Peter, Paul, and Mary Magdalene - Bart Ehrman

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@aspektx
@aspektx 3 жыл бұрын
I'll say one thing about vids concerning religion, Xtianity in particular, they always bring out the nutters. It's always a delight to watch commenters attack, insult, and rant against people who have spent their lives studying and researching an area of academic interest. Ehrman has 30+ years of research. He's fluent in Koine Greek, and has a passable grasp on Hebrew, Coptic, and I believe Latin. He has read the NT and associated literature more times and in more ways than any of us possibly ever will. But go ahead. I'm sure you clearly have more insight and understanding.
@moncaman1
@moncaman1 3 жыл бұрын
BART you are a very amazing man I started listening to you about a year ago you're very interested and you're very knowledgeable on the Bible it's a shame I was raised very scared of God and I just want to thank you for explaining so much I do believe in God and he is very important to me and I think you're very important to this world thank you so much I hope I can understand a lot more by watching you..🧐👍😇🗽🇺🇸🌎.....
@manuarastar
@manuarastar 11 жыл бұрын
Bart Ehrman is a top notch scholar in Bible knowledge.
@louisaccardi6808
@louisaccardi6808 7 жыл бұрын
Bart is a top notch heretic and apostate and is leading people astray with his lies. How would you know if Dr. Ehrman is a top notch anything?
@MrResearcher122
@MrResearcher122 5 жыл бұрын
@Marian Kotúč Put beautifully. As to Sufism, one of the oldest Sufi texts says: Sufism was, in the past, a reality without a name; now, its a name without a reality. Paul may've ,under certain cultural conditions, experienced such a reality.
@cheryldeboissiere1851
@cheryldeboissiere1851 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the expert logical fallacy
@SmithFam2323
@SmithFam2323 Жыл бұрын
I am reading both the old and New Testament. I have 4 books left to read in the NT and I will be finished with both bibles and I am not a believer. I can say this after being baptized and going to church. I never read any of it for myself. After doing so I feel duped and released at the same time.
@nijoyjohn4366
@nijoyjohn4366 5 жыл бұрын
Bart is truly Exceptional
@dirkbonesteel
@dirkbonesteel 10 жыл бұрын
PBS Fresh Air interview with Terry Gross
@MurrayEstes
@MurrayEstes 4 жыл бұрын
Peter was Jesus's right hand man literally.....
@claudetteearle3052
@claudetteearle3052 3 жыл бұрын
Says who? Peter wasn't a nice person. He was prone to irrationality and violence. Jesus was trying to help help himself out of these negative, unloving emotional injuries.
@MyVmh
@MyVmh 2 жыл бұрын
@@claudetteearle3052 I agree. Peter denied Jesus three times, and was the main reason that Mary was ostracised.
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 жыл бұрын
The whole story of the gospels has a deeper meaning. Its a metaphorical allegory. If you withdraw yourself from the brainwashing you might be able to find it. The hidden pearl of great value. The OT is the type in almost every story. Ruth and Boaz being one.
@allenanderson4911
@allenanderson4911 3 жыл бұрын
The old and new testaments are based in shamanic ritual blood magic. It's all about appeasing an angry God with blood sacrifice. Stone age voodoo. Period.
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 жыл бұрын
@@allenanderson4911 Deut. 5:22, Jer 7:22-23. Figure out the TRUE Father.
@MyVmh
@MyVmh 2 жыл бұрын
@@allenanderson4911 can you be more specific please?
@MyVmh
@MyVmh 2 жыл бұрын
@Noah Scheid Isn't the God of the Old Testament the Son of Sophia, according to the Gnostic Gospels? He is a different God to the New Testament?
@livejay9062
@livejay9062 2 жыл бұрын
Gives their classic "If I Had a Hammer" new meaning. Or was that Nine Inch Nails?!
@netelsg
@netelsg 6 жыл бұрын
Gospel of Thomas saying #114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven*** My Reading : The true spiritual self within a woman is the same as that of man in spirit. The Kingdom of God is within you (male or female) ...read Luke 17:21-22... "she too may become a living spirit resembling you males."...The kingdom of God within a man and woman is similar or alike or resemblance. This does not mean a woman to be become or make into a male in physical sense.
@frederickj.7136
@frederickj.7136 6 жыл бұрын
It just means that the best a woman (originator 'kind' of the sinful act) can hope for is a "resemblance" to her male superiors. Thanks for the uplifting message.
@starfish9558
@starfish9558 4 жыл бұрын
Galatians 3:27-28 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
@allenanderson4911
@allenanderson4911 3 жыл бұрын
It's still pretty insulting to women. I mean, what if they told you you had to ditch being male, spiritually, to be worthy of salvation. Yikes!
@netelsg
@netelsg 3 жыл бұрын
@@allenanderson4911 That's not what Jesus meant. Your interpretation is an insult to Jesus saying and your understanding of the true meaning of the message.
@TheWpelt
@TheWpelt Жыл бұрын
@@allenanderson4911 Well, they did not.
@KevinPaul444
@KevinPaul444 9 жыл бұрын
Simon the Magician was a mock character that Paul created to hide his disputes with Peter, and to mock Peter by making him some sort of magician, in reality they were both enemies, and Peter would have been outraged that Paul's doctrine was implemented into the New Testament.
@commonberus1
@commonberus1 9 жыл бұрын
+Kevin Paul Did you make a slip in your comment here? The theory seems to be that Simon the Magicians beliefs seem to be like Paul's not Peters. He claims to have seen Jesus after his assension into heaven like Paul claimed.
@KevinPaul444
@KevinPaul444 8 жыл бұрын
+commonberus1 Yes that is what I was referring to, Paul, Luke, Josephus, they made the character, along with a large amount of false history to hide the truth.
@jonnyw82
@jonnyw82 8 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, sounds like Bob Prices theory, correct?
@KevinPaul444
@KevinPaul444 8 жыл бұрын
Not sure, I haven't researched Bob Price, however, I have a deep faith that I am the only person in California who knows this truth about the creation of Christianity, why, because nobody has cared about the truth and studied it as much as me
@pwndecaf
@pwndecaf 7 жыл бұрын
Then how do you "know" this?
@crucisnh
@crucisnh 13 жыл бұрын
At about 14:30 or so, Ehrman talks about the lawsuit by the writers of Holy Blood, Holy Grail against Dan Brown (DaVinci Code) and IIRC, he incorrectly states the reason those writers lost their plagiarism case. IIRC, the decision by the judge was that since the writers of HBHG claimed that the book was history, it was not possible to plagiarize history. Thus, the HBHG writers were hung by their own petard.
@YaoEspirito
@YaoEspirito Жыл бұрын
You get "hoisted" by a petard, not hung.
@katyleu
@katyleu 12 жыл бұрын
it means for women to have a male brain with a womans heart
@todds.6028
@todds.6028 Жыл бұрын
I just can't help but imagine Jesus and the disciples hooking up with these women who were traveling with them.
@bigbrownsound
@bigbrownsound 8 жыл бұрын
on Fresh Air with Terry Gross
@pwndecaf
@pwndecaf 7 жыл бұрын
I thought it sounded like her - great interviewer with interesting subjects!
@okrajoe
@okrajoe 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting discussion.
@rursus8354
@rursus8354 4 жыл бұрын
Except the majority of scholars now think that the Gospel of Judas paints a *very* condemning picture of Judas. The Sethians who wrote it condemned the "Orthodox" church by claiming their human sacrifice teachings to a blood-thirsty demiurge (represented by the apostles) were evil and Judas the most evil of them all.
@aspektx
@aspektx 3 жыл бұрын
Ehrman has a good lecture on KZbin concerning the Gospel of Judas. He was one of the people to help verify the document along with a Coptic scholar and a papyrologist that he reccomended.
@anotheryou218
@anotheryou218 10 жыл бұрын
If there was a Jesus, he lived too long ago and was too obscure during his lifetiime to have been documented adequately enough so that there is no question of his existence. Therefore, this is likely an endless (and fruitless) debate. However, we do have the purported teachings of Jesus, which if examined with discernment reveal certain principles which can be adopted into one's life and practiced. Really, what is more important? That we investigate the veracity of the teachings as they can be applied to our lives here and now or that we can establish the historical origin of those teachings? If there was a Jesus who was responsible for these teachings, what do you think would have mattered to him?,
@anotheryou218
@anotheryou218 9 жыл бұрын
AnarchoRepublican I agree, but that doesn't make it nearly as important (to me) as the fact that the teachings can be practiced and verified through experience. The principles underlying Jesus' teachings are not unique to him, but indeed he had "made them his own" and expressed them in his own unique voice with an authority that "astonished" his listeners.
@PapaBushka
@PapaBushka 4 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear discussions of the New Testament I remind myself that they were written by Jesus' and Christianity's public relations people.
@infinitytarot7184
@infinitytarot7184 4 жыл бұрын
Where did you learn this 😭
@claudetteearle3052
@claudetteearle3052 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus never wrote one thing down. It was the others who did....many years later. And do bear in mind, that more than half of them were illiterate back then anyway.
@yaruqadishi8326
@yaruqadishi8326 3 жыл бұрын
Transcended men dont become "divine" they become blessed by Divine.
@julio14335
@julio14335 7 жыл бұрын
Anytime i watch the Bartman i learn something New.
@louisaccardi6808
@louisaccardi6808 7 жыл бұрын
It might be something new, but that doesn't make it true or accurate. You would be better off listening to wolves howling than to listen to that heretic.
@pellismelisande7617
@pellismelisande7617 7 жыл бұрын
Julio Kosters it's because you don't know much about Christianity and NT history. His views are among many other scholarly views and some of them are the same and others are different. His most certainly not viewed as the most author active out there.
@julio14335
@julio14335 7 жыл бұрын
Louis Accardi Bart Eheman WAS a sincere Christian but the unfortunately the Bible dissapoints him.
@leefbucks
@leefbucks 2 жыл бұрын
Who are those four people in the video
@DennisTate643
@DennisTate643 4 жыл бұрын
A near death experiencer was shown more details about the relationship between Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and Mary Magdalene. .... ... "One day, when we were in Jerusalem, the Pharisees and others who lived only by the letter of the law, brought before Yeshua a woman who was beautiful and, having been caught in the act of adultery, had been stripped to the waist to reveal her shame to others. “The Law of Moses tells us that those caught in adultery should be stoned to death. This woman we caught in the very act and her shame is revealed. Should we stone her?” "Yeshua looked at the woman crouched on the ground with her nakedness revealed. "Stand up." he said to her "and face your accusers." Then he said to the men who had brought her, “Look on her! Is there any man among you who does not feel the wish in his heart to do the same act with her? She is a beautiful woman. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” There was much hesitation, the woman standing before the men, as the stones dropped one by one. When the accusers left, Yeshua turned again to the woman and said, “You may clothe yourself again. No one has condemned you. Neither do I.” Then he turned to us and said, “Any man who has looked on a woman with lust, has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Do not judge the woman if the same desire is in your own heart, because then we would all be stoned to death.” “What is your name?” he asked the woman. “Mary --- of Magdala.” “Go and sin no more,” he said. “I will not sin, but I cannot go. You have already taught me much and I would learn more. My life was darkness, but now I see light in your face. You have saved my life. Perhaps you can teach me how to control my great desire.”| ( Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., The Thomas Book, Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus)
@DennisTate643
@DennisTate643 4 жыл бұрын
ThomasTwin .com/
@johnnykay7411
@johnnykay7411 6 жыл бұрын
Seven devils? Never. Seven deadly sins Mary had overcome, as in, seven cardinal sins and their transmutations: Hatred.................... Love Envy....................... Understanding Pride...................... Humbleness Lust........................ Purity Gluttony................. Self Control Ignorance.............. Wisdom Laziness................ Concern From Luke's SECOND Book of Acts.
@johnnykay7411
@johnnykay7411 4 жыл бұрын
@Thuzar You're welcome.
@merlevigil7912
@merlevigil7912 3 жыл бұрын
The first echo of the apostles the protégés of the apostles never wrote about Mary as spouse nor was there any other children of Christ s mother
@backhandgrip23
@backhandgrip23 6 жыл бұрын
There is a fascinating story that Mary Magdalene came to the South of France along with 60 other early Christians and hid in the caves in Provence along the road to Aix en Provence, a Roman city. If you go to St Maxima en Baum (Mary of the cave) there is a very early church over the cave, later cathedral, 3rd sarcophagus and her relic bones. If you go there everything is just so spooky and makes so much sense, everything just so early, the sarcophagus so early and Roman, detailed with figures of her on it.......Earliest Christians in France came from this area .....Go there some day.
@frederickj.7136
@frederickj.7136 6 жыл бұрын
The world is full of stories and tourist traps.
@tedhibbard6320
@tedhibbard6320 3 жыл бұрын
The murderer Apostle Paul was not a disciple of the 12 He had James the just,murdered.He changed Yeshua aka Jesus message to his message.
@6dune
@6dune 11 жыл бұрын
"I desire to have a deep loving personal relationship with each soul because I created you as an extension of My love.Once you are with Me in heaven you will experience such a personal love for Me that you will even become one with Me. This life is a test of your faith in Me, and a place to work on perfecting your love for Me. Every time that you visit Me in Adoration or receive Me in Holy Communion, you have a small taste of heaven, and My deep personal love for you” Jesus to John Leary 2012
@katyleu
@katyleu 12 жыл бұрын
she was his confidant. IT WAS A HOLY KISS
@pineapplepenumbra
@pineapplepenumbra Жыл бұрын
So did the writer of Peter actually know Jesus?
@anderwneale5239
@anderwneale5239 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't Peter, Paul and Mary sing leveing on a jet plane,lol.
@dougzembiec9995
@dougzembiec9995 9 жыл бұрын
The thing that fascinates me most about Bart is his intense interest in something he doesnt believe. I mean if the underlying reason for having a New Testament was to believe in Jesus then why study the damn thing after you stopped believing in it. Ive never heard of an Islamic scholar studying the Quran after he decided to leave Islam. Ive never seen a Christian studying the roots of Atheism and writing books on it if they are Christian so why is Bart doing that as an Agnostic. If you believe the Bible is inaccurate then or corrupt then thats fine but do you need to go around preaching it as well ? I mean what does he get out of it ? Does he feel like hes some kind of a Messiah preaching the real Gospel that the old Gospel is a fraud?
@jonjubb9227
@jonjubb9227 9 жыл бұрын
Doug Zembiec Are you real? He gets a fucking good living out of it. He gets to trace history - real history is very interesting. This subject makes it super-interesting! Don't you think??
@dougzembiec9995
@dougzembiec9995 9 жыл бұрын
Jon Jubb As salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu.......... Go read Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim 2286 before you go to bed to night.' Sleep well.
@jonjubb9227
@jonjubb9227 9 жыл бұрын
Doug Zembiec Thank you. What makes you think that is relevant? What makes you think I will even read it? I get it I was right to ask the question; "are you real?"
@dougzembiec9995
@dougzembiec9995 9 жыл бұрын
Jon Jubb as real as those voices muhammd heard in his head which is where your book comes from
@jonjubb9227
@jonjubb9227 9 жыл бұрын
Comical - I'm a fucking atheist you idiot!
@tiaprocelius2226
@tiaprocelius2226 4 жыл бұрын
But it's written that Mary Magdalene is the woman that Jesus loves the most... (I don't recall if it's in Mary Magdalene's gospel or another)
@TheWpelt
@TheWpelt Жыл бұрын
It is written and printed in the Da Vinci Code. As Kajafas said: what more proof do we need?
@blancaconejo4290
@blancaconejo4290 4 жыл бұрын
Magdalene means big fire I live in Samaria Magdalena Jerusalem Colombia l corazón del mundo, i am from America which is Anhaiaca , I brought he gold key ankhof David to Jesus here in Chundua in 2016 we are rapturing now,
@Megan-wk4nx
@Megan-wk4nx 6 жыл бұрын
If Mary Magdalene went to Jesus' tomb and was the first to proclaim Jesus' missing body, starting Christianity (as Ehrman claims), then she had an address of a tomb. B. Ehrman just contradicted himself in another book where he says that Jesus most probably wasn't buried as crucified criminals were left to rot on the cross. So why is Mary Magdalene visiting tombs at all? Was she crazy then?
@VSP4591
@VSP4591 3 жыл бұрын
No she was no crazy. This is the story of the OT. Jesus was crucified, buried and later on resurected. Bart just issued a hypothesis that, in reality, Jesus was not buried at all. So, in the logic of the NT somebody would have visited the grave on the third day.
@soslothful
@soslothful 3 жыл бұрын
Cite the reference in Professor Ehrman's book suggesting Jesus was not buried.
@johnnykay7411
@johnnykay7411 6 жыл бұрын
Gregory the Great in his own mind as the pope, stated in 1591 that Mary was a fallen woman in the church's continuing desire to destroy worship of the Divine Feminine. The Knights Templar dedicated Notre Dame to her, Mary of Magdala, rather than Mary the mother, for many reasons. They were neither wrong nor misguided.
@allenanderson4911
@allenanderson4911 3 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. The cult of Mary, the mother of Yeshua, is the veneration of a female. Catholics even address plaintive prayers to her. They go way out of the scripture to invent a sacred feminine cult.
@johnnykay7411
@johnnykay7411 3 жыл бұрын
@@allenanderson4911 Perhaps you could go 'way out' and research for yourself when adoration of any Mary was stopped to destroy worship of the Divine Feminine to keep the all male priesthood humming along as the deception its always been, and then subsequently restarted when hidden truths were again brought to light.
@Nai61a
@Nai61a 12 жыл бұрын
Where is this quote from?
@longhitter84
@longhitter84 4 жыл бұрын
Why is Magdalene pronounced like the "e" at the end is silent?
@hawsse2796
@hawsse2796 4 жыл бұрын
blame the french
@karlhamilton3860
@karlhamilton3860 3 жыл бұрын
The same reason the e is silent in every other word ending in ene. Serene Nazarene, convene...the final e only serves to make the preceding e long.
@stevenhaettich6757
@stevenhaettich6757 Жыл бұрын
Love ❤️ this
@mobyinayet5383
@mobyinayet5383 9 жыл бұрын
If Christ had a virgin birth, why does he, not once present it as evidence of his mission during his ministry. Why did his Jewish opponents not bring up this point while having debates with him (they do make all kinds of vile accusations in the Talmud written many years after)?
@stuartwest8836
@stuartwest8836 9 жыл бұрын
AnarchoRepublican I smell ridicule and fear!!
@mobyinayet5383
@mobyinayet5383 9 жыл бұрын
No need to suspect. We need to explore why as a matter of curiosity
@stuartwest8836
@stuartwest8836 9 жыл бұрын
AnarchoRepublican Do you know mate I learnt a long time ago that people who find it necessary to insult their opponent(jackass/clown pants etc) are really quite unsure of their position, but don't be downhearted, just do some more research.
@mobyinayet5383
@mobyinayet5383 9 жыл бұрын
Christians often quote a prophecy in the Book of Isiah as proof of virgin birth. Why did Jesus not refer to that particular prophecy? He quotes other verses to prove his points on various issues. Just food for thought, no offence.
@stuartwest8836
@stuartwest8836 9 жыл бұрын
AnarchoRepublican I wouldest thou come to ye Royal Shakespeare Company in London.Perchance thou will suggest to them that all the plays and sonnets of the said Wiliiam are but as dross and should be cast into the Thames. Doth thou not perceive that our Mother Tongue hath become the parlance of the whole world? Doth thou not see that small children around the Globe do run to receive such instruction? Perchance thou thinkest thyself wise and in thy ignorance delight to mock the tongue that GOD himself hath graciously ordained should carry his very thoughts to distant shores. Methinks thy knickerbockers are at thine ankles and to all who behold thee, thou appearest to have the whit of the dullards.
@StratMatt777
@StratMatt777 12 жыл бұрын
In case he is reading this I want to clarify that I meant that he has no PROPHETIC connection to Jesus. Not that he has no connection to Jesus.
@Nai61a
@Nai61a 12 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. In fact, I think this quote does not come from the Bible at all, and is quite literally the deluded rambling of a sect. I have asked the same question of the same person on a couple of vids now, and there's no response. I guess s/he wants me to spend time going to the recommended site, but I can't be bothered.
@soulfoodify
@soulfoodify 11 жыл бұрын
she adored jesus differently then the other deciples- and she is a living proof for each person that seeks jesus face and g'ds will. It is a very individual and personal love and relationship. G'd wants us to be holy and he gave his onliest son, so that we will receive the love that HE has for us. No matter what we went through-jesus has authority to forgive sins and the love that he can give, the mercy that is from his father-it is g'ds will to save each soul and he wants adoration, holy,love..
@Grassbax
@Grassbax 5 жыл бұрын
Living proof? Really?
@TheWpelt
@TheWpelt Жыл бұрын
The Da Vinci Code was obviously inspired, that is why God made it a bestseller. The Gospel of Philip never was.
@johnpepa1670
@johnpepa1670 6 жыл бұрын
Yes much like Edgar Cayce Barty Ehrmandingo is a human x-ray machine, capable of speaking any language and telepathically going anywhere on earth and diagnosing anyone in any language, he is the Father of modern Holistic Medicine and also can traverse time itself, Edgar Cayce has nothing on Ehrmandingo! TOP NOTCH READER BART!
@frederickj.7136
@frederickj.7136 6 жыл бұрын
Just curious, what are you smoking?
@khaledalothman4314
@khaledalothman4314 4 жыл бұрын
Question why are apostles desciples and Jesus himself always portrayed as white Europeans rather than brown Palestinians 😀
@sunnybrave7221
@sunnybrave7221 6 ай бұрын
Jesus' family tomb was found in 1980 and Mary Mag.'s Bone box was found in side the tomb. She would have Not been placed inside this tomb with Jesus and his family Unless they were married .
@orlandodesousa4038
@orlandodesousa4038 3 жыл бұрын
We are all male and female in energy. Soul has no gender
@tsotros74
@tsotros74 5 жыл бұрын
I would dispute that magdila Was her home town but her name given to her by Jesus Just as Simon was the rock Mary was the tower.
@karenotte5420
@karenotte5420 5 жыл бұрын
When she saw the Angels she looked to see what they were wearing and she was very worried after all they were enslaved you must know that
@MixtapeKilla2004
@MixtapeKilla2004 7 жыл бұрын
Peter, Paul, Mary Magdalene, King Solomon, King David & Jesus Are Black People. The Bible Is Our Book!
@habibrahim88
@habibrahim88 7 жыл бұрын
Gospel of mark was copied from Homer's odyssey ...read Homer epic and the gospel of mark by Dennis MacDonald (biblical scholar) ..it will blow any readers mind ...the part where James and john is called the "son of thunder" ..sounds like the sons of Zeus.
@ashesfalldown492
@ashesfalldown492 3 жыл бұрын
So where did the women who followed them get the money to help them to survive?
@sunnybrave7221
@sunnybrave7221 6 ай бұрын
Mary Mag had money she is a decent of David. Her bone box was very decorated when the rest of Jesus'family bone boxes were very very plain and simple. (discovered in 1980, the Talpiot tomb.
@anthonywilliams8362
@anthonywilliams8362 3 жыл бұрын
God is good!!
@belovelyloveofgod
@belovelyloveofgod 3 жыл бұрын
WHAT THE EVER LOVING FRUUUCK???? WOMAN WILL BECOME AS MAN SIMPLY MEANS THAT WOMEN WILL BE HONORED IN WORD BY WORD IN DEED BY DEED IN KNOWLEDGE N WISDOM OF MIND N THOUGHT, SAME AS MEN, TRUTH! SIMPLY MEANS WOMEN WILL BE RESPECTED N HONORED SAME AS MEN ARE, TRUTH! 👊🌹🌞🌋🔥❤🕊
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 жыл бұрын
I think its referring to the gentiles. The virgin in scripture. The young maiden.
@HolmRose
@HolmRose 5 жыл бұрын
OMFG.......................I cant believe that all these "mystery religions" are still being discussed in the year 2019.
@andrewmarkmusic
@andrewmarkmusic 3 жыл бұрын
If you're looking for Thomas, Jesus, and Mary in history you find them in Cleopatra's children! A very simple explanation that fits.
@gregorabaileyein4685
@gregorabaileyein4685 5 жыл бұрын
No dam flood No Abraham
@cpolychreona
@cpolychreona 4 жыл бұрын
Decades before Da Vinci Code, we have The Last Temptation by Kazantzakis, presenting Christ being in love with MM.
@tiaprocelius2226
@tiaprocelius2226 4 жыл бұрын
Earlier than that is Da Vinci's "the last supper"
@allenanderson4911
@allenanderson4911 2 жыл бұрын
A good soundtrack to the movie
@cpolychreona
@cpolychreona 2 жыл бұрын
@@allenanderson4911 Yes, the book was made into a movie by Martin Scorsese but I don't remember the soundtrack. It would have been neat if it were by PP&M.
@exoplanet11
@exoplanet11 2 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but it has the idea that Judas' betrayal of Jesus was all part of a plan, and was done not in betrayal of Jesus but in fulfillment of his purpose.
@shafeequeahmed4272
@shafeequeahmed4272 4 жыл бұрын
JESUS AS A PROPHET IN THE BIBLE: Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 14:5 And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet. Matthew 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. Mark 6:4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. Mark 6:15 Others said, That it is Elias. And others said, That it is a prophet, or as one of the prophets. Luke 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. Luke 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people. Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. John 4:44 For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country. John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me"(John 7:16) John 7:40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet. So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught me (John 8:28) John 9:17 They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a PROPHET. For I did not speak on my own initiative, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me (John 12:49-50) He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me (John 14:24)
@sunnybrave7221
@sunnybrave7221 6 ай бұрын
I noticed discussing Mary Magdoodle, the topic of Mary mother of jesus is brought before Jesus, and he says let the 1st one without sin cast the first stone. Noone does, and Jesus tells Mary. Go, and sin no more! You are no loner telling the story of .Mary Mag. Your speaking of Mary, the mother of Jesus. It is absolutly impossible that pregnant Mother Mary was pregnant with Jesus in her belly so how could this be when Jesus was not yet BORN
@Out-Cast75
@Out-Cast75 4 жыл бұрын
Marys should be in the New Testiment..way before Paul's, nothing against Paul but he didn't walk know Jesus .
@zealandzen
@zealandzen 11 жыл бұрын
it sounds like terri gross from npr's fresh air
@burningheart2909
@burningheart2909 7 жыл бұрын
2000 years after Jesus walked this earth and people STILL can't get this right?? There are thousands of versions of Christianity in America alone... WHY DON'T WE HAVE ONE CLEAR ANSWER!?
@vejeke
@vejeke 5 жыл бұрын
Because of this kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWnFpIBth8d-ZqM
@protochris
@protochris 11 жыл бұрын
Bart, the Christian church started at Pentecost, not at the empty tomb. "Church" did not occur until the Holy Spirit was given.
@chewyjello1
@chewyjello1 5 жыл бұрын
He said she started the religion, not the institution.
@claudetteearle3052
@claudetteearle3052 6 жыл бұрын
I am so happy to comment that my research has lead me in a different direction. in those days even the deciples did not understand what Jesus was trying to teach them. They did not believe in the equality of women and men but Jesus never shared those beliefs and although the Bible (which has been changed, added to and deleted in parts) did not say much about Mary, Jesus was especially close to her and they the deciples did not like it; in fact they hated her and treated her badly when Jesus was not around. the Bible made Jesus so inconsistent, one has to choose which parts to believe by measuring each aspect against LOVE. Jesus was about love in thought, words and deeds. Peter was extremely flawed and although Jesus loved him - Jesus did not judge - John was closer to Jesus than him. Peter only changed after he saw the "resurection" which was not really a resurrection as Christians believe. Once you are dead where the silver cord has snapped releasing physical body from the soul which continues with the spirit body. Jesus returned as a spirit, a highly developed spirit and Mary was the first to see him because she was special to him..not the men. There is much I can say here with much more clarity thst when I listen to these experts my feeling that they haven't started yet.. sorry! and by the way, Jesus was not tge first to rise from the dead. Everybody who has ever died physically rises instantly...no waiting. Jesus also rose instantly. CE
@mothernature1755
@mothernature1755 4 жыл бұрын
Physically rises?
@claudetteearle3052
@claudetteearle3052 4 жыл бұрын
Mother Nature no, to my understanding it was not a physical rising but a spiritual one. However, such was the power of Jesus, his reappearance seemed physical to those who saw him. And of course the people then didn’t understand spirituality. They didn’t even realise that they too were spiritual beings having a human experience in a human body, just like a Jesus was prior to his physical death. More to the truth: we are not our bodies; we are souls, using our physicality to bring our life experiences (what we call good and bad) to the soul - who we really are. The body Jesus adopted did not even look like the one before he died which is why his disciples did not recognise him...at first; but they later did because of the recognition of his soul...personality, attributes, character, the way he carried himself, etc. But he manifested his injuries just for Thomas who was having a particularly hard time coming to terms with his death. Much bigger story than could fit into the Bible. Ever wondered why we know nothing about Jesus in the Bible, after the age of 12 until he appeared again at the age of 30?
@seanlynch5924
@seanlynch5924 7 жыл бұрын
Paul never mentions Mary in any of his letters and his was the earliest letters . Also Paul would have been fully aware had Jesus been left on the cross . I find it hard to take this man serious .
@tiaprocelius2226
@tiaprocelius2226 4 жыл бұрын
This man studies documents and history. He is the one to be trusted.
@easterlywhitedove1
@easterlywhitedove1 3 жыл бұрын
Paul was very jealous of Mary
@cheryldeboissiere1851
@cheryldeboissiere1851 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, Tia, you are using the Expert fallacy? Hello, Error-man has no source for his left on a cross story. Just makes it up as he goes along...
@johnlawrence2757
@johnlawrence2757 4 жыл бұрын
Just imagine devoting your entire life to a continuous study of the rules of cricket without ever once playing the game or even ever going to watch a match. Still, at least you could write a book about the rules of cricket; several if you played your cards right. And no-one would ever know!
@RoseWhite99
@RoseWhite99 4 жыл бұрын
Wrong it means women need to become strong and independent
@StratMatt777
@StratMatt777 12 жыл бұрын
They made it up. They have a psychological delusion of the grandiose type. Due to their childhood-formed view of the world and its threat to them they have shyed away from being assertive and taking action in their life to get their human needs met. The anxiety they feel about not being good enough (possibly from messages received as child) drives them to earn the approval of God by doing stuff for him, in extreme cases of delusion a person derives meaning from actually BEING Jesus (or whoever).
@beauxcarroll8348
@beauxcarroll8348 Жыл бұрын
I would suggest that to become male meant to be an adult. Women were children in the Roman world.
@nazmulislam5209
@nazmulislam5209 7 жыл бұрын
say what! Jesus says woman have to be male to attain eternal life. don't believe it.
@patriciatreslove146
@patriciatreslove146 9 жыл бұрын
If some of the stories have been altered, then it could all be altered, and that's what the problems of Christianity are, the gospels were all written decades after the fact, none of the gospel writers new Jesus, all the gospels differ, and Jesus said himself that he had only come for the Jews, it was Paul who started all that. Take care, are you praying to an Idol, because if you are G_D hates anyone bowing down to any one other than HIM. search the Jewish Torah for the truth, I am not Jewish, just in case you think I have an axe to grind.
@kumbebes
@kumbebes 9 жыл бұрын
AnarchoRepublican I dont understand you , can you explain what you mean?
@tabbouch7
@tabbouch7 9 жыл бұрын
a lot of truth you said but why you did not consider what islam had said about jesus who was a prophet
@tabbouch7
@tabbouch7 9 жыл бұрын
i'm sorry to interfere but why you don't cobsider what the islam said about jesus
@trevorcorso5994
@trevorcorso5994 8 жыл бұрын
+Patricia Treslove If you are not Jewish why don't you write GOD?
@patriciatreslove146
@patriciatreslove146 8 жыл бұрын
+trevor corso Because it is out of respect for, G-D I follow the 7 laws of Noah, G-D always had a plan for the Gentiles, HE gave them 1 extra law, after the flood. I love and respect my HEAVENLY FATHER, and will worship HIM by following these laws, and taking my lead from HIS Jewish people, they are to be a Priestly Nation.
@Pit.Gutzmann
@Pit.Gutzmann 3 жыл бұрын
The "cast the first stone" story must be fake, because people never see their own sins. They would have just stoned her. It is a story to teach forgiveness, not a real event.
@donaldshelton1720
@donaldshelton1720 6 жыл бұрын
I am Catholic and nothing you say changes my mind about Jesus. Was he married who cares did he die for my sins and ascend to heaven? That is the question. as he said your FAITH has saved you! I pray that my faith is strong.
@secondrule
@secondrule 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, this man/god jesus die and can back to life. He should do that today with 24/7/365 news reporting...but he won't since he died for our sins...but sins still exists...he failed
@mrnarason
@mrnarason 2 ай бұрын
Bart was never trying to change your mind, seemsike it's your faith that is weak if you can't handle the truth
@KevinPaul444
@KevinPaul444 9 жыл бұрын
Everybody, when he was speaking of how Peter was a miracle worker, and leader of the church, that is not true, Paul made him falsely into a miracle worker based on a fictional character creation, Simon the Magician, who was a front for Paul really, the truth is opposite, Peter went out to preach unto the Gentiles, after Paul, not before.
@TheOmegaSquadHD
@TheOmegaSquadHD 8 жыл бұрын
+Kevin Paul Peter preached to non jews BEFORE PAUL read acts chapter 2
@KevinPaul444
@KevinPaul444 8 жыл бұрын
+The Omega Agents HD That is fine, but when Paul went out to preach to the Gentiles, Peter had to go to each town after Paul to correct the teaching and baptize them. It is documented in the suppressed acts of Peter which are now only being discovered in this current day, so it will still be many years because more and more people are aware of the truth.
@TheOmegaSquadHD
@TheOmegaSquadHD 8 жыл бұрын
Kevin Paul The Acts of Peter has been known for long over a decade and sounds completely stupid to me. Talking dogs? Its almost as dumb as saying a Serpent can talk or a donkeys mouth can be opened and speak, both which are written in the Bible. Hey, I know God can do anything, I really do, but somethings just seem odd. I personally dont believe Peter ever set foot in Rome
@KevinPaul444
@KevinPaul444 8 жыл бұрын
+The Omega Agents HD I'm not referring to the book Acts of Peter, yes that book is similar to many apocrypha books of the new testament, written by Gentiles following after the liars of Paul and Josephus. But I am referring to the True acts of Peter, hidden within the memoirs of his disciple, Clement of Rome. Have you read all of the Recognitions of Clement? Here is a link - www.studylight.org/history/early-church-fathers/view.cgi?sid=ant&aid=08-04 A lot of what I am about to say below is affirmed in the Recognitions of Clement, even with it being a still Greek doctrine handed down to us, so just imagine what the unedited Aramaic or Hebrew doctrine would have sounded like, it just would have been all the more clear, not to follow Paul. I also agree that Peter did not go to Rome, and was also not crucified, as pointed out within those books I am referring to. The followers of the apostles believed in the Ascension, not the Resurrection, simply meaning that the Christ "rose" into heaven in spirit, and not as if a zombie risen from the grave. But referring to how he ate bread with them after the crucifixion, that is because he was let down from the cross, as told from Josephus, and in the Dead Sea Scrolls. And he was exiled to England, as some researchers have come across, Mary Magdalene was separated and exiled to France. That is why there is a legacy of them in England and France, because it is true. Surely the truth has been omitted form history, and the way for us to find it is to gather bits and pieces of it, and put them together. In my investigation I have concluded that the apostles were Essene Nazarenes, and that the Zealots and Sicarii were branches of the Sadducees - just what they did not want us to figure out. The Herodians were aligned with the Sadducees, and Paul was really a Herodian. Both of these parties were aligned with the Romans. By the time of the fall of the city, the majority of the public were aligned with the Nazarene church under James the Just, but he was stoned, which led to civil war. Finally the people saw that the Essene way of life gained prominence, but shortly after the Romans, Sadduccees, and Herodians, destroyed everyone siding with the Nazarenes or Essenes and then had a goal to eliminate all Essene bloodlines and historical remnant of their existence, which is what we see, the true church was destroyed and false doctrines were written over it, pretending to stem from the truth. That is why Paul speaks about the Nazarenes with contempt in his early letters, his new church is one of greed and animosity because he is destroying the source and starting from his own agenda. Nobody knows any of this specifically because Paul and the historian Josephus are liars, if people understood that they were complete liars Christianity would be the opposite of what it is.
@TheOmegaSquadHD
@TheOmegaSquadHD 8 жыл бұрын
Kevin Paul Its funny how Peter and paul preached a different message. Peter taught the Law of Moses and good deeds would save you. Paul taught that faith alone and sometimes good behavior would save you because of a dead man. The Bible says no man can die for the sins of another
@JapanJohnny2012
@JapanJohnny2012 11 жыл бұрын
very interesting. thankyou for uploading
@Godsvessel4truth
@Godsvessel4truth 4 жыл бұрын
God tells us he will send a strong delusion (these occult/gnostic templar heresies that corrupt scripture by adding to it or taking away from it and then blaming the church for doing it) for those who do not have a love of the truth (the word of god).
@tedgrant2
@tedgrant2 4 жыл бұрын
You say that the god of Israel tells us he will send a strong delusion. I'd like to know your source. It sounds interesting. You mention the "word of the god" and again I'd like your source. Thank you.
@Godsvessel4truth
@Godsvessel4truth 3 жыл бұрын
@@tedgrant2 God is no longer the God of physical Israel (who he divorced in the pisces age new testament age by creating all things new and spiritual. This was made clear through all the warning prophecies about the coming destruction in 70ad. He is now the God of spiritual israel meaning all of humanity who come to christ Jesus who fulfilled the physical and literal requirements of Israel in a spiritual way, making anyone who believes in him and follows him now also spiritual israel). Its so funny when people still call him the God of Israel like they are stuck in the past. He is now the God of spiritual israel (who is Jesus and his body of believers and follower, also known as christians).
@tedgrant2
@tedgrant2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Godsvessel4truth I don't think the Israelites would agree with your analysis. The Bible was written by the Israelites, so I would turn to them for any further information about it. As I am a Gentile, I feel rather left out of the plans of Jesus. As you know he was sent to save the Lost Sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24)
@tedgrant2
@tedgrant2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Godsvessel4truth In my Bible, the term, "God of Israel" appears over 200 times. All the way from Exodus to Luke (who wrote "blessed be the Lord God of Israel"). I don't live in Israel. I am a Gentile.
@tedgrant2
@tedgrant2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Godsvessel4truth Christianity, as it came to my country, was invented in Rome a long time ago. If it wasn't for the Roman Empire, Christianity would have died out a long time ago. Christianity is a corruption of Judaism and was rejected by the Jewish scholars as blasphemy. Protestantism is a corruption of Roman Catholicism and many protestants were burned for heresy.
@johnsmith-be3on
@johnsmith-be3on 12 жыл бұрын
the best selling book of all time is harry potter. What else is this guy lying about? But this is only for those who have ears, those who have eyes
@newdawnrising8110
@newdawnrising8110 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is the most lost christian on the planet. He’s too smart for his own good. All he needs to get is the implications of the trinity and the incarnation but his consciousness is t ready to see yet. He’s going to have to suffer really badly to break that arrogant self will bc his love of God won’t get him there... Don’t let his sickness of doubt make you sick too.
@rayrainer985
@rayrainer985 3 жыл бұрын
God, the creator gave you the power of reason. Why would you not use it? Why would you spend your life in an illusion of man's making? We know that man can be corrupt and evil? It is your duty to seek the truth, no matter where it takes you. Why would you want to live a life of falsehood? How will that benefit you? As you can see what happens when people suspend their reason, they end up following someone like Jim Jones that leads to a bad end.
@Thesortvokter
@Thesortvokter 12 жыл бұрын
Well, the most sold, the most printed, who knows, Gutenberg and keeping records and stuff, but would you agree that it's a race between the bible and Harry Potter? I think his intentions are honourable...yours are not...
@StratMatt777
@StratMatt777 12 жыл бұрын
Plus, Jesus has never been "present in the holy eucharist", which is of course mythical Catholic pagan ritual idolatry stuff. That's the iron-clad 100% guarantee that this person has no actual connection to Jesus.
@rachie_sherlock
@rachie_sherlock 3 жыл бұрын
Mary Magdalene did write something for us her gospel it just isn't included in the bible but you can still read it and Thomas I urge you all to type in the gospel of Thomas it's got some very nice things we haven't heard before x Thomas's view 💋 whatever anyone believes remember to be kind that's all I pray for today. Mean evil and arrogant people to chill out and behave 🤣 oh just heard further through they do discuss her gospel. That's good then. If you've just seen jesus be raised and go to heaven. And believe he is son. It would be scary still to be hunted down and killed but their death wouldn't of been so scary cos they know....they are going to heaven. Its us who haven't seen who still believe where it's more scary. We have to make our minds up they physically saw! Xx how they all died was kinda mean and execution etc but upon their death they must of known any moment now I will be with jesus again. I'm so interested in all religions and what they value
@movieklump
@movieklump 6 жыл бұрын
The prophet makes big profits.
@cesarmonterroza577
@cesarmonterroza577 5 жыл бұрын
N Philip gospel told most of the truth
@elbertderf803
@elbertderf803 6 жыл бұрын
he was boffing Mary the M and had kids with her.
@LethalBubbles
@LethalBubbles 4 жыл бұрын
We've all known since historical times women are perfect and to get to heaven you have to become one
@micheal74rich
@micheal74rich 11 жыл бұрын
Thank God for Islam, simple as A, B, C and 1, 2, 3.
@MurrayEstes
@MurrayEstes 4 жыл бұрын
Peter the necrophiliac? Realms of the Dead?
@tabbouch7
@tabbouch7 9 жыл бұрын
if you think a little that jesus was a prophet your problems in chrystianity will be solved easily
@TheOmegaSquadHD
@TheOmegaSquadHD 8 жыл бұрын
+AnarchoRepublican jesus WAS A PROPHET. The jews said it in the gospels and jesus himself said he was a prophet
@tabbouch7
@tabbouch7 8 жыл бұрын
+AnarchoRepublican hhhhhhh can you say why please?
@TheOmegaSquadHD
@TheOmegaSquadHD 8 жыл бұрын
AnarchoRepublican I dont beLIEve in the virgin birth lie. Of course God can come to earth, he was here when Adam and Eve were in eden. However Jesus is not God. Your Quran says one of two things. It either calls Jesus "Messenger of God" in some translations and in others it calls him "Son of God". Messenger of God is more appropriate and accurate because the Apostles in Acts called Jesus "Servant of God"
@tabbouch7
@tabbouch7 8 жыл бұрын
+AnarchoRepublican so can you tell me who was the reason to kill millions of people in world war and red Indian in America and occupation of countries because of oil and raping women and killing of innocent people you just brain washed
@tabbouch7
@tabbouch7 8 жыл бұрын
+The Omega Agents HD Quran did not say that Jesus was son of God
@maryfitzmaurice1421
@maryfitzmaurice1421 12 жыл бұрын
i agree people are confused saten has blinded by ignorance Jesus said let him who has ears let them her! and we need to obey GODS commandments and keep his covedent!
@donnakeizer1468
@donnakeizer1468 3 жыл бұрын
Go to Shepherds Chapel The Three World Ages, The Four Hidden Dynasties, GEn, to Rev, ♥️♥️♥️JESUS HAS A PLAN, HE controls thenegative and the positive. soon going into 2ndheaven. Age, ..... ♥️♥️♥️♥️✨the best in theuniverse,
@cesarmonterroza577
@cesarmonterroza577 5 жыл бұрын
I like what u found about Jesus n Mary u are pretty close to the truth I have some information about it n tha connected to the truth
@joegarry8983
@joegarry8983 5 жыл бұрын
And I believe in big foot and flying saucers now prove to me they don't exist.
@17thSHIT
@17thSHIT 10 жыл бұрын
+Kajol KhanTthat does not mean that the Quran is true, there are many historical reasons to doubt a lot of what is told in the Quran.
@cahuynh7599
@cahuynh7599 9 жыл бұрын
if you are a gentile like me ,there is only one way to be saved is believing in Jesus ,the Lord. If Jesus is right you are safe. If Jesus is wrong you have nothing to lose because OT is for Jews only. And also Jesus 's teaching is always GREAT anyway, Halleluja. jo
@kelvindiaz2597
@kelvindiaz2597 4 жыл бұрын
You lose your time and effort if Jesus if not the savior..
@kajolkhan7933
@kajolkhan7933 12 жыл бұрын
Jesus in Islam is easily comprehensible unlike Bible. He was a man, a prophet, born miraculously without a father. He performed many miracles by God’s permission and never said he was God. Jesus was not killed or crucified, but saved by Almighty God and taken upto Him. He will come back before end of time, establish justice, kill Dajjal (the anti-christ) and will die here as death is inevitable to human. Jesus and Mary are great figures in ISLAM, many verses about them in Quran.
@DontDrinkthatstuff
@DontDrinkthatstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the Quran is based on Abrahamic bullshit also.
@molinjeannot3593
@molinjeannot3593 10 жыл бұрын
Wait this means Bart is calling alot of authors liars or lunatics. All those secular people from those times didn't believe of course they would write their own subjective thoughts. Does that mean the authors who believed Jesus is thee Son of God. God and Man in one false Nooo!!! Besides Paul oh I mean Saul I was against the belief of Jesus being in God in Flesh. So explain that Bart. Like said I subjective stop proving something you don't have full facts about on both end not just one sided track. My goodness People who think they are so intelligent comes out to be the dumbest of all. Smh I follow Jesus/yeshua until I die
@ghettofreeze
@ghettofreeze 10 жыл бұрын
He didn't call anyone a "lunatic," but he has plenty of evidence that the Bible contains plagiarism, so lies therefore DO inhabit the Bible. See his book "Forgery," if for no other reason than that you probably don't want to distort what your opponents say. Too much of that already among the religious folk. This is mainstream scholarship, which few besides Ehrman have translated into clear writing for the masses. The longer you know nothing about it, the longer you'll be ignorant about the history of your own faith.
@frederickj.7136
@frederickj.7136 6 жыл бұрын
Between you and Bart, Molin, I don't think there's even a contest concerning who spouts the dumber ideas in the lesser articulate manner.
@SonuYadav-hd5qk
@SonuYadav-hd5qk 4 жыл бұрын
God bless u
@bobbytanjung5558
@bobbytanjung5558 4 жыл бұрын
May God bless you . . . And show you the perfect way, to know Him. The alpha and the omega . . . Just because His grace we live and die. The God of the prophet Abraham . . . The Prophet Moses . . . The prophet jesus . . . And The Prophet Muhammad . . . Peace be upon them . . . Ameen.
@merlevigil7912
@merlevigil7912 3 жыл бұрын
There is no quotes in the gospels that Mary was the spouse of Christ
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