Perspectives on the Pandemic | Dr. John Ioannidis Update: 4.17.20 | Episode 4

In this long-awaited follow-up to his interview in late March, Dr. John Ioannidis discusses the results of three preliminary studies, (including his latest, which shows a drastically reduced infection fatality rate); the worrisome effects of the lockdown; the Swedish approach; the Italian data; the ups and downs of testing; the feasibility of "contact tracing", and much more.
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COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California
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Population-level COVID-19 mortality risk for non-elderly individuals overall and for non-elderly individuals without underlying diseases in pandemic epicenters
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What Other Countries Can Learn From Italy During the COVID-19 Pandemic
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Dr John P.A. Ioannidis is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
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[@larry2001]

before they force all humans to take this new vaccine / i think all humans should be forced to watch this video / and then let the individual decide if they want to be injected with a UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE THAT IS BELIEVED TO ALTER OUR DNA

[@karlhalmos-westram3221]

@@larry2001 Even if we don't know what this vaccine consequences could be (I've not done research on the topic with DNA mutations), we should keep our right to make free and informed decisions like we always do since the Nuremberg treaty. Unfortunately, there are side effects that could not be measured and defined during clinical trails over the upcoming months since they can appear with time such as DNA mutations, neurological complications etc. I hope that the trials will be robust and well designed without any "rush" due to the emergency.

[@jwapatoo]

Episode 2: «This video has been removed for violating KZbin's Community Guidelines»

[@DS40764]

I have and they are outstanding and valuable

[@cinnamonbun5530]

Please tell me where I can watch episode 2 and 5 ..they are already removed😫😫😫😫 somebody!!!! Plssss

[@weledamaria8149]

I am a german Intensiv care doctor, Prof. Ioannidis is absolutely right with his studies - a very brave scientist - Thank you Prof. Ioannidis!

[@michaelmuller6890]

Ich hab dich schon mal unter einem anderen Video gesehen :)

[@m.s.5258]

Kannst du mir erklären, warum sich so wenige Ärzte zu Wort melden? Ist es Angst? Druck von oben?

[@74Mezzo]

@@m.s.5258 Man hat doch bei Dr. Wodarg, Prof. Streek, Prof. Püschel und selbst Prof. Bhakdi gesehen, welchen Shitstorm es gibt, wenn sie es versuchen. Ich hoffe aber, dass sie im Hintergrund einige Fäden ziehen.

[@docmiguel]

"Weleda Maria" sounds more like a Heilpraktiker than an intensive care MD .. ;-)

[@RainerWinkelschleifer]

Doc Miguel Doesn’t matter what it sounds to you, since it’s a artificial KZbin name. Doc Miguel on the other hand sounds like a gay barber that tries to sell supplements to you. Now please subtract yourself from the Internet now.

[@vagelistheodorulakis]

Very proud for this thoughtful and sincere Greek man!!! Congratulations

[@davidhalldurham]

Sadly, only about 0.0001% of the American population will hear this excellent interview because (1) it's too long for most people and (2) he's talking too rationally and calmly. People are drawn to panic and exploding heads.

[@shovelcharge]

David I am spreading this gospel. I won’t let my rights get violated by dictators and the brainless masses.

[@sirnickjames]

Haha!

[@palmtree9815]

so very true

[@timmcgrath3995]

David And MSM won’t report it

[@patrickm3807]

I agree with you. I tweeted recommending Dr. John Ioannidis' previous interview knowing it was way too long for most. He was interviewed on Fox by Bill Hemmer for about two minutes; all he had time to do was speak in generalities being careful not to say anything to conflict with so call experts; disappointing.

[@CoreyChambersLA]

Dr. Ioannidis is the most reliable and honest of top epidemiologists because he discloses medical data and analysis in a non-partisan, non-political manner, with an emphasis on neutral impartiality for the benefit of society and patient outcomes.

[@zencat55]

And uses antibody tests that are unreliable and he knows they are. It's amazing to me that he would be drawing all these conclusions so early in the game. Frankly, as a reseach scientist he should know better.

[@daggerdc100]

Lol. No. You are all being fooled by his demeanor. All he does is criticize others’ data when the studies he performs are of far lower quality than the very ones he critiques.

[@soniapodloch7936]

@@zencat55 There have been many studies- in iceland, new york, los angeles, etc. that concluded the same results as his study. Considering California is on shut-down, they did the best they could and their results are lining up with professionals globally. So what's your point?

[@Legionary42]

zencat55 If you read the study you would know the test performance was ascertained and accounted for using 3324 specimens for specificity and 157 specimens for sensitivity. The results and conclusions take this into account and all appropriate caveats are listed.

[@jub8891]

that professor in the UK who gave us the 'millions of deaths' model.. he was caught breaking lock down laws to meet his married lover..

[@irisnousi3342]

This is how a scientist should work and speak. Thank you mr. Ioannidis!!!!

[@irisnousi3342]

@Dan Sutton you are right. But he also said that a vaccine for coronavirus is not going to be easy because in animals that we had vaccines for coronavirus they were dangerous (as a vet I know that it's true) . So indirectly he says the truth about Corona vaccination. Thank you very much for the links

[@bubblefroggy1]

@Dan Sutton Yours is a very good example of a quote taken out of its context. He says further that a corona virus vaccine is a very difficult thing to develop and we're not sure of getting there. Your comment is an illustration of a basic technique of how propaganda works, you've taken Professor Ioannidis' words out of their real context. Moreover, for your information, they've not yet been able to develop a corona virus vaccine since the previous instances of corona epidemics ... that is for more than ten years now. They tried it for animals, but as Prof. Ioannidis, again, explains, they're not even safe for animals. If you want a good look at dangerous people as far as developing vaccines is concerned, here you are: childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/

[@pibyte]

Exactly! A scientist should always just say that what I want to hear.

[@irisnousi3342]

@@pibyte I want to hear that I will be a millionaire, so I didn't thank him because he told me what I wanted to hear. As a veterinarian with a PhD in surgery a have the ability to understand true science

[@bubblefroggy1]

@@pibyte A real scientist should always teach you and help you think by yourself, not to accept being led by the nose and accept anything at face value or because that's what people say or have thought for centuries. Without real scientists you would still believe the earth is flat or the sun plunges into the sea to be eaten by some snake which may prevent the sun ever to rise again, ... if we don't do the sacrifices the priests tell us are necessary for the sun ever to rise again. And we live these days at the dawn of a new dark age where science doesn't count if it cannot be turned into immediate huge profits. Many so-called experts are owned/financed by people who don't care a toss about science or the well-being of mankind, except in their PR or propaganda, while all they care about is getting more and more power/money. They couldn't care less about you, your children or anyone else as long as they cannot turn you into huge profits, now and anyhow. Just take a look at the US private prison system, for instance. Next to 3 million people incarcerated in the US, most of them for no real crime at all. 94% of them without ever have seen a judge or a jury. We're ruled by psychopaths only obsessed by their own power. Never forget that.

[@inthenebula92]

It's so odd listening to someone this sensible in an era of hysteria. I love that Dr. Ioannidis doesn't claim to be the last word on the science surrounding this crisis. He's looking for the truth, not trying to prove he's right. A lot of great points were brought up (such as how unnecessary contact tracing would be at this stage) and I look forward to hearing the results of his next study. Thank you so much Dr. Ioannidis!

[@chickenmuffin]

PearlOfWisdom Most news and professionals were like this as recently as the early 90s. It is sorely missed.

[@laurie459]

Amazing, finally TRUTH. This is ALL exploited to get Trump. Evil.

[@DigoronKavkaz]

I'm no longer so concerned about the virus than I am of the government now.

[@N0k4N]

"When the Government fears the people, there is liberty. When people fear the Government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

[@capitalizingondumbmoney1679]

You cant fear the us govt because its a democracy... y’all understand that right... not one person can force something to happen it gets voted... and plus sugar daddy trump can only serve two terms

[@jamex_art]

Pandemic and Politics a very bad cocktail

[@RichRich1955]

The Russian government?

[@tohopes]

still naive. the next step is to realize that this government was produced through democratic process and really represents the inclinations of your fellows.

[@ferrantepallas]

I cannot praise this serious and honest scientist enough, nor the superb interviewer. We are FINALLY learning about the truth!

[@hooplehead1019]

The interviewer ist not superb, but clearly shows both his huge unqualification and bias when posing the questions. Ioannidis does a very good job of not letting himself drawn into answering the questions as they are posed to be answered. For example, the interviewer simply talks BS when he spouts his anti-vaxxer claim of getting a life long immunization by natural immunization would be better than by vaccines which only give you ten years of immunity. This is just plain wrong: You get a 2nd measles shot and also have 99% life long immunity against measles, not risking the possible consequences of an infection. This is dangerous anti-science he has in his head.

[@yasharenner6681]

@Scotland1908 amen. People believe in vaccines like they once did about leeches.

[@The64v]

@@yasharenner6681 Vaccines are the new bloodletting.

[@edringo9442]

I worked with John for years. Smart guy. Usually right. In this case, very probably right.

[@jimdog22001]

Dr. Ioannidis is a truly rare combination of brilliance, empathy, and modesty. I studied his work while in grad school at Cal and I think his thoughts are the very best resources on this pandemic.

[@1960ARC]

Check out Dr Sam Bailey. I really think that many doctors are indoctrinated, I no longer believe that a virus passes from person to person. Many doctors say you don't catch a virus, you earn it! Also exosomes have been undentified that appear to resemble a virus or are what doctors call a virus. If this is correct then what big pharma have deemed a virus, is just part of our own immune system!

[@rolfschattschneider]

One of the best interviews here on KZbin. Best wishes from Germany.

[@blueskyhorsemanship3068]

Rolf Schattschneider Richtig, ich hoffe unsere Regierung hört ihm zu...

[@littleidiot153]

Ich hoffe Deutschland hört ihm zu, bevor alles zu spät ist..

[@timlong9233]

Bravo, Dr. Ioannidis! You’ve been a calming, data-minded voice from the beginning and I thank you.

[@foggymedia]

Dr.Ioannidis is incredibly thoughtful and measured.

[@sokol2954]

@M H what's the aim of this pandemic? Iam from Belarus, and the schools came to the work again this week. We don't understand what's happening...

[@gunnarkaestle]

@@sokol2954 The aim of SARS-CoV-2 is to replicate. medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56 Here are some statistics on the COVID-19 development in Belarus: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belarus/

[@aphotosyntheticworld]

I wonder if you still feel that way. He talks about bad data and then comes to a different conclusion with his own bad data.

[@tesovicn]

It takes a true hero to speak the truth these days.

[@Lucifer-nh6pu]

Am I one of your hero ?

[@CaWiVideo]

Ненад Тешовић whats so heroic here ?

[@pixsym]

@@CaWiVideo I suspect the original comment was implying a notion of Approved vs Unapproved truth in our modern society. This is Unapproved and similar content has been censored as a result. This video may fall victim to similar fate.

[@larrywillis4148]

Too many speak the truth, then after coming under fire for it, , bow, grovel and whine an apology thus losing all respect.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

Firefighters fight fire, John Ioannidis fights the firefighters. That doesn't make him a hero but a corrupt piece of shit.

[@anawipazukawaste5378]

Dr John Ionnidis you are rays of light and hope in darkness

[@Diamonddavej]

This is their advert looking for people to test, they wording recruited as many COVID-19 as possible, it was not a random sample: "FREE COVID-19 Testing --needed to calculate prevalence of disease in Santa Clara County What? Get tested. FDA approved [Lie, not FDA approved] antibody test for Coronavirus. To test the prevalence of disease in our county, we need 2500 residents. The antibody test differs from the swab test that measures infectious patients actively carrying the COVID-19 RNA in their nasal passages. The serum antibody test determines whether your immune system has fought off the virus and created antibodies to protect you from future exposure. Since the first cases appeared in November/December in Wuhan, China until the U.S. banned flights from China, an estimated 15,000 residents of Wuhan would have traveled to the U.S. so the disease likely entered the California in December (based on 2019 travel data). Who? HEALTHY volunteer who lives in Santa Clara County. ONE PERSON per household. 2500 people to be tested. When? APRIL 3rd and 4th. THIS WEEK. 7AM-5PM. How? (link) Why get tested? (1) Knowledge - Peace of mind. You will know if you are immune [lie, there's no evidence immunity last after infection] . If you have antibodies against the virus, you are FREE from the danger [Lie] of a) getting sick [Lie] or b) spreading the virus. In China and U.K. they are asking for proof of immunity before returning to work [Lie]. If you know any small business owners or employees that have been laid off, let them know-- they no longer need to quarantine and can return to work without fear [Lie]. If you don't want to know the results, we don't need to send you the results. (2) Research - Contribute to knowledge of the prevalence of virus spread in Santa Clara County. This allows researchers to plan hospital bed needs and forecasting where to allocate public health resources. This will help your neighbors and family members." www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUS/comments/ftxwl7/treatment_news_5_critically_ill_covid_patients_on/fma61og? This obviously worded to attracted as many people who had COVID-19 symptoms in the past as possible and want to know if they are immune. The study is biased, unreliable.

[@sunnydlight2375]

@@Diamonddavej double down shadow person. he MUST have it be so that it's wayyyyy worse than can imagine. Just like CnnGods and edgy validation folk say. Double down!!! Yahhhh!!!!!

[@gunnarkaestle]

@@Diamonddavej The study seems to suffer from selection bias. When you offer self-selection by volunteers, probably those individuals eat the bait more often which are quite interested in the disease e.g. because they had a COVID-19 case in their social neighbourhood. It is funny because Dr. Ioannidis wrote in 2005 a paper with the title "Why Most Published Research Findings Are False". I wonder why he didn't mention the caveats about the Santa Clara survey in his interview. I am pretty confident that he is aware of the selection bias. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Ioannidis_%282005%29_Why_Most_Published_Research_Findings_Are_False.pdf

[@katarinaschafer3682]

Thank god, there is sanity in the midst of this misery...thank you so much Dr.Ioannidis! Thanks from Germany...and thanks to Journeyman Pictures, sharing your work as much as possible! With appreciation & gratitude...

[@yannis9790]

The problem with Prof Ioannidis is that he is the best worldwide. Noone can doubt his expertise. Good advice to all who believe Corona is a dangerous pandemic. Hurry up with ur negative comments. People wake more and more up und understand that it all about limitation of human rights, big business and control

[@43pence48]

I love listening to this calm, balanced doctor. He makes the world seem safe again, tentatively.

[@luckylui3282]

Well an emotional response short circuits your critical thinking. Something to keep in mind. My read is he is, understandably, very politically astute with his language. Largely supports common vaccine and covid narratives but this is offset with a rational read on the actual data (which has been available from many other sources). Off-guardian.org is a good rational source for covid info.

[@godislove8740]

Well it's just common sense actually.

[@rhysmanley]

This man is not to be trusted. See statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/04/19/fatal-flaws-in-stanford-study-of-coronavirus-prevalence/

[@palmettobreeze6812]

Well I’m an American Greek I think your a huge Malaka who is just hoping that he is wrong because you know orange man bad.

[@julietucker9247]

Finally a voice of reason with facts. Thank you for all you do!

[@sweetsonicmusic-electronic911]

A year on from this interview and we've not listened to a word this amazing man, and others like him, has said.

[@sandig621]

I must of shared episode:1 hundreds of times to help people not to worry at beginning of this ‘con’ but no one listened, very sad.

[@TrialAndError8713]

I really like that this man exercises a great deal of humility while he explains in terms most everyone can understand. He does not dumb things down.

[@sunnydlight2375]

@@spikehyzer2323 Democrat definitely. Boomer? Maybe. Pyschosis? Yes. Let's see what else can I detect from your response.... Probably watch CNN or MSNBC. Probably not very talented or smart. Well..I take that back. From the sound of things, you're WAYYYYY smarter than these Stanford Scientists... LOL.

[@lanceschofield1805]

Just want to give the man a big hug, much respect for speaking the truth.

[@petest3410]

Such an eloquent and intellgent speaker!

[@keithwhitlock726]

Sharpest critical mind in medical research science analysis! Thank you Dr Ioannides!

[@russellerskine500]

Massive thanks to the interviewers and this channel. Incredible foresight to even hold these interviews and you really tapped into the curious minds among us. And much thanks to the experts for presenting their expertise and opinions in such a rational, balanced manner. This is why politicians should be drawn from upstanding members of society like they used to be, rather than students of politics or purely "rights of birth" means. WOW the way that interview finished was amazing, but I hope it was not the last we hear or see from Dr Johno

[@lifeisworthliving5049]

This is true reporting. Great interview and great work on your part, Dr. John Ioannidis. We need more videos like this. Please keep up the good work. Blessings!

[@jkepic25]

Except that San Marino already lost more people than this real scientist suggest the numbers should be.

[@jeanjean9343]

@@jkepic25 They have been stacking the Case Fatality Rates with Probable cases, and many that died did not die from this virus, but with it. Try watching this video and listening before you comment. Relying on "The Numbers' is designed to prolong this Lock-Down for some purpose not entirely evident, if it was just in the U.S., I could conjecture, but it has impacted the world.

[@tsad5611]

LIFE IS WORTH LIVING what do you mean “true reporting” ? Is it because the results are consistent with your beliefs? What about it makes it “true”. Have you gone to any other sources? The interviewer here is obviously bias and is searching for certain answers. I am not saying the information here is wrong, but it is definitely incomplete. Don’t stop looking because you have the answer last that suit you.

[@tsad5611]

Jean Jean “some purpose not entirely evident”. Holy shit listen to yourself. The purpose is entirely evident. To stop The spread of disease. Wtf is wrong with you?!

[@guilhermecastellobranco6496]

Please someone give Dr. Ioannidis a Nobel prize, a knighthood and a billion dollars. He deserves that and much more

[@calluspeculiar8579]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@gunnarkaestle]

And may be he can asked in the next interview how to assess the selection bias in his Santa Clara study.

[@nihilinteritCH]

i cannot thank you enough for your clear message, your correctness and kindness. your shed clarity that feels like fresh rain in a desert of opinionated noise. thanks to the brilliant journalist too!

[@siintohamalainen7909]

I have worked i nursing homes for thirty years. When some patient got fever, I never tried to get it down, but to help the person to have his fever with easy: It the legs were cold, I gave more warmth for the legs. The patients did not have to work up their temperature, because I never tried to cool down them or did give any medicin to lower the fever. The result was that hardly anybody died from fever on my apartment. The other apartments had many who died while they cooled patients down through cold air or by using drugs. I tried to make others to see the benefits of sustaining fever, but most people did the opposite, resulting in death of many fever patients. I think that even covid- patients could be cured by acting in harmony with the human body´s natural reaktion to infections. I am retired now.

[@sharlenewest]

Thank you Dr. Ioannidis, a wonderful interview. THIS is what the world needs to see.

[@MattAngiono]

I keep sharing these interviews everywhere! They are very well done! Please, please, please keep interviewing as many doctors as possible! Some more I've seen who would be great additions are: Dr. Pamela Popper, dr. Sam Vaknin, and dr. Shiva ayyadurai.... Anyway, thank you so much for these! I will continue to share!

[@pattiannepascual]

Dont forget dr. Rashid Buttar

[@chaostheory16]

I share them, too, and not a single person with whom I’ve shared them with seems to watch them and none has responded. It’s absolutely pathetic.

[@hrishit78]

Also Dr david icle ... richard bergman.

[@panchovilla7580]

Dr. Ioannidis is a legend. Man is doing GOD'S work smashing the fearmongers.

[@aek1928]

Yes he is but this goes against the sinister deep state in the USA.

[@philwilson609]

Dr I is a fraud and a puppet of the Trumpanzees. A month ago he was predicting a death toll of 10,000 and we are already nearing 60,000 and the death toll is not showing any intention of dropping. www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/ Dr I has no background in economics and yet he is slobbering about economic consequences. These Trumpanzee youtube sites are a great place to gather with morons and drink bleach to eradicate COVID.

[@mikerov5618]

of course he is great. But look latest data....undark.org/2020/04/24/john-ioannidis-covid-19-death-rate-critics/?fbclid=IwAR3RNu9gVyVvDm32GW118S1e3vgFFLXA66FhcaUHv4FUD5SpPe7JSwJUU8k

[@svetzy]

Seriously. I am not even interested in epidemiology but I would study under him in a second.

[@davidplyler8173]

Phil Wilson do you dispute something he said. If so tell us and some info or a link for your argument. A personal attack on the man is pointless.

[@bach350]

"We are homo sapiens sapiens." Well said Prof. Ioannidis. You are a legend. What an amazing and humble man. Thank you so much

[@Eloise101]

Dr. Ioannidis is amazing. He speaks directly, to the point, kindly and logically. And, of course, he brings some hopeful news.

[@52marli]

He needs to be the one advising the president. We need to immediately switch to quarantine those in active illness, rather than quarantining everyone.

[@G_Ellis606]

Kinda hard to do properly unless you are testing alot...

[@jcmac185]

There isn’t any “real” testing available. Great idea if the Feds would get their collective poop together.

[@dennisrkb]

@Dan Sutton you can both support vaccines and criticize governmental measures at the same time, no contradiction there.. I am not opposed to vaccines in general, to the contrary. However, I'm opposed to *mandatory* (untested) vaccines.

[@yellowsheeps]

Dr. John Ioannidis speaks the truth and cares about ALL humans so he does not qualify. To be an advisor to the president, you need to be a lying, racist, greedy politician with a Phd (Doctor) NOT in the medical sciences to qualify.

[@nrogado]

Yes, let's rename it Flu 2 instead of covid-19... www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes#

[@pattiannepascual]

A++ video. The interviewer was excellent,asking intelligent, detailed questions which gave us so many answers from this clearly educated,brilliant doctor. Thank you so much for this professional production.

[@MattCSLnut]

What a wonderful human being and the voice of reason 🙏🏻 True gentleman and a hero to us all 👍🏼 Thank You 👌🏼

[@michaelshakib7777]

Most level headed discussion I have ever heard.

[@AlloffroadAu]

this man is a legend humble, fact-driven and without the drama

[@elizabethmatthews6808]

wow! This was amazing and so inspirational! Dr. Ionnadis needs to be running the WHO, CDC and be the lead on the COVID task force. Just...wow.

[@C_R_O_M________]

That won't happen easily! Most of these positions are politically appointed/connected. Don't, for a minute, think that there is meritocracy involved in any of them. Stanford is a much better place for him to be!

[@georgef1936]

Dr John Ionnidis. The voice of reason in the storm of fear and panic. it's obvious that the UK gov acted on Imperial data that was completely and 'astronomically' off. Thank God for this man, we should be extremely grateful for him. He also addresses the immunity theories, again, providing a more measured response than what the fear mongering MSM could ever do.

[@mariosbakogiorgos963]

With all my respect and gratitude. From Athens Greece

[@paulhue86]

I am a former editor of Rethinking AIDS, and was a friend of Kary Mullis, inventor of PCR, whom you mention. I’m intimately aware of his objection to using his “DNA fingerprinting” for identifying active infection. I wrote extensively about Mullis’ objection. As this doctor mentions, PCR cannot even detect “infectious particles”, only genetic material that lies outside of an infectious virus, and even then, only scraps of it. As Duesberg (I’m sure you aware if him!) has said: PCR turns a needles’ worth of DNA into a haystack, but a haystack of virus is what it takes to kill, so the fact that they must resort to PCR means that there’s not a relevant amount of virus present in the first place.

[@andreasgustafson2402]

Its great to see you post here. Thank you Paul.

[@nicole2828]

Any link to where we can find your writing about this?

[@LuisaPlantierMartins]

EXCELLENT QUESTIONS & JOURNALISM!!!! Thank you Dr. John Ioannidis for your important work and honest answers!

[@TheSlyngel]

On behalf of the Swedes Thanks for your gratulations. Now please tell your media to stop spreading lies about us, it's starting to get annoying.

[@iggynotpop4138]

I have always agreed to the herd strategy employed by the Swedes. What lies? I am yet to see anything. I think time will tell that your approach was the more prudent one.

[@TheSlyngel]

@@iggynotpop4138 We are supposed to protect elderly (failed miserably like most countries) and we have put in place restrictions, just not lock downs. Heard immunity is not the strategy but the end result. And we have been called crazy for doing so. But yeah i get your point.

[@treztrez7446]

I wouldn't beat yourself up about the elderly, at the end of the day, the majority that died from cv19 would of died within a year anyway. The mortality will likely be offset by a slight decrease in mortality over the next year (because the people that would of died already died). According to EuroMoMo Sweden has never been outside of excess mortality. www.euromomo.eu

[@ssiipp7848]

@@TheSlyngel We have herd immunity as the final result. They wont call it a strategy because media and the people would loose their shit. ( I am also from Sweden).

[@74Mezzo]

@@ssiipp7848 Is there an alternative for herd immunity? Waiting for Billy Boy' s vaccine perhabs? Or staying at home waiting until the virus goes away by itself? Out of these three possibilities I vote for herd immunity ;) Long live Sweden!! Greetings from Germany..

[@shogunai]

Why can't more people in positions of power be like this man? Imagine how fantastic a place the world could be... Maybe one day.

[@TheWing7189]

Shogunai because people in power benefit from public fear, gives them a opening to gain more power.

[@mikerov5618]

No,tsiordas would be better. Our man in greece. The man you saved our nation!!!

[@seedplanter7173]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmOVmZWljcuZjrs

[@dr.strangelove9815]

Sensibility, intelligence and honesty are the antithesis of the values of the world government. We are governed my mediocre fear mongers, this well spoken and honest scientist is far too good for government work.

[@EnFuegoDuo]

Because anyone who seeks power over others is the antithesis of people like this gentleman.

[@ispinozist7941]

I’ve asked before but can we go ahead and make him King? 👑

[@brejayoga4266]

Awww, I love Dr. Ioannidis and I loooove his smile :D

[@ripstop5122]

I hope one day that the Media, fuelled by 24hr coverage is held responsible for this global catastrophe

[@workhorse7134]

Spoiler Alert: They won't be.

[@abigailknox-leet6949]

Snails 161 I concur

[@chrispapa2782]

Snails 161 it’s not the media’s fault. I fact media has covered it pretty well. It’s a deadly virus man. No one said that it’s an innocent be

[@deanpd3402]

@@chrispapa2782 there is a reason why a tv program is called program.

[@H0lyFr0ggy]

Last time i checked the Gouvernements are calling the shots not the media. We chose what we consume.

[@DS40764]

Such a good speaker, providing sound and reasonable information, based on Science and his Educated interpretation and testing. Thank you DR. Ioannidis. He is Diplomatic, but raises very good pro/con arguments.

[@motocrusader]

Dr. John Ioannidis bless you and your work . Thank you for common sense

[@darylmorse]

Dr. Ioannidis is an incredibly humble, decent and wise person. The world needs more scientists like him.

[@sunalwaysshinesonTVs]

Nuance and specificity. Shows you how far TV has veered away from being an important contribution to a healthy democracy. Well done.

[@OldHiker]

Bravo Dr. Ioannidis, a voice of sanity in a world gone mad.

[@StonnieDennis]

Great work!

[@lindaanneheemskerk737]

Thank you so much dr Ioannidis for your voice of reason and integrity! I will spread the word and share.

[@PatlovelyBHH]

Man, thank you so much for making this channel! I am being educated and motivated to continue to live live normally after watching most videos here, especially during this pandemic. God bless!

[@dr.manalfahham.2031]

Thank you . Dr John is one of the most logic , efficient and matured speakers about the actual era .

[@monkeyjunkyard9947]

This should be plastered on every media channel. If it isn't, even the sheep should know why.

[@birdflower57]

Bravo :D

[@stevenkeys4944]

@@birdflower57 Yep insane levels of fear mongering rules the day.

[@tomomanpanama]

The main reason is because the study has a huge amount of holes in it. I'm surprised he hasn't done a follow up in order to protect his reputation. I really hope it's true, but if the fatality rate is 0.12% as he claims, then you would need 160% of NY to be infected in order to get that amount of deaths, which is something he conspicuously doesn't address.

[@jordanwalker8867]

@@tomomanpanama Or the NYC reported deaths need to be audited

[@Diamonddavej]

@@jordanwalker8867 New York City under counted, people died in their homes of COVID-19 and were labelled as cardiac arrest. Fatal "cardiac arrests" went up 400%, EMS arrived finding people dead in their homes. These were not counted as COVID-19, but they obviously were. 2,200 people died in their homes of cardiac arrest during the peak of the COVID-19 outbreak, 450 died of cardiac arrest the same time last year. "The FDNY reported a nearly 400 percent increase in "cardiac arrest" home deaths in late March and early April, a spike that officials say is almost certainly driven by COVID-19, whether they were formally diagnosed or not. Between March 20 and April 5, the department recorded nearly 2,200 such deaths, versus 450 in the same period last year, according to data it provided on Friday." "In just the first five days of April, more than 70 percent of cardiac arrest calls ended in a pronunciation of death every day. Some days, the numbers were up tenfold versus a year earlier -- and everyone acknowledges there's only one likely cause." www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/massive-spike-in-nyc-cardiac-arrest-deaths-seen-as-sign-of-covid-19-undercounting/2368678/

[@dunjaradoalignmentcoach1774]

god bless this humble man and thank you for finding him and allowing us to hear him!

[@dustinstout1798]

So nice to have an expert voice of calm reason and logic. Such a rarity.

[@seedplanter7173]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmOVmZWljcuZjrs

[@Grace-pt4oc]

Great and professional interview. Thank you for your expertise, doctor Ioannidis.

[@julenrojo4624]

I would love to follow this awesome man through this situation. Thank you very much.

[@ERH-ph5gb]

People always want answers. No doubts. Clear statements. Understandable, but at the same time also a problem. Dr. Ioannidis makes some good points and I am grateful for any bit of information which does not echo the fear chamber. Nevertheless, every expert who raises doubts, doesn't have an answer to everything asked, motivates his listeners to take other views into account gives me a reason to trust. The core of science is to be skeptical, is what I think.

[@trosanelli]

Excellent Work Dr. I!! Finally, some real research instead of anecdotal information and opinion.

[@baxrok2.]

You asked all the right questions. Thanks!

[@indierockhead]

While politicians run around like headless chickens, Dr. Ioannidis brings a calm, rational, voice of sanity to the madness swirling all around us.

[@npr1300A8]

What a great Man to listen to. I love how he clearly listens to the questions and answers calmly and with total honesty. He should be all over Mainstream media! Thank you Dr John Loannidis.

[@nomad7540]

The most humble "simple scientist" ever!! Falsi could take lessons.

[@dr.strangelove9815]

This is how scientific inquiry should appear, as it used to, seeking the truth.

[@A.S.Harfenklang]

Thank you Prof. Dr. Ioannidis for your work and this interview :-) . Thanks to you, the interviewer :-) .

[@dialecticalspectacle]

Hej! Finally a guy who understands that Sweden is not Switzerland and that Switzerland isn't Sweden.

[@alaindumas1824]

A guy whose comparison makes no sense because Switzerland neighbors Lombardy, the Covid capital of Europe. To evaluate Sweden's interesting experiment, her 156 Covid-19 deaths/million inhabitants are best compared to her neighbors under lockdown: Norway 33 and Finland 18 deaths/million respectively.

[@arbitraryify]

@@alaindumas1824 The problem is that there is a lot of variation locally even within nations -- within Sweden it is mainly Stockholm that got hit, and the suspicion is that the yearly sports vacation fell right in with the growing epidemic in the alps, while it didn't in the south of Sweden. Sweden also got larger care homes, and they are often underfunded - these were hit hard - despite being locked down early. Had hygiene been slightly better in these homes the numbers could have been very different. So why are Malmo dealing with it better than Stockholm? and so on.

[@pergamX]

​@@arbitraryify Agreed. I'd like to add that you can't only look at population density per square km. Norway, Finland and Denmark population density maps show much more even distribution of population, while in Sweden, most of the population is concentrated in about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the territory. Also geographical differences apply in comparisons especially for Norway.

[@godislove8740]

So, Austria may be down under after all.

[@angelaj7642]

​@@godislove8740 I'm from Austria and I'm pretty sure Ischgl is in Queensland, yes. :)

[@dddave999]

Thanks Dr John P.A. Loannidis. We need to protect people like this. Keep them independent of political and commercial influence.

[@PraiseB2Allah]

0:15 Santa Clara study purpose/discoveries 1:30 Conclusions of study 3:00 Comparing disease to cure (lockdowns) 7:13 Nosocomial infection 12:45 Notes from study, IFR .3% for infected hospital personnel in Italy 15:55 Mortality risk for non-elderly/healthy 20:30 Under 65/healthy = extremely tiny risk 21:46 Why is risk higher in New York? 23:45 JAMA piece on Italy - deaths by vs with covid 26:55 PCR test, Antibody test 31:05 long term immunity with antibodies 32:40 Measles immunity comparison, immunity without antibodies 35:09 End lockdown before vaccine? 36:50 Coronavirus vaccines VAERD 37:30 Virus danger vs immune system repsonse39:22 Flu vaccine enhances covid susceptibility? 40:50 Covid noticeable without increased media coverage? 43:35 Why was risk projection so wrong? Imperial model 45:55 How did social distancing help? 48:20 Herd immunity 52:00 Boston homeless shelter - no symptoms 53:00 How can WHO be so wrong? 55:00 Did social distancing help at all? 57:05 Contact tracing feasible? 1:00:50 Sweden 1:03:35 Germany opening schools 1:05:15 Flattening the curve vs delaying it 1:07:50 People not getting checkups 1:08:45 Time to open up? 1:10:45 Partisanship

[@ramdas363]

Thank you good sir/mam!

[@charlesmartel7502]

The problem with science "self-correcting" is quite clear: People get scared and then don't listen to the correction. They only remember the mistake.

[@SixFootScream]

In recent year people have been treating science like a religion. Yet they don't realise that science always changes. And now we are stuck with thisn

[@ciceronciceronis888]

But it is not "people". Media&states have mede all their efforts for spreading the terror and censoring scientists who know perfectly months ago that this is a flu, such Wolfang Wodarg.

[@ruthsstanding8126]

New York Nurse, Telling her story and no one would listen!​ facebook.com/watch/?v=735894133886669&extid=qDb7Xp9TibtZcNC7

[@nancybaumgartner6774]

This man should be calling all the shots where this pandemic is concerned .

[@rockstarofredondo]

No one should be “calling the shots”. That is why we are in this predicament in the first place.

[@tsad5611]

M T This link will give you a run-down on the flaws in the study, and there were many. It does not mean their conclusions are necessarily wrong or inconsistent with other studies, but the Santa Clara studies is deeply flawed, and as yet, not peer reviewed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epCTqqSOmpKth6s

[@rlustemberg]

Trent Armitage indeed. , but the same or worse can be said of the projections by Imperial College. Much worse actually. Ioannidis results are already being replicated and soon we’ll have many more data points from where to draw conclusions.

[@tsad5611]

Richard Lustemberg I am not saying the data is wrong, but the study is flawed, and deeply so. I also recognize it is consistent with data from other studies, that’s not my point. My concern is people jumping on board like rabid dogs to use this data to support a preferred narrative without further consideration. I would contend that there is much more to consider than what is being presented here, and people need to consider more than what the prefer to hear.

[@neil5209]

@@Jimmy-Legs So a scientist with a global medical reputation that Dr Ionenidis has would put that reputation at stake for a flawed study? He has spent most of his professional life calling out flawed scientific studies, & is on record doing so. Please enlighten us as to what part of this study is flawed?? It has not even been peer reviewed yet so your evidence must be from your own knowledge.

[@CrystalJ7]

I trust you Dr John....not because you are perfect but because you are measured, careful and sensible. Thank you so much! You bring so much reassurance! :-)

[@Privatemind1]

Science versus political science, facts over fear. One must wonder why Dr. John Ioannidis , a highly respected scientists/epidemiologist, and others like him are completely ignored in the mainstream media coverage of this virus. Honest science-based debates is what we really need, not political sound bites and talking points from both Democrats and Republicans. Thank you Dr. Ioannidis!

[@holydreams4633]

Nor do we need right wing paid scientists.

[@larrypovey3302]

Here in the UK conservitive or labour all in lockdown- lockstep . But all these establishment lickspittles could not promote this vaccine agenda without the corporation media BBC - PRAVDA and SKY being the very worse , as always follow the money , most of it leads back to that nice mr gates . ps perhaps kill bill should have been a recomondation not a film ?.

[@cyclamengarden]

The mainstream media/DNC is Pharma-funded. That's where most of their money comes from. Also captured by Pharma: The CDC, FDA, WHO.

[@HendrikMentz]

Wonderful to have this confirming update. Thank you Prof. Ioannidis for your care, clarity and humanity. Kudos also to the interviewer who seemingly hasn't been referenced in the description.

[@HendrikMentz]

Oops, I see from the introduction that the interviewer was John Kirby. Thank you!

[@M.-.D]

Fantastic work. Looking forward to the retrospective analysis of the different strategies taken by countries and how it impacted outcomes. Impact on healthcare infrastructure, total deaths vs deaths per day, economic cost, incidental healthcare impacts from alterations to existing systems. We will all learn. Thank you to all who worked hard to treat the vulnerable, the many who served the community, the many who looked out for others and kept the vulnerable safe, but most of all thank you to the hard working scientists trying to collect and communicate data to shape decisions moving forward.

[@annalivia1308]

In what reality do you live? 22 million are out of work.

[@PMunkS]

While the government of Sweden has elected to impose restrictions on the numbers of people attending events and gatherings, primary schools and businesses remain open. It is worthwhile keeping an eye on 'The Public Health Agency of Sweden' to observe the [ www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/ ] (You may toggle the language for the website through a link in the upper right corner of the main page).

[@Podcastforthewin]

M D I agree. Let’s not forget to protect the people who need it. But not hurt everyone else in the mean time.

[@rangersmith4652]

@@Podcastforthewin Exactly. We need not cancel everything just because people who meet certain criteria shouldn't attend. The cure will prove far worse then the disease, but this will be covered up, rationalized, etc. by all those who benefited from the buy-in to the hype.

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

Comparison New Zealand Ireland Australia Sweden NZ pop. = 4.8M Ire pop = 4.9M Aus pop = 26M Swe pop = 10M 1st cases reported: NZ 28th Feb Ire 29th Feb Aus 25th Jan Swe 11th March ---- New Zealand 1st case confirmed 28th Feb 2020 19th March NZ closes all borders to foreign travellers coming in... NZ travellers allowed to return to NZ. Most cases were a direct result of kiwi’s returning during this period March 21st, Prime Minister announced a four tier Covid-19 alert system. National Strategy - Go Hard Go Fast into Lockdown. 22nd March NZ put on Level 2 alert. 24th March NZ shifted up to level 3 alert. 25th March NZ placed on Full level 4 Stay at home Lockdown. Only essential services running As at 20th April confirmed cases => 1105 Recovered => 974 Deaths => 12 The nation will end level 4 alert state on April 27th 2020 and shift down to level 3 for two weeks before we consider next phase in May 2020. Winter is coming. We have the opportunity to totally eradicate covid19 from our population - we are aiming for zero new cases of covid19 achieving uncontrolled, untraceable, and untrackable community transmission for the rest of 2020. ---- Ireland On 27 March, 302 new cases as well as 3 new deaths brought the total number of confirmed cases and deaths to 2,121 and 22, respectively. Among the deaths was the country's first healthcare fatality, who was based in the east. Taoiseach Leo Varadkar announced a series of measures which he summed up as: "Stay at Home" (subject to certain exemptions). At 19th April 2020 15,251 Confirmed Cases Deaths => 610 Ireland is an island nation like New Zealand But it shares its northern lands with England Ireland was slow to control the English lack of response in its borders as heavy European travel continued bringing in covid19 compromised travellers into Northern Ireland as a result of English lack of response in leadership -- Australia Population - 26M Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19. Australia is an anomaly given its size and population and politics It appears to be presenting a very unique Covid 19 profile after application of somewhat relaxed responses to covid19 and allowing more of its economy to operate despite Covid risks The Australian Government’s health response to the COVID-19 outbreak aims to: minimise the number of people becoming infected or sick with COVID-19 minimise how sick people become and the mortality rate manage the demand on our health systems help you to manage your own risk and the risk to your family and community The Government’s response is based on modelling of the impact of COVID-19. The modelling finds our health system will cope if we if we continue to: have effective social distancing increase our health system capacity isolate people with the virus and their close contacts. 6,619 confirmed cases Deaths => 71 4,258 have been reported as recovered from COVID-19. More than 431,000 tests have been conducted across Australia. It is still early yet to determine whether Australia is flattening their curve and entering their downward trend in decreasing covid19 spread. --- Sweden 2019 population 10.23M 20th April 2020 Confirmed cases 14,777 Recovered 550 Deaths 1580

[@amaze2n]

Thank you Dr. Ioannidis. Why we don't have reasonable people like you in government is beyond me. By the way, LA County did a similar antibody study on a larger sample and came up with a number 28x to 55x higher than confirmed cases. This will vary from area to area, of course, but the information is a game changer! I want to start seeing governments adjusting their approach in response. I also hope NY is close to herd immunity. They deserve a break.

[@thiefofheartss5677]

Because althought the doctor obviously does not want to get involved in speculating about motives, the people that advise the government have economic agendas that they promote. BigPharma & BigTech.

[@amaze2n]

@@thiefofheartss5677 It's beyond financial interests. This is a complete restructuring of the world order.

[@enjoylife3961]

Because he is not playing the game they want him to, in order work for the government you need to be corrupt and a scumbag.

[@GeorgeGrosman]

Because reasonable people don't work for the government by definition

[@alaindumas1824]

My understanding is that he advises the Greek government.

[@OdditiesandRarities]

I get the feeling the only reason this video is still up, while similar videos have been taken down, is purely because of his diplomatic nature; KZbin doesnt realise what he is saying.

[@3rdGorilla]

You won't see this Dr, on CNN, Or MSNBC!

[@vassontinou9648]

The same here in Greece. They have called him a few times, as he is Greek, but every time he was trying to explain, the interviewer didn't allow him to finish what he was saying... Sad!!! They think people are stupid. A!!! The good one. We should not read the news from Internet. That's what said on the news... Imagine what the fuck is going on here. They hide the truth.

[@kauaimu]

@@vassontinou9648 It's the same in every country, my Greek friend! The mainstream media (MSM) is bought and sold by the worldwide deep state. The tentacles of the medical wing of the Cabal Triad of NIH-WHO-Gates Foundation are everywhere. But Trump is closing in on them. Both Dr. Fauci's NIH and the WHO are being investigated. Mr. Gates' stench is reaching up to heaven. And although he's powerful and well connected, his day will come, when his plans to vaccinate and chip the world fizzle away and die with him.

[@chaostheory16]

Foxy why do some people always assume there’s some global conspiracy? It must be hard living that way. It’s always the same thing or a variation on a theme in a KZbin comment... Gates, WHO, etc. Where’s the evidence? No links to articles or studies are ever presented.

[@ektordegleris9981]

@@vassontinou9648 πραγματικά, ψάξε μόνο στο youtube στο Κρήτη tv

[@QJOHN76]

chaostheory16 maybe it’s because he hopes to spread the truth to narrow minded people like yourself

[@WorldView22]

Prof. Ioannidis’ work has over 150,000 citations. He’s considered the most cited physician and in the top ten of cited scientists worldwide.

[@armaniv6455]

Dr John is so adorable ! Can we all just say that ?! 😂

[@CarnivoreAnesthetist]

How can anybody dislike this video? Because you don’t like the science? This guy has no agenda and he’s one of the smartest scientist I’ve ever seen in my life.

[@susannaflugelsus3639]

Why does almost no doctor mentions how important is to keep you immun system strong by making sports and eating healthy food!

[@msl5253]

Just an absolutely excellent interview and responses, perspective from Prof. Ioannidis. This should be required listening (amongst others in the Journey Perspectives On The Pandemic series), particularly from the sheeple/masses who need to know what's really going on.

[@svetzy]

This was absolute phenomenal! Thank you very much for creating and sharing it!

[@KJ-xc6qs]

The voice of logic and intelligence. Unfortunately, few will hear it.

[@fransjandejong8273]

Thank you prof Loannidis! Your contribution is significant & promising => Refreshing, no panic, clear, honest, facts, realistic

[@armynyus9123]

Why is this not youtube trending #1 ?!? WHY ARE WE KEPT LOCKED UP LIKE SHEEP?!?

[@brunovincent1969]

@@thegoose678 Yes indeed, and it's global, very worrying indeed

[@SinHurr]

Because 50,000 people have died in the last few months, Karen.

[@brunovincent1969]

@@SinHurr 26 000 people die of hunger, per day....50 000 is a drop in the bucket, standard, common flue kills 646 000 last year, hiv 32 000 000 , we never locked down for that... it's all relative.

[@mikerov5618]

Why? See my thoughts please . I answered mr. Ski Fahrer . In this way, staying in, you protect the eldery people, your parents!!! They will live one more year, just saying it simple. Look what is happening in my country Greece, compared to other countries in europe that they didnt take strict meausures.

[@mikerov5618]

@@brunovincent1969 We do what is possible to do as humans from our side. And now we have to stay in. Of course if you dont love your parents go out, catch the virus. We will not get sick but elderly people will, and is a high probability they will die..... And of course if you are rich send money to help poor people. But now we all have to stay in. Flu virus doesnt kill that many people. See the statistics . Italy and the other countries in europe lost very few people from flu this year than from coronovirus. You stay in not for you but for the elderly people to stay alive. This is the first contact for the human race with this coronovirus subtype. Lets stay in now, and next year we will see what we will do and how we will live. Of course we will not live locked inside for ever!!!

[@johnb2956]

A genius with modesty!! How rare!

[@jonagold734]

Thank you, Prof. Ioannidis! ❤️

[@jillpattridge1968]

Excellent interview! Very interesting unbiased and informative. It's such a pleasure that you asked the questions and then let the Dr. speak. A very comfortable relaxed non interrupting interaction! Well done and I look for more good work from you in the future.👍

[@evreeos]

thank you both! amazing episode with great questions and great answers! thank you again both for being grounded and humanly enough. we dont see that lately in our world!

[@truthseeker6337]

That's what I call science

[@CoroDan]

Peer review of the Santa Clara antibody seroprevalence study raises some serious questions about the validity of the study, namely, issues with the level of false positive results and issues with bias in selection of candidates. medium.com/@balajis/peer-review-of-covid-19-antibody-seroprevalence-in-santa-clara-county-california-1f6382258c25

[@micomrkaic]

The so called peer review’s main point (noisy test) is something that is actually addressed in the statistical appendix to the study. I suspect the “reviewer” did not read the whole study. I guess you did not either.

[@Rogier7305]

Please continue to interview this man!

[@saiedmoghadam4702]

The WHO just cited his work. Hopefully people in charge will start to listen to this guy

[@amaze2n]

Cheers Dr Ioannidis!

[@yasharenner6681]

Link please?

[@workhorse7134]

The WHO who push Chinese propaganda. Hardly a good endorsement.

[@pergamX]

@@Rama-zy9nr They are spinning it the way that suits the narrative. Harsh measures had little effect, and numbers from Switzerland and Germany match in showing this> "The results were very surprising: The authors found that the reproduction rate dropped to practically one before the lockdown was decided on 3/13/20. The figure below shows (red) the reproduction rate in the order of 2.5-3.0. Shows the values ​​from March 6th and then the significant drop from March 9th. At the time when the Federal Council announced the lockdown (March 13), the reproduction rate was practically at 1, which means that we already had the desired state of a stopped spread." Source (article in German, but when using Chrome browser, right click - translate to english is 95% accurate): infekt.ch/2020/04/sind-wir-tatsaechlich-im-blindflug/

[@cherylmcduff5388]

Saied Moghadam wow that’s a win

[@aileenokane9838]

Excellent analysis. Thank you for the balance Prof Loannidis. You have put so much of the truth together.