Peter Joseph on "The New Human Rights Movement" w/David Pakman

[@pixelhero2607]

How the hell can this brilliant man avoid to be taken be serious by EVERYBODY. This guy is probably one of the most important thinkers of our time and it's sad to see how he is not given the credit he deserves.

[@frenilzaveri6000]

Vast majority of the people are dumb, stupid, self centered animals. Their world view is rooted in self interest, greed and materialism and just cant see anything rational past that. Then you have the media and the education system that does the job of constant reinforcement of these toxic values and moreover we have 'success' tied to money only, thus we have an anti-economy

[@curtseed11]

One of the things that I think hurt Pete & TZM was Roxanne and Jacques talking about how we should listen to a filmmaker talking about an RBE since Pete isn't an engineer or scientist. That Riff immediately after Moving Forward I think took alot of steam out of TZM's momentum. Might have made TVP a little jealous but you have to expect that when even Roxanne & Jacques are also products of the systems they protest, ironically still use the same underhanded tactics to keep their dominance of the power they value and scared to lose.

[@thecompassionateworld1582]

Capitalism dictates our human behavior. It's a competitive structure that causes humans to fight over money. Bankers win and become extremely wealthy, and as they win more move into poverty and may become a criminal to fight for money. Or choose to live in a tent and find scraps to eat because they do not like to harm others. Technology and automation can eliminate poverty by using advancements correctly. Eventually, it would eliminate money. This would also change human behavior. Example: How does a human stick a gun in your back to rob you of money? He can't, money has been eliminated from the environment so the human behavior disappears too. If automation is supplying food and housing for the masses at abundant levels that Earth can handle due to properly managed resources, there is no reason to fight over anything. Human behavior completely changes. And we stop living stupid systems.

[@TheAnriii]

KZbinr named Isaac Arthur has detailed video about possible post-scarcity world, if you are interested. One huge challange for it would be population growth. If you have a closed system with roughly the same amount of individuals or small growth, then obviously advances in technology will keep improving the way they live. But if the population grows quickly, then the same resources need to be distributed between more and more individuals, moving post-scarcity system back into one with scarcity... Of course, people who understand how the system affects them and the others will hopefully realise it is unethical and counter productive to have more than certain amount of kids. But with majority of the world still poorly educated, I have no idea how many generations are still needed for it to be understood by everyone. Meanwhile, the rate of climate change, resource consumption increase and technological unemployment show that we have less that 100 years to make some major changes. Got to hope for the best I guess.

[@thecompassionateworld1582]

Good points Anriii. Much of population growth is in third world countries. They have 6 kids so that maybe 3/4 will survive. Managing resources properly with automation where food and housing are plentiful, they will not need to have 6 kids so that some survive. Plus, it would bring systems of healthcare to help manage a family unit. Also, American values are changing. My daughter is 26 and has no interest in ever having a child. Just like many of her friends.

[@daniel4647]

This is very true, also because prosperous societies have no need to have children as a safety net for when they get older. In poorer countries children are often seen as something they need to survive, one more to provide income for the family. Having children is more a novelty in western societies these days, and most people would rather not have more than they know they could take care of, and lots of people aren't even going to want to have kids as there is loads of other stuff to do.

[@brandonbakhtiar7451]

Thank you for hosting Peter! He is making points about societal organization that are YEARS ahead of present thinking. Thank you Peter! PS Peter featured some George Carlin who, tho more cynically, made similar less erudite points about societal organization.

[@brandonbakhtiar7451]

Alexandre Gareau But let's see if Peter isn't just as angry by the time he reaches Carlin's age! Shit I for one would be WAY past grumpy.

[@TheAnriii]

I am getting grumpy and am not even 30 yet, been following TZM and TVP for almost 10 years. Not sure how it is exactly in USA at the moment, but in my country people are just too busy working 2 jobs or more to even consider something different is possible. It is not that they are not smart, we all are, it is just that their mind and energy is being wasted into fight for basic survival. Even if I try to spread message about RBE, it rarely sticks. Whats worse, as one of the post USSR states, everyone, or at least their parents, experienced the failures of communism, so they do not want to hear about any system even slightly similar to it.

[@brandonbakhtiar7451]

TheAnriii​​ Wow that's crazy. I live in San Francisco, USA and it is EXACTLY the same. People too busy working just to survive or focused on making loads of $$ at their tech jobs to understand RBE. That and like you said, people especially of the older generations have hang ups about anything they consider "communist" even tho Peter in the 2nd hour of Moving Forward anticipates & addresses those knee jerk reactions. Sadly I think it won't be until the next bond crisis or currency crisis or debt crisis (whatever one they call it) happens that people start to really care and think and SHOW (again like Peter showed at the end of Moving Forward) rejection of money and non science based political systems.

[@lifecraft1201]

The change of system is a huge undertaking that can take years to transition to, as my humanities professor used to say: "If you're neck deep in shit you don't start smelling roses right away". Just like the current system has installed many "software" of beliefs and values into people's "operating system" (the minds), individuals need to take a gradual, patient approach of uninstalling those software (materialism, competition, toxic ego) and installing new ones (compassion, love, connection, symbiotic relationship with other beings and the planet). I think the best approach is for people to start working on themselves and Leo of actualized.org is one of the greatest teachers out there, because he is able to deliver the messages without boring you to death.

[@Tullece]

Exactly, the old adage "Rome wasn't built in a day" applies here. Everything that goes up must inevitably come down, this system has passed it's expiry date. For those with a little more patience I would suggest Eckhart Tölle, who teaches presence and awareness and coming to one's senses amongst other helpful things. Most individuals are so understandably lost in chasing money and material possessions for the sake of elevating one's status over others in this unnecessary rat race we are lead to believe is necessary for survival. It will take time but all great works begin with the first step. Once we're a little more organised than I believe nothing will stop us for it is "our time" so to speak. Deception and dishonesty may run sprints but the truth runs marathons. Also deception fundamentally requires more effort to maintain whereas truthfulness exists as itself and requires less effort to speak. Also deception has a limited lifespan whereas truth always exists regardless of time. Truthfulness lies beyond the temporal realm.

[@maxfieldstanton5411]

I can't believe David Pakman would interview someone from TZM. His content is usually fairly centrist. Very surprising to me... Can't wait for PJ's 14-hour audiobook rendition of this work though. Also this video did not appear in my subscriptions feed for some reason.

[@drbettinawolff5843]

Hello Peter! Congratulation on your book and ... Greetings from the Artivist Colllective. Hugs, Bettina

[@dynamicpurpose]

Buckminster fuller talked about this decades ago in his book,"critical path". In it he said that technology and design would wipe away all wars over resources and poverty as well as the need to work 40 hour work weeks.

[@MrIzzyDizzy]

we have to thank jaque fresco who passed away recently. but even though jaque didnt accept it. peter joseph carries the torch now for the rbe and for the approriately labeled " new human rights mvement." and even though hes no inventor or detailded city planner ( not that fresco was only those things). his overall social understanding and eloquence exceed jaques. im glad to see him a little more often again. he always gives me hope. even though hes not overtly optimisitic . i am heartened that there is a far better social economic system growing in the minds of more and more people.

[@GlenMcNiel]

14:47 Brilliant answer on ending poverty. Peter at his best here.

[@bobablaw1298]

Glen McNiel In ten years from now, we’ll regard welfare as a barbaric evil.

[@TheAtheistPriest]

I sincerely believe that if Peter Joseph had lived in Israel 2000 years ago, he'd have been seen as a prophet.

[@brandonbakhtiar7451]

The Humanist Perspective Seriously the guy is advocating ideas, well really using science to run an economy shouldn't be THAT radical, that are too far ahead of most of today's Idiocracy.

[@bobablaw1298]

Whether it’s then or now, Peter Joseph needs the platform. No, not just a platform; he is another God image, just like Trump is currently.

[@dopeeman5264]

For those unaware Jacque Fresco has passed away

[@bdmenne]

Dopee Man how long ago

[@MC-ig3ci]

+Bryan M -- It was just last month... I believe Jacque was 101.

[@Cara.314]

Jacque Fresco, you have been, and will always be, a hero to humanity! I will remember you and tell your story until the day I die. Rest in peace, my dear friend.

[@dopeeman5264]

cara diann 100% agree

[@iamLI3]

may kek rest his soul...

[@aristefansson1589]

I´m way too tired and exhausted to engage in anything but advocating a Natural-Law Resource-Based Economy. I don´t have anymore personal motivation for anything else.

[@coolioso808]

I see no problem in saving any motivation for advocating for the NLRBE. The way I see it, is that we will move towards this sort of system eventually in our world, it's just a matter of how much suffering we (humans, and the poor helpless nature) want to endure before we make major changes. That's the mindset I have about it. I mean, it really seems so logical, it's a amazing more people don't see it. You can't have infinite growth in a finite system. Keep advocating for that NLRBE, it's the most logical way to global sustainability. I think planting the seeds in people's minds can even be useful. It's hard, and it's definitely not easy in mixed company. But just planting the seeds of doubt about our system. Asking open-ended questions to people like: What about communities building vertical farms to produce a lot of the food needed for the region locally and year round? What about Universal Basic Income that could free people from boring, monotonous, stressful work and working multiple jobs so they can spend more time raising their families or with friends? What about a local tool-sharing library? Just stuff like that. I still guess most people will brush it off quickly with a 'it's too expensive or useless' remark, but at least the question was posed. Anyways, I'm rambling a bit, but my main point was - keep up with the motivation on that! The more of us on that train of thought the better.

[@driddy1]

Great interview 👌

[@cotycoty6022]

Permaculture!!! Thanks for everything you do Peter.

[@alexwolfe9895]

absolutely, we can grow all the food we need, including tropicals, locally. we could also retrofit our existing cars with electric engines, -instant solutions, but we first have to confront the M.I.C. which runs on oil, and isn't about to retrofit, people need to understand that wars are created for profit, peace is never the goal.

[@ss00mm11]

solid interview

[@i.kaminskiy7563]

thank you both

[@fibanacci8]

Excellent!

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

and we're getting Interreflections... when?

[@Valandor_Celestial_Warlock]

Right?

[@Cara.314]

Give it time. it'll still be done before HL3 ;)

[@carlanderson8799]

I just want to point out one thing that I think is important here about the release of Interreflection: Ask youself this; is Interreflection, mostly, for You or "for others"? (= many millions of people around the world!) What I mean is this: If Peter would release it now, maybe this week/month (assuming it was ready now) would it benefit us all to a maximum now? Would the majority/masses of people find it here on KZbin? Would "the masses" even care to watch it? I don't think so. Would you and I watch it? Of course we would! - but what difference would it have on the society and the economy? So, my point is really this: Maybe Interreflection should be released "at the right movement" to get maximum impact instead of just getting released "as fast as possible"? Or I'm I wrong here? :)

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

+Bored Bear True... but we've had trailers with different dates since 2014 when ot was originally called BEYOND THE PALE :-( Canada is trial UBI? :-D I didnt know that. Sweet. It's going to be tried in an area of Scotland called Fife too :-) #UBIisTheAnswer

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

Well I'm jealous :-)

[@BroversXproductions]

We need an RBE now!

[@VolcanicPenguin]

Great talk

[@DocumentaryDoc]

Can someone please create a school or classes on RBE ideas. youtube is great, but it's even better in person. I'm more focused on farming. Once I start seeing skyscraper farms pop up I might switch to teaching.

[@GlenMcNiel]

6:49 The first step is absolutely NOT to defend communism in any way. We have to meet people where they are at first, acknowledge that they believe there are only two alternatives. Acknowledge their concerns. THEN ask if they would be open to exploring a Third Alternative. For example, the train of thought Peter Joseph proposes in his book(s).

[@GlenMcNiel]

7:46 Now Peter is on track in response to David's question.

[@i.kaminskiy7563]

great guy David

[@joepeeer4830]

awesome

[@djimpacto]

Hello World

[@Tullece]

Hello Guillermo! ✌🏼😗

[@theunholinesswithin70]

At this point, I think we need to encourage people to modify capitalism, as an effort to ween them off money. Money really is just a drug to people, or a god I guess, and capitalism is an economic religion.

[@wombozombo]

I believe in Peter Joseph.

[@GlenMcNiel]

24 minutes is too short. I'd like to see these two really dive into the conversation for 2 or 3 hours. David is very smart, asks great questions, and the whole topic would benefit from them engaging in a conversation rather than an interview.

[@brianhirschberger421]

Revolution Now! Podcast if you haven't already seen it.

[@lifecraft1201]

How do we start disassembling the current system? It starts with individuals waking up to the Truth. We are in the middle of a paradigm shift, moving from survival to creation paradigm and the consciousness is evolving at a rate never seen before thanks to technology letting us share information like never before. I don't think you can change the system within the current paradigm, this is the missing component of the zeitgeist movement, people need to experience the paradigm of creation and work to integrate what they learn into their everyday lives using real self development like - meditation, contemplation, reading, spending a lot of time in nature, and unplugging from TV, social media, video games, mainstream education and plethora of other distractions and programming keeping your mind asleep.

[@suedaneem1128]

ONE Hello there, sorry if some things do not make sense, English is not my native language and I am only a student. ✌😊 I believe what we need to do now is come together and create think tanks both online and in person. Online for an international chapter and in person for local chapters. It's time to stop relying on a single (incredible and inspirational) individual to do all the hardwork and instead we should ALL take responsibility for this planet is as much my home as it is yours or Peters. We need to brainstorm drawing upon all the different talents, abilities and backgrounds of us Zeitgeisters (holding out for a better nickname for our group) and simply start communicating with one another. If you want an effective think tank we should have the members sorted into seperate categories in which their talents and abilities are met with others who possess similar abilities. We need to discuss the greatest obstacles that us ZGers are currently facing in regards to enlightening and informing the general public. We should discuss effective ways in producing momentum and interest both online and in the "real" world drawing upon experience and understanding of both young and old in order to help understand and formulate effective strategies to help create awareness for our movement in online and real contexts. We need to start acting as a single entity with a shared goal of freedom from this oppressive system in order to move most effectively, after all that is what we are up against, corporate think tanks and "invisible hand" think tanks that are devoid of conscience. We need to understand that art and music are incredibly effective in creating awareness and momentum and utilise it creating a creative arm of the think tank that deals with creative methods of drumming up awareness and understanding of the oppressive system we are born into. After all as an African saying I heard once goes, you can't have "movement" without rhythm. We need other arms that deal with other things that can help our movement such as event coordinators to perhaps have more scheduled events both internationally and locally instead of an annual meetup. We need people who are great with PR and people who can help coerce and enlist financial benefactors in order to help fund our cause. We need people on the streets in our respective communities organising get togethers and provide food and drink and all funds go towards helping our cause while we spread awareness and information. We need overseers and strategists to help manage and steer the think tank and it's seperate components in the right direction perhaps also having head members of each component communicating with these executives and help increase efficiency between all components of the greater think tank. We need open forums so individual members can make suggestions or perhaps comment on certain inner machinations in order to help increase efficiency. That's all I can think of at the moment my brain is a little scattered today. I think the first thing we need to do now is start establishing these think tanks so that we can get to group brainstorming on an international and national level and a forum so we can keep track of suggestions and ideas that we could potentially implement in future Time to organise and galvanise the general public and build up that momentum that will reach a critical mass and we shall watch our reality unfurl before our eyes as we being to head in the right direction. I believe this is already destined to happen as what goes up must inevitably come down and so it is simply a matter of stepping into our specific roles and taking our action. Peace 🌍💙☮

[@lifecraft1201]

Hello Sue, Thank you for your very insightful response, you have hit on many topics that I have contemplated recently. I especially felt connected with your idea of "brainstorm drawing upon all the different talents, abilities and backgrounds" and "we need to understand that art and music are incredibly effective in creating awareness and momentum and utilize it creating a creative arm". I think we have all the information we need to transcend the current paradigm and start transitioning into a much better system, though what we lack is the most powerful delivery of information to other people who are asleep. This is something Peter Joseph has done brilliantly with his documentaries and is awakening many people around the world. I have recently discovered that underneath my own layers of social conditioning, there are great talents of delivering messages in a very powerful and passionate way, which is why I'm starting my own KZbin channel. I have personally moved from severe social anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts to a completely different person that I am now, thanks to a lot of self development work, especially mindfulness. This is why I feel like the power behind this revolution will come from individuals taking care of themselves first, awakening to the true state of reality, discovering their talents and using those talents and abilities to keep spreading the messages. We are in the middle of the greatest world war that humanity has ever experienced - The Great Information War, the battle of survival paradigm vs oneness/creation paradigm, and by the way yes there are countless body counts from this war - 100,000 dead Americans per year alone, thanks to the legally prescribed drugs every single year! (not including overdoses and other misuse). Anyhow, I'm not going to harp on the miseries of the current system anymore as I'm sure you and other zeitgeisters are already aware of them. I do agree that we need a more organized way of sharing our ideas and insights and pooling resources to create the most powerful messages possible to help others wake up. So far I'm finding it very difficult to find such individuals online or off, you're the first! I would love to stay in touch with you because I know you are coming from the same place as I am - Love, and that is the most powerful force that will change the world. My email is [e-mail] if you'd like to stay in touch.

[@jamesniemojewski5286]

people in prison eat better than the poor !! feed them !!!!

[@davidmireles9774]

Where this heck is PJ these days

[@jcrios1917]

16:30 oh gee he said "socialize".

[@TyDie85]

It's sad because people are so afraid of change...yet they dont know change is happening and always has been happening. Peter Joseph needs to become more popular amongst people. But maybe he isnt because, as I said, people are afraid

[@criticalthinker6736]

Many people are not necessarily afraid of change itself but are afraid of the social ostracization that would likely occur as a result of questioning the status quo. Which is why I hope we can all start conversations with as many people we know about how our current system is not working for the vast majority or the environment, and about alternative social systems like a resource based economy that is out there waiting to be tried if only enough people got on board.

[@curtseed11]

Pete and the Zeitguys for 10 years preaching the same ol song n dance of spreading awareness and talk, talk, talk, talk. The time for talking has been over. Pete could very well just be personally cashing in on this internet stardom wave but for the rest of us, anybody else "advocating" getti ng a cut of the action? Money talks right. We hate that we still depend on it for survival but there are creative ways to not only generate $ for ourselves and use that excess wealth to contribute to the cause. I get once Pete sells anything his credibility/integrity automatically is questioned and he becomes an instant charlatan socialists, etc... I'll tell you one thing though as soon as he becomes a billionaire, the masses will be groupies for his cause indifferent than Musk, Trump, Zukks, Besos, etc. etc. etc. And once he has those big pockets, he will be taken very seriously and if Pete truly cares about obliterating capitalism, he will get rid of all his wealth and spread it amongst an RBE, and everybody will open their eyes and start demanding other billionaires do the same. Next thing you know, you will be shamed for seeking monetary wealth.

[@yan_yuhtman]

P.J, don't underestimate that USSR social approach. After all, this country has won the greatest hot war agains capitalism and despite the putsch at 90's Russia remains one of the greatest countries owing its status and existence to the USSR heritage.

[@parityviolation968]

not helping... replacing one authority of history with its "antithetic" authority - and the history ignoring BS it brings along - is not gonna improve your understanding of what's wrong in our world.

[@humanrebel8145]

Nobody was poor in USSR,becouse they have basic stuff they need!! And they didn't have true communism,becouse fascist west didn't allow them.

[@dbradyf]

As an Economics student, I find this to be a survey of all economic disciplines. There are no real world answers to the problems that economic study seeks to solve, but a great many ways to look at the same problems. Poverty, social inequality, economic justice, wealth and power, technology and externalities are all factors that economists use to look at a social issue.Joseph takes an anti-capitalist stance because he focuses on the current prevailing system and points out the flaws without seeking its praises. That is his right and his duty as an American to challenge the status quo to seek better solutions to the age old problem of inequality amongst humans.

[@parityviolation968]

I'm assuming by "economics" you do not mean "business administration", thus seek to become an economist, right? If you value the scientific method as well as a career, you should quit... it's impossible! Even if you do the "Selten"-approach, that is starting out as a conformist and once you've got your nobel prize and reputation you try to meander into more interesting stuff than fantasy micky mouse models/frameworks, you'll still get shunned by the mainstream community (as opposed to simply being ignored, if you try to start your career as a non-conformist right away)... Even the so-called leftist economists (such as Krugman etc.) dont know jack shit about how economic processes and macroeconomics actually work. They peddle the same intellectual framework (neoclassical synthesis, ISLM and so forth) as the right-wingers and market-fundamentalists, only to give it a more "left-wing" spin and perspective, but just as detached from reality and in violation with elementary accounting identities and banking practices as neoclassicals and their slightly more accurate austrian fellows... Some (but not all) heterodox economists are actually interested in attempts to do a better job at describing real world economic processes and phenomana, but they are rare and if you try to stay in academia with your degree, doing scientific research that matters (to the ambition of modelling reality) boils down to (a) finding the few professors in the world that fit your needs, (b) free spots in their team for phd positions and (c) still accepting that you wont publish in A/B-ranked journals since orthodox (=mainstream) and heterodox economists are completely separate communities that publish in different journals and the latter kind certainly do not make it into the higher-ranked ones, no matter how much they advanced their mathematical skills. Not trying to be discouraging here, but certainly realistic ;-) Unless you are a delusional ivory-tower maniac detached from reality, there will be a compromise between intellectual integrity and a career, that's a promise...

[@resist.]

Petes a top top dude

[@curtseed11]

How would Pete do in those debates? My experience watching those unentertaining train wrecks would demonstrate how much of a loser Pete would appear not sparring with those other loudmouths and the media coverage afterwards explaing how Pete was just speechless and he was overwhelmed' blah blah blah. Pet has continuously allowed others to talk over him. He is also not a wealthy man, therefore he's not successful enough to lead our country into being more successful than President Donald J. Trump....did you know Presudent Trump was on that reality show The Apprentice?!!!!!

[@curtseed11]

Sorry wrong section.

[@jamesniemojewski5286]

Spam lasts a long time and other can food does does feed people !!!!!!!!!!!

[@bobablaw1298]

James Niemojewski beans & rice has a helluva lengthy shelf-life.

[@HABLA_GUIRRRI]

--structural violence-- a clever fancy sounding term to describe the earth gong around the sun. More v i c t i m s, that's what we need yay! btw this chap has his breast pocket sewn up like a FGM .. is that some kind of tacit solidarity with those kind of victims he's not talking about? Doesn't do anything for the suit after all ..

[@CitizenWarwick]

isms and schisms, it would be misinformed if you see only two sides, capitalism and communism, I am sure both have a governing body right? I guess people have been conditioned to believe that sharing == communism which is very strange assumption, possibly loaded assumption!

[@jamesniemojewski5286]

Some people just want Food not Money Help them !!!!!!!!!!

[@yan_yuhtman]

Call it whatever you want as long it will give an equal social rights and opportunities. I think Marx would agree with me on this.

[@emmanuelponce8352]

get together,and talk over life insurance policies and contemporary economics.

[@thedebateroom]

Please do an interview with Cenk on TYT :)

[@maxfieldstanton5411]

He already did back in 2013. TYT took it about as well as you'd expect of them.

[@consandpiracytheorums1563]

it sucks living in the worst life ever lived. the most painfilled slow death of all time for being actually helpful to society

[@petitio_principii]

Broadly speaking poverty would be a "passive" externality of the market economy, meaning it doesn't cause it. Rather, remaining poverty is owed to historical factors that led to several regions not being able to establish efficient markets. A more active "externality" in this regard would be states' enacted economic policies that fail to exploit the full potential of the market economy, which includes wealth redistribution. Arguably there's no false dichotomy between capitalism and communism, with communism being what he is also proposing, even if in a veiled and obscured way. Key tenets of market economies are that supply and demand drive the allocation of resources, using capital as a "signaling" system. If we are to abolish this, to allocate resources in some sort of planned manner, using other parameters or tools than supply/demand and capital, then it's hard to argue that this is not communism; if capital, supply/demand are not abolished, but complemented, with things like basic income or perhaps "job guarantee", then it's still evil capitalism. Markets are not inherently competitive in a "every man for himself" way, but rather fundamentally collaborative. Almost everything you have is produced by multiple entities in different localities, even throughout the world, leading to the "golden arches theory of peace". Competition that exists is in trying to provide the best offers to the people, to better serve them. "You couldn't possible come up with a more wateful, inneficient system that what you have today" - only in terms of a malthusian scarcity paradigm, ironically. If we're speaking of living standards, then it's a completely different thing. Even though resource limitation is really something to be taken into consideration, contrary to "anti-malthusians".

[@cascavelyt7921]

Good

[@wombozombo]

😮

[@gilbertmiranda1393]

Caustic deadly phenomenon... can anyone say Mao

[@jamesniemojewski5286]

NO MORE INTEREST YOU GOT YOUR MONEY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@chrisgroch1]

Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty. So naturally you'd expect the poverty that remains to be the fault of capitalism.

[@curtseed11]

Well if you think capitalists have brought more people out from poverty, did not those same capitalists become more wealthy in return? And if they got out of poverty did they become board members too or did they stay well below the ruling class? Makes me think of capitalists taking slaves from Africa and giving them.better slave conditions. Makes a lot of sense. How about mentoring the impoverished/serfs/slaves to eventually become owners of the same corporations instead of bullshit management of their own.

[@Valandor_Celestial_Warlock]

It has occurred to me that the only way we (TZM) are going to be able to affect the change necessary to create a post-scarcity NLRBE would be to elect someone like PJ president, at which time he would be able to enact laws that would institute such things as vertical farms to grow food locally, desalination plants to provide potable water to everyone, mass produce autonomous vehicles, get rid of fossil fuels, provide housing, clothing, healthcare, and everything else we need at no cost, etc., etc., etc. Then, his last act as president would be to dismantle the state and make all things political/military/monetary obsolete, closing the loop and finally getting rid of the infinite-growth capitalist paradigm forever. Therefore, I say #PeterJosephforPresident2020 Ah, the irony! It's so crazy it just might work!

[@bagiee1]

Its not crazy..its very logical what youre saying here, (and youre not the only one who has thought of it)...but the thing is that we will never see someone like PJ promoted by the media, so most of the world will have no clue that such a man exists, with the result that keeps him on the outside. The only way this world will progress is when the masses get more aware about wanting a better world, so guys like PJ will emerge naturally among them, and get their support, solidifying the road for where we need to go, and how.

[@Valandor_Celestial_Warlock]

We can't afford to rely on the MSM to do anything other than subvert and obfuscate. We must be our own media. We must do the hard work ourselves. At this point, we have nowhere to go but upward and onward. I'm about to tweet this hashtag on PJ's feed. We'll see what happens! #PeterJosephforPresident2020

[@curtseed11]

How would Pete do in those debates? My experience watching those unentertaining train wrecks would demonstrate how much of a loser Pete would appear not sparring with those other loudmouths and the media coverage afterwards explaing how Pete was just speechless and he was overwhelmed' blah blah blah. Pet has continuously allowed others to talk over him. He is also not a wealthy man, therefore he's not successful enough to lead our country into being more successful than President Donald J. Trump....did you know Presudent Trump was on that reality show The Apprentice?!!!!!

[@Owl350]

Peter Joseph for President !!! EAT THE RICH !!!

[@PunkSolar22x]

I like Peter and I Support the movement but Peter is starting to piss me off. He never mentions Jacque Fresco the man who put him on this path and who has now passed away Jacque spent his whole life creating the Concept for a RBE.

[@indieman5711]

That's petty. Also Peter has talked about being influenced by R. Buckminster Fuller long before Fresco. Should he talk about Fuller as well? Keep in mind Joseph was the one who brought Fresco into the limelight. No Joseph (who was 100 times more famous in 2008) = no real awareness of Fresco. Peter has also changed and talks very differently than Fresco and is actually quite different now in his views in many ways. Peter owes nothing to Fresco. Other way around, in fact.

[@PunkSolar22x]

Indie Man Fresco was featured on Discovery with his Future By Design Series. I never even heard of Peter until later on. TMZ was the Activist Arm of the Venus Project. Peter was taught by Jacque as Jacque was inspired By Einstein and Buckminster. So I think it you who has it Backwards. Also just because I think Peter should acknowledge Jacque Fresco doesn't mean I don't like what he's doing doesn't mean I don't agree with his positions and I'm thankful to him for pushing it even further we're on the same side you and I never think otherwise.

[@PunkSolar22x]

Indie Man Also one more thing. the movement would actually have been a lot greater if the Zeitgeist Movement in the Venus Project didn't split over the fact that Jacque and Roxanne thought that Peter was going in his own Direction without them without acknowledging Jaques influence on Peters current positions.

[@indieman5711]

I see you have a strong bias. Go worship TVP and Fresco. Coming down on Peter for not being some loyal Fresco follower isn't a real criticism. He cares about the world - not any cult of personality. Peter also did more to promote Fresco than any human on earth, to date. So get over it.

[@maxfieldstanton5411]

Don't be pissed off. Very few people would even know of TVP if it weren't for Zeitgeist Addendum and Moving Forward. He basically created a giant commercial for them and they unamicably parted ways years ago.

[@PeterChoyce]

CLimate change is irreversable. Collapse is right around the corner. It's too late to write about the Future. THere isn't one

[@technatezin]

Nuking the desert to throw up sand and dust into the atmosphere might give us a few more years. We might grow up and figure things out in those few years... or not.

[@gastonmannlicher8077]

Peter's getting a bit chubby. Time to hit the weights and cardio bro. Keep that stamina up to keep doing great work.

[@Igor-qp9fo]

you seem to be one of the rare humans with empathy, yes ....look at his appearance during the years....he seems desperate, not comfortable, living in reduced environment....he started a exceptional movement but he is realizing the limits....most of what he said is obvious and was of need to be presented combined. He did! What is missing is the the key to the heart of people, and this is what he is heading to. First he will need to collapse. The solution is not to show what is wrong. The solution is not to show how to make it better. The solution lays in the the smallest unit to approach...the limited human. Change will be achieved by emotions, not by facts. Not by intellect, but by heart. I wish him the very best to recover from the bounce back.

[@dreamlike865]

Igor Plahuta beautiful comment.

[@corbin3588]

ich bin gott.

[@parityviolation968]

Thou shalt not worship idols.

[@AcidProphet]

I dont like this new host Peter. I think you should go back to Stephan Molyneux or Alex Jones. lol jk obviously your great David