Peter Ibbetson | English Full Movie | Drama Fantasy Romance

[@marklauzon186]

OMG....Its Sunday and its pouring out and I stumbled onto this movie. I am speechless. What a nice flick. Her description of the After Life at the end is EXACTLY what I would hope for. Exactly. Sure...its a lil corny in spots BUT thats the time period as well. Naw....I think you are gonna enjoy this one!!

[@42kellys]

Yes, dear, but it is not true. It is only a film and the description is the wishful thinking put in somewhere where it would fit nicely, into this romantic film. There is no afterlife, do not fool yourself. There is however a possibility to live forever here on earth. That is the real hope from the bible and not afterlife. That is a lie propagated through centuries by certain false religious teachings, that are not based on the Bible nor do they show you what it really says and what God's promise is.

[@Laura-i2r9r]

A wonderful film !! Love these lovely B/W Old films so much better than today’s motion pictures!! Better made and more entertaining. ❤😊 Thank you so kindly👍🏻😊😊🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@swissotto1]

I love the classy Ann Harding and enjoy her performances. She has a regal bearing and a noble quality about her. With her appealing soft voice, she was able to transition from silent movies to the “talkies” successfully.

[@katherinedowling4246]

I saw this when I was home recovering a broken leg this was on tv and I watched spellbound it’s an extraordinary film stayed with me so glad to find it again

[@jrc630]

I'm with fracture arm and ankle ,just going Tru KZbin bk & white movies and came across this wonderful movie 😅😅😅 hopefully u ok 👍

[@dorocaruso754]

What an excellent movie! I couldn't stop watching it. Ture love, with no need for sex scenes, and race cars crashing, or lavish anything. A real love story to last forever. Thanks for uploading it.

[@gregorypalmer5403]

The great director Bunuel said it was one of the three best movies of all time.

[@korneliasures762]

Absolutely beautiful now I think we know that they where astral travellers. Such an old movie already bringing such wisdom ahead of its time , what a gem of a movie.

[@jjtt7408]

WOW ! WHAT A AMAZING STORY AND MOVIE / I WAS HANGING ON TO EVERY PART OF THIS MOVIE / THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MOVIES I HAVE SEEN / I JUST WISH DDF WOULD PLAY THE MOVIE TO THE VERY END WITH OUT ANY INTERRUPTIONS ADDS FOR OTHER MOVIES OR CUT THE FILM SHORT THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF ANY MOVIE ARE VERY IMPORTANT A FEW SECONDS TO DWELL AND CONTEMPLATE WITH OUT ANY INTERRUPTIONS / THANK YOU DDF FOR SHARING A GEM OF A MOVIE

[@Shamimsie797]

the kids were so cute, their scenes were the best in the film

[@sandraglover2681]

A most endearing & lovely film. True sweet love that does live in Heaven for eternity.

[@trh1493]

this was an excellent movie...I hardly watch 1930's but Im glad I did....

[@kimmccabe1422]

I watched it full and it wasn't even a mystery. Just a wonderful little story ❤ oh but it was sad..happy..sad..Happy!

[@MyLady120]

I remember the little boy from the Little rascals and Gary Cooper was such a great actor in this movie. A sad ending yet a great movie. Awesome!

[@raffaellavitiello1762]

I wish l did not read this before seeing the movie, so annoying

[@terrikennedy3088]

Thrilled to run across Ann Harding. A favorite of mine not found in many Hollywood films.

[@joysmith1213]

I loved Gary Coopers sideburns and mustache, he was one handsome man.

[@Hollystein]

I was trying to figure out how that voice sounded familiar!

[@nedludd7622]

Not mentioned in the summary is that it is based on a novel by Georges du Maurier. This happens too often in the presentation of these older movies based on literature. For decades now, American cinema has not given a damn about literature so this is not a problem.

[@MarieAntoinette1938_tmc]

This man was handsome and elegant !

[@PitaP.]

Ty vm for loading Love never dies It can go through any barrier

[@nellzach667]

I absolutely adore this film. It was ahead of its time. It was canned but now, finally, it is getting some attention.

[@walterroberts2861]

The Fabrique Of The Outfits And Their Well-Tailored Looks Are Exquisite As Well!!!! The Designer's Palette Seems Impeccable!!!🦌🦌🦌🦌

[@E-Kat]

Fabrique sounds lovely.😊

[@ritawing1064]

George du Maurier, a forgotten writer (and illustrator). Odd books, but worth giving a whirl even now.

[@hazelmunro1126]

Love these movies but hate the way they cut suddenly at the end.

[@jackwalder2602]

Thank you. I also love the old b/w movies. But please include the opening and closing credits. Thanks again.

[@42kellys]

I just loved it. I have this silly thing that I keep mistaking Gary Cooper for Cary Grant until I see him and realize my mistake. I love them both. They are very different. This film was just beautiful. As cruel as the reality was so beautiful their shared dreams were where they could be together every night.

[@lynneperrigo7551]

I used to confuse them also, when I was a little girl. Throw Clark Gable in there also. I think it was all the C's and G's in their names. I have it all straight now, though.

[@42kellys]

@@lynneperrigo7551WoW! I am not alone with that! Great! I never had Clark Gable into the pot only these two. I saw many more Cary Grant films than Gary Cooper's but I always thought of Cary Grant's face when I started to watch the Gary Cooper films. I did not do it the other way around, though. I suppose it was because I did know Cary Grant's films and his face better.

[@AlmaJenkins-j1k]

😅

[@tmo.48]

Probably the best movie I've ever seen ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@eveyholmes]

Cooper, though born in Montana,his parents were both British from England. Cooper was also an architect .

[@pamalaforrester]

He played in architect in the movie Fountainhead and he was an artist in college but never an architect.

[@eveyholmes]

@@pamalaforrester yes I know this, but I had read he wanted to be an Architect. He was a Political Cartoonist before going into movies.

[@leonakay6491]

Love Gary Cooper, and he is incredible in this movie. He was one of the greats of that time. Beautiful soul, and lovely man, it shines through. Beautiful era, with the black and white movies depicting so much more than today's computer generated movies. Thank you. What is the title of this movie?

[@marge3477]

Yiu got to watch A Farewell to Arms 1932

[@leonakay6491]

@@marge3477 Thank you, I will. Blessings to you from Australia.

[@bushkin2]

Peter Ibbetson title, great!!

[@leonakay6491]

Thank you.@@bushkin2

[@FemiNelson-sb1em]

I so love all the Classics that so many channels are unloading. Beautiful movies too. Gracias everyone of you for these lovely movies. ❤ 🙏 "Isa"

[@VickieHines-oq3ym]

Please can we see the ending without the next video?..what's the hurry?

[@christiehessler9641]

I've never written a comment until now. This is a great movie, but I recommended watching it somewhere else. The ending is beautiful but they cut it off at the end.

[@42kellys]

Please, what is it? Is there anything more to it? I supposed he died as he said those last few words.

[@YT4Me57]

​@@42kellysHe did, but the scene was covered in movie previews.

[@42kellys]

@@YT4Me57 thank you

[@robinjarvis3883]

Not the full movie, the very end is chopped off. Why upload it like this?

[@bushkin2]

“ Peter Ibbetson” is the title. Enjoyed it!

[@eveyholmes]

Ida Lupino, also British, was a beauty in her youth. She didn't age well, maybe likely to drinking too much, especially when married to Howard Duff. Besides acting, she was a great director of film and television.

[@maximillianafrancine1451]

Wow...what a masterpiece.

[@lesawilkes5673]

what an enchanting love story, more like a fairy tale! Does anyone know who wrote this? I loved it, especially the dual dreaming sequence, lovely... Dickey Moore is adorable, Gary Cooper is skinny-er, and miss Ann is angelic.👍

[@ritawing1064]

It's based on a book by George du Maurier, Daphne du M's grandfather. His best-known character is Svengali, from "Trilby".

[@lynneperrigo7551]

GC is SO skinny in this!

[@nicolettapasquini6614]

Romantico bellissimo ❤️ che avevo visto TV privata mi è sempre 💓 piaciuto

[@Jimidings]

cool, lucid dreaming together!

[@elizabethbrown8833]

Beautiful movie . Deep 🌌💙🥀🙏

[@GarrettDavis-nu3ti]

Great Movie for Valentine's Month. ( Yea, ya got Rainbow Month, I got Valentine's Month)

[@voyaristika5673]

Thank you. A true pleasure to watch. It should have been sad but it wasn't, it was uplifting. Well done.

[@carriVT]

Wow, a movie about astral projection and lucid dreaming in the 30s.

[@walterroberts2861]

The Breeding Of The Young Kids; And The Horses With The Carriage Attached To Them; Are Exquisite; For, They Make A Statement About The Film;🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌

[@shernandez2276]

Wonderful movie. Thanks for sharing.

[@Pieps.22]

Das war der merkwürdigste Schuss den ich je in der Filmgeschichte gesehen habe. Der hat sich quasi selbst erschossen. In welchem Winkel konnte das passieren ???

[@cathyeller5722]

My husband would love this sentimental movie.

[@mcpheejesus5945]

Good movie that reminds me of the best romance movie ever made, in my opinion...Wuthering Heights (1939). However, the ending in this movie (1935) was pretty cheesy and his conviction made no sense because it really was self-defense; the wife was a witness to that fact. Thanks for the upload, nonetheless. I'd never seen this movie before & enjoyed it.

[@pmg0524]

I so want to love this movie, as I do with all Gary Cooper movies. But the last half turns so stupid I just can't finish it. This is my 3rd attempt to find some sense in the ending of what could have been my favorite movie. 😢

[@loge10]

Actually, Cooper felt he was miscast in this - and I agree. I also find the last third of the movie a bit over the top. I actually like the first part with the kids best - deeply connected yet always getting on each other case, but there for each other.

[@pmg0524]

@@loge10 agreed.

[@42kellys]

We are all different in our tastes. So, you do not love it. It happens. Watch another film with him. I loved it with all my heart and did not find it stupid.

[@TheSuperHarrygeorge]

Nice little film. Thanks for sharing .

[@dianamarie1652]

Such a sweet movie!

[@mackethridge7798]

One day, the magnificent Truth of the beautiful film will be known and experienced by all. Life is not a futile thing to be briefly endured and then have extinguished. Oh! No! Here, though we fancy ourselves alive, we but dwell in the realm of death. There, we will dwell in the Realm of true Life, wondrous Light, and enchanted Love, forevermore! As voiced within this heavenly Message, and mystical encouragement to our souls, "The strangest things are True!, And the Truest things are strange!" -- But, glorious beyond our WILDEST imaginings! Remember! And Godspeed, dear hearts! A Voice from Above.

[@helenmartinez8018]

ONLY if we accept Jesus, otherwise we don't get into heaven

[@raycoyle-qx3tu]

you said a mouth-full there ,buddy. spot-on.

[@VictorMartinez-mp2ml]

I was opening up YT and this wonderful picture appeared.

[@evetko]

Man, now wouldn't that be a great concept to share dreams with someone (by choice) while sleeping ... The question then would be who would I want to share my dreams with.

[@E-Kat]

I have shared my dream with my daughter! We were both flying whilst holding hands. There were many things which had happened during this dream and we kept finishing each other's sentences when describing the dream! This had happened ten years ago but I still remember the whole dream. 😊

[@katiebiega8070]

The title is Peter Ibbetson Love Gary Cooper...I might watch this one but I think I've seen it and it wasn't well done. I'll definitely give it a whirl soon. Gush Gary Cooper 😍

[@peaceandjoy2568]

I find the story line clunky. I loved the beginning and up until Peter and Mary met at her great country home. But the part where they both went out of their bodies and met in some garden was a stretch. What was that all about? It ruined the story. Why could they not just have fast forwarded the film to when they both died and met in Heaven, having been sincere Christians, where "there will be no more sorrow, no more pain and no more separation." That would have made the story more realistic. In any case, I loved the romantic Victorian settings. Thank you.

[@angelaknight7184]

Just a lovely film

[@judyderieux8484]

Wow....I loved this movie...Thank-you💝

[@FemiNelson-sb1em]

What a beautiful ending....😊❤ Isa

[@georgestilin3725]

❤❤❤ Ce film d'une puissance lyrique & émotionnelle est le film préféré..............des surréalistes !

[@danieladibenedetto6003]

Masterpiece!

[@maryowen1722]

All these legends so young!!! ❤

[@kayp5299]

Truely beautiful movie Thank you for sharing

[@dogsbestfriend8988]

Fantastic

[@yomama8873]

Great movie. Subscribed 🤩🤩🤩💖💖

[@Believe30]

Great movie! Thanks!

[@artroraback8663]

Thanks for sharing!

[@tropicalrhythmshawaiian6172]

Negativity…And yet several movies follow the same premise: On Body and Soul (2017) When slaughterhouse workers Endre and Mária discover they share the same dreams, where they meet in a forest as deer and fall in love, they decide to make their dreams come true, but it's difficult in real life. In My Dreams (2014) Natalie and Nick are frustrated with their luck in romance. After tossing coins into a fountain, the two then begin dreaming about each other and stars Katharine McPhee, Mike Vogel

[@Sunny25611]

Thank you!

[@colabama]

@@Sunny25611 Yes, truly thank you!

[@YT4Me57]

WARNING! ⚠️The editing thoroughly ruined this beautiful story. 😡 Find this movie on another channel!

[@jjtt7408]

WELL AT LEAST SOME ONE ELSE UNDERSTANDS IT / RUING A ENDING OF A GREAT MOVIE

[@jrc630]

Should make a remake of this movie 😅😅😅

[@pisluck]

Film coupé au début, coupé à la fin et bourré de publicités... Expérience gâchée par tout ça.

[@kromo1285]

That a sad movie

[@dinomite078]

Love it 😊

[@JanetCaterina]

This is the only movie I have seen in which I like Ann Harding. The role seems to being out the best in her. Nonetheless, it is a dreary movie, and the wonderful Gary Cooper is wasted in it.

[@valerief1231]

Really? You cover the screen at the very end trying to get me to watch another movie and then it cuts off??? I’m so frustrated right now. What a waste of time!

[@lauraw9657]

It didn't cut off, that was the end. Peter died!

[@ritax8411]

Beautiful

[@laurawildman1259]

Well, half of it was good. Too sappy toward the end.

[@aproverbshome173]

I agree. lol!!!

[@loge10]

I have to agree as well. In fact, my favorite part was the first part with them as kids...

[@rebopdeluxe9463]

Spoiled by constant advertisements 👎

[@jjtt7408]

DID YOU SEE THE ROACH RUN ACROSS THE ARM OF THE LADY'S CHAIR (35;55)

[@slomo1716]

OMG- I rarely miss things like this, but OMG you are RIGHT!!!!

[@SeeNoEvil777]

Explains Gary's surprised humorous look and where he's looking 🪳 lol

[@sandraelder1101]

Odd that grown up GoGo has an American accent.

[@gp5637]

Very odd. Guess they wanted Gary Cooper.

[@zuzanacunatova8402]

Too sad

[@harrynixon1984]

I'm in, 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@monicashababy5487]

Ann Harding sounds just like Norma Shearer.

[@therealgodessisis]

Oh dear the accents.

[@allisondickey3909]

I pray that all who read these comments, will listen to the True words of the Gospel. This film is fantasy, not the Truth of everlasting life. If you die without Christ, you WILL NOT go to a beautiful, ever after. Do you want to live in the only guaranteed Heaven? Then, believe on Jesus, the Christ. He came to Earth, the Only begotten Son of God. He was crucified, on the cross, according to all that is written in The Word, and according to all that was spoken, by the prophets. He DIED and was buried. He rose on the 3rd day and is seated at the right hand of the Father. If you believe it, in your heart and profess it with your mouth, your sins will be forgiven and you WILL have TRUE and everlasting life. Please, listen. Without Jesus, you will not be received in Heaven

[@sungeigerong1]

Please, this is not true. You were taught this, but it is very wrong to say that only people who believe in Jesus go to heaven.

[@joyceobeys6818]

We are to repent off sin and restore and make amends biblically with one another. The lawless will be rejected. Sin is transgression of His law. The unrepented disobedient unbelieving will not inherit the Kingdom of heaven. Praise our MESSIAH YaHSHuWaH....in Hebrew means Salvation ....and the word He raw means to be crossed over from death unto life. 1 John 2 His Holy days of Lev 23 are His Plan of Salvation and Marriage Covenant to His Bride. May we all become Israel through the grafting in, He has only one flock. Shalom shalom(completeness, perfectness and wholeness) who’s circumcised hearts and minds are continuously on YHWH. ❤ 🙏🏼🕊🤍🙏🏼🤍🕊🙏🏼

[@joyceobeys6818]

@@sungeigerong1 If you know this as a fact then answer these questions. Please answer these questions: “Then יהוה (YHWH) answered Who is this who darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Now gird up your loins like a man, and I ask you, and you answer Me. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy? Or who enclosed the sea with doors, when it burst forth and came from the womb; when I made the clouds its garment, and thick darkness its swaddling band; and assigned for it My law, and set bars and doors; and said, ‘This far you have come, but no farther, and here your proud waves stop?’ Have you ever commanded the morning, and caused the dawn to know its place, to take hold of the ends of the earth, and the wrong be shaken out of it? It is changed like clay under a seal, and they stand out like a garment. And their light is withheld from the wrong, and the arm lifted up is broken. Have you come to the sources of the sea? Or have you walked about in the recesses of the deep? Were the gates of death revealed to you? Or have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? Have you understood the breadth of the earth? Declare, if you know it all. Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, that you should take it to its boundary, and know the paths to its home? Do you know? For you would have been born then, and the number of your days been many! Have you entered into the storehouses of snow, or have you seen the storehouses of hail, which I have kept for the time of distress, for the day of fighting and battle? Where is the way that light is divided, or the east wind scattered over the earth? Who has cleft a channel for the overflowing water, or a way for the thunderclaps, to make rain fall on land where no one is, a wilderness in which there is no man; to satisfy the wild and waste places, and to make the seeds of grass to sprout? Does the rain have a father? Or who has brought forth the drops of dew? From whose belly comes the ice? And who gave birth to the frost of the heavens? The waters harden like stone, and the surface of the deep is frozen. Do you bind the bands of Kimah, or loosen the cords of Kesil? Do you bring out the constellations in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons? Do you know the laws of the heavens? Or do you set their rule over the earth? Do you lift up your voice to the clouds, so that floods of water cover you? Do you send out lightnings, and they go and say to you, ‘Here we are!’? Who has put wisdom in the inward parts? Or who has given understanding to the heart? Who has wisdom to count the clouds, or to tip over the bottles of the heavens, when the dust hardens in clumps, and the clods cling together? Do you hunt the prey for the lion, or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, when they crouch in dens, sit in the cover of their hiding place? Who provides food for the raven, when its young ones cry to Ěl, and wander about without food?” ‭‭Iyoḇ (Job)‬ ‭38:1-41‬ ‭ And etc….. ❤We must repent and walk straight n righteous through our MESSIAH. Fear is the beginning of His knowledge.

[@ChantePierce-kp3uf]

God is ALL there is. Includes All and Loves All. Man's doctrines of SEPARATION are not the TRUTH.@@sungeigerong1

[@ChantePierce-kp3uf]

GOD IS ALL THERE IS. @@joyceobeys6818

[@Sunny25611]

If only..💔

[@bigd4746]

I don’t like Gary with a mustache. I never really liked Ann Harding as an actress. Even though she was young, she always looked old. Even so , I enjoyed the movie.

[@pmg0524]

This is the only time I've seen him in a moustache. I thought it made his eyes stand out more...& even more beautiful if that's even possible! 🥰

[@bigd4746]

@@pmg0524 he did have beautiful eyes!!

[@pmg0524]

I agree about Ann Harding, she looked old in her parts and wasn't a great actress imo @@bigd4746

[@eveyholmes]

Exactly, Ann with that pull back hair and bun in 95 % of her films, always looked old. She was pretty, but no energy in her acting.

[@joysmith1213]

I thought him rather handsome, especially with those sideburns. His voice was even better in this movie.

[@xle4087]

Good up to the point where Peter is imprisoned. All down hill from there. Too sappy.

[@alvaropelayo8084]

No credits!!!

[@lynneperrigo7551]

I know! Takes a bit away from the experience to have it cut off before "The End."

[@johnrawlins6147]

What's the film called

[@garymurphy4165]

Peter Ibbetson

[@rosalindamartinez9634]

A CASTLE IN THE SKY, THAT'S WHERE LOVERS DREAMS ARE MADE OF! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 OMy JESUS , FORGIVE OUR SINS. SAVE US FROM THE FIRES OF HELL. LEAD ALL SOULS TO HEAVEN! ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED OF YOUR MERCY! AMEN.

[@gregphillips24]

What is the name of this film

[@margaritaortiz4323]

Peter Ibbetson 1935

[@marthalobos6373]

Peter Ibbetson

[@aproverbshome173]

When we die we best be saved so we can all go to heaven, Corny endng.

[@marisamartin3664]

But true theology

[@cynthiajones4332]

Are you afraid to die? Be ready. God so loved the world that He gave His only Son (Jesus Christ) that whoever believes in Him will not die but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Receive Christ and believe before it is too late.

[@allisondickey3909]

Amen

[@allisondickey3909]

Unfortunately, too many of those who watched the movie, have not accepted Christ. I pray, dear Father God, you give them clear eyes, to see the folly of this world's deceptions. Jesus, allow them to hear your Truth, before it it too late. Give them a heart to accept YOUR everlasting life, not fantasies. In You Holy Name, Jesus, Amen

[@wordsculpt]

​@@allisondickey3909We pray that you will Shut Up.

[@smiley9872]

@@wordsculpt😂😂😂🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@cindymiller6843]

What a weird movie...

[@tlties]

It's the "waking dream state". It's how you grow your unperceived self for eternity.

[@sixwingsram]

Didn't like this one, it lacked substance even as fantasy, it wasn't satisfying

[@nikkipage9132]

I don't understand why she didn't use her fortune to get him acquitted for self-defense. Silly movie.

[@TeresaE116]

@nikkipage9132 • I liked the movie at first but, after you said that, I have to agree with you. She should have used her fortune to fight for his acquittal. But, I suppose the original author of the book, George du Marier didn’t like that realistic sort of thing.

[@42kellys]

If she could not get his acquittal the first time, why do you suppose that money would have made the difference? And in the olden times there was no such thing as to start again the same case in which a valid verdict was passed upon, even if it were the wrong one,

[@allisondickey3909]

This movie, to me, is one of the worst, sappy, picture, I have ever seen. Whatever were the directors and producers thinking of? A movie to rival Wuthering Heights? I am glad to say, I will NEVER watch it again. I hope the roles were not to painful for Anne Harding and Gary Cooper to play. It was painful to watch. I am truly, glad others have enjoyed watching it.

[@joysmith1213]

Wow, it’s fantasy. Good to have in these dark days. And they do spend years and years, eternity together. Did you ever watch What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams? My husband has promised he’d rather follow me to hell than live eternity without me. Of course, I’m assured I won’t be going there. Heaven will be a restful and peaceful place with love abundant.

[@tlties]

You've not lived your life Alison Dicky. Wake up & live!

[@getreal1052]

Started well....after that the Director didn't know what to do with the film... useless film

[@brendabrown7130]

This movie is lame and undeserving of the talent of Gary Cooper.

[@tlties]

Poor Brenda brown who's never desired anything deeply as to know what's possible.

[@rosalindamartinez9634]

IT IS A GREAT MOVIE FOR ME IT TAKES ME BACK, TO MY CHILDHOOD. WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS! THAT OUR CHLDHOOD COMES WITH THE GOOD AND THE NOT SO GOOD OF TIMES!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@lynneperrigo7551]

I watched this today to celebrate Virginia Weidler's birthday. Happy Birthday, Ginny! @howie14w (aka ginny fan)