Ex-Forger Attempts To Recreate An Islamic Bottle (Waldemar Januszczak Documentary)

[@namedrop721]

It would have been nice to see the piece by itself...you know, because that’s the fooking point.

[@serenegreene6984]

Just the type of video to strike fear into the hearts of the pretentious collectors of rare antiquities.....Atta boy Shawn.

[@HappyQuailsLC]

Are they pretentious or loving the items dearly, easily mistaken by those so disinclined, for pretention?

[@serenegreene6984]

@@HappyQuailsLC Exactly.

[@nlmvanderburg]

16:17 don't ever touch or startle someone using power tools, my goodness. I imagine it was set up for this shot, but just be smart about it lol

[@namedrop721]

She’s just annoying in general, and to do such an actively stupid thing on a show all about making incredibly difficult things with fiddly and dangerous machinery...

[@ampunbangd4855]

dude its literally a set up.

[@nlmvanderburg]

@@ampunbangd4855 You know how I wrote: "I imagine it was set up for this shot..." Bruh. I was commenting that documentaries and media like this make an example for viewers, and not everyone is smart enough to realize that it's staged.

[@ampunbangd4855]

@@nlmvanderburg ah sorry i probably was high when reading your comment dude. didnt notice it sorry

[@nlmvanderburg]

@@ampunbangd4855 Fair! Sorry I came off aggressive right off the bat. And thank you for comin back with no fear of mistakes lol. It's refreshing to see where so often people just wanna start a fight club in the comments section. :))

[@cobmal6278]

Incredible, such a great craftsman and artist, GENIUS NOT WASTED.

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

He is just the most incredible artist, there’s nothing he can’t make, amazing.

[@DavidEFarner]

We BARELY got a look at the finished piece. More close-ups overall, please.

[@galaktikai]

the miners are like. "its a job." while shes just losing itover sparkly rocks

[@bananahpolkadot]

I’ve been looking for good craft history videos for SO LONG!!! Thanks so much for this!! I hope there are more craft history episodes in the future ❤️😁

[@cherami1510]

The drill bit has to be absolutely dead center to work (doesn't clamp down crystal jig and diamond drill bit is wobbly).

[@megwilcox9774]

Imagine making that without power tools or modern abrasives! I'd love to see someone do the experimental archeology to see how it was originally done.

[@stephss]

I thought that was the premise of the video. I'm pretty disappointed.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

Me too

[@canadiangemstones7636]

It’s not complicated. Simply takes months, and months, and months of work.

[@masa461]

It's not complicated, yet nobody did it to actually show how it was supposedly done in the past. The only way to know how this has been done in the past is to use authentic materials and tools, otherwise this is just a video about a contemporary artist who works with modern tools and creates contemporary artwork inspired by some supposedly ancient works of art.

[@jennylawson1980]

This is beyond beautiful. I am in awe of these beautiful talents and historical items. Wow

[@TimGreig]

Amazing craftsmen is Shaun, but someone should buy him a drill press. That drill mounted on a frame and lever was wobbling around like it was destined to take off.

[@claudettedelphis6476]

Thank you for this unique perpective on the art world 🎁🖼 So enjoy 😉 all your presentations 🛎

[@mza2195]

I hope that for you also. Have a good day, Miz A

[@izaacbuckley4520]

Well done, Shawn. Fine work and perseverance.

[@pcbif]

That was great! Really informative. I love these.

[@HumanResource-sp6fg]

Wow....ALL my favorite things in life: rock crystal, egypt, carving, history, and the V&A museum. This show can't get any better for me, thank you for posting and your hard work Shaun

[@TheIrishmanFootball]

Absolutely love these. Sean is brilliant!

[@TheIrishmanFootball]

Come to Waterford. People have lumps of rock crystal decorating, and buried in, their gardens all across the City. They were everywhere in the 80's.

[@anishulislam148]

On my way

[@timmullen678]

That’s lead crystal glass from Waterford blow by glass blowers not carved from clear stone.

[@akmaruta]

A great history lesson. Guess Mr. Greenhalgh is an ancient Egyptian jeweller reincarnation! From Brazil with love.

[@mskaddicat]

Great little vid, but I'm unclear about the finished vessal.. the pattern on the side is totally different to what Shaun started with. What happened there?

[@jamienelson3470]

Wow, he is beyond talented! He is a genius. I'm definitely a new fan.

[@HumanResource-sp6fg]

Me too

[@sinnombre-xs9ub]

This man amazes me, thanks for posting these

[@bricksloth6920]

Woot! Saturday Waldemar vid!

[@dsantamaria713]

Utterly brilliant work! Even the little box was stunning! I can't imagine how that piece in the display was made... It's huge, and so intricate, and the age of it makes me wonder what tools were used 1k yrs ago.. Just magnificent! ♥️

[@rizalukman7982]

When I was in my high school I went to Sydney and I found out there are a lot of man making hand Made crystal carving in darling harbour

[@deborahduthie4519]

Maybe if the advise from a Lapidarist would have made your job very much easier. A brace holding your crystal structure, within a water filled vessel, with 50,000 grit Diamond dust floating , in the water as it spins?

[@timsager6153]

How did the ancients carve out the inside of the curve ?

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

Good question. I guess they used curved tools and lots of elbow greasing

[@gobinajager7832]

I enjoyed this video. Thanks for posting.

[@jennyludwig7598]

Great video. The design sudendly changed to a simple pattern at the end. If the vine design was to complicated to be realised why they don't mention it simply. He seams to be a little sad while presenting the flask after all his work.

[@jackmundo4043]

Tremendous artist. One of the greats in my lifetime.

[@victorsartor1808]

thanks for sharing. excellent series.

[@harveydecker6381]

Simply amazing. Very skilled artist. Thanks

[@rosalindmartin4469]

Here i grew up sewing skirts and aprons et al. on a pedal Singer sewing machine. I do imagine pedal powering of some sort

[@masa461]

It should be, such tools have been around for a long time.

[@vanessagoddess1]

1:40 absolutely exquisitely beautiful

[@StephiSensei26]

Oh thank you Waldemar! "Forgery for Dummies" is just what I always wanted to do. Does it come with a certificate of achievement? Great program. Brilliant! (Pun absolutely intended!)

[@garydude1991]

is it just me or was the chemistry between them just absolutely active?

[@momouwu1937]

8:51 He left my man on hold. Didn't even shake his hand

[@rosemarienin9823]

I wonder if using jeweler’s polishing slurries, as the stuff used to polish opals (see black Australian opal sites) might have cut time spent polishing?

[@crustycobs2669]

Beautiful and amazing pieces. Those clever Egyptians.

[@bhargavakasarla]

It would be great if you guys focused more on the crystal rather than unnecessary walking shots and staged scenes

[@johnknoefler]

Shaun doesn't secure his jig for the crystal and has a crap bit that wobbles. This is how you create a fracture in a fragile stone.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

Yeah it's pretty easy to see how the first one developed a crack. I was actually pretty surprised that the diamond wheel didn't destroy the second one, you could hear it wasn't tracking concentric when it contacted the crystal.

[@andrewmantle7627]

Thank-you for what you give us.

[@Alyosha84]

As a non-native speaker I do understand linguistic variety and need for more democratic approach to expression and accent, but in all honesty I do miss old school BBC English, and especially those times of normal calm talking without these emphatic exaggerations and artificial hyped-up exuberance intended to keep those with ADHD anchored... Fantastic program, but sadly both narrator and the main art historian (both recognized experts) sound mildly cocainized. The master forger was a bit camera shy but much more composed and coherent, if I may say so.

[@luiscuixara4622]

"You're Mister Leonardo". This is the man who drew "La Bella Principessa", and a good many eminent Leonardo scholars assure him that he's mistaken, even now.

[@Gizzmo112]

Respect for Shaun's work, given he used such poor tools. He should have used a proper bench drill with a stable mount for the crystal. This thing he made from wood looked very unstable.

[@TimGreig]

Totally agree: a Bench Press Drill, a lathe and then polishing it with a drill clamped to the bench!

[@janicemcleod1873]

I'm wondering how much it costs to make it.

[@you2angel1]

Her reaction while on her exploring adventure In seeing the stones is a gem in itself. It take for granted that I live in Wyoming the Gem State. Go crystal do for fun. A lot of a do, because it's Wyoming. The best place to go Wyoming is outside of Yellowstone. Highest gem stone capacity in Wyoming available to the public. Wyoming has ust about every gemstone there is scattered throughout. What makes this possible is Yellowstone MASSIVE Volcano and geothermic activity throughout the state. Walk anywhere Around the Cody city limits just outside of Yellowstone keeping your gaze at the ground chances are you'll see something sparkling backup at you through the ground 😉 Its so common placed that I forget that people don't get to experience this. , & when they do for the 1st time it's priceless °~.♡.~°

[@amc8409]

I thought Idaho was the gem state... What is "go crystal do" & "a lot of a do"? Is it a slang term for rock hounding? I'm not being sarcastic..I'm trying to learn about new activities.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

I never been gem hunting nor to a gem mine. I'd absolutely loved to!

[@UNUSUALUSERNAME220]

@@amc8409 You are right! I'm not sure how someone who lives in that state could get that wrong but, Idaho is The Gem State. Wyoming is, The Cowboy State, The Equality State even Big Wyo but it definitely is NOT, The Gem State.

[@danyelnicholas]

Very interesting project and impressive craft. One thing I'll never understand is why, when the finished bottle finally came out of the box we had to watch the faces rather than the bottle. Also, what happened to the floral design? I did not see the Kufic inscription closely but it did not look very convincing from what I did saw.

[@jimmyday656]

This is a great show

[@HumanResource-sp6fg]

The Islamic bottle that Shaun made is sooo nice, cheers to a great job!!!

[@shelleyharris2850]

Holy moly. That vase.😇🙌👏😎

[@Atenderone]

Glassblowers work quartz, perhaps the vessel was made with heat in a furnace and hand carving (cold working) at the end. Seems to make more sense than someone carving a giant chuck.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

Glass is not quartz.

[@farahjanine]

Tell me if this is a stupid question ... but then was this filmed? Upload in January 2021 ... it looks like they have summer there ... right? Just curios

[@justagirlsd3000]

Imagine hand carving no electric tools. How long did that huge vase take?

[@mitel021]

2:00 expectation Vs 26:53 reality. 😬 I'm no gem cutter, but I could see by the way he put a drill in vice grips, he wasn't qualified to do the ambitious work he sought to do. Maybe that's why he got caught and went to jail in the past.

[@joehynes5929]

do you have any idea as to the extent of items this man forged and who he fooled? he fooled sothebys, christies the british museum and the list goes on. the queen unveiled one of his pieces at a museum. he is incredible and probably the best craftsman forger we have ever seen.

[@Dmbm789]

What a legend this guy is

[@melanieohara6941]

Oh, Waldy-Thanks! Such a reminder of my Grandmother Peterson’s American Crystal Collection here in Wyoming fron late 19th/Early 20th Century Treasures, now shared by the family generations to follow. ❇️

[@al2207]

from what source is dating come from ? i will be more incline to be a pre dynastic time in line with so many impossible rock carving

[@treewizzard]

the failure rate for these things would not be 9/10 failures, thats just what you get for buying things off the internet. if you can inspect the crystals before you buy them you arent going to buy cracked crystals.

[@mayageorge1847]

He was working way too fast. The crystal was fine.

[@treewizzard]

@@mayageorge1847 the crystal had flaws and he might have been too fast with clearly not very good equipment. if everything was perfect and that core drill wasnt so wobbly it would take lots and lots of force to break the stone like that. he said he has made others and he made the vessel in the video.

[@andrewmantle7627]

I think Shaun is trying to remove too much material too fast. Getting the contact point too hot.

[@mayageorge1847]

Yes! Stone carving is not just about tools and knowledge, it is about patience!

[@Trth1707]

Work of art.

[@HappyQuailsLC]

What about smoothing the crystal's surface by annealing and acid etching? This could be done after protecting the designed areas.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

Don't think that's how Egyptians did it

[@masa461]

Did the Egyptians use modern power tools? This is not a historical reconstruction, this is just a guy trying to make a copy of an old carving with modern tools and failing miserably.

[@nefwaenre]

This and other late pieces often get neglected here. Our culture is more than just our ancient ancestors, ya know? We have Greco-Roman art too, the Byzantine art and of course the Arab art (which continues to this day). So thanks for bringing this into the limelight.

[@njcaveexplorer]

I have found success in cutting using air......vacuum to remove the dust and a continuous flow of low volume air on the cutting area.

[@fionabryant7923]

Wonderful mind he has

[@conductor666stitch]

So theories on how it was made 3000 years ago without a diamond drill?

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

These vessels were dated to a thousand years, not three thousand, and he demonstrated how it was done with a bow drill.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

1000 years. Not 3000.. Get your history straight

[@masa461]

1000 years or 3000 years, that's not the point, the point is that he never showed how to do it without modern power tools. And no, he has not demonstrated how this can be done with a bow drill. If he drilled at least 1mm into the crystal with a bow drill and then switched to power tools to save time, I would agree that he showed how to do it without power tools, but he didn't.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

@@masa461 Maybe read a book FFS This has been well documented in antiquity, by the people that did it, and demonstrated in modern times. Just because you didn't see him doing it with a bow drill in this particular video, doesn't mean it's not possible and it was never done in the past. There's a difference between being a skeptic and burying your head in the sand.

[@masa461]

@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper The point of the video was to show how it was done in antiquity, but he didn't do it. And if they were just going to use modern tools anyway, why didn't they film somebody who knows how to do it right?

[@conniem3676]

just how would the inside have been holllowed out?

[@Keymagination]

"A diamond in the rough" or "A crystal in the rough" would be apt description of this documentary. There is a lot of rubbish to go through to enjoy the sheer knowledge of the ancient arts and crafts. Lady host is overly rambunctious in the contrary to grumpy and reclusive craftsman to raise comedic efect like black vs white and so on. It really makes hard to go through... I sort of want and fear to see more of "Handmade in Bolton" because of cheap contrast comedy. I simply would love to see more of Shaun Greenhalgh alone explain his hardships to recreate the art.

[@iranoncarter8280]

Is it 10th century BC or After C ?

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

1000 Common Era (A. C.)

[@matthewbattie1022]

I don't understand why he doesn't at least use a drill press with a good arbor and bearings. Or better yet a mini lathe and a dremel. If he is going to use modern tools he might as well use the right ones. The carpenter seems more equipped to do the begining work. Where Shaun seems to shine is the carving!

[@robertyarbrough9008]

Absolutely terrible, such a shame that these evil influences can be spoken of on the internet. Keep this out of your homes.

[@lamontcranston3177]

"An Islamic Bottle" ?! A Catholic spoon perhaps? A Jewish salad fork maybe?

[@mitel021]

3:55 did they hire red cocktail dress pedestrian to just stand there in the midday street for color balance? Weird.

[@moiraswife]

LOOOOL I THINK THEY ACTUALLY DID

[@garydude1991]

lol definitely. I would have never known unless you said it.

[@TimGreig]

That WAS weird

[@anonymousbosch9265]

I’d have that crystal under water if I was going to use a power drill

[@sherryshelton8284]

FANTASTIC~!

[@th-pw8pn]

The presenter Dr Janina Ramirez made this basically unwatchable... :-/

[@tersamathew7034]

Agreed

[@podaly]

How would the original artisans due this without high speed drill and grinders?

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

slowly and carefully?

[@OstblockLatina]

I just can't help but wonder if that woman has only one pair of shoes and one dress, alternatively a number of identically looking ones. Because she wears the exact same thing in every episode. Although it would be more accurate to say that the shoes and the dress wear her...

[@franciscouderq1100]

Ostblock Latina: yup and she is having a hard time walking with such prosthetic pair.

[@donbarile8916]

nobody mentioned the sensible shoes. my first clue that this was going to be BS.

[@kenboydart]

Perhaps if he used a real drill press that did not wobble and destroy the rock ?

[@mydigitallife8311]

The carpenter don't know what kind of wood he used. He is a cobbler....

[@johnsmith1474]

2:58 He is misstating the process. You make the form, THEN you polish with machinery ( very easy), then you cut the decoration. Just as with glass object of the same type. You don't core drill it, you use a tiny drill, then larger & larger. His press is a piece of junk, he's a clown.

[@alexnicholas2938]

The sounds of his work was basic stone torture...too fast and off center sounds. You can source all the quartz crystal you need in Arkansas and much larger...hand held work will allow you to slightly cut down the uneven distribution of the diamond tools pressure on the stone.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

Was he in Arkansas? Nope. Did he order it online. Yep.

[@ohmyblindman]

A proper drill-press would be in order, even a cheap-ass one from China is going to give you a better result than the contraption he's using at 15:49. The noticeable wobble at the contact point of the bit has me smh.

[@n_Y_c__n_Y_c]

Lol why didn't he shake his friends hand hmm 🤣

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

Right?! Noticed it and he pushed his friend inside his own atelier. Wthh

[@AsheleaPenquite]

I came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed that. He was obviously offering his hand and the artist just shoved him inside, as said above. Very peculiar.

[@shelleyharris2850]

Black and red dress to.

[@tstuff]

I wonder if the crystals found in Herkimer NY would be quality enough to make some of these and how much one could sell for at the size he made. Obviously if someone were to make some of these they could not be sold as anything but reproduction work. Put inside a beautiful box like he had made with a nice silk lined interior. For people with some money but not at the level a museum has for buying the real things.

[@Bonita.ch1]

16:20.... i got nervous 😅

[@orbitalsatellite]

"This guy can make anything". Me: Oooo, wooow. Can't wait to see the end result! Finished product: Me: Ummm... Can't even do a simple pattern with curves. "It has to be exact centre". EyEbAlLs It. That guy is so dodgy. "I kept a record of how many hours". LOL.

[@Johannes_Brahms65]

Romans had glass!

[@jcarlos1834]

@ Rik Hendriks, Yes, but at 5:26 Dr Janina Ramirez explains that "the Quran states that, in paradise, they can drink in rock cristal vessels". Hence the importance of cristal rock made vessels at that time.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

It's a matter of craftsmanship not making usable glass. And crystal is not the same as glass anyway. You can still buy a lot of vases and other decorative items in crystal. Do you really believe that it is made of glass? 🤣

[@jcarlos1834]

@@bulletsfordinner8307 Ok, but rock cristal vessels had (or still have) for them (the muslims) a special religious simbolism; in this case, glass vessels or gold vessels would not have the same appeal.

[@stiannobelisto573]

@@jcarlos1834 that is meant more as poetry, not to be taken as science

[@peterlee9691]

How ironic buying crystals online, lots of fake man made quartz out there.

[@gh0st_0f_b0b_chandler]

this video would be 100% better without that woman in it

[@amc8409]

Please forgive my ignorance, but this is the first show I've seen. So, Shaun paid the dude for the box (100!? Wow!)...I was expecting him to get paid as well. I wonder how much it would cost. Especially since he gilded it after doing all that work. Gianina is pretty bossy & seems to act entitled.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

She's not his boss. She got an idea and brainstormed with him challenging him to do it.

[@jimbosteen2935]

I don't like the idea getting online, c'mon get it raw,more problematic

[@gurucarcar]

Dude, why copy when you could have created your own thing. WOW!

[@pufkfzoi8525]

I have the same non-professional, make shift Workshop

[@TheSkyballs]

lol look they used a stick and a string and made this, well im going to use a diamond bit electric drill and it's very difficult🤯🤮👍👨‍🏫 obviously they didn't use a string and stick with a copper dowel that somehow has diamond powder embedded😹😹 wheres an Egyptian diamond drill bit🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️

[@PilotVBall]

You can't create that without electricity and electric powered tools.

[@fionabryant7923]

100 quid for a wee box!!!! Shame on him

[@tinekedijk7385]

More clear speech , less Janina.