Perturabo teaches Fulgrim an important lesson

From the book "Angel Exterminatus" by Graham McNeill.
Recorded on an iPhone 11 next to some Logitech speakers lol

[@gwilym1991]

I do like it when Traitor Primarchs acknowledge or respect loyalist ones. Perturabo of all people praising Vulkan's skill and craftmanship is definitely noteworthy. Also Fulgrim's lack of interest in a precise work of art nicely shows how far he's fallen.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

I do love that. Game recognizes game. Perty also respects Dorn, he refuses to underestimate him, and when one of his Triarchs suggests Dorn made a mistake, in The First Wall, Perturabo gets PISSED.

[@Eta_Carinae__]

Honestly, I think they probably got along. Having Perturabo, Magnus and Vulkan dungeoneering team sounds pretty sick.

[@mcchicken1849]

@@TheCommissarGeneral Anywhere I can find this online? I don't own the book and that sounds very, very interesting.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

@@mcchicken1849 I get all my books on Audible, I got the sub there so when I get a credit I toss it at WH books.

[@synergy8879]

@@Eta_Carinae__ “whoops, we may have made a galaxy conquering machine.” “bro, i ask you to forge me a sword and you motherfuckers make megazord.”

[@Andrewlang90]

The fact that Purty was playing WH40K is just beautiful irony.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

Iron Warriors play 40k constantly! In the same book him and I believe Kroger actually have a 1v1 on a simulated Siege of the Imperial Palace.

[@KingLich451]

​@@TheCommissarGeneral they sure die and obviously Peterturbo obliterared poor Krogger like he was nothing

[@iago110]

Eventually an officer won after perty said he would kill him in case he lost, the primarch then said "good, use this strat in the next battle" Although in this case it was the siege of cadia@@KingLich451

[@jackstrayfeald1007]

First Angron, then Fulgrim, when Perturabo is done dealing with people's bullshit, he puts them in their place like a whipped cur.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

I think Angron was after this. He had to put Angron in his place when he got distracted and left just before the Siege of Terra. Angel Exterminatus was before and during the time when Fulgrim ascended to Daemon Prince. But yeah, Perturabo is the strongest Traitor Primarch. I resent calling him a Chaos Primarch because he has said on multiple occasions that he dislikes it and how his brothers and their legions tolerate mutation and corruption.

[@auugh43546]

@@TheCommissarGeneral also perturabo: hee hoo obliterator virus go brrr but with jokes aside, I can respect the Iron Warriors even if they're more corrupted than they'd like to admit (you can cut the corrupted flesh, but good luck getting the corruption out of the soul)

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

@@auugh43546 The Warp and its denizens are tools of war to be utalized. Daemon? Stick it in a blender and put it in a tank, it is now a Daemon Engine. Their folly is believing Chaos is a thing that can be dominated and used without giving in to the corruption, but Chaos just makes it seem like they have any sense of control, because in reality, they are all Slaves to Darkness.

[@synergy8879]

@@TheCommissarGeneral mf really said “hold on, ima call you back to see if i want to become a demon primarch.” “why?” “gotta beat angrons ass.” “aight.” *5 minutes later.* “fuck no.”

[@myflatlineconstruct]

I'm still learning the 40k strengths and weaknesses of major players. Wouldn't Sanguinious easily destroy Perturabo ? Or Fulgrim after his ascension?

[@entrippyZ]

you are now picturing vulkan and perty building model warhound titans together, your welcome

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

WholesomeHammer 40k

[@jerryjezzaberry5009]

Brothers play battlemace 42million

[@samblackstone3400]

@@jerryjezzaberry5009 Vulkan: My Cosmos Grenadiers rolled 7 hits with their nailers Perturabo: *annoyed grunting noise*

[@rexaxis3450]

Their version of the Horus heresy is the unification of terra

[@gr8m887]

And with that, I cry 😢

[@richbattaglia5350]

Ironic, the lord of iron chastised Fulgrim for Fabius’ wrong experiments, but it was Warsmith Honsou who would create the daemonculaba. The further they strayed from the Emperor, the worse the traitors became.

[@richbattaglia5350]

Long term fidelity and stability seem to be weaknesses within perturabo. He expects everything in others which he is incapable of doing himself.

[@lokensicarius9347]

Honsou very existence alone is ironic, being a half breed an all that.

[@PerturaBased]

Isn't honsou a marine with dorn's seed?

[@KeeperOfSecrets-42069]

​@@PerturaBased he had both

[@TableGrables]

No shit nigga

[@monkeybusiness673]

I already liked Perturabo a lot...But him smashing Fulgrim face first into the table was...Oh, so glorious! *chef's kiss*

[@darkjackl999]

Yeah it was the cherry on top when i was reading up on perturabo and the IW, far and away my fav space marine faction

[@darthdistix1895]

Why does fulgrrim act so different in the heresy then before it he was way coooler before

[@gamechanger8908]

​​@@darthdistix1895 Laer Blade made him a degenerate bit by bit.

[@PikachuLittle]

@@darthdistix1895 that’s not Fulgrim, that’s a daemon wearing Fulgrim’s body like a flesh suit

[@hunterkillerxyz]

I actually loved this book. My boy Perty basically built the 30k equivalent of a master grade gundam and slammed his brothers face with it just to prove a point what a fucking lad

[@royaltyfree9607]

It’s not about the artwork…it’s about sending a message

[@thijshagenbeek6554]

The fact Perturabo compliments Vulkan on their shared love of crafting, artifice and the desire to improve and build is just wonderous. The hard beyond doubt manner of his speech also leaves no room for doubt that he ment every word of it. it leaves to thought what could have happened if he Ferrus and Vulkan where closer. it would have been a better universe.

[@randomcenturion7264]

It also leads me to believe when they time came for betrayal at Istvaan IV, Perturabo felt a very secret pain at having to betray a brother that actually cared for him and experienced his hobbies and interests with him.

[@thijshagenbeek6554]

@@randomcenturion7264 More then the loss of the person, even if it is a Primarch who's loyalty in Perturabo's view is flawed and must therefore be removed. I think Perturabo would lament the abillity and skills that Primarch has being lost. Perturabo realizes, more then anny other that each of them has traits that the others dont. And each Primarch lost or enemy legion destroyed means losing something they can never replicate. It means losing skills, abillity, influence and means to trow at a problem and solve it. To Perturabo the heresy is argueably the biggest loss humanity ever gotten itself into since the age of strife. The reason he picked Horus over the Emperor is that Horus would sate his emotional need that his view on the matter was *Right*

[@jakepel3117]

Vulkan would have condemned Perturabo's use of decimation and slaughter of human civilians. Perty would call Vulkan weak. They are too different to ever be friends.

[@justinokraski3796]

@@jakepel3117 maybe he could’ve gotten along well with Angron on campaign?

[@jakepel3117]

@@justinokraski3796 right before he murdered her, Perturabo's sister tells him the reason he has no friends is because he destroys his own relationships, pushing people away while also complaining that people don't like him. Then Perty proved her right by murdering her. Perturabo's problem wasn't the people around him, his problem was his own toxic personality. Unless he admitted he was the problem and stopped blaming everyone else there was no hope for Perty.

[@Lwilibert]

I love Perturabo. He has serious personality defects and more depth than the other primarchs in my opinion. I hope he gets a good writer that develops his more interesting aspects like his rejection of chaos, his friendship with magnus, etc.

[@Gubbug]

Perturabo got royally shafted by the Emperor and his brothers, both traitor and ally alike. He is the only 'Traitor Primarch' I 100% respect, because in the end it's just a guy who deserved better, finally snapping. My hope is that we see some of Perturabo's internal struggles and dialogues, as well as SOME warmer moments that ground him as a member of humanity - Perhaps some sort of amusement or semi-humourous interaction with a younger, more naive character who struggles to understand things that Perty knows every aspect of. I'd love to see Perty finding some self satisfaction in teaching or mentoring a character and appreciating the curiosity that he no longer posesses.

[@xmaracx]

@@Gubbug Personally i appreciate perturabo because he was flawed and i think he had much more agency in his overall fate, much more than someone like mortarion or angron. If he wanted his legion to get more recognition, he couldve done more to go for it. And if he didnt want to care about that...why did he? He couldnt have expected people to open up to him because he built his own reputation, and the others just left him to it. If you spend your entire life being brutally pragmatic and aloof above all else, dont toss a surprised pikachu face when people just leave you aside. Thats what makes him more compelling to me, because he made his own fate and was too bitter to accept it. He pushed for being a stoic leader, and then failed and let his bitterness overtake him. A flawed, but compelling character.

[@Gubbug]

@@xmaracx this is a really interesting way of looking at Perty that I hadn't considered! Thank you for!

[@xmaracx]

@@Gubbug Yeah, i think the perfect foil to perturabo wasnt dorn, but the khan instead. Both focused on their own methods, both were pragmatic and efficient, both looked at the grander picture beyond the petty rivalries. Just perturabo wanted more while khan remained adamant. Perturabo saw the problems and they consumed him, khan saw the problems and kept trucking. EDIT: perty had his petty rivalrly but i meant it more like , saw the war in total, and not just their particular angle

[@Lwilibert]

@@Gubbug i mostly agree. But i think he was lacking guidance and frustrated like some regular folk. You know that super capable and inteligent guy that is lost in life. He thought hard work and talent would get him stuff you only get via charisma or the correct relationships. But he related and befriended to another primarch that was kind of his opposite in many ways and who was also trying to do right by a father that thought of them as only tools in some ocations. I think he did everything he thought would impress the father figure.. went to every imppssible battlefield and got frustrated when a win was impossible (thay scene with Dantioch leaving).

[@BarelyDecentProduction]

damn, he beats fulgrim like he owes him money

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

To be fair after the stunt he did, I’d beat the shut out of him too. Perturabo just wanted to blow the loyalist ship out of the void, but nooooo Fulgrim had to be extra and cost the lives of some of his sons and cause damage to their ships.

[@Tacoguy1000]

I mean, I didn't think he ever cared about his soldiers to begin with. This is surprising.

[@Blade40688]

@@Tacoguy1000 He does and doesn't. Their lives are his to spend, and despite putting them through a literal meat grinder through the great crusade it was done through the lens that this would result in the least amount of lives lost over all, ensuring compete and total compliance in every world conquered. and even then, It's his stuff Fulgrim used and broke, It's gonna make Papa Perty's tism flare like the death of a star

[@dagnirglaurunga1620]

😂😂😂

[@Sasha-ph9uv]

​@@Tacoguy1000 he don't really care if they die as long as they don't die needlessly which is what Fulgrim. Perturabo and his legion use cold logic and rational for their tactic they don't care that you die but they will care if you die uselessly which is what Fulgrim did.

[@NicholasGeschke]

Oddly enough, I find Perturabo fascinating. Sure, he's a manchild, a petty tyrant and a vicious warlord, but he's much more than that. He's a genius on par with any of his brothers, a craftsman and technologically brilliant enough to rival Vulkan and Ferrus. Not to mention he's strong and skilled enough to stand toe-to-toe with the Daemon Prince, Angron.

[@rexaxis3450]

Pert is one of my favorite primarchs alongside fulgrim and Magnus, I really wish we could've seen what they would have became if they had stayed loyal.

[@PingachuWarham]

He pretty much carried the horus heresy on his back, the siege of terra was over the moment he decided he had had enough of his lunatic brothers and retreated.

[@PikachuLittle]

@@PingachuWarham man hard carried the entire Great Crusade.

[@randomcenturion7264]

I was ready to enjoy Fulgrim's ass-whooping. But hearing Perty not only praise, PRAISE, Vulkan, but then defend him from Fulgrim's barbs was cool and sad at the same time. You can tell he thought Vulkan was a fellow mastercraftsman and it sounds like the two exchanged some pleasant moments with each other. I think, the fact he's still speaking highly of him after his betrayal hints he regrets losing a brother he cared about and being stuck with these lunatics, with only Magnus left that he can at least respect.

[@kevincass9917]

We really need to see more between Perturabo, Vulkan, and Ferrus. I imagine the three craftsmen would've had amazing moments together, with Vulkan praising his brothers for their skill, Perturabo mulling over how some of his stuff can be improved, and Ferrus focused hard on getting the finer details.

[@AlphaOmegon]

The best thing about Peter, he doesn't fight battles were he doesn't have the advantage. With Angron he ambush the fucker, he faced Fulgrim while he was unarmed, finally he was probably watch Dorn suffer in the Iron cage while he was sipping on his coffe.

[@CherryBoltPistol]

"Listen." *Slams his head on the table* This is practically one of the reasons I loved Perty even when he's a manchild. *HE'S VERY COMPETENT.*

[@rdtiel]

Fr, I think perturabo is the closest to my personality and its scary

[@c0ya1]

​@@rdtiel Perturabo - a manchild. But a competent manchild.

[@Corsair2092gaming]

I just saw an old holocast called: The Dark Knight and was inspired.

[@Notbatman374]

His back just hurts from carrying horus and the goon squad

[@PikachuLittle]

@@Notbatman374 his back hurts from carrying the entire fucking Great Crusade

[@thefreeman027]

That final quote: “If you’re going to skin a cat; you don’t keep it around as a house pet” Actual shivers. It’s pure Iron warrior logos.

[@aliywafiy]

Can someone explain the meaning behind this quote?

[@cleanerben9636]

@@aliywafiy I think it means if you're going to do something do it, not wait. In this instance it means killing Fulgrim now instead of later.

[@kevincass9917]

@@aliywafiy The old expression is "There's more than one way to skin a cat", which means there's more than one way/alternatives to get to the solution of a problem. I can't get into the true history of it because it's rather tricky, but essentially it's alluding to the fact that you may have to keep the cat alive in order to skin it properly (don't quote me on it). The quote is referring to this alluding fact. You skin a cat while it's alive, you don't keep it around as a house pet because it's angry at you and will plan on killing you for revenge. It's the same way with Perturabo effectively demolishing Fulgrim in this scene and assuming command. He skinned a cat (beating the shit out of Fulgrim), and is keeping it around as a pet (aligned with his legion and continuing on their mission).

[@barrydalton4743]

@@kevincass9917which only rings true more given how Fulgrim used Perturabo to ascend to full Daemonhood

[@chrishamilton7516]

See this is why I still like Perturabo because he still has common sense, and it isn’t necessarily fallen to chaos. He’s just using it to achieve his ends. I’m even faintly sure that he’s aware that he made the wrong choice, but knows that there’s no good way back now.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

He’s totally fallen to Chaos. That’s the thing about it, if you think you can control it, you’ve already lost control. It’s like hard drugs, you think you can handle it and quit whenever you want, but the reality is different. If you utilize Chaos, Chaos utilizes you right back.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Perturabo: **Drawn out sigh** "This is going to be difficult for you to understand, but we were designed to smash open fortified gates, not butt cheeks." Fulgrim: "Is that what you call your uninspiring flat ass? "The Fortified Gates"? Appropriate, the _irony_ isn't lost on me, brother." Perturabo: **Even longer, more drawn out sigh**

[@jimvenanzio6561]

...This is unfunny with how lore-accurate it is....

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

@@jimvenanzio6561 And you're just unfunny.

[@andrewchen6253]

@@attemptedunkindness3632 he’s not making fun of you my guy

[@ironduke5058]

This is lore accurate

[@Robert_Douglass]

​@@attemptedunkindness3632 Eloquent. But what's Shibui?

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

I have always loved this scene in Angel Exterminatus

[@bladestormviking]

"i'm going to make this warhound, disappear." SMACKKKKKK!!!!!! "TA DA!! it's gone......" --Perturabo

[@jimvenanzio6561]

I can imagine Kurze doing that with the same cadence and flair of Heath Ledger. They both have the same kinda bats in the belfry.

[@ryan.1990]

Holy shit Perturabo! 😂 For all Fulgrim's bluster he is actually one of the strongest prinarchs. Pert just bullies him like he's a 5th grader lmao

[@Peter_Turbo4]

Spoiler warning. >casually creates a Perpetual Motion machine >calls Fulgrim over to see it >proceeds to use Fulgrim’s face as a Hammer >effortlessly kick’s Fulgrim’s ass >calls him a bitch >elaborates In-depth >goes back to his daily routine

[@gama343]

Even more spoilers: Fulgrim allowed him to do it. The entire time, he was acting like an ass and making a show of how much better Perturabo was just to build up a false sense of superiority. Fulgrim one-sidedly beats his ass and ascends to Daemon Prince in the climax. The plot twist is that Perturabo is set up to be seemingly the more competent one, but Fulgrim was actually the one playing him like a fiddle the entire time.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@gama343 One of the biggest Copes “Fulgrim” has ever put out.

[@Channel-23s]

@@gama343 ehh he wound Perty but couldn’t kill him and during the siege got whooped by Dorn and couldn’t kill Gullimen or rather he died and was resurrected or him not fighting the loyalists rather messing with and killing and or his troops being disorganized Perty hard carried and was of more use and did defeat Deamon Anagron and Dorn at the Iron Cage

[@Avengedtenfold]

@@gama343 Are you talking about the fight where Fulgrim saps Perturabo's strength with a stone that he gifted him as a trick? The one where a loyalist astartes manages to destroy the stone and give Perturabo the chance to brain Fulgrim so hard, the mortal part of him is completely destroyed? Cause while a good trick, it's not like Fulgrim was holding back being able to fight back against Perturabo at full strength. The plot twist was the trick and while I think Fulgrim would beat Perty in a one on one fight, I also think that's overselling him here. Also, odd fact that I'm not sure has really been commented on all that much: The Maugetar stone that saps Perturabo's strength has the same name as Maugan-Ra's big scythe weapon. The connection makes a a little sense in function but I don't remember if there's a concrete reason for that.

[@purplefidelity5162]

Perterabo would rock the fuck out of Fulgrim if he was baited into that trap to help his gay ass brother ascend into an even bigger gay lord. Hell he pretty much did rock his shit when that happened

[@Southerly93]

If purterabo was consistently written something like this, he'd probably be my favorite traitor primarch

[@QuayNemSorr]

The Lord of Iron was done with the shit.

[@The.Orange.Wizard]

What I like about the audio in particular is that it sounds like an old war documentary, the voice of the reader and the sound quality sounding like an old radio, something quite refreshing about it.

[@hammer1349]

RIP the warhound model. Honestly a da vinci style 40k model like that does sound amazing

[@aguyontheinternet9095]

Honestly I think the Triarch's quote at the end was the best part. "If you're going to skin a cat, you don't keep it around as a housepet."

[@Jadefox32]

The 4 fallen Primarchs I most sympathize with Magnus, Kurze, Peturabo, and Lorgar. Kurze's downfall was his inability to realize his visions were only a possibility. I watched a video recently that had me realize that the Nightlords style of warfare was the most humane sow chaos and fear then hit when they are at each other's throats. Kill thousands spare millions. Lorgar's desire to worship the Emperor was what caused his downfall, but his desire to believe in something greater than himself and beyond normal understanding was not. Magnus got the shaft by not heeding the Emperor's decree. Knowledge on it's own isn't wrong the implementation of it is where we need to be careful. That and Horus changing the orders to kill him rather than detain. Peturabo because of his impossibly high standards, but his love for crafting and development he, Vulcan, and Ferrus could of been great builders and craftsmen.

[@stormbringer2840]

Hum I really have a hard time having sympathy for Lorgar . The rest I agree but him ? He represent every reason why the emperor didn’t want peoples to know about the chaos gods , and I rarely side with this plan of the emperor but Lorgar kinda convince me .

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

I'm sorry, but I have FAR more sympathy for Morty than Lorgar. NO ONE liked Lorgar. Not even his other Primarchs. Imo, Big E should have made three deleted Primarchs instead of two. Btw, Kurze was running on fumes from day one when it comes to sanity. He was screwed from the start.

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@VoiceOfTheEmperor Preach for real, F Lorgar, all my homies hate Lorgar.

[@darknessml6145]

​@@VoiceOfTheEmperorThe incredibly petty smoker? thats who you like? The fucking war criminal specialist? the guy who makes death worlds instead of habitable places? that guy???

[@Weaselboy1]

Perturabo was actually likeable in this book

[@ElGrabnar]

Fulgrim has the uncanny ability to make anyone else seem more likeable by proxy.

[@dudeslayer4505]

Now I just want to see Vulkan and Perturabo smithing together.

[@jebkirn3619]

Not sure if this detail was foreshadowing, but Forrix's comment about not liking that model was fascinating considering it was the type that gunned him down.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

1000% a look at the camera and smile moment

[@aawallace98]

you know if perterabo keeps putting the chaos primarcs in there place like this he may become my new favorite

[@stephennorako1807]

Northern exile said it best: out of everyone in the heresy, perturabo was only victor. He has his own world where he can do what he wants. He isnt beholden to the emperor, horus, abaddon or any of the chaos gods. He beats dorn’s defense in the seige of terra and beat dorn’s offense in the iron cage. He has nothing left to fight for or to prove. Iron within, Iron without 🦾💀

[@Khashmonet]

I'm glad to see people warming up to Perturabo. Such an interesting character. Love the namedrop of Vulcan here, too. He truly was friends with everyone

[@dreadkalibur1613]

I legit felt bad when hearings the warhound model was destroyed. My heart sunk from it. But the point had to made.

[@Kalebfenoir]

I always figured Perturabo's voice, in my head, was a deep, rolling grumble, but not harsh. As deep as Horus's, but not as deep as Angron's, and without Horus's pre-heresy pleasantness. Not a grating voice: a solid baritone. This is one of my favorite scenes. Perturabo being clipped, bit still 'conversational', until he's done bashing Fulgrim's face in. I suppose he sounds a bit like Orson Welles in my head, now that I think about it. Unicron-Welles.

[@justinokraski3796]

I picture Steve Buscemi

[@gaelicpride_6353]

The Chad Perturabo vs the Soy Fulgrim

[@greg_4201]

Forrix was the real chad

[@gaelicpride_6353]

@@greg_4201 Still wonder how he was able to walk around comfortably with those enormous ceramite balls of his

[@namelessentity5851]

I have no idea why but; the way he says "gruesome" is just absolutely perfect. It is how I imagine Fulgrim would sound... kinda like a 17th century Dandy. The way he say it in a 'quivering' fashion is comical, I have zero doubt Fulgrim, as sick in the head as he is, has seen and done things far beyond the word itself. I wish I knew how to articulate that thought to a finer degree.

[@coleswanstrom2562]

This was one of my favorite parts in Angel Exterminatus

[@shoopdawhoop9247]

This has to be my new favorite primarch - primarch interaction. He just did the the-dark-knight-pencil-scene

[@sav1315]

There's something very saddening seeing Fulgrim beaten and chastised like a child by Perturabo.

[@viktordickinson7844]

Fulgrim deserved it

[@thescarletpumpernel3305]

isn't Fulgrim still mostly daemon possessed at this point? As himself Fulgrim would probably come out better.

[@austinkersey2445]

​@@thescarletpumpernel3305 Fulgrim was the better warrior by far. But, the daemonic possession and insidious corruption of Fulgrim's being dulled his once sharp intellect and neutered his senses. This excerpt even shows this when he sees an exquisite piece of artwork and pays it no heed, when the Phoenician prior to the fall would have been ecstatic, head over heels rambling to Perturabo about what exactly it was or trying to discern the artist. He has lost his discerning eye and his once delicate and pragmatic mind. It's been lost to a rabid, ravenous need to sate his own ego and engage in frivolity and self-aggrandizement. Basically, the corruption of Chaos has forcibly shoved his head up his own ass. However, had Fulgrim remained pure and not fallen to the corruptive influence of Chaos, then he would certainly whoop Perturabo's ass. The only major factors to consider there is that Perturabo is wearing a heavily customized suit of Terminator Armor, and Fulgrim has a personalized set of the standard Primarch set of Artificer Armor. Fulgrim has a flaming sword and a Plasma Pistol and Perturabo has quadruple-barreled Bolters on either arm and a teleportation device. It just depends on if Fulgrim could close the distance and engage Perturabo in melee. If he can, he wins. If he can't . . . then he gets turned into Swiss Cheese.

[@liammackenzie9283]

Dorn and Perturabo finally have found common ground: beating the living shit out of Fulgrim.

[@JiJ1511]

Perturabo best Traitor Primarch. Only Magnus is his equal. With Alpharius following second.

[@blitzkrieg1941]

LORGAR IS NUMBER ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@JiJ1511]

@@blitzkrieg1941 Yo Mr. "Red pilled on the primordial truth," shut your mouth. Lorgar got the Heresy ball rolling, but Perturabo and his boys carried straight to Terra.

[@blitzkrieg1941]

@@JiJ1511 Lorgar did nothing wrong

[@AlphaOmegon]

​@B L I T Z K R I E G Lorgar is a bigger failure than Angron, let that sink in.

[@blitzkrieg1941]

@@AlphaOmegon lmao he is the one that turned Angron into a demon and started a galaxy spanning religion! Truly Lorgar is the GOAT!

[@imtired9395]

Graham is an excellent voice actor. The way he conveys Perturabo's anger and barely restrained malice. The tired, seething tones with which he responds to Fulgrim's high-pitched, overconfident, almost childishly petulant words just bring him to life. I can close my eyes and see them speaking as if they're right in front of me. I usually assumed Jonathan Keeble was the best vc Warhammer had, but Mcniell really is great.

[@drewm326]

This was a refreshing audio clip. Thank you so much. It's so refreshing to me to listen to primarcs interact with eachother. Especially ones like Fulgrim & Perturabo

[@AnikaJarlsdottr]

jeez, the chaos legions wouldnt have gotten shit done without Perty, the Lord of Iron carried the traitors from istvaan III to the gates of the Imperial Palace.

[@Overanalyse_This]

Just discovered your channel and I have only one question: Why have you only done one video like this? It's masterful! I know a little about scripting and voice acting after 18 years as a copywriter in the advertising industry and this is one of the best pieces of 40K fan content! Please, please, please make more of these! So much more. It's what the world needs.

[@hunterkillerxyz]

It’s a rip from the audiobook. Audible will no doubt be issuing dmcas soon on geedubs behalf

[@knarftahw]

Angel Exterminatus is the book us Iron Warriors needed and deserved, finally some good writing for a change.

[@gama343]

The important thing to remember about this scene is that Fulgrim allowed this to happen. The entire book right up until the climax, Fulgrim was sandbagging, acting excessively cocky and generally being an annoying little shit to Perturabo on purpose. When the brothers finally came to blows for real, Fulgrim one-sisdedly handed Perturabo his ass until he felt his ascension to Daemon Prince was past the point of no return and more or less stopped fighting, allowing Perturabo to get a couple of good hits in. The line that a lot of fans seem to think is Perturabo's biggest burn against Fulgrim in this scene, "And yet, I'm the one holding the hammer," completely loses its bite if you know anything about the hammer he's talking about. That hammer was made by Fulgrim, given away by Fulgrim because he had no need of it, and is considered to be the finest example of craftsmanship any Primarch made. That hammer is proof of Fulgrim's superiority to Perturabo in matters of engineering, design and crafstmanship, areas in which Perturabo is supposed to be one of the best. Combine that with how Fulgrim whipped Perturabo when he was actually fighting back and the fact that nearly every single event that occurred was Fulgrim's plan, completely manipulating Perturabo and his entire Legion, and it is plain to see for anyone who is paying attention that this entire book is about Fulgrim styling on his brother in every aspect. As an added bonus, even when their respective Legions are fighting Wraith constructs at the end, there are individual Emperor's Children marines putting in as much work as whole squads of Iron Hands Terminators and Devastators. With nothing but swordsmanship. One guy with his sword outdoing heavy weapons teams. Something everyone likes to forget about the Emperor's Children is that they actually are superior. Despite how they act like prissy jackasses, they are obsessive perfectionists who hone their craft to the levels that the Space Wolves brag about but do not achieve. The reason they don't do more during the Heresy and after is because once they are corrupted by Sla'anesh they start playing for the first time in their centuries of career-focused life, they're having fun, they're not fighting to win seriously. Like many factions in Warhammer 40k, their overwhelming power is balanced by their personality flaws.

[@Lorddacenshadowind]

You make some good points but u want to counter with the fact that perty was having his soul sucked out and strength drained, and he was still capable of fighting fulgrim who had his strength plus part of Perterabo's. I don't think he was sandbagging here, mainly because he hates being seen as the fool and his men were there forced to watch, I think that he was surprised though(him thinking Perterabo was a stupid brute) and that yeah in an actual fight it could have gone differently

[@grimreminder5038]

I always do enjoy casual conversations between Primarch and legion that didn't just consist of battle statuses and the sort. Even if they're traitors, it's good to know they have an outlet aside from being left alone to their own personal internal sufferings like Angron

[@demonslayer6267]

His soldier dose have a point at the end, when you need to reprimand someone, no matter how brutally you are to do it, you don't do so in front of the people bellow him, you do it privately between just the two of you...though ultimately due to the corruption of Chaos by this point, it's unlikely Fulgrim would learn or listen no matter what Perturabo did, although the way Perturabo did it, probably didn't much help either, course it makes sense Perturabo would do it like this, at the end of the day, for all his smarts and tactics, for all his strategy, he's not a leader, he's a tyrant, a bully who hurts those bellow him to vent his frustration with those above him, because his iron will may not brake in front of nearly impossible odds, but it sure dose bend when it comes to standing up to himself, be it when it comes to his father, the Emperor or later on Horus

[@Chrisconditioning]

I love Perturabo such a cool primarch with hidden depths.

[@brendanmahns4493]

This conversation reminds me of the first scene in game of thrones with Tywin Lannister and Jaime, in the tent where he was skinning the deer.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

😬 never seen GoT

[@PlayNiceFolks]

One of my favorite scenes from my favorite book.

[@FerreusVir]

Traitor or not, when someone humiliates Fulgrim you gotta give a nod of respect.

[@John-kc4cg]

People see Tywin Lannister (Charles Dance) as the Lion because of the model but when Perturabo scolds people it really makes me think of Tywin much more than any other character. The schooling here is very similar to his schooling of Jaime during season 1.

[@Integritys_Sum]

I really liked the Lesson that fulgrim taught to "tHe gOrGon" That being that you drive the world in a downward spiral when, if all you value is Ability and Function, then people will stoop to any level to win, even as they drag the world down.

[@beefzerkee]

Perty is such a baller, I can't wait to hear more about him. People think Angron is a menace, imagine the walking arsenal the Iron Warriors get to deal with

[@ryanadams0922]

I love this scene, not a big fan for either primarch but Perturabo remark to Fulgrim made me give him respect

[@richbattaglia5350]

Fulgrim, perfect in many things, except character and surprises.

[@brooklynkeith2877]

Ah maybe this is why fulgrim attempted to harness perturabo for his apotheosis afterall...

[@ynosrage8402]

Angel Exterminatus made Perty my favorite traitor primarch and Nykona Sharrowkyn my favorite astartes ever!

[@micahthezilla9432]

Fulgrim's captain has balls though, literally about to stand up for his Primarch to another Primarch.

[@Pyre]

Oh so THAT'S why Fulgrim tried to murder Perturabo for daemonhood. Perturabo sounding like every creaky old villain from every 1990s children's animated movie is not a thing I ever expected to flare VIVIDLY to life in my brain, but I've heard it and there it is now, *bizarrely* right-feeling.

[@yomamashouse16]

Its kinda interesting perty was fixing a miniature warhound like its a clock and i picture it as a warhound model

[@dreadkalibur1613]

I love this one more than the new one. It carried more weight than before.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

🤷‍♀️ Im not a professional VA.

[@richbattaglia5350]

I’m thinking of Perty making his toys out of Legos and then smashing it with Fulgrim’s face.

[@joshlesure3196]

Perturabo beating the living shit out of Fulgrim, will never stop being satisfying for me.

[@torbv]

gezz that was amazing story teller right here. thanks awaiting for the next ones

[@Hammer_Of_Olympia]

David Timson is my favourite Perturabo voice, same for Fulgrim actually. His narcissistic and higher than thou attitude exudes from the narration

[@andrewgalea5012]

Of all the heretics, perturabo is by far the one I wished stayed loyal.

[@Lorddacenshadowind]

For me I'm torn between perty or magnus, recently perty has been on top though

[@andrewgalea5012]

@@Lorddacenshadowind perty is the most grounded and practical of them. Most important 30k heretic primarch too.

[@stormbringer2840]

My heart bleed for magnus but if I had to choose between him and perturabo I won’t hesitate. Without perturabo the traitors were screwed , their best feat would’ve stayed killing Ferrus .

[@TheCoomer]

Throughly enjoyed listening, thank you.

[@kaneslives]

Perty respects Vulkan? Love it.

[@TheCommissarGeneral]

He also respects Dorn, but in a rival sort of way. I remember in “The First Wall” in the Siege of Terra series one of his Triarchs proposes Dorn made a mistake in his fortifications, and it pisses Perturabo off.

[@Gaaxure]

I love choice for Turbo's voice.

[@fatcoyote2]

Fourix holding a model of a destroyed model of a Warhound is delicious foreshadowing.

[@artistofcybertron]

This whole interaction is pure gold. Not just because of Perturabos intelligence but how Fulgrim also oozes arrogance, even after getting the shit beat out of him. I enjoy Fulgrim a lot because he s that prissy asshole theater kid. 😂

[@TheGodOfWarhammer]

more please!

[@matthewcherrington2634]

Perturabo is going to teach you about the pecking order

[@fatcoyote2]

Perty establishing his dominance against the second least of his brothers.

[@benhramiak8781]

This got me to listen to the book. Love it

[@Mr.Joshua79]

I always like to think that the mortal that figured out the drive engine, and the journals, private papers were all from Leonardo da Vinci. Ya we'll just go with that. Lol.

[@nathanwinters1247]

I'm sure Fulgrim savored the experience of being humiliated and beaten.

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

I'm certain he thought of this moment when he tried killing Purturabo.

[@zaryabaziz780]

Same war hound model that kills Forrix in 40k lol no wonder he doesn’t like it

[@anikidwolfy]

I predict perturabo is gonna show up at vulkans front door with a box of broken warhound bits 1 day. "Sorry i broke it brother, i couldn't a M0.0012 tap to fix it, can you help me put it back together again"

[@RoninWolfos]

Perty’s a beast, #1 Rebel Boi.

[@dansmith3343]

Peter Turbo will forever be my favorite prim

[@klortikterra4423]

Perturabo is one of the few traitor primarchs that has earned my respect. i am a rabid defender of the imprium, but Perty somehow has my respect. mainly for his recognition of the other primarchs, loyalist or traitor. Not to mention his own craft. wonderfully complex, and precise.

[@DarkCellsCustos]

Just effortless beats Fulgrim into submission... Gotta love it. Perty is my favorite traitor primarch.... For good reason. So badass... I go as far as to say he is one of my favorite primarchs in general...

[@primary2630]

The more I see Perturabo, the more I like him, lol. Hes probably my favourite traitor primarch

[@dagnirglaurunga1620]

😂 Well you can't blame fulgrim for that sucker punch soul wound later after this beating.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

Casual Toybox Fun Time with Perty!

[@xar9499]

This is why turbo is my favorite. He may has some real annoying flaws but he means business. He is the only reason the HH is a whole side game and not a brief side note in some books.

[@dragansnyder2208]

You are now picturing perturabo beating the shit out of fulgrim with a model of a warhound titan

[@lscf]

David Timson should be the canon voice for Perturabo

[@Bloodyshinta1]

if you set up noise gate and noise suppression filters we won't be able to hear your fan buzzing in the background.

[@gagedevaney5115]

Iron within Iron without!

[@lonewolfandcub668]

I think they done the character wrong by making him a Demon Primarch because it's just against his key personality.

[@brooklynkeith2877]

I never liked that ... dosnt make sense with the lord of iron

[@Ordoabchao-x9k]

Wow so perty kicked the snot out of Angron and Fulgrim? Badass

[@jedmasters8132]

This was awesome

[@synergy8879]

and you know damn well perty made a whole new one later because he could

[@richbattaglia5350]

I want to say Perturabo is the opposite to Rogal Dorn, but after seeing how he treats his Legion, Angron, and Fulgrim this assumption is wrong. Perturabo is the exact doppelgänger to Roboute Guilliman.