Persona | Ingmar Bergman's Psychological Breakthrough

[@TheDiscardedImage]

What else should I cover?

[@jacknelson6313]

Trainspotting

[@seosamhrosmuc]

How about something on Jacques Tati?

[@albiehay5567]

Mike Leigh

[@andresfelipeperez11]

Something on Yorgos Lanthimos or Luis Bunuel.

[@nebojsasavic6262]

Woody Allen, Sergio Leone

[@criticalcoffee]

imagine watching this in 1966 and not being able to go to youtube and videos like this. That is to say: thank you for making this.

[@Fuggettabouttitt]

You mean you gotta think about it yourself? That must have sucked.

[@criticalcoffee]

@@FuggettabouttittI mean that it's nice to get different perspectives rather than being stuck with your own. My guy, get off the internet for a while if everything looks like a debate starter.

[@Fuggettabouttitt]

@@criticalcoffee What's up for debate?

[@kelechi_77]

@@criticalcoffee Yeah it's a great video, back then people would have read movie critics thoughts on the film

[@lucaspotasio5483]

My interpretation of the film is that they are the same person... Alma is another word from soul, and I think that's what this character is... Alma is Elizabet's soul who have been trapped inside of her for so long, because she was always playing characters and not being honest with herself. Now her Soul wants to finally take control, she wants to be Elizabet, and stop acting! Or at least is what she thinks she is doing, because, as the Doctor said she could play that part of being mute as long as it was intersting... So maybe she didn't really free her Soul for real, but just started playing another part! And that's the question that stays on my mind of all of this: Can we really be ourselfs? Or We will just play characters for a while, and then replace that for another when is not interersting anymore? Just my two cents on the matter 😁

[@nuzza4432]

the way you interpreted this difficult movie is so insightful, I also think the same Elisabeth lost her own self while playing the roles of others, its as if when someone tells you not to behave some kind of a way and you start to disolve and apart your persona, play someone else. we are always changing our masks but I still think it was Elisabeth who wanted to be Alma. Elisabeth lost her conscious and Alma is a caretaker like her subconscious part of persona who wants to bring her consciousness back. as if she is the cure for herself but in the end she stays what she says " nothing" total emptiness. she switches herself again and becomes empty . Alma could not win over her ,the cure did not work. and in the end only the mask is left on the screen, someone undefined.

[@solame10101]

I have some similar interpretations. I've only just watched the movie for the first time so its quite barebones but it seemed like Elisabet is the self, and Alma is the body and unconscious. Obvious tragic events eventually made her split, and so the masquerading was not possible without both working together to make up the whole. The nursing unconscious is trying to have a dialogue and heal, but Elisabet simply isnt ready and wont respond. Alma is primitive and doesnt reflect on her own but only speaks everything impulsively, while the actor is supposed to compliment that and select what is appropriate behavior for display. So in the end she seemed broken still, the dialogue never happened. It is interesting to me that she was willing to listen to it all but never engage.

[@aidanlastname0187]

Garbage movie

[@vardar2191]

immaculate interpretation i love your idea and feelin the same as u! great job really

[@FSCINVESTMENTGROUP]

Perfect explanation! Thank you.

[@adamv4951]

I've watched this more than 50 times and am still figuring it out.

[@highwind1991]

Great movie. The repeated scene is one of the best in cinema 🎥

[@andiarrohnds5163]

the movie is trash and you should feel bad

[@highwind1991]

@@andiarrohnds5163 nah I'm good thanks 😊

[@connormckenna5972]

@@andiarrohnds5163 films are subjective

[@andiarrohnds5163]

@@connormckenna5972 thats actually not true. but its common to believe it. well they are objective but only to a certain extent. definitely not what you think they are

[@connormckenna5972]

@@andiarrohnds5163 I didn’t even like this film that much either I’m just saying not everyone is gonna like a film some people won’t like it and some people will

[@ahmyakm9176]

The letter was to the doctor, not elisabet's husband.

[@s.singh27]

yeah, that's why alma felt so betrayed. If it was her husband, it wouldn't be as bad.

[@tajuddinmolla2436]

There is no reason for the patient to write to doctor...it should be the nurse who writes about the patient. In my opinion sister Alma does not exist. The husband treating Alma as his wife supports this.

[@nebojsasavic6262]

One of my fav films. Great video, and i agree with you at the end, its almost impossible to find a concrete objective meaning. Every person(a) has its own unique mask

[@willtheprodigy3819]

Most boring, difficult to follow movie I have ever seen.

[@ytchannel1682]

@@willtheprodigy3819 probably because when making the film they abandoned parts of the screenplay and let the story play out as they shot it

[@joebarnum5098]

​@@willtheprodigy3819 I dont want to sound pretentious, but if you think this is complete garbage, you probably have the attention span if a 14 year old

[@alxdregomes]

watched for the first time a few months ago for the first time and it blew my mind, highly recommend it

[@movedmindpoRUSZonyUMYS]

It's so satisfying to follow your rapid narration paired with excellent editing.

[@burgesssam]

love hearing comments on this all-timer. another great one.

[@pierrestan1907]

i thought of it as alma representing elisabet’s past and since she was silent and away from her life for so long, the persona of her past self that she created in her mind caught up to her and they became the same person

[@sopirina]

i love this interpretation

[@margicates553]

Thank you! You highlighting the duality and the breaking of the forth wall, acknowledging the viewer and witnessing the selves, really helped me! Lots to think about. Gorgeous film.

[@JasonWindsor88]

Thanks for this fantastic analysis; I just finished Persona for the first time & had to sniff around & take in more regarding this fascinating film.

[@BackboneAgZ]

Bergman was the master of Swedish Cinema, and one of the top players in world cinema. Persona is, in my humble opinion, the greatest film ever made.

[@louis5017]

good opinion

[@randywhite3947]

@@DeanH92 how?

[@lilsk5229]

It was an 8/10, y’all overhype it too much

[@cometcourse381]

@@lilsk5229 8/10 is being generous. it's more like a 5/10

[@jackwinkles3050]

@@owenjamesfarrugia5979 he does make good movies. Bergman’s are just a bit deeper. Both are good dude, stop being edgy.

[@stephenkeen5737]

That was great. Thanks. I understand it more and appreciate it more thanks to your clear explanation. Cheers.

[@fionakida]

Such a fantastic breakdown of the film, I'm torn after having watched it on what to think of my own reality! Really great job, will say the music was such a juxtaposition to the art work and heavy subject matter being analyzed that at some spots the background music for this vid threw me out of paying attention to what you were saying, but alas it's your creative decision - thank you anyway!

[@puduhari1]

I couldn’t understand the movie. I was hoping to appreciate that movie after watching this review. But I am still struggling

[@RekzaFS]

Just watched this for the first time. Masterpiece! This film is the epitome of using the film language to convey ideas. So much better than all the modern vanille dramas that prioritize substance over form, as if form wasn’t part of substance in the first place!!!

[@aidanlastname0187]

“Masterpiece” laughable. More like garbage

[@RekzaFS]

@@aidanlastname0187 one man's trash another man's treasure.

[@aidanlastname0187]

@@RekzaFS If this is a treasure to you then you got horrible taste

[@Lumb_]

nerd

[@michaelbozas]

@@aidanlastname0187 I wasn't aware that we are honored with the presence of the taste police over here. Please sir will you please allow me to enjoy a film? (It's also ironic how you're calling his taste garbage for enjoying one of the most respected, influential and generally beloved movies ever made)

[@suraj2560]

I guess the beach scene explains everything,it happened with one of the persona and in some a way it bothered her mind so may be she created alma in her mind (also she is a actor it could be one of the role she played)alma literally means soul and persona in Latin means mask so may be in the beach story with Katarina and two boys actually there was Elizabeth who was with them and she is just telling it to herself you can see Elizabeth never speaks it's only alma and alma also says nobody listens to her you are the only one so basically alma (internal self) is just a soul of Elizabeth and Elizabeth is just mask (external self)

[@jjwdpod]

Great video 👍👍👍

[@BrianCarnevaleB26]

This really is a classic drama from the Swedish master of cinema. The film itself is a psychological challenge following a nurse put in charge of a mute actress before quickly discovering that their personae are melding together.

[@Joaza998]

I guess first? Great video btw. Bergman is someone I needed to look up more.

[@caldadextra2063]

I mean I came here for Japanese high school drama and phallus chariots, but this is pretty great too.

[@highwind1991]

PLEASE DO THE CONFORMIST

[@quingold6838]

I think Chungking Express would make a great video

[@NinesShow]

Another classic and great video dog

[@christopher399]

I love this film! I got Liv Ullmann to sign the cover for me in 2019 before one of her shows. (She was on a tour, where she talked about her life and career. I went full stalker for the signature! ;P)

[@ytchannel1682]

whaaaat that's awesome

[@christopher399]

@@ytchannel1682 You can probably find it online somewhere. It's called "Liv". It's available for streaming in Norway, but not sure if it's available outside. If you're a fan it is worth the watch, as she takes you through her entire career. Personally, I enjoyed hearing her talk about her time with Bergman, and it was awesome to see her act out some of her Bergman scenes live in person.

[@MightyThor10]

Do someone know the focal length he used in closeups?

[@herobrineapril8451]

This movie is comparable to how I feel about a painting of a white canvas

[@SenhorKoringa]

Ngl I saw the title in my sub box and thought it was about the videogame

[@lucardsplace]

anyone know the movie at 1:23?

[@TheDiscardedImage]

L'Eclisse--the third film in Antonioni's monumental trilogy that starts with L'Avventura

[@lucardsplace]

@@TheDiscardedImage I've seen that film, I should've noticed! Do you have letterboxd btw?

[@Roman-wk9bk]

Great essay, thanks for making it. I would like to offer just one comment, that the background music really didn't do this video any favors. It honestly takes away from the art and what you're sharing.

[@yokie8472]

Bergman is such a g

[@mariavictoriasalita5273]

One thing that this movie which I saw for the first time this afternoon 1/10/2023 has taught me is- learn how to bridle your tongue because your own words can and may be used against you. That's why silence is golden. Moreover, never let your emotions get the better of you for it may cloud your judgement and ensnare you.

[@merasi1]

Umm what I got from the movie its that they are the same person. Like a woman with two personalities. Or even if they are not the same person, they are definitely two sides of the same coin......

[@RED01SEA]

There is no other way to explain the movie imho , its the only conclusion i got from this movie , it also makes the ending works !!! Maybe at first they were 2 women but I think at one point alma just become a placeholder 2nd personally to Elisabeth , she took her looks and mannerism and went with it , studying it like a character she was going to play

[@TheZanzibarMan]

Don't forget to like the video

[@JoJo-xp6wr]

Some random dude: BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY

[@andiarrohnds5163]

This movie is about a yeast infection by the way

[@olivialillegard2540]

LMFAOOOO STOP

[@margicates553]

😂😂😂

[@puffymcfart7782]

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[@mandyrarsh7137]

They are the same one ia the peraona of the other abd that is the puzzle...it ia work around a jungian theory...not two seperate persons no!!!

[@connormckenna5972]

Didn’t really understand this film at all

[@Octavio12341000]

Same Considered the best movie of all time and I felt stupid, uneducated lol

[@yoannloesch9210]

The important thing about this movie is not to understand but to feel!

[@connormckenna5972]

@@yoannloesch9210 well I felt confused

[@yoannloesch9210]

@@connormckenna5972 You can look the english wikipédia page of the movie. It's normal to feel very confused, dont worry

[@connormckenna5972]

@@yoannloesch9210 I still quiet liked the film though. I just don’t think it’s amazing or anything

[@107Cadi]

ahre una mujer no queriendo tener un hijo comparado a los soldados lmaooooo. Lo mas natural no querer tener un hijo, imaginate sentirte obligadx a que tu vida sea eso: parir y criar. Horrible.

[@indrekkpringi]

VOMIT

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

Persona V is better.

[@jayakrishnanjr1234]

I respect Bergman, but I think a great film is made with the right amount of many things in perfect balance, and Persona is way too far from it.

[@juliafraa6419]

I totally disagree this film was perfect to me.

[@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747]

That's the most pretentious and ignorant way to say you didn't like a film. It's fine that you didn't like it, but to say that Bergman wasn't, in any way, a good filmmaker is fucking bollocks man.

[@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747]

@@slatt__ You're comment is mesy and think is saying something when it's not.

[@herobrineapril8451]

@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 you poor thing

[@ihatefanserviceanime364]

@@herobrineapril8451 Idiot

[@romainlettuce118]

Modern art is crap. Just bc it’s quirky looking doesn’t make it a masterpiece lol

[@shuaigege12345]

Yeah i mean u can talk about existentialism and construction and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day the film doesn’t really entertain much. And when a film is boring and you are waiting for the end, it falls at the first hurdle. Just my opinion.

[@haji6886]

I mean, it's only boring if you find symbolism, existentialism, surrealism, etc. boring. I for one could never watch an action movie without feeling bored, the concept of action is not exciting to me, which is obviously subjective

[@shuaigege12345]

@@haji6886 don’t think ur logic is sound. They are only boring if i find surrealism, symbolism etc boring? That implies those things dont need to be done well, they just need to he done and are entertaining just by being there. And if ur saying i like action films, that’s a non-sequitur. Tho i don’t think ur saying that.

[@haji6886]

@@shuaigege12345 Since we're talking about an Ingmar Bergman movie here, I think you could use contextual clues to understand that the symbolism and the existentialism is well executed and hence not something I have to clarify to you The action movie ordeal was about how different people like different things, it's interesting however that you would assume it was an insult. You obviously would find an action movie boring if you didn't appreciate action. You'd find an existential movie boring if you don't appreciate questions about death, or whatever All genres are fine picks

[@shuaigege12345]

@@haji6886 one can find existentialism interesting without finding Persona interesting. That’s my point. And that’s the case with me.

[@haji6886]

@@shuaigege12345 Evidently

[@sexobscura]

*Actually more of a 'BreakDOWN' than a 'Breakthrough'*