Peter Hitchens’ Half Hour: "People Are Taking Marijuana In Schools At The Age Of 11"

A Christian teacher who was banned from the profession for 'misgendering' a transgender pupil said he would 'rather die' than 'call her a him'.
New research, with millions of case studies worldwide over decades suggests that heavy use of high-potency cannabis could add to the mental health crisis in the U.S.
TalkTV's Mike Graham and author and columnist Peter Hitchens discuss the topics making headlines this week.
#talktv #talkradio

[@talktv]

Does tougher action need to be taken in schools?

[@Scottjbk]

I was a cannabis user at age 11 - which was when I joined high school in the late 90's

[@Scottjbk]

Will add now that I have Schizophrenia as well 😞

[@zamiadams4343]

no

[@savgoulis2826]

My daughter came home from school last week and asked "what is ketamin Mum?". !!!

[@seandelap8587]

Politics should be kept out of the classrooms full stop

[@tekay44]

to late, we are not putting that genie back in the bottle

[@dazzle316]

The war on drugs will never be won, complete waste of resources and time, legalise it, control it, and no doubt tax it. End off

[@terryo5672]

Rather anyone that takes drugs is increasingly fined. Anyone that sells it should get long sentence.

[@entropy5431]

​@@terryo5672 You can't realistically ban drugs while alcohol is legal, it's just hypocritical.

[@SagaciousFrank]

​@@entropy5431 , you can, actually. They're already banned, and should remain so.

[@SagaciousFrank]

"The war on drugs....", what war is that, then?

[@entropy5431]

@@SagaciousFrank I said realistically. If they are banned then how come everyone that wants them has them?

[@robedwards4259]

I'm 43 and I first tried it at 12. Nothing new here

[@Indicasativa55]

I started my marijuana career at 14 at school and 32 years later and having never stopped I own two homes my own business and happily married to my first and only wife with two wonderful girls both at university and not a single mental health problem .

[@billdemudd6697]

nice one

[@Indicasativa55]

@@billdemudd6697 cheers bro , just wanted to put the myth all weed smokers are unmotivated waisters to bed and that the school kids that get caught shouldn’t be written off as trouble makers

[@MbisonBalrog]

Are you in England?

[@RougeDeBlah]

you say this as if it means anything lol its like saying "yoo heroin isnt addictive i did it a couiple of times and i didnt get addicted!!!"

[@odini6235]

so if your daughters smoked weed at 14 you wouldnt mind

[@markfarnon6742]

I'm not sure which is worse; the fact that there are so many children in school who think they would like to change sex, or the Government having to step in and make the schools tell those children's parents what's happening (as the schools clearly don't believe it has anything to do with the parents)!

[@WorksopGimp]

Should control it instead of banning it

[@TheNobbynoonar]

Steve Thomas Why target the dealers? They’d go bust if people didn’t buy from them.

[@Daniel-gb3en]

It's already "banned". It's an illegal drug. The police just no longer enforce the law on it anymore. If they did then maybe we could control its use.

[@carldoylekoil1305]

This was happening in the 80s I remember doing it ,so nothing has changed .

[@zamiadams4343]

Free the weed.

[@Daniel-gb3en]

It's already free, unfortunately

[@definitelymaybe3805]

​@@Daniel-gb3enexactly so why allow criminals to manage the market? Far safer to regulate it

[@HoratioKJV]

@@definitelymaybe3805 America tried this and it has already failed. Criminals undercut the tax and still flourish. Anyone selling this dangerous drug is criminal.

[@jamescaley9942]

Just try buying cigarettes in the UK, I mean what a palavar. It's like a game show. I can see why young people would prefer cannibas from a local drug dealer. So much more accessible.

[@seandelap8587]

Honestly out of all the things to be concerned about weed shouldn't be that high on the list

[@petersmith2522]

They was testing it on a mouse and it just so happened the mouse had a brain tumour it completely got rid of the tumour

[@Daniel-gb3en]

You're not concerned by the fact that well over a million people in this country alone consume a drug that's linked with severe mental illness and violent crime?

[@Martin-88]

​@@Daniel-gb3en Tell me what sort of crimes people go and commit after having some weed? In my experience it relaxes people and they just sit and listen to music or watch TV.

[@Daniel-gb3en]

@@Martin-88 There's a website called 'attacker smoked cannabis' which details countless acts of violence where it's been confirmed... well, that the attacker smoked cannabis. Almost every school shooter in the states was a cannabis smoker too.

[@Martin-88]

@@Daniel-gb3en You can't be serious 😂. Some people are just scummers and will commit crime regardless of whether they've used cannabis or not. The people on the website you mention probably consumed caffeine on the day they carried out their crime. Shall we ban that too?

[@ejc636]

I just named my students by numbers. Problem was solved.

[@royferguson2297]

I was watching a programme on TV about Donald Trump, my six year old Grandson shocked me by saying my teacher says he is a bad man.

[@nimbusxd91]

Mr hitchens is a great human being i miss his brother so much 😢

[@snuggleseal]

Free the weed!

[@jdgoesham5381]

Ditto. Legal cannabis cultivator here. Nothing bad comes from it. When we legalized it here in my state in the far NE of the US it helped in a few months. So much more money, jobs, less hard drugs, less drinking, chill vibes and I could go on. It's been such a boon I can't even put it into words how well it's gone. We REALLY needed that tax money to get ppl treatment for hard drugs like opiates which have been an epidemic here since the Oxycontin pills came out 20yrs or so ago. There's never been enough money to treat even a small percentage. Ppl on waiting lists for treatment for literally 2 years! Many dying while waiting. Now there is money to pay for it and ppl are getting right in. And it has the benefit of curbing crime from ppl stealing and robbing for money to get their fix. If they don't need it to get "well" they don't steal. And then they can work and be a part of society again. All because of the tax from cannabis. Which is less harmful that coffee or sweets. Like with anything that adults imbibe in, it's up to parents to be policing their kids. My folks did it and did it well and both worked. So others can if they care. If an 11yr old got weed and is smoking it it's 100% the parents fault.

[@zamiadams4343]

Well said sir!

[@billdemudd6697]

if kids are taking it at schools the schools shouldn't be hoarding it

[@alanzee_]

The strange about thing people who want to legalise cannabis is they want to ban almost everything else from fast food, to vaping tobacco.

[@charlytaylor1748]

not this vegan libertarian

[@JimmyChangE16]

There's more issues around mental health issues caused by Alcohol, Marijuana needs age restriction and correct regulation, take it away from Organised Crime and tax it.

[@petersmith2522]

I agree however why shouldnt we ve allowed to grow our own like other countries

[@andrewdaly21]

Weed is a vice, like alcohol. The fact that most users don't want to admit that, says something about the unique dangers of it. It is insidious and defended as a virtue instead of a vice.

[@Liam.Fairhurst]

Tell that to 30'000 of us who are prescribed it legally..

[@andrewdaly21]

@@Liam.Fairhurst okay.

[@Liam.Fairhurst]

@@andrewdaly21 is that your only response? You state that my medicine is insidious. Quite insulting really..

[@user-dj5ji6ip2j]

Also am I the only person who thinks that ptsd has a suspiciously large amount of similarities between schizophrenia and PTSD?

[@SomeTwatt]

Longer prison sentences!!! Lock the kids up!!

[@lukeharrop4620]

I tried it at 10, didn't have a lasting effect

[@royferguson2297]

In Northern Ireland we had the Twelfth Fortnight in July, we closed down for two weeks but that's gone now.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

The Twelfth fortnight? July has only two fortnights,

[@susannamarker2582]

Bring it back.

[@samuelmelton8353]

While I believe teachers shouldn't tell pupils who to vote for, or what news papers not to buy, they should teach about climate change.

[@deal2live]

We can sue them for causing great harm in a decades time! This is like big pharma and opioid crisis. The history that lead to banning of tabaco should be great lesson.

[@deal2live]

So the teacher refused compelled speech! But he because he is nutter he looses our support!

[@ibuprofen303]

Hitchens is usually quite good, but sadly desperately ignorant on the subject of drugs,especially cannabis.

[@Daniel-gb3en]

He's spent several years researching this subject, backing his opinions up with evidence, and has published a book about it. What ignorance?

[@peteg8920]

Teachers should leave their politics out of teaching. Plain and simple.

[@dannyb9609]

laughing about child abuse. Says it all really.

[@jamesjarrett52]

You try and offer an opinion that counters orrhodoxy as a teacher. Your feet won t touch the ground.

[@gh-vi9tk]

It's the kids that give it a bad name. Kids should be kids & not exposed to the things they see today & adults should be able to do as they please if it harms nobody else. Look at what booze is doing to society , that should be classified like other drugs.

[@joshgrnbuddha3381]

I'm an American. The first place I had marijuana was in Florida(early 2000's) which at the time(and still largely) was extremely strict on it. They caleed it zero tolerance, sentencing of years for any amount and if they found a seed yoi got automatically prosecuted as a distributor. Which back then all the weed had seeds in it. I got it in middle school for doing another students report. Tobacco and alcohol were harder to get than any of the illegal drugs. I do agree that there's likely a decent amount of damage being caused by many substances on the mental development of children into adults. Between recreational drugs and all the various prescriptions they foist without knowing much of anything about how the brain works and developes. I'm for legalizing and heavily regulated distribution. If you make it easier for adults to get, without massively jacking up the price; theres less reason for black market sales and it becomes harder for children to get. I also think there needs to be more studies into the developmental effects of substance use whether prescribed or recreational. If things are legalized than more people will be willing to admit their use and submit for studies; particularly if they're paid studies. At least thats my supposition. I also liked what was said about bringing more personal diversity into teaching. Of uou don't learn as a child how to debate and deal with people having opposing views than you won't lnow how to do it as an adult. You jave ro deal with a lot of different viewpoints as an adult, even that teacher with his very strict biblical dogma. There are people like that you sometimes just have to deal with. Best to learn how to do it in healthy productive ways when you're still young rather than trying to figure it out as an adult. Otherwise you'll wind up like a lot of the zealots that can't compromise, even if not doing so means mutual destruction. Be well

[@Tennethums1]

Ha! Im 50 and I can tell you, getting marijuana “back in the day” (high school) was a major undertaking. When one of us did score some (from a friend of a friend of a friend of this dude someone knew…) we thought the heavens had opened up and the weekend was ON! 🤪 Now, I go to a Cana Market and it’s like Toys R Us but with wall-to-wall jars and bags of marijuana. Every strain out there. Sativas, indicas and hybrids. And it’s CHEAP! Never thought I’d see it happen. As to legalization…I used to be all for it. However, I’ve seen alcohol destroy many peoples lives and I’ve seen marijuana do the same. Who doesn’t still have that high school friend that always seemed high and hasn’t made it any further in life than the day they graduated? One of the things that made me begin to think a little differently about it is what’s called the “Tragedy of the Commons”. While it doesn’t necessarily deal with substance abuse, it does seem to explain an unavoidable human mentality we can’t seem to escape; irresponsibility. When we are allowed to “take care of ourselves” we seem to screw it up. I see it in myself and in my friends who drink or smoke incessantly. I see it in people who play the lottery as a form of retirement “savings”. “The payout is coming! It will all be worth it!…” I’ve come to realize that we NEED direction, we NEED leadership and we REALLY need control, else we fall into complete chaos. Just rambling. Im just not sure of the whole Legalization thing as I once was. I wonder if we shouldn’t go back and outlaw gambling, alcohol AND marijuana? I guess I just don’t have much faith in my fellow man any more 🤪

[@seandelap8587]

What ever happens to honesty being the best policy because that doesn't seem to apply when talking about gender in fact its now a sackable offense simply for calling women women and men men

[@jimmorris8927]

Legalise EATING marihuana. It is the smoking that is unhealthy.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

People? You mean children.

[@charlesbeaudry3263]

Don't tell me there exists, somewhere, a kid of 11 bringing canabis to school but quote me some serious statistics.

[@jamiejack764]

Mgc pharmaceuticals will be massive in the future

[@aposteriori421]

So low on the priority of things to be dedicating air time to

[@Martin-88]

He was on Talk TV about two weeks ago talking about this exact issue. The man is obsessed. The only way cannabis is going is towards more legalisation, it's as simple as that.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Yes. But that is wrong. Crazy. Which is what Peter is pointing out. Encouraging paranoid villains is not good practice.

[@Martin-88]

@@stephfoxwell4620 That's just nonsense quite frankly. In what way does cannabis make someone a villain? I've used it for over a decade and I'm not paranoid or a villain and hold down a full time job. Alcohol and tobacco are also way worse for your health and society.

[@HoratioKJV]

@@Martin-88 When you develop cannabis-induced psychosis, who's going to look after you?

[@Martin-88]

@@HoratioKJV It doesn't cause psychosis. The problem is when people already suffer from psychosis or other mental illness and then start using it.

[@HoratioKJV]

@@Martin-88 Source(s) for where it's concluded, "it doesn't cause psychosis," and, "pre-existing mental illness is a requirement"? NIH says otherwise.

[@genacrooker5982]

So did I, in 1976! So it's nothing new.😊

[@JosephusAurelius]

Just like Greggs sell a vegan ‘sausage’ roll, this is thirty minutes long

[@PomPomPalaver]

I would imagine, o' great philosopher, that this was made for a tv channel, thus explaining roughly 7 minutes cut from your preciously desired half hour.

[@barrychuckle5565]

I do love Peter but I wish he would stop banging on about weed. He hasn't a clue about it. Obviously never tried it. Concentrate on things that matter.

[@barrychuckle5565]

@@stevethomas6553 ok bot. Obviously it makes not a scrap of difference knowing what you're talking about.

[@Martin-88]

​@Steve Thomas Anti-social effects? Like what? Eating a few packets of crisps while watching TV?

[@66sandymurf49]

Cannabis is the MOST SAFEST DRUG on the market? Or are STATINAS more healthier 🤔

[@entropy5431]

Statins? I'm not sure what you are trying to say?

[@66sandymurf49]

@entropy5431 lowering colastrol is a myth the farma industry makes a lot of MONEY?

[@entropy5431]

@@66sandymurf49 I take statins. Has improved my health. Enjoy butter too.

[@66sandymurf49]

@entropy5431 I have been down that root I feel a lot better not taking statins but no hard feelings my friend be safe god bless

[@richardlewis7498]

pot users can suffer from mental health problems wirh heavy usage

[@hassyg4083]

Cannabis is grown on UK soil its a British crop

[@MrDenzal27]

Stop calling it a probaganda name. German is legilising weed "papers please".

[@davidmclachlan6592]

Mikes bottomless cup of coffee....

[@pspals6972]

Drugs are easier to get than alcohol for young people. That’s because alcohol is legal lol. If the only place you could get weed was a shop and you needed ID, this would maybe happen less.

[@johnrichardson7548]

Legalise cannabis 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@elaine8417]

My god man speak up you are mumbling

[@roddywishart4613]

Excellent speaking from hitchens, as usual. It's like listening to holdsworth on the guitar

[@PaulWayneJohnson-ie4cu]

I enjoy both.

[@glyn5385]

you cant make a herb illegal, its my human right to use it medically and socially. no one has ever died from smoking a bong/pipe/joint/vape/edible/RSO etc ignore all laws regarding cannabis

[@richardlewis7498]

mental health problems

[@definitelymaybe3805]

​@@richardlewis7498do you even know what % of users suffer mental health problems from it or are you just repeating newspaper headlines?

[@richardlewis7498]

@@definitelymaybe3805 dont know the % but a lot of users rely heavily on their CPN's

[@HoratioKJV]

@@definitelymaybe3805 A study in The Lancet journal concluded up to 50% of first-episode psychosis could be prevented if cannabis were no longer available. (cannabis use to variation in the incidence of psychotic disorder across Europe (EU-GEI))

[@sticksman1979]

I do wonder if Peter realises there are much more dangerous drugs?

[@EdVanMeyer]

There are but this rubbish is often the gateway to them.

[@davidgavin7280]

So what? What about isn't an argument.

[@ibuprofen303]

@@EdVanMeyer Cannabis has been demonstrably proved to be not a gateway drug at all. Comments like yours are ignorant.

[@jujutrini8412]

@@EdVanMeyer Not true at all.

[@petersmith2522]

​@@EdVanMeyer they was testing it on a mouse in a lab and by accident the mouse had a brain tumour and it completely got rid of the tumour

[@2gointruth]

Beware of all religions and their many prayers. “I am the light of the world. No follower of mine shall wander in the dark; he shall have the light of life.” - (The Prophet and Messiah Jesus of Nazareth at John 8: 12) -

[@2gointruth]

“When you pray, go into a room by yourself, and shut the door. Pray to your Father who is there in the secret place; and your Father who sees what is secret will reward you. In your prayers do not go babbling on like the heathen, who imagine that the more they say the more likely they are to be heard. Do not imitate them. Your Father knows what your needs are before you ask him. This is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, Your kingdom come; your will be done, on earth as in heaven, Give us today our daily bread, And forgive us the wrong we have done, as we have forgiven those who have wronged us. And do not bring us to the test, but save us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if you forgive others the wrongs they have done, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, then the wrongs you have done will not be forgiven by your Father.” - (Jesus at Matthew 6: 6-15) - “Pass no judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal out to others will be dealt back to you.” - (at Matthew 7: 1-2) - “Truly I tell you, if anyone obeys my teaching he shall never know what it is to die.” - (at John 8: 51) - “Always treat others as you would like them to treat you: that is the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it.” - (Matthew 7: 9-14) - “I am the gate; anyone who comes into the fold through me shall be safe. He shall go in and out and shall find pasturage. The thief comes only to steal, to kill, to destroy; I have come that men may have life, and may have it in all its fullness.” - (John 10: 9-10) - “Beware of false prophets, men who come to you dressed up as sheep while underneath they are savage wolves. You will recognize them by the fruits they bear.” - (Matthew 7: 12-16) - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” - (Matthew 7: 21) - “I am the resurrection and I am life. If a man has faith in me, even though he dies, he shall come to life; and no one who is alive and has faith shall ever die.” - (John 11: 25-26) - “I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world” - (John 12: 47) - “Whoever then will acknowledge me before men, I will acknowledge him before my Father in heaven; and whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.” - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - “I am the way; I am the truth and I am life; no one comes to the Father except by me. If you knew me you would know my Father too.” - (John 14: 6-7) - “An expert in the law, [a leading religious Pharisee] tested him with this question: ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ He answered, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. That is the greatest commandment. It comes first. The second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. Everything in the Law and the Prophets hangs on these two commandments.’” - (Matthew 22: 35-40) - “There is no greater love than this, that a man should lay down his life for his friends.” - (John 15: 13) - “Do not call any man on earth ‘father’; for you have one Father and he is in heaven. Nor must you be called ‘teacher’; you have one Teacher, the Messiah.” - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - “Take care that no one misleads you: For many will come claiming my name…” - (Matthew 24: 4) - “Many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many; and as lawlessness spreads, men’s love for one another will grow cold. But the man who holds out to the end will be saved. ” - (Matthew 24: 11-13) - “Teach them to observe all that I have commanded you. And be assured, I am with you always, to the end of time.” - (Matthew 28: 20) - Yours, in true Spirit and in our one given prayer, 2gointruth, on Tuesday the 30th of May 2023: - (Matthew 5: 14-16) - Where every minute (of both day and night) can be a new beginning for any one of us. Let it always be you. Pray to God often, as prescribed above, before it is too late.

[@2gointruth]

“The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light: light has dawned upon them, dwellers in a land as dark as death.” - (Isaiah 9: 2) -

[@PaulWayneJohnson-ie4cu]

@@2gointruth Praise God!

[@williamjohn2910]

I started smoking weed in the late nineties at 14, now I'm nearly 50 and have been a drug addict all my life, completely ruining my life over and over again. Humans are habitual creatures with addictive personalities.

[@BleachDemon99]

Ditto…..wasted 40yrs, could of achieved so much more had I’d not been addicted to weed

[@tekay44]

you can quit. not easy, but you can.

[@vendettarising]

weed is not addictive at all, in no way shape or form ....it's a habit and your weak minded and weak willed.....easy to blame something else rather than take responsibility.... I stop and start every few days or weeks, sometimes for months

[@charlytaylor1748]

I started aged 16 (47 years ago) and have enjoyed it ever since

[@PaulWayneJohnson-ie4cu]

There is hope..: Christ loves you.

[@user-kc4lt2eg6u]

The fact that weed is still illegal is laughable. Especially when it's basically culturally mandatory to be an alcoholic in this country, which is far worse for you, in every sense, and everyone with whom you come into contact. The dipshits who keep rejecting it out of hand have never tried it and no doubt drink themselves to bed every night.

[@magnus9701]

what is WOKE ? new word for me

[@for111]

Originally, "woke" was used by those claiming to be "woke" (awake) to racial prejudice. Over time it has become a perjorative term used to describe a particular type of liberal left winger - hypersensitive and patronising. However, oftentimes it is used by some folks in the extremes to basically include anything or anyone they don't like. Black man on TV - Woke! Gay couple on TV - woke! You get the idea.

[@munkami]

Its the right wings way of patronising people who have liberal or progressive views. Its a pejorative.

[@entropy5431]

It's a term for people that have very strange views.

[@munkami]

@@entropy5431 by what measure strange?

[@ZenosOsgorma]

@@munkami No it means your regressive , ideals that don't work etc its a Ironic take because the Woke lot THINK they are being progressive by wanting more Eco crap which makes everyone poorer , which means Less funds to improve housing / Energy Efficency etc etc You can't improve things if people are skint and being TAXED to the hilt.

[@darrenbrown4605]

Peter hitchens is completely wrong about cannabis. I love the way they call out superskunk like it's crystal meth . It's a bloody strain if cannabis like many others. I wonder if whisky should be banned as its stronger than baby cham 😂😂😂

[@dlwf11111]

That’s always my point, I could bet all my money that these two enjoy a drink, yet kids under 18 are drinking and messing themselves up, would they advocate for the banning of alcohol? Course they wouldn’t 😂😂

[@Daniel-gb3en]

What is he wrong about?

[@definitelymaybe3805]

​@@Daniel-gb3en Everything. He wants cannabis users to be put in prison.

[@HoratioKJV]

@@definitelymaybe3805 That's where druggie criminals belong, before they get to harm others. Psychosis and extreme violence is a well-established phenomenon.

[@johnkeane1419]

Yeah, boomer fantasists.

[@garrymcfadden4105]

Peter needs a good blast on a weed vape. Would sort him right out

[@PaulWayneJohnson-ie4cu]

Hitler would've agreed.

[@tekay44]

the kids are also swimming in alcohol.

[@definitelymaybe3805]

And whose fault is it kids find it easier to buy weed than alcohol. It's the fault of people like Peter Hitchens who prefer to hand vast profits to criminals. He thinks he's an expert on weed but he's seriously out of touch, using scare mongering headlines based on his opinion. Ask the man for evidence and he draws a blank.

[@TheNobbynoonar]

Definitely Maybe Not quite true. There are various medical studies that have shown a direct link between cannabis use and mental illness. Also proof of physical damage is well documented. Mr Hitchens has mentioned this in his research on cannabis use many times over the years. As for people such as Hitchens making it easier for children to buy weed, how does pushing for tougher sentencing for cannabis use make it easier? Mr Hitchens has often stated that the UK courts should be following countries such as Japan which have severe penalties for drug abuse. And for that reason, they don’t have anywhere like the drug problems the Western world has.

[@nancywrong1299]

Its the worst drug I've tried ..ivehad most

[@definitelymaybe3805]

Don't tell Hitchens. He thinks people who use drugs should be sent to prison for 5 yeats

[@HoratioKJV]

​@@definitelymaybe3805 Correction, anyone intelligent thinks they should be.*

[@johnkeane1419]

Boomer ramblings from 1958, lol

[@Afghan31]

Sharia is the best option.

[@PomPomPalaver]

Dinosaur. "marijuana"- if that doesn't explain his level of ignorance, nothing will.