Peter Pilles - The Tuzigoot Phase

[@sprucehouse9]

Absolutely fascinating, with an excellent presenter. I wish I'd had Peter Pilles as one of my archaeology professors when I was a student. His quiet enthusiasm held my interest more than a lot of other well-known archaeologists I've seen on KZbin (most of them are poor speakers and/or put me to sleep). This study area presented was new to me and his analysis of possible 'abandonment' motivations were very sound. I myself think that they simply tired of something or other and it was time to move on. Some archaeologists have already pointed out that some pueblos were occupied periodically, most likely to return occasionally to hunter-gatherer existence. I also think it's highly likely that diseases associated with high population density and lack of proper sanitation would be another reason. They likely would have considered the deaths due to disease as a 'bad omen' or that the dwelling place was 'cursed'. But again, we will never know for sure.

[@starrrex3122]

peter your the best, grest lecture i was born in flagstaff late 50s 1877 my great great grandfather lived in area with his family into 1960s, one hundred years of history, doyle ranch, 7 miles south of town,, i would love to share

[@SJsAdv]

Good information. I'm adding this to my Tuzigoot playlist.

[@tomwagner6334]

Fascinating! Thank you.

[@DjSubia]

Gila Soladomander aRIOzonan Tuzigoat rancher. Nice interesting vid good channel enjoyed listening...

[@SolaceEasy]

In the Hopi migration stories they talk about the time living along the little Colorado River and that for the first portion of the time they were there there were no mosquitoes and after the mosquitoes came around too many children started dying and that's why they left. Could the same be true of the Verde Valley? Mosquitoes may be a factor. I wonder how this could be studied in the geologic record.

[@BarefootBill]

Wonderful lecture!

[@conniead5206]

I wonder if the aprox 1.8 miles between sites has something to do with the weather (really hot summers and pretty cold winters). I assume the region usually had 100F+ days, many over 110F, from at least June and maybe into October. Being originally from the low desert of S. California I only know that Arizona does have a monsoonal season. I don’t know when nor how often that generally happens. Otherwise it is hot a dry. Similar to our Indio/Palm Springs region or hotter. They don’t go out side if they can avoid it during the mid day. For farming on foot they likely did it in the early morning and maybe late afternoon. If there are no irrigation ditches, then they had to carry water to their fields and to their homes. It makes sense to disperse living areas so nobody would have to trek too far and waste that limited time. The way the stone buildings were constructed with holes in the roofs was likely for multiple reasons. Not just security. Heat rises. Exterior parts of the complexes had windows. Slightly cooler air would be drawn in as the hotter air rose out of the ceiling. Central parts of the structures likely had fairly even temps because the sun only hit the roofs. They needed the holes for entering and leaving and for smoke to escape. When it was raining or snowing the likely had something they could cover the roof holes with. Unless they used it for fertilizer, what did they do with their excrement? I forget the archeological term for poop, but that can be used to learn about what they most commonly ate in each region.

[@bmwman63]

Probably a lot of privacy issues to address, but I wonder if DNA research might hold a clue in telling how the population dispersed into the region and maybe lead to a path of knowing why they left a supposedly stable subsistence in the Verde Valley for some unknown supposedly better subsistence somewhere else or possible multiple somewhere elses.

[@Ashphinchtersayswhat]

I miss cornville

[@westho7314]

Q> How do you compliment a woman or man from Cornville? A.> Nice tooth

[@michaelwiberg7419]

Animals that prey on everything were very common

[@KarinaTheDreama]

As far as the minimal mixture of varying origination of pottery chards, do u consider the fact of native tribes raiding other tribes??? That may explain ?

[@catmandont100]

At 48:00 ..... You might want to Re-Think, that one.

[@GettinJiggyWithGenghis]

These Pueblo’s were built very defensively, I don’t think Apache raids would have done it either, although it might have been a pressure that, combined with something else, could have caused a trend

[@catmandont100]

@@GettinJiggyWithGenghis :...Agreed......As with the Grain Stores attendants, of Egypt. They were people Proficient in tending to such things, because of past lessons learned. Mold was NOT likely in a drought, yet all grain stores were found to be infested. A builder know how to flatten a building. A healer knows how to kill. etc...etc...

[@mikehenry4743]

Maybe Peter should have a presentation on his DUI he received while in a gov't vehicle. That would be a real interesting topic.

[@Ck-zk3we]

idiot

[@BarefootBill]

Hater or maybe just jealous!

[@GettinJiggyWithGenghis]

Don’t you have a marriage to ruin? Some children to alienate? Who cares?

[@ShamelessRambler]

I don't know Peter myself, but this comment is bs and it says more about you than him. Why the hell would you post that in here? If someone learns of something you've done wrong, should we then post it on youtube? what a douche.

[@KarinaTheDreama]

THE FACT IS TGAT U STE IGNORING IS THAT AFTER THE SPANIARDS DID THEIR PART , WHITE ME WE RAN THEM OUT. I this had to have occurred much sooner than us documented. We repeatedly took their farms and trails then started mining. Everywhere I look . Where there is a ranch existed the native ppl.

[@Textemple]

Facts. Also reservoirs, golf courses and inner city housing projects.

[@LegendaryJim]

48:00 this relies on assumptions based on modern traditions not evidence. Whether they be yours or the natives, there's no way you could prove a war party "only" consisted of a few teenaged boys armed with bows... It certainly wasn't the type of force they'd use to attack the conquistadors or the colonists in later years. Do you seriously think they'd send such an ineffective force to raid a settlement of 150 people? We call this a strawman argument and it is an unnecessary one. There are no signs of major conflict in the southwest prior to Spanish contact, which is all one needs to cite to thoroughly refute any warfare hypothesis. Wars leave behind undeniable concentrations of evidence that cannot hide behind any argument.

[@shloomyshloms]

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