pretty and do nothing with it

[@writer_man5318]

@@justmundane All the edgy death did is just be edgy for sake of looking edgy with fans deciding to add depth to it to not make it totally pointless. The party flat out ignore what happened and move on despite all of them grieving about him. It added nothing to the scene. In comparison, the new version puts a larger focus on the characters - especially Aigis - reacting to watching Makoto fade away on them. The original is creepy but overall worthless while the new one focuses on the melachony they feel at losing him and having to watch him fade away from their life again. I'd rather have that solemn expression over an edgy scene that the characters don't react to at all.

[@writer_man5318]

@@alexandersmith4731 First, why the crack at Persona 5? Second, the reason it's more edgy than Persona 5 is that it is edge for the sake of edge. No one reacts to it. It's creepy for the sake of creepy and feels out of place for the story and emotions being told. Replacing the creepy one with the new one did nothing to the story.

[@G4ppe]

No rotten door-kun? ☹️

[@kokechi2654]

Man wtf

[@quintribute]

Censored for zoomers. Many such cases!

[@tvia]

Fumbled

[@maffoo9775]

BOOOOO THEY REMOVED BRAINKOTO YUKI 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎

[@SpideyfanX]

I knew it. I'm so glad I never bought this garbage remake.

[@TheTotallyRealJokerPersona5]

A minute cutscene convinced you to not buy the DLC. You must hate all remakes

[@S0ULS4VER]

​@@TheTotallyRealJokerPersona5not that bad but the costume n music packs kinda trash.

[@gamerbeast3616]

Lmao shut up

[@gamerbeast3616]

New one better

[@FightingGameDemon]

Soy take

[@SpideyfanX]

​​@@FightingGameDemon I mean this is a fake Persona fan. Of course they'd like sanitized censorship.