Personal Protection: New generation Winchester Silver Tip 9mm vs 1980 Silver Tip

[@starkparker16]

The 1980 ammo has been lost in Paul's bottomless jacket pocket for 43 years.

[@Ash_95]

I'm not sure if that's a tragedy or a celebration of discovery.

[@starkparker16]

​@@Ash_95 you be the judge.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

@@starkparker16 Lol. Good one.

[@Ash_95]

@@starkparker16 of course, wth was I thinking. Lol

[@GARDENER42]

Comment of the week. 🤣

[@Valorius]

My 10yo daughter watched the movie silver bullet with me when she was 8 and was deathly afraid of Werewolves. So I went to the gunstore and picked up a box of 380 Winchester Silvertips, loaded up a mag of them to show her, pointing out that it says silver bullets right on the box, and that daddy won't let any mean old werewolves hurt her. Got a big hug from my little girl that day. :)

[@zachb.6606]

That's awesome. 😀 I remember that movie - based on a Stephen King novel I believe.

[@Valorius]

@@zachb.6606 Yep!

[@warlord2pfa]

Outstanding dad story!😊👍

[@ConditionZero76]

How cute, I have 3 daughters myself 2 of them in there 20s the baby is 14 but those are the best story's, nothing like good memories 👍🏼💯

[@seancssu]

Sold, I’ll get 5 boxes

[@chaosrex5702]

PSA: Winchester Silver Tip bullets do NOT actually have any elemental silver in them. So, do not buy these for werewolf defense.

[@rob6850]

Hmm, sounds like something a werewolf might say...

[@ElainesDomain]

@@rob6850 LOL

[@ShaminMike]

Great PSA. But very sus

[@tombrown4683]

​@@ElainesDomainme too ! LOL again !

[@chaosrex5702]

@@rob6850 I am not a werewoooo... I mean werewolf.

[@bosconeptune]

It was reassuring to see 40 year old ammo perform like new.

[@fudgerounds91]

He's demonstrated in the past, I think it was his video "Why I Don't Like 'Hyper' Ammo" that ammo can last practically indefinitely when properly stored in a cool, dry place. It is good to know that old ammo can still work well, but if you can't store ammo in an ideal location, make sure that you're cycling it often enough.

[@jefferyboring4410]

Only ammo I had fail from age was 1918 .303 British cordite ammo it would hang fire but always fired ok. Always hangfired the same ! Ammo is pretty reliable without moisture

[@phil20_20]

Humidity and temperature control. A friend of mine was on the Iowa when the turret blew. He said the Cordite they had for those guns was compromised. Just think of an old firecracker fuse that burns down all at once. (Oh, BTW, they have "GUN" stamped right into the ends of the barrels.)

[@scubaguy007]

That was my biggest take away. 👍🏻

[@keithgraham9547]

I have some Winchester Silvertip 357 Magnum I still carry and it performs fine. I also have hand-loaded 357 Magnum soft point 158 grain that I loaded about 1979 or 1980. Last summer, I shot a 15-yard cloverleafed 5-shot group, and one "flier" that was 2" high. (Knew it when I fired.) I can't get that with factory loads.

[@wolfman2702]

I came across this after Paul passed away. Wish I saw it earlier so I could thank him. Gone, but not forgotten.

[@ufc990]

I dug a few boxes out of the dungeon and looked it up on google, was expecting luckygunner to have some good dope and I'm sure they do but this was the first result i saw and couldnt care to click anything else first.

[@PPISAFETY]

I was around in the late 70's, and began testing ammo in the early 80's. Winchester Silvertip was considered one of the better standard pressure rounds of the day in 9mm, very closely comparable to the standard pressure Federal 9BP load. The problem back then with 9mm ammo and guns was that you could either get a load that expanded in a wide variety of guns, or functioned reliably in a wide variety of guns, but not both. In addition, makers of 9mm ammunition were reluctant to load the cartridge to its full potential for fear of damaging surplus guns of variable quality. Winchester was one of the first LE ammo makers to break with this policy. Federal did as well, but made hotter 9mm ammo such as the 9BP-LE load available only to law enforcement agencies that signed releases saying they knew such ammo would accelerate wear and potentially void the warranty on agency guns. Wnchester and Remington did the same. But at the time, Silvertip, if it fed in your gun, was about the best you could do in over the counter 9mm ammo, and it offered a material improvement over the typical .38 Special, paving the way for the acceptance of the 9mm semi-automatic pistol in American police service. Fast forward to the Miami shoot-out of 1986. The FBI failed miserably in this event, but not due to any lack of courage on the part of the agents. At the time, FBI agents were selected based on academic achievements, and selection prioritized agents who had either law or accounting degrees. Only one of the agents on scene that day had ever been a police officer. The agents on scene had been trained mostly for white collar crime, and that day went up against two committed killers who had a superior class of weaponry. The agents used very poor tactics in ramming the suspect vehicle in a residential area and except for one agent who was put out of action very early, were simply doing something for which they were not well trained by the Bureau. I've personally spoken with Ed Mireles who ended the killing. He was the only agent who had ever been a patrol officer, and while he never once criticized his fellow agents, he was critical of their FBI training for this sort of event. In the aftermath, the FBI simply had to have something to blame that did not seem to implicate the agents, or any training deficiencies. What they chose to blame was a single 9mm Sivertip round that produced a non-survivable wound. Medically, there is no evidence that had that round gone an inch or two deeper that incapacitation would have been any quicker, but it produced a suitable narrative and talking point. Had any other major brand of standard pressure 9mm cartridge available at the time been used, results would have likely been the same. In fact, the shootout was finally ended with gunfire from a .revolver loaded with .38 Special +P, a cartridge less powerful than the 9mm Sivertip. Since 1986, there have been at least eight versions of the 9mm Silvertip (Winchester does not publicize this), so often maligned that it perhaps should be called the 9mm Scapegoat. What we see is almost 40 years of projectile design improvements. I'd certainly use modern Silvertips in 9mm today if that was what was available to me and not lose any sleep over it.

[@bobjordan8283]

It was also responsible for bringing the 10mm into the fray so to speak because of the perceived lack of penetration! The new modern 9mm rounds really have done an excellent job of bringing the 9x19 round back into the forefront! I personally like the 10mm and EDC one but to each his or her own!

[@scottstewart5784]

Excellent comment

[@PPISAFETY]

@@rogerwilco99 I think it is only natural, and a good thing that decent people are reluctant to take human life. I've been there and it certainly wasn't fun, nor something I would be eager to repeat. But I can say that in my case, the facts were not in any way in doubt. Two men tried to kill me in an alley, through no fault of my own, and I was forced to shoot them both. I lost quite a bit of sleep for a few days, but it was about the uncertainty regarding what the system might do with me. After it became apparent that the authorities considered my actions justifiable, I had no further stress over the matter. I lost no sleep at all about my actions that night in terms of the morality of what I did. I've known quite a few officers who have been forced to kill, and for the most part it is my view that those who have the biggest issues emotionally are those who have reviewed their actions and found the necessity for what they did was potentially questionable. I have no reason to think you are anything other than a decent human being, and if that day comes for you, as long as you are certain that you had no choice, I think you'll have a similar limited reaction, which is righteous indignation for what the criminal forced you to do. My original comment was meant to express that I would have no issue in using modern day Silvertip ammunition, but your point about using deadly force is well taken. Stay safe.

[@thefirespectrum]

I need something more powerful than the like button for this comment. Thank you for sharing, sir!

[@katana258]

so the fbi lies over and over ..whats new 40 years later nothing

[@crazy8sdrums]

Paul sacrificed a perfectly awesome t-shirt for our education. We aren't worthy, but we are grateful!

[@alexanderbrown2717]

John 17 KJV 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. ✝️ truth🩸 Ephesians 1 KJV 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 KJV 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

[@crazy8sdrums]

@@alexanderbrown2717 May the blessing of Christ be with you and yours, neighbor.

[@catsamazing338]

Awesome and very relevant to what the West is going through today. ✊

[@k1mgy]

I'd wear it. A real attention getter at the range.

[@traumajock]

Double Plus Good!

[@commenter2240]

The Jacket Quick Change from New to 1980's ammo was epic!

[@Hjerte_Verke]

Member's Only jacket for the WIN!

[@warrenharrison9490]

​@@Hjerte_Verkeman, I feel old now.

[@swamphawg1]

"The Duran Duran era "sold it for me ! Paul is awesome

[@Bellboy40]

Hey guys, let's go easy on the Members Only jackets. 😄 I still have a couple that I still wear.

[@puuxexil]

No better way to start the weekend than Paul Harrell. God bless you, sir.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

There's something about Paul that reminds me of the way things used to be; no globohomo bullshit.

[@therogers4432]

Yup... ^THIS^ 😁👍

[@alexanderbrown2717]

1 Corinthians 1 KJV 1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's: 1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 KJV 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

[@phatgringo2.0]

He needs to release his own soda line. You know, for target practice.

[@SCH292]

Paul should of made the video 2 hours long. I mean that will be a EVEN BETTER WAY to start off the weekend.

[@kittykatmann]

I'm so used to the iconic hunting jacket for years, that when the fresh blue windbreaker came out, I had to do a double take.

[@Frisco-gb8cd]

I was one of the first generation of officers in our city department to transition from the Model 19 Smith to the Glock 17 in 1990. I had been on for 18 months and was reluctant to trade in my revolver for the Glock ONLY because our issue ammo was going to be the 115gr Silvertip. The Miami shootout was still fresh in our institutional memory, and we had little confidence in it. Our 158gr SWCJHP 38+P performed well. Sadly, in 1991 I had to employ the Silvertip in a critical incident. The subject took a solid high center chest hit, and one thru and thru to the right lung after the HCC round failed to stop him. Thankfully, he stopped at the second round and even more thankfully...he survived his wounds. This was a not uncommon occurrence with the Silvertip ammo. We switched to 124gr Winchester Ranger +P not long after.

[@letsdothis9063]

I found a box of the "law enforcement only" Winchester ranger from when my dad was LEO. It's stated on the box that it has higher pressure than SAAMI SPEC. Did you ever have any experience with the +p+ ranger ammo? I think that it came in 124gr and 115 grn. I would love to see some gel tests with the stuff. BTW my dad was a sheriff deputy when they switched from revolvers. They carried s&w model 66 .357s. he was also reluctant to switch, and he held out trading it in as long as he could.

[@filippocorti6760]

That 158gr SWCJHP 38+P ammo may have penetrated more deeply than the 115gr 9mm Silvertips. The narrative above sounds like the Silvertip may have reached the lung but not penetrated too far into it.

[@james618]

"Duran Duran ammo" 😂. Great video and great scenery. 👍🙂👍

[@ammohoarder]

This is also a good visual to prove that even 40 year old ammo is still viable. Not much degradation of powder, if any. So... no need to use up ammo that's been properly stored over time. Thanks Paul.

[@GARDENER42]

I must have shot thousands of rounds of 1960s Indian (OFV) 7.62x51, some looking horrible externally. Not one failure & not noticeably less accurate than Malaysian, Spanish or any other surplus. Only old stuff I had issues with was the anti twitch, 1950s Greek .303 (click . . . . bang). made for keeping a steady hold on the target. 🙂

[@markh.6687]

You would still want to rotate through your stocks, but knowing you don't have to do it every so many years without fail is a good thing. If your ammo storage is questionable, then rotating would become more important.

[@Johnfisher12345]

Rotating through your stock is usually a good idea for many different things, technically perishable or not. But for me it’s a case by case scenario. If I source some decades old ammo from an unknown source, where I have no idea how it was stored, I only use it for target practice/training, and make a point to use it up first. However, I have many sealed spam cans of a variety of different calibers, and these I will happily store with no concern for using it up quickly, as sealed spam cans properly stored have proven to me to be a very reliable source of good ammo.

[@markh.6687]

@@rogerwilco99 May you outlive your oldest ammo! :)

[@MDR-hn2yz]

When I was in Iraq in 2006-07, I remember unboxing .50 BMG ammo that had been made during the 50’s-60’s. It worked. I still have some of this Winchester Silvertip 9mm somewhere.

[@spiritsuit7846]

I love it, he put on a Member's Only jacket for the 80's stuff. Radical!

[@vanstry]

I stopped shooting silver-tipped because all of the 'experts' back then told me it had issues. It's nice to see that this new ammo is so much better. And worth buying.

[@North_Florida_Shooter]

My dad go into a shootout in 1988 when he was a deputy. He was carrying a Sig P226 loaded with silver tip. Dropped old boy like a sack of potatoes.

[@DaveL9170]

I used Winchester 115 grain +P+ in 1997 in a shooting on duty. Devastating stuff. Equivalent of Federal 9BPLE

[@kevinrichardson8859]

Sig P226 9mm 124 grain Federal hydra shok +p+ works phenomenally well too..1996 Jefferson County Police Department (Louisville, Kentucky)

[@jimmyruger7529]

Go Dad

[@iamtheoffenderofall]

Shot placement means more than caliber or bullet type.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@iamtheoffenderofall Not untrue, but penetration is a pretty significant element.

[@bryonslatten3147]

8:10 Duran Duran generation silvertip. LOL there’s a name I haven’t heard in a decade.

[@brianshuler6951]

I turned 30 in the early 1980s and can echo what some of the other "senior" members of the group have said. The Silver Tip was considered state-of-the-art at that time and was widely deployed sucessfully. I am still in retail ammunition sales and get a fair number of negative reactions to the Siver Tip name. Sadly, the vast majority of today's firearm customers are unaware that the Silver Tip was part of that battle, if they have even heard of it at all.

[@2006ManPro]

I still have 3 boxes of 1986 Winchester 115 grain Silvertip! It was/is GREAT ammo. I used it in a Beretta 92F back in the late 80's - early 90's, til we ran out in the early -mid 90's. The "old" stuff worked exceptionally well. Functioned flawlessly. The bad rapp on this great ammo was because the FBI needed an excuse for poor tactics and training.

[@davidcbrainard]

The biggest lesson the 1986 FBI shootout showed me was how much of an advantage a semiautomatic rifle is over handguns. A Mini 14 is to this day one of my two go-to defensive rifles. Enjoyed the video. My wife carries silver tips in her Kimber micro carry.

[@tsukishiro70]

Interesting rifle, that Mini-14. Wasn't it the rifle of choice of the A-Team with Hannibal Smith and B.A. Baracus back in the day as well? One of the things I recall reading after the Miami-Dade shootout was that it was the impetus for the Glaser Safety Slug's development and fielding by various and sundry law enforcement types. Being a Brit with no real personal access to firearms outside of my unstoried military career, I've got no first-hand knowledge of whether or not that was true.

[@BlueJayWaters]

Is anyone else impressed with Paul's subtle ability to prove that not only is he cool today, he was cool in his youth as well, albeit probably in a different manner than today?

[@IAmNotAHorse]

Lol with the blue “Duran Duran” jacket. Love your work Paul.

[@calmoceans6668]

Another great video. Rest in Peace my Friend…..

[@edbecka233]

When Speer brought out the Gold Dots, they had a contact team that travelled around presenting the "Gold Dot Show" to LE agencies. I was the shooter in one of these and the stats guy in another. They asked attendees to bring handguns and issue or individual ammo and compare it to the GDs in the FBI protocol. Prior to the first show, my agency had been stocking the eeeeevilllll Black Talons, and we had just ordered a restock of many thousands of rounds through our usual wholesaler. I had a 230 gr BT lose its jacket on the windshield glass. The jacket trampolined off the plastic layer of the safety glass and barely missed my noggin on the rebound. The GDHPs struck the gelatin squarely without being deflected to any appreciable degree by the glass, and gave textbook penetration and expansion in the gel. When we got out of the show, we went straight to the office and called the wholesaler. They had not yet palleted our order up, so we cancelled the black stuff and replaced the order with the gold stuff, -plus the Speer FMJ stuff for quals. When it came in, we put a directive out to bring all previously issued ammo in during the next qual period and replaced all carry ammo with the Gold Dots. At the time we were "run what ya brung" and there was an amazing variety of calibers to deal with. We later obtained the agency's first "everybody issue" weapon and standardized caliber, and I had the 'joy' of qualifying the entire agency in a mandatory transition course.

[@Tom-cp6yj]

What does this have to do with the Silvertip?

[@pnoverstreet]

Excellent comparison Paul. I love seeing these types of comparisons where we really get to see the advancements in firearm technologies over the decades. Hats off to the engineers and craftsmen who design and develop these products.

[@dryroasted5599]

Nice Members Only jacket. I wore one of those until well into the 90s.

[@meadowwalker4284]

I’m going to go ahead and give this a like even before seeing the whole video because, you know. Your vids are always quality.

[@alexanderbrown2717]

✝️know🩸Jesus Christ loves you . 1 John 5 KJV 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 KJV 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 🎁 gift of God 🎁 Ephesians 2 KJV 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Romans 4 KJV 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

[@edbecka233]

@ Paul Harrell - I was 'around' during that era as well. The caption of the photo mentioned referenced the well-ventilated deceased being shot 33 times with 9mms; it's on page 215 of the Calibre Press textbook "Street Survival" and, IIRC, gets shown in their training film of the same name. These, and other media from the same source, are among materials I used in the TX Basic Peace Officer training course while I was instructing full-time or adjunct. Being somewhat of a hoarder, I also have numerous "vintage" Silvertip loads in various handgun calibers; I'm done hoarding them, though, and will soon compare them to present-day versions in the only medium available to me, the humble water jug.

[@bryonslatten3147]

Another top notch gunTube video by Paul!

[@alliwantisfinancialstabili7414]

Carried these back in 2020 when I did security because that's all that was available. Glad to know it wasn't garbage and was quite good.

[@semichiganandy2127]

Great video, Paul. Thanks. That Miami shootout sure shook things up in the firearm community. For newer viewers, Paul did a video about it a while back and it's very informative.

[@bryonslatten3147]

2:00 I think some departments in the 80’s issued Sig P210’s, Beretta 92’s and a couple of other DA/SA pistols.

[@jamiemitchell9733]

Great way to see the advancement in the projectile design and technology. Apples to apples except the engineering and manufacturing of the bullets themselves.

[@MotoDude1967]

The Member's Only jacket was a nice touch!

[@jakebrouillette5072]

Keep it coming, Paul. Thank you

[@lennyghoul]

The "Members Only" jacket for the 80's is a nice touch.

[@TimberwolfCY]

That is definitely a huge improvement. I always felt like the Silvertip had a bit of a needlessly-bad rep, but regardless the new version seems to be quite good. Thanks for your work Paul!

[@rlmillercpa]

Milli Vanilli, Duran Duran and Reaganomics. Talk about a flashback. Glad to see bullet technology has improved.

[@Lostinthesand]

Great Video: The 1980’s was the difficult years for transition from Revolver’s to Semi Auto due to my opinion, Police Administration Stubbornly holding on to “out dated traditional views!” With that said, I went from Revolver to Semi auto using 1980 Winchester Silver tip in both weapons. As, older Police range masters, retired, newer forward thing range masters embraced new bullet technology. It was refreshing to see actual “meat target” comparison of the Old and New bullet technologies. Great evaluation!

[@goaway3717]

Great comparison Paul, thanks. I've not been into the 9mm aspect of the ammo but I did carry Winchester Silver Tip in my revolvers (raised by a cop who retired in the mid 70's so that's what I learned with and grew to love) once I started to carry in the late 90's. I think I may still have a few boxes of Winchester Silver Tip in .45 ACP, .38 special and .357 mag from the 90's in my ammo locker. I didn't start shooting 9mm until much later. Glad to see the improvements in the new stuff (at least in 9mm of course)

[@coreybenson3122]

One of my favorite handguns that I own is my Illinois State Police Model 39. Manufactured & issued in 1968. I think the ISP was one of the first mainstream departments to switch to an auto loading, semiautomatic firearm as a sidearm.

[@transtubular]

It was in fact the first in the Country...as far as I know.

[@boostimalaka1]

@@transtubular The Oxnard Police Department was using 9mm pistols.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

I believe the Illinois State Police worked with Federal to develop the 9BPLE 115 gr JHP+p+ in the early to mid 80s.

[@boostimalaka1]

@@classicgunstoday1972 The 115 grain +P+ was very effective in one shot stops as per the findings from the popular book Stopping Power. I was surprised the .32 ACP Winchester Silvertip was actually as effective compared to a 230 grain FMJ .45 ACP!

[@Supermailfatality]

The 80's jacket was hilarious, would have been even better to put a VHS filter over that portion of the video

[@RyeOnHam]

Very impressive. Over the years, I've rotated my Silvertip ammo. I shoot what I carry and load fresh ammo about once a year. Good stuff. I feel comfortable with the old stuff, but I can't say I have any from the 80's!

[@clukinvar]

Thanks for making the Modern VS Vintage Winchester Silver Tip Ammunition video.

[@robertyoung2607]

Was “there” in 1980’s Paul’s historical perspective was very good and accurate from my observations. I still have Silver-tip from the 1980’s as well ( not for carry) so I really enjoyed this presentation.

[@PALongknife]

THIS kind of content is why I subscribe to this channel! Informative historic background, dispelling long-standing cowsh|t, solid testing methodology, and measurable results! Excellent vid, Paul!

[@bassbyrdtx]

Impressive test. the consistency at the Chronograph of the new version was especially noted. Unfortunately, silver tip just don’t group well out of the two or three guns I’ve tried it in, so I’ll stick with what works for me. But if it’s the last on the shelf I won’t shy away from it.

[@Mike80528]

Not sure how I missed this one at the time, but it's nice to have a "new" video from Paul unexpectedly pop up from time to time. RIP

[@tombrown4683]

This is a very interesting comparison & very educational as well. I have thought the Silvertip wasnt as poor a choice as reputation made it out to be. I have carryed those rounds occasionally back in the 80s. Always glad to see improvement in ammunition.

[@Barely_Outdoors]

She’s hungry like the wolf. Thanks Paul!

[@rwm4738]

Paul didn't want to sacrifice his vintage Wham t-shirt for the 1980s Silver Tip meat target.

[@Valscorn01]

I don't know how cold it is where Paul is, but in the Midwest (Missouri) its already god awful humid and warm. It's not even that hot yet. Yes, I watched the video about why Paul wears his classic coat. I'm impressed he does it in warmer weather is all.

[@stevenmiller184]

Years ago I had an old .45 Government model and basically shot FMJ. My first look at a .45 sivertip was jaw dropping... what a freaking cavity, you could park a Pontiac Bonneville in the hollow point. I use silvertips in my Colt Detective Special, it is not +P rated so standard pressure only... It seems to like this round.

[@michaelgraham8854]

The flying ashtray. I still have them from the early 90 s. Nice to know they will still work.

[@milehighgimpster]

There's something about a .45 caliber hole in a person's body that just likes to change their minds.

[@bobjordan8283]

I own a Smith&Wesson 659 and love the way it feels shoots and looks! Guess I will be buying the new generation ammo to shoot through my old generation gun! Thanks for everything you and your crew does to better educate us!

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Tried any of the 17rd magazines you can get for those pistols these days?

[@bobjordan8283]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I haven't but I will look into finding some before they get banned!!

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@bobjordan8283 MecGar makes them, they're 17 round steel magazines which fit flush with the grip, so you can have just as much capacity as with a Glock 17 in the S&W 659 and 5906 pistols. There's also such magazines for the old Ruger P series pistols, and 17 and 18 round magazines for the Beretta 92 and Taurus PT92 guns.

[@beerdrinker6452]

I give a big yes to PH for producing great videos with informative and interesting content. Thank you.

[@ncsquatch2514]

I've been watching Paul for years. Somehow, I missed this one. Went looking for answers, and here he was to help. Even after he's gone, he's still a boon to 2A community. We miss you, Paul.

[@Kattbirb]

Thanks, Paul! Exactly the test I was thinking about this week.

[@jeffmartinspilatz6114]

Good stuff Paul, always learn something from watching your videos

[@MichaelRoachDavid]

Thank you for this comparison. I never had an issue with to old version. I also still own a few 80’s silvertips in 38 spec 110gr. I’m very happy to see the improvements as I now carry 147gr in 9x19.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Now this is the sort of thing that only Paul can do.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

I know he’ll never show it because he likes his privacy too much, but I can’t help but think Paul’s armory where he keeps everything is some time capsule from 1982 complete with the wood panel walls and shelves upon shelves of ammo and Tupperware boxes

[@AvengerM1]

Thank you for this Paul. RIP and know that you are still teaching us.

[@HalfBreedMix]

Thank you. Bought lots of these (in .40) during the ammo shortage, and was wondering why people didn't seem to want them and left them on the shelf. The new versions seem to work fine, so I'll carry them (they look cool in my mags as well😊).

[@robison87]

Federal hst looks like metal flowers after opening and work great.

[@Girth_Brooks01]

Im glad I live in a world where we have Paul and he's out clapping deer with pistol.

[@RustyorBroken]

Extremely great video, Paul. You set a high bar with your content, which makes it difficult to surpass. This one definitely sets a new high mark.

[@cammobunker]

I don't know about the 9mm, but I did some testing on the Win ST in .45 back in the 80s. I can tell you that it did not feed well in some guns, but man when you hit something with it that bullet got big around. I carried it in a Colt Series 80 with a custom barrel. It shot like a dream.

[@queefersutherland8495]

Paul I don't know if you keep up with the prices on vintage shirts but you probably shot up a $300 shirt. I like your style

[@SilenceDoGood4th]

I love the new silvertips. I always buy a box when I see them. Been finding them on sale at Dunham's from time to time for 16.99 a box!

[@jdparksak]

Looks like a fair comparison test. Keep up the good work Paul..

[@prebaned]

Paul still beating the odds with his eyeballs. Good video. I'll stick with Ranger t the new Talon.

[@CarsAndSodaBars]

Hey Paul. One test I would be interested in seeing you do is with hot glue slugs. They’re very similar to wax slugs but they use hot glue instead of wax. I’ve made and shot some myself.

[@laptopdragon]

@NAA Apologist Hot glue guns vs tape guns ?

[@trussmonkey5910]

I wonder if the hot glue is better then using crayon(wax) Personally I liked the hot colors with glitter crayons. I would love to see a comparison.

[@daultonhuskey2804]

thank you Paul for all of the information you have shared! BTW: I often start my rebuttal with "Well Paul Harrell said..." Be safe Bud!

[@rickm4295]

I spilled my sweet tea with that blue shirt and Duran Duran mention, lol. His name is RIO ???

[@therogers4432]

...And he dances on empty brass... 😉👍

[@rickm4295]

@@therogers4432 😂😂

[@MaizeANDBlue1957]

Thanks for this. I bought a box of these when I bought my Ruger GP100 .357 mag. and haven't done any testing. Nothing more then popping a few rounds off to get a feel for the gun.

[@kfeltenberger]

Thanks for the review! I always had a soft spot for Silvertips as they were the first defensive loads I ever bought back in the 80s. The fallout from the Miami shooting and the e-vile Black Talons drew me away, but it's nice to see that I can add them to the "Good to use!" list. I wonder if there's a werewolf meat target to test the "silver"... ;-) Yeah, I know it's just aluminum, but still...

[@oldschoolhomesteadfarm2683]

This is great i just inherited a ton of all this ammo. My uncle passed away and I got various calibers he had from then,he was a retired cop. Good to learn from Paul.

[@HatOnAHat]

This was insightful and honestly fascinating. Great presentation, Paul!

[@weaselduke]

Nice job switching it up with the meat target description, it's like my favorite chorus (repetition I enjoy) in Paul's videos.

[@scubaguy007]

My biggest takeaway is the success of 38 year old ammo! I have early 2000s bulk Winchester I've still not dipped into. So this was really fun to see. Once I started reloading, in the early 2000s it was not only theraputic, it saved me a ton and I never had to dip into the target reserves I had. It's not as cost effective, but it is still very threaputic. I recommend the Lee Turret press. Its not progressive press fast, but it's much more relaxing to me.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Good storage is everything. Look towards Turkish 7.92mm Mauser ammo for how gnarly and scary it gets if you treat ammo really poorly.

[@scubaguy007]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine two words, climate controlled. 😉

[@rsl82568]

9mm Silvertip 115 gr. is my main carry Ammo. No issues with my M&P Shield PLUS, M&P Shield (Trigger upgrade), SD9VE (Trigger and Slide Bar upgrade) no Malfunctions at all.

[@davewhaley6917]

Wouldn’t be my first choice because I like heavier weight bullets but if I needed it badly and this is all I could find, I would definitely buy a few boxes

[@ShastaBean]

will grant the assumption you've taken into consideration, but if not - or anyone else that might benefit - be sure those slower velocity, heavy bullets will expand if shooting from the shorter barrels. For someone shooting through a 3.1" Shield barrel, thinking they will get the needed velocity...that might not be true. Fortunately there are so many videos of various tests of 9mm that a person can typically find one with their choice(s). For a time I had heavier bullets loaded up and once it came to my attention it seems pretty obvious but before that, it wasn't.

[@davewhaley6917]

@@ShastaBean I have big hands so I carry a full size pistol. Glock 17. The longer barrel does give the heavier bullets the velocity needed for reliable expansion

[@ShastaBean]

@@davewhaley6917 👍

[@melvinhowell5469]

Thanks, Paul! Bought some of the new Silvertips a while back, but had hesitated on carrying it...Not now...

[@lightfoot9485]

Shot placement is probably more important than anything else with all ammo!

[@dtmelanson]

You were the best Paul. Thank you for everything.

[@anisokingo5200]

Paul harrell can you make a video about 6.8x43 spc vs 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 that would be crazy frog. ❤️👍🏿

[@Batmicheal]

I had a revolver once in 38 Special and Winchester 110gn SilverTip is all that would shoot to point of aim and it shot really well for my gun. It became my standby load until I re-homed it. I didn’t feel like it wouldn’t do the job if needed at all.

[@Dan-yw9sg]

Paul, you are a hoot! A 1984 George Orwell tee shirt to keep it authentic! Lol! Love it!! Thank you Sir for the things that you do to keep us informed! Extremely valuable.

[@007twm]

Thank you Paul for another great video. I'm glad to see the new Silver-Tip ammo penetrating and expanding better than the older version.

[@georgeorwell126]

It didn't penetrate better. Pretty much exactly the same other than one of the old-school bullets penetrating MORE.

[@donskiver]

Paul, would you be willing to do a video on 9mm 115 gr vs 124 gr vs 147 gr? Accuracy, velocity, energy, and meat target test?

[@joshuagibson2520]

Really good data. Much appreciate you sharing it all.

[@Robnord1]

1 Yeeeee Haaaa ! A Friday video from Paul!

[@Rnemhrd]

I have seen this available all over and priced well so thankyou.

[@dummy-head]

Finally a video I want to watch

[@angistowe6391]

Always enjoy Paul’s videos. I handload the Speer Gold Dot. 230 grain HP for the 45 and 124 grain for the 9

[@andywilson8698]

Would love to see another bear defense video, with the new 45acp +p 255 gr hardcast, underwood vs buffalobore!!!

[@PaulHarrell]

just got some today. So yes there will be a presentation on it. It might take a while.

[@DanTheWolfman]

@@PaulHarrell Correct me if I am wrong Paul, but for Bear Defense, wouldn't one be better with a .40/10mm (even typical flat nose fmj) than .45 because the Ogive of the .45 the angled roundedness of it may skim on the skull of a bear (maybe Hog skulls too) instead of penetrating? I believe that is a thing Alaskan folk would know more about. Maybe something to look into or mention idk..just riffing late at night. I think some respected hunters/trackers swore by .357 180 grain as well.

[@miker9043]

Thanks Paul ! I have been running silvertips in my carry gun for a long time and this video proves its a great choice !!

[@barackmycat9448]

I`m 67 and haven`t won a prize yet. Dang.....

[@JungleJimAB9AB]

Mr. Harrell has once again created content which is informative, illustrative to a higher degree than his contemporaries, and entertaining. In this production, he provides authoritative recall of the background information needed for his viewers to make informed decisions concerning this subject matter. His method for arriving at conclusions is original and uniquely his creation. Viewers of Mr. Harrell's videos are always better informed, and we anxiously await his next contribution to KZbin.

[@BarbosaUral]

Had to laugh at the "Duran Duran generation" comment.

[@terrencenichols9599]

We love you Paul. Rip my friend hope for more videos of the same a better content on the future Roy :-)