Peter Pan [1960]

[@rubybobkowski4464]

This is a core memory for me - this was one of the few vhs tapes my grandma had at her house so we’d always watch it

[@lydiapurple]

Me too!!

[@sargassum6190]

Yes! Yes, to all of this!

[@butterflyfam2522]

I got mine as a gift from my favorite aunt before she died when I was really young. Even after her death, I always loved watching this on vhs. ❤️

[@katierondoni8479]

Me too. ❤️😭 Ugghh the memories/ Nostalgia! I still have the vhs tape I got to take all of the movies she had when she passed.

[@robertscotty8009]

Ditto. With peanut butter toast. And also the reason I thought peter pan was a middle aged woman n tiger lilly was a blond hair blue eyed native American

[@Koldeman]

For the record, I'm full-blooded Native American and not offended by this in the slightest. This is entertainment, nothing more or less. There's quite a bit of ignorance in this (deliberately so, these are supposed to be English kids playing make-believe), but I don't see any hatred. Sondra Lee is really good in this. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself and don't represent all indigenous Americans. If this vid makes you uncomfortable, no problem: but you clicked it...

[@cloudambient]

It's true. These aren't aren't supposed to be American natives ... they're just tribes of people in a made up land. Anyone who gets offended is just looking for reasons to be offended.

[@johnnyhotdog8044]

you are a liar and you are WHITE

[@75flash]

A reasonable and respectable point of view. Kudos

[@DisWldFrk90]

You give a very good perspective to it. I do agree this was not done out of hatred and isn't meant to be mean to Indigenous tribes. Especially since, you're right the concept was a child's imagination, not meant to be represented accurately. I can see how it offends people though given both during this time and now; there was and is ignorance as to what real Indigenous tribes are like and what their languages/dances mean. I see how this dance did not help with getting rid of the ignorant stereotypes that people believe to be real and poke fun at. Especially during a time when they did not give much credit to Indigenous actors and would not let them truly represent themselves.

[@kattidiot]

for the love of god shut up

[@aliciak2633]

I know this would never fly today due to the stereotypes depicted, but when you focus on the composition- it’s a really great musical number. It has a beginning, middle, and end. There’s a quiet beginning that gradually builds to a fantastic climax, and the number ends full circle to how we started.

[@avosmash2121]

And the choreography and the enthusiasm behind the dancers is way beyond high quality. Wish I saw this level of unadulterated glee in more dance numbers.

[@dianeovercash6739]

I agree. Fantastic Choreo.

[@RossM3838]

It’s a lot of fun Todays s j w puritans cannot not allow anyone to have any fun.

[@Raja-nv2cm]

I bet if they were shitting on white Christians it would fly just fine

[@davidpar2]

I don’t take moral cues from a bunch of virtue signaling, token posturing, “professionally offended” on behalf of others performative narcissists. I’ll watch and enjoy 1955-1960s Peter Pan any time I like

[@Oppsupsideyahead]

I'm convinced a lot of people saw this at their grandparents house for the first time lol

[@taylorm7777]

Yes ❤

[@xxhorror13]

Im not embarrassed to admit i knew this entire dance as a kid and would get up and dance everytime the scene came on

[@gabrielleclennon6589]

Same.

[@michaelrutledge7048]

Was your nickname 'tinker'?? 😊

[@TandLtoys]

Right there with you

[@SimplyLexsi]

I still know it and have seen it in over 15 years, no shame here 🙋🏽‍♀️

[@Dragonleo1986]

Same ❤

[@mikeserot1410]

I have no idea why this popped into my head just now but I had to find it and watch it. I had this on VHS as a kid. Loved this song.

[@Slow11ferrets]

You know what, I’m Cree (native), and I grew up watching this on vhs. I’m not even offended by this number, the choreography is amazing; it was a product different time, can’t expect much different

[@iincx_uncle8823]

I watched this so many times as a kid lol So strange seeing it now

[@dogfishrulez]

I always loved the choreography in this scene and I'm always sad that it gets omitted. They can totally redo it without the stereotypes and still showcase Native Americans with their dance moves!

[@kerrykincaid8394]

My parents had this on VHS and I used to watch it all the time.

[@lochesmemonarch]

Even as a little white kid, I wondered why she had blond hair and it bugged me. But, I watched this till the VHS tape broke. Who else remember's that it was sponsored by Rasinets?

[@WayneZalinksy]

Hell yea we taped ours so we had all the commercials on there lol

[@fa3rynn_1vy]

I always wondered why she had blonde hair too and I would always point out how one of the other girls looked more like tiger Lily to my parents, but she was great in this

[@kimberleeroberts9873]

Her being blonde didn’t bother me, Peter being a woman did tho. As great as this movie is, l never understood that; why the play was written that way. I myself have been in the play and l asked the director (who played Hook) if was going to cast a guy or girl and he went, “Whoever is best?” He picked my friend, Christine

[@RossM3838]

@@kimberleeroberts9873these are called trousers parts, that is male roles that are best played by women. Carabino in the marriage of Figero is another Beaumache the original author wrote that carabino must be played by a young woman because only a young woman would understand him. Peter Pan is another such part.

[@WhistleMeThis]

In some versions of Peter Pan the “Indians” are depicted as an eclectic group of children the same as the Lost Boys. They’re not literally Native American tribespeople. It’s more like kids playing cops and robbers on a fantasy island where they never grow up. Peter Pan is written by a British person who was using adventure tropes to be whimsical. For example, real historical pirates are violent criminals, yet in Neverland the rules of reality don’t really apply. It’s silly and carefree fiction. These “Indians” are meant to seem like a group of “lost children” who live in Neverland and play in the woods. It’s not so much meant to be an actual depiction of Indigenous Native Americans the same way the pirates aren’t supposed to be like real historical pirates. Again, it’s just adventure tropes that all come together for a bedtime story. It’s the cartoon Disney version that did a full on racial caricature of native ethnicities.

[@mdukes120]

My number 1 movie from my childhood and this will always be my favorite scene ❤

[@ricucci-hillmusic]

Am I insane or does anyone else get pseudo-Stravinsky Rite of Spring vibes. I remember this move from my childhood and always loved this part.

[@miguelparada2286]

I first saw this back in 91 not knowing it was filmed in 1960. Tiger Lillys character is 93 yrs old.

[@johnwilson1851]

Core memory unlocked

[@theclairebaire]

Fun fact: The Peter Pan Play I was in the girl who played Tiger Lily was Navajo and she had fairly light skin and light brown hair.

[@emilinebelle7811]

Absolutely love this dance and her blonde hair and bangs. I remember wanting hair like that.

[@the_fantasy_gamer]

My childhood...😢

[@Aristocles22]

I can't believe I heard that as "opple opple eep opp" for all those years.

[@adrianaavL23]

I always heard "I don't want a beach ball".

[@jenniferwalsh6523]

I always heard “ugga mugga meatball”

[@ElectricShark]

One of the dancers is Linda Dangcil. She was a trailblazer for Asian American actresses like Anna May Wong years before her. You can see her on Tigerlily's left. Linda also voiced characters on "Jem and the holograms".

[@dancersover40]

Thank you for that! we'll ask Sondra about her!

[@beverlykaeintz8443]

I loved Tiger Lily’s blonde hair and bangs. I wanted so much to have hair like that. My hair was a short brown pixie cut. I was born in 1954.

[@MinecraftKid6121]

The girl playing the Indian looks like she is having the time of her life

[@n8vrising]

I can tell you now none of them are native

[@samsepiol05590]

This is like a fever dream

[@latoyalawson9424]

Idc... this was my ish!!!❤❤❤ The only peter pan i like frfr😂

[@bluevelvet2]

I know this is offense but I must say this choreography is fantastic

[@samsepiol05590]

1:15 UGA WUGGA WIG WA!

[@acrophies89]

This is a very charming scene. Not sure if its because of Sondra Lee or the choreography between her and her fellow indian friends. You can tell they're having a blast but still professional for the time. Again, very charming scene. I literally haven't laid eyes on this in 25 maybe 30 years lol

[@NicoleLoftus]

It’s amazing that actress who plays tiger Lilly is stilll Alive today

[@dancersover40]

Sondra has participated in a number of DO40 panels and performances, most recently, our Angela Lansbury celebration in 2023!

[@Enoughsenoughnomas]

I'm pretty sure the only reason i saw this in the late 80's was because I was always telling my mom to rent me peter pan from the video store, but it was never there, I think because disney had taken it out of circulation because they were re-releasing it in theatres. So my mom got me this video instead.

[@sarahrutledge2780]

Let’s be honest, this was the best movie ever if you were born in the 80s. I never realized just how old the movie was already when I watched it as a child, and it is still fantastic to this day in my eyes. If you find it offensive you need help, this was one of my favorite parts of the movie along with when they build Wendy a house

[@JLK84]

I’m Native American. Born 84. When I was a kid I was very bothered by the fact that Tiger Lily was very blond. At age six I didn’t understand that these were supposed to be children playing at being Indian. I get that now and am no longer bothered, but I don’t think my six year old self “needed help” in the sense that you mean. An explanation maybe. But not pro help. Thanks anyways.

[@auspicious93]

I was born in '93, and I watched it as a kid! You're right that when you're a kid you don't realize how old timeless classics are.

[@andreyaalderete7789]

I'm Mexican/Yaqui and I busted out laughing setting this 😂

[@sparklejones8265]

Omg ❤ my part

[@kimberleeroberts9873]

That girl was awesome

[@underwaterlevelz1947]

Very fun and funny

[@fxlcoHD]

Ah, Agawagawigwa! The dance of our people! Just like Kokum used to do.

[@obscurelyvague]

This was in 1960. The video or film is quite good for something that was recorded so long ago. This was before The Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan and before the televised moon landing and before the JFK assassination and before the death of Marilyn Monroe. The dancers and in this performance must be dead or in an old folk's home by now .

[@dancersover40]

Not all of them! Some are Friends of Dancers Over 40!! Alive and Kicking!!! Especially Sondra Lee! And producer Ed Gaynes!

[@lennieholmes3831]

Definitely before their time. Choreography hit different now. I may have watched this everyday a certain time in my childhood. Can we just appreciate the choreography. Michael Jackson had to steal these moves 😂 Go awf TL! We have to stop being so damn sensitive. That was then, here is now.

[@ivorismith2011]

“Ugg A Wugg”

[@AlexDrew892]

In today's world they would never do this.

[@Ada-ik1ow]

if you're talking about performing this racist musical- people still do

[@Slick420Pgh]

Wow I think your really looking too deep into a children's book lighten up. I mean if u wanna play devils advocate what about how they portray the pirates im sure people that are in the ships and boats don't get all pissy. How about a dog that plays nanny there r nannies out there are they r stupid and dumb as a dog. Not all alligators attack humans r they in the wrong 2...u could do this w anything that's entertainment relax a little bit. I dont even think they've played this since my grandma tapped it 4me in 1988 when I was 3

[@cloudambient]

@@Ada-ik1ow Racist? This is a made up tribe of people from a made up land. If you're equating or relating this to American Indians then maybe YOU'RE the racist one.

[@Ada-ik1ow]

@@cloudambient lmao

[@AlexDrew892]

@@Ada-ik1ow I’m talking about casting white people as native Americans. That’s called white washing.

[@starelise1387]

The whitest blondest one is an “Indian princess” 😂😂😂😂

[@Scorpiopower7]

She looks like Gwen Stefani. Or, a Lucille Ball-esque Native American princess. Pretty darn weird and offensive, yes, but that's probably what had me finding Tiger Lily so spunky and cool as a kid.

[@Anona_Meows]

I was just thinking she looks like Gwen

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

At least it’s not Ms Velma’s Magnificent Christmas Week or Ms Velma’s Christmas in America

[@michaelrutledge7048]

One of the GREAT musicals in theater, but somewhat ignored in today’s PC world.

[@samsepiol05590]

Ok boomer

[@ivorismith2011]

Hee-haw! Hee-haw!

[@doctorteethomega]

My childhood. Stupidly racist, but we didn't know that. We just knew Tiger Lilly was Peter Pan's friend.

[@ivorismith2011]

People Are Used To Saying “Ugg A Wugg!

[@kodymaxwell4590]

My favorite part is when one of the Indians lift Tiger Lily off the ground and gets followed by the other Indians.

[@guitarfan01]

If you think of it as 1800s English kids pretending to be the "injuns" they've only ever read about them in dime store novels, it's not so bad. I'm actually pretty impressed by the performers and their playfulness. If your brain relates it to actual Native Americans (and mine did), it's insulting as all hell.

[@AndrewHager02]

The One Galen I may not be Native American, but I agree 100%. No wonder why NBC pulled this version from cable TV.

[@kingly642]

***** Having morals makes you a "weak human"?

[@guitarfan01]

I'm not personally insulted by this, no, as I have no Native American heritage. But I can see how it is insulting. Thanks for the troll, though.

[@jstbhippy]

I was looking for this comment. I agree

[@Ada-ik1ow]

I am Indigenous and this is completely racist even if the dancing is impressive

[@brandonjones8921]

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[@brandonjones8921]

Paul Allen Given Tiger Lily ❤

[@kariscolorjoyandhenrypower504]

They’re looking for the lost boys

[@kyootzee]

When this was made, it was probably difficult to find and cast real Native Americans to represent themselves or consult with since it was still a great time of oppression for these real human beings. In the 1960's there were still Native children who were beaten for speaking their language and practicing their culture. Tiger Lily was white-washed and made to speak broken English and sound primitive as if Native people were long gone. Now I can see how this could damage a Native child's self-esteem and give bullies an easy target. I enjoyed watching this as a kid, but I hope this musical is modified for future generations. If it is ever made into film again, I hope an actual Native American can play Tiger Lily and make her at least sound like an intelligent child.

[@POTOKnowItAll666IHC]

ALL children are intelligent. I'm not sure if your aware how ableist you sound, but what you said is offensive to people with mental disabilities I'm not sure why the language used to describe the portrayal of the Native Americans in this version is almost always ableist. Seriously, what's wrong with just saying "That's not how Native Americans talk!"?

[@twizatch]

Stfu

[@Ada-ik1ow]

@@POTOKnowItAll666IHC Are you serious? Kyootzee is right- they're saying that this is making fun of Indigenous people and acting as if they (as a society and people) were less intelligent then white ppl when native people bathed regularly (white ppl didnt), knew more about science and technology (although not war technology)- Its not ableist to point out racism and how harmful this movie and musical was to so many people (either by wrongfully teaching them that it is ok to make fun of native people and by diminishing Native people because its racist). Just saying "That's not how Native Americans talk!" diminishes their culture and language.

[@obscurelyvague]

"kyoozee" Good points and yet a lot of people would just say that it is just left wing liberal whining.

[@suzyq4982]

‘Poor Wendy’ 😂

[@jamesbriley2468]

Ugga wugga meatball.

[@brandonjones8921]

Hibbing High School Auditorium HHS Concert Mary Martin Peter Pan Soundtrack 1960 11 Indians Your Classical MPR 7:00 Soundra Lee as Tiger Lily Her Play Hibbing High School Auditorium Girls Her Tiger Lily Coming Home Beds Paul A Given

[@cgreen399]

Tiger Lily reminds me of Lady Gaga for some reason

[@brandonjones8921]

0:11

[@brandonjones8921]

Hibbing High School Auditorium Mary Martin Peter Pan 1960 7:00 HHS Concert

[@briellebarenbaum]

The indian prinses is my aut

[@jacobgarrity9055]

The difference between the Disney Peter Pan movie and the Mary Martin version. Is that Native Americans sing what makes the Red man and those actors in the play and television are white actors. Also this version of Peter Pan that Mary Martin starred in is mostly closely related to the books then the Disney movie of Peter Pan 1953.

[@PabloRuizMega]

i watched this movie when i was in elementary in the 80's late 80's

[@davidcurtis7547]

Mary Martin is the best Tiger lily

[@RossM3838]

This is Sondra Lee Mary Martin was Peter

[@ivorismith2011]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[@tegansantana2910]

They could have at least made her a brunette...

[@Slick420Pgh]

Wasn't this ground breaking? Having a woman star in a live TV play as Peter pan? So they r down for that but r intentionally making fun of native Americans in a children's book from 1800s. I am not native American but this was like 60yrs ago and its not like they confirmed that this was an intentional knock on native Americans u think they r gonna get that deep into slamming the natives for a peter pan play? If u feel this way u should worry about bigger topics concerning native American harassment or hate crimes....I mean it's not like they even show this anymore or advertise it

[@1957es]

Peter Pan is always played by a woman. It was originally presented this way in the first production in Edwardian England in the British pantomime tradition. Cathy Rigby the gymnast has played Peter almost nonstop in various productions . Alison Williams on NBC. IMy daughter danced to this perfectly at age five in front of the TV as it played and I have it on tape. So it’s a wonderful memory and wish it wouldn’t vanish completely from productions. I wish it could be maybe be cleaned up possibly but it was English children imagining Native Americans from Penny Dreadlock books. Did people get upset when Johnny Depp in Finding Neverland asks about savages as he and the children played cowboys and Indians? Again, all from an ignorant perspective of the time.

[@UltimateGenosyko]

This choreography is great, and the music is catchy. But yeah, this would be really offensive these days. It could still work if they tweaked a few things. Like casting natives. It’s supposed to be silly, like a child interpretation of what “indians” are like.

[@katemcgee1984]

It was racist then, it's racist now. LOL sorry.

[@UltimateGenosyko]

Kate McGee yeah, you’re right, I’ve changed my opinion on this. I think the choreography is still cool to look at and is impressive but separated from the racist representation of Natives of course.

[@katemcgee1984]

@@UltimateGenosyko I am honestly mad at how good the choreography and dancing were ;-)

[@Ada-ik1ow]

@@katemcgee1984 so true haha its just that society (mainly white ppl) understands that its racist now

[@Ada-ik1ow]

also casting Native americans in these roles won't fix it unless all they do is go onstage to debunk the racist propaganda and explain the "One Tribe" native culture soup ideas that the dance perpetuates

[@brandonsmith1198]

Let’s tenders share or

[@ivorismith2011]

Aaaachoo! Shush, Baby Shark!

[@kodymaxwell4590]

I like the dance moves, the leapfrog and the part when one of the Indians lift Tiger Lily off the ground, but I don't get it. Why are the Indians are going "Shh"?

[@HauntFreak13]

"When on warpath, SHH!" -Tiger Lily

[@obscurelyvague]

"Kody Maxwell" "Indians" or "Native Americans" or whatever name of definition is fitting ( I have heard some people say that even "Native American" is wrong and offensive) are people who have traditionally lived in the wilds and have to be careful of attracting the attention of bears or any animal that would attack them and also they have to be quiet as possible when they are hunting some animal or are on the warpath.

[@alvin307]

Pretty sure they're hunting the pirates... the pirates are hunting the lost boys... and the lost boys are following the indians

[@balamoral5562]

@@alvin307 yeah it’s along the lines of that cuz they are searching for the lost boys and I think they’re i say sh cuz someoen sneezed idk

[@josephgoodrich]

This is not "Ugg-a-Wugg"!

[@ivorismith2011]

Chicka, Chicka, Boom Boom!

[@brandonjones8921]

Hibbing High School Auditorium

[@POTOKnowItAll666IHC]

Alanna Saunders was Cherokee, but we elected Trump, the most racist man in America, President two years later. I DON'T see the Political change, that casting a real Native in #PeterPanLive should have brought. DOES IT EVEN MATTER?

[@philipthebiolaprof]

What is the relevance of a 2016 election to a 1960 TV show? This comment is off-topic.

[@flanoflare2059]

Stfu you waste of skin my god

[@safenders]

I'm Native American myself. I voted for Trump any other racist crap you want to say?

[@Koldeman]

@@safenders same.

[@MinecraftKid6121]

Your right Donald is the most racist and evil person, if only these right wingers would go learn something , Donald even said he supports Putin, he’s gonna start a war if he’s ever elected again

[@vicentehizon6202]

Whitewashing, jeez.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

I'm not a politically correct person, but this is almost physically painful to watch. I had a crush on Sondra Lee back in the day, but good god... This is actually offensive, and the fact that Tiger Lily is platinum blonde and looks downright Nordic is the least of its problems.

[@marcgreges]

Who cares. Just a bunch of friends making a play.

[@MinecraftKid6121]

It’s just a play from the 50s what’s the problem

[@devilsemissary4650]

Seriously. No one gives a fuck about your feelings.

[@ijustgottahotdog]

What a flop

[@davidpar2]

Being “professionally offended” by this doesn’t make you edgy, clever, enlightened, or virtuous. It just makes you another “current thing” performative narcissist, as insipid as it gets.

[@cameronliedmann1587]

This was awful, the whole movid with mary martin was awful, the live and cathy rigby version is so much better

[@brandonjones8921]

Paul Allen Given Tiger Lily ❤