Peter Rawlinson on Lucid's Model Y Rival, Bankruptcy & Pursuit of Perfection | Fully Charged Show

[@DavidHu]

Lucid is one company that I'm really rooting for!

[@anydaynow01]

Agreed it's his passion for pure engineering that makes me root for them also, and from what I can tell from various interviews and reviews he has a team of similarly minded engineers, especially the Sapphire team. The Lucid CUV under development is at the top of my list of possibilities for my next vehicle, that will be my way of supporting this team!

[@vickykennel7414]

Best car I ever bought, go lease it, you will never regret it!

[@johnpoldo8817]

It may be ok to lease now with improvements, but it was awful in early 2023 when price was $155K. Listen closely to reviews and test drive it with a keen eye to make sure you can accept its weaknesses.

[@antoinepageau8336]

Do you drive it on long distance trips where fast charging is required? I doubt it.

[@TB-um1xz]

​@antoinepageau8336 pretty easy to do on the east coast. Plus, I wouldn't buy a EV if I had to drive long distance. The whole point is to have it charging in a garage overnight.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@antoinepageau8336 Once an EV brand is compatible with Tesla Supercharger network, it is safe to drive long distances anywhere in USA. Currently, Ford, GM, & Rivian are the only brands that qualify other than Tesla. Without the Tesla network, it’s a risky endeavor for very long trips.

[@VIPP79]

@@johnpoldo8817No weaknesses bro

[@DouglasJMark]

Thank you. This was one of Peter‘s better interviews.

[@oleston]

This is an excellent interview. Great job Imogen & team.

[@andrewashmore8000]

Loving the indepth tech detail. Also find it cool , how he enjoys building things , like his father helped to build his own toys , how he built his own house , how he worked with stone , hes a builder, with ambition. Thats a great foundation.

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

fire your pr team

[@Cameramancan]

What an inspiration! Nice interview!🇨🇦

[@oranjetractor]

What a delightful interview! Imogen, you are amazing to watch - intelligent, articulate, charming and gorgeous. Peter Rawlinson is fascinating and has a touch of the mad professor about him. Truly one of the best interviews in your amazing catalogue at EE. Keep up the great work. We love it!

[@dlhorne42]

Agreed, Imogen is a delightful host! Just discovered this channel and now feel the urge to watch every video.

[@SmokyFrosty]

Seriously can't get enough of listening to Peter, fantastic Interview Imogen. If there was a 3hour version of this I'd still be entertained. However! No question about RHD versions? When are they coming, Come on Peter you are from the UK!

[@izerrandom12]

She opened him really up through her charming way and clever questions. :-)

[@NealeUpstone]

True. BTW, we have a phrase here in the UK "she's the cat's mother" for when people say "she" when their name would be more appropriate. I'm sure Imogen would rather you used her name 🙂

[@maxflight777]

Spat my coffee out at that ! Can you give an example of a tough question? … nope !

[@BillyP13]

He was talking rubbish.

[@nononsenseBennett]

Great interview. Peter is a delight to listen to. His passion is inspirational.

[@kanwarpreetbaweja1698]

I don’t know if it was sensible of me or not but listening to this man talk and the sense & sensibilities he brings to the table was part of the reason I went with Lucid ..

[@narvuntien]

Wow this was a good interview, good job imogen actually, really good questions. I have seen the Munro tear down of the Lucid Pack and that was really eye opening

[@joolsmorgan7032]

Great interview. Can’t help but be inspired by Rawlinson’s passion and enthusiasm and he’s Welsh! Agree totally we should be going down the efficiency line and not bigger and bigger batteries.

[@nemesis2k99]

It's a talent to do interviews - Imogen you nailed it. Well done :) Great to see peter being very open and giving insight into the journey. That being said HURRY UP WITH GRAVITY PETER!!

[@markiliff]

Brilliant questions. Wonderful answers. Two stars twinkling.

[@Miata822]

What a wonderful interview. It was great to hear Peter offered meaningful questions and being given the space to respond. Late in the interview we learn more about Peter's personal history with some details totally new to me, but also filling in how one event led to the next on the path to Lucid.

[@danielpark9126]

Great story about his love of engineering seemingly fostered by his father. Shows the importance of fostering children's interests so they can hopefully reach their full potential

[@rebeltexan1704]

Really enjoyed this interview! I recently found Lucid on KZbin about a month ago. I have been watching all his videos and I am so pleased to finally find an new electric car manufacturer who actually listens to the future customers wants and views ( i am one ). I have an electronics , computer software/hardware specialist background, so the Lucid videos that they go deep into their TECH is what really got my geeky attention.... love it !!! I want an electric car that retains the basics of every day sporty sedan ( with a INSTRUMENT CLUSTER in front of the steering wheel like normal everyday cars ) that looks sleek aerodynamic, but has all the latest greatest bells and whistles tech under the hood. I think Lucid is that company! Thanks for ALL you and your TEAM'S hard work! I know it's not easy, but I feel all good things coming after January 20th, we are heading into GOOD times.... we have our good capt at the helm of the USS AMERICA 🇺🇸 🤠. As a US ARMY DESERT STORM WARVET..... I am sadden what these last four years has been like.... it's time to turn this ship around and go into harms way .... bloody be !!!!!

[@abdulshabazz8597]

Peter Rawlinson explains one of the reasons he left Tesla was due to his being constrained. He mentioned when designing the rear cabin seating of the Tesla Model S, he wasn't allowed to redesign the battery pack around the rear compartment which is why, although saving the enginneering cost, the rear seating is so cramped when compared to the highline Lucid Saphire. He also mentions that any of the big three automakers could have ventured out and accomplished the engineering feat that he did, but they would have had to give their EV leadership unconstrained reigns to design the best car possible (which I take to mean, excluding budget). This in my mind places him among the likes of 1950's car manufactuer Preston Tucker whom designed innovative cars with features carried down to cars today but whose cars were not commercially viable or profitable. So if a car costs an absurd amount to make then that is what your charge, knowing and believing what you have created is the best. This business perpective shows an amazing glimpse into his mindset, which although foundational might be a bit naive. It's important to note that constraining the design budget allows a car company to invest in a new car design while also striving to design the best car possible within the means provided which is the true proving ground for creating something revolutionary the world has never seen or experienced before; it is constraints which foster innovation. Even Mother Nature has constraints. On a final note, Peter Rawlinson had said he has no intention of being a niche industry car manufacturer but desires to produce a car which can be distributed to the masses. This tells me he will eventually need strong oversight to reign in his spending on new product lines to force him to perfect the products he already currently has on the market to help him achieve his long-term production goals.

[@chickenp7038]

probably the reason why tesla wasn’t losing as much money as lucid is per vehicle

[@spdcrzy]

The difference is that here, Lucid is focusing on efficiency at every level. When you do that, the savings compound themselves both in the cost for the consumer and for the company. The only reason things are so expensive right now is because the scale hasn't caught up yet. With the level of automation they have, they're chasing a level of scale that will actually make things profitable. They're only burning cash flow. Cash flow isn't investment, and it's a lot easier to invest when the only thing needed is cash flow and long-term preexisting investments than when the investments are going to be needed further down the line.

[@kenhiett5266]

Well said. There's a very good reason Tesla is worth all of the major auto manufacturers COMBINED, while Lucid is more likely to die than survive. I'm sure rooting for Lucid (and the Saudis to keep the money flowing), though. Although he probably shouldn't be the CEO, I like Peter and hope this company figures out a way to financial success and longevity. Lucid and Peter are an overwhelming net benefit to the industry.

[@mateobravo9212]

Wow! Great interview and so much insight into Lucid, and Rawlinson too. And what a note to end on! - that the best is yet to come😊 Greetings from Spain.

[@AWildBard]

Peter Rawlinson loves cars, and he is admirably focused on the product. Elon Musk also talks about the factory being the key to Tesla's success, and I think that is very important. Hopefully Lucid will succeed. Tesla slightly benefited from being the first movers. But they also managed to make a profitable company after 5-8 years. It looked inevitable, but now I see it wasn't inevitable.

[@marting1056]

They also benefited from the ZEV-Credits from other car makers, you may say the old ice-car-comanies financed the expansion of Tesla

[@skierpage]

​@@marting1056 Tesla got each of its car models to gross profit margin (so that it didn't lose money making each car) within a year of production. Lucid (and Rivian) still haven't done that. They make great cars, but they're not going to survive unless they figure it out.

[@curtisalex456]

@@skierpage Tesla nearly went bankrupt many times. Around 2017-18, Elon tried to sell Tesla to Apple!!!! Also, Toyota and Mercedes were major shareholders of Tesla. Mercedes sold off their shares around 2015-16.

[@maxflight777]

They have missed every promise they ever made. Their production and sales numbers are pitiful. Look at the share price.

[@maxflight777]

@@curtisalex456But look at them now ! Lucid don’t have any future.

[@mchapman87501]

More like this, please. Imogen does a great job of showing what one engineer can draw out from another.

[@papatroll9545]

This is the first time I've seen you, Imogen. You were fantastic! Thanks for bringing this to us!

[@randomjasmicisrandom]

One of the most joyous drives of my life was chasing a Lotus Elise from Pireaus Harbour on one side of Greece to Patras Harbour on the other. This was before the days of Sat Nav and the Elise was driven by a British Army Officer who had got on the same ferry in Limassol as us. We (my wife and I) had chatted with him during the three day journey from Cyprus, and realised we could dispense with maps written in Greek Cyrillics as he knew the route. He didn’t know we were following him, and boy did he enjoy driving that Elise! I was in a new VW Passat (the updated version from ‘98) so keeping up with him was quite a feat! Beautiful countryside, the thrill of the chase, the worry of missing the ferry on the other side. Absolutely amazing.

[@Rkcuddles]

Imogene, you are the best interviewer on KZbin, thank you for bringing out the best in your guests

[@earthzero7]

Great conversation and very illuminating. I don't think I've ever heard Mr. Rawlinson so animated. This guy is the real deal. I can't wait to seewhat they either bring to market, or help to bring to marke,t in the future. Thank you!

[@aussieideasman8498]

Magnificent. I'm going to recommend this to Aptera fanboys. I want a Lucid.

[@ytdood]

Why the competition? there's room for both, if anything, an Aptera would vastly benefit from getting some Lucid help. Though they probably couldn't afford it at this stage.

[@TMan786]

Great interview. I always enjoy Peter speaking.

[@bengrillet]

I always enjoy Imogen speaking 😍

[@johnthick2298]

What a fantastic interview, great job Imogen. It's great to see a genuine CEO, Peter is the kind of guy worth working for

[@davidbrent3200]

100% enjoyed this. 100% in tune with this thinking. Hoping people share this focus on solutions, not politics or self empowerment. Good luck!!

[@ShmuelSpade]

This was such a fantastic interview! Thanks again Imogen :-) You really brought out the best in Peter and it shows.

[@Cyclopsonlyseeshisdeath]

This was a great interview with one of my favourite CEOs. Great episode. I love these cars from afar, and I'm looking forward to them coming to the UK.

[@van123446]

Imogen, what an excellent job as an interviewer. You really put him at complete ease and allowed his excitement to shine.

[@showme360]

A s a Designer for me that was a beautiful and engaging emotional interview, I don't mind share I had tiers of shear joy at the end. Thank you Imogen and your team for a very special meeting of minds! God knows the world needs more of this!!

[@Swaharland]

This was amazing to listen to. I think I will give a closer look at their cars. Very fascinating.

[@teklife]

i really love hearing peter rawlinson speak. he seems pretty humble yet confident, and has long term in mind, and can articulate it well.

[@dxutube]

Took me 3 attempts to listen to the end of this because I kept falling asleep! Must be your calming dulcit tones Imogen.

[@plin6356]

It's always a joy to listen to Rawlinson. He really comes across as an engineer with visions that can be executed on the actual vehicles. Hopefully, all that hard thinking and work translate to financial success. Also, the interviewer, she's really good too.

[@jarrodf_]

Bravo, Imogen, for the fascinating deep dive. And Peter, for making pound-for-pound, the best EVs on the market. Herculean effort to get to this point. Wish nothing but the best for Gravity and beyond; NB Gravity looks like it will join its Air older sibling to take out its own Car of the Year gong(s) next year.

[@ChavoRoJa]

I have been blessed from this great interview. Peter is a marvel.

[@b6s4shelter]

Love seeing the dolce Imogen charming Peter. What a combo. Great stories on Lucid.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Terrific interview. Enjoyed the professionalism with how the interview occurred. Thank you for the video I enjoyed watching

[@Tomm9y]

A great interview, so good that the interviewer is an engineer and a good communicator. Then what a brilliant guy is Peter Rawlinson! Hearing the story, and now looking at the Lucid cars, I am in awe. They are fabulously crafted cars. For me the Gravity is just awesome, in so many ways. Crucially, making good use of the volume allow the optional 3rd row seats to fold away, yet have along load floor, all in a neat profile. Hearing the story of the Tesla Model S, helps me see how the brilliance in that early EV, has leapt to another level. It would be wonderful to have even the Gravity here in the UK. It is very disappointing that the poor approach of the UK government to the efficiency/usability issues, are causing people huge anxiety, risks of crippling costs, and lots more. I hope Lucid stays focused on brilliant cars for normal people and not try to even hint at the style of Jaguar marketing fiasco.

[@charleswillcock3235]

What makes KZbin great are interviews like this. Thanks for sharing. A good question to ask Peter next time you get the chance to interview him is, "why hydrogen cars will never become a mass market reality". I know there are a handful of cars in the world, but for most people it is very clear battery powered cars are the future to enable the world to move away from diesel and petrol engines. Peter would be far more articulate and authoritative than me, when explaining this.

[@papatroll9545]

Thank you so much, Peter, for sharing from the heart. I think blursed is the word you were looking for 😉

[@NealeUpstone]

What Peter says about the back seat in the Model S is spot on. My first ever sit in a Tesla was in a Model S back seat... just to try it out. I'm 6 ft 3, and it was a definite "no" as an option to be a back seat passenger. It's ironic that Tesla made that work for the Model 3, but have not gone back to fix it for the Model S. I rather suspect that the Lucid Air Pure is going to make production of the Tesla Model S rather unnecessary.

[@SunnyWinterz]

Brilliant interview, host and company! Lucid will be huge in 2025 and 2026.

[@a.wartongarden1957]

Absolutely fascinating interview Imogen 👏👏👏 You are the best!

[@paulbrowne6087]

When will they come to the UK?

[@aculeus1971]

Wondering the same thing. Considering Peter is English , you’d think it would be a priority for him.

[@stephenwensley]

Supposed to be coming in 2025, ,but they might wait until they have that smaller vehicle. The UK doesn’t really need a 500 mile EV, a smaller form factor 300-400 mile EV with a 60kWh ish battery would be better. Don’t know that efficiency will be a big selling point with most of the public though, they might need to find another USP. To my mind they as a proposition are no different to the other dozen or so brands occupying the space, and it’s the packing that is probably more important for me - does it fit my lifestyle - can’t say any of their current cars appeal to me very much.

[@richardn.5548]

Amazing technology, amazing engineer. Very entertaining to watch

[@JerryRigEverything]

Very cool interview.

[@hussainals]

Lucid I'm all in 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@thomaskerkhoff579]

A delightful interview with an inspiring corporate leader/tech expert. Not surprising that he can sell Lucid to potential investors and prospective employees. One can only hope that the goal of making an affordable efficient car. Without that eventuality, widespread EV adoption is unlikely to happen

[@adziuba12]

Love the emphasis on efficiency! Range is second to this!

[@tamagine]

Great interview! Imogen was on top interviewing form, as usual, with some excellent questions.

[@urbanstrencan]

Great interview, Lucid is doing amazing job getting efficiency to EVs, but we need more affordable models from them 😊❤

[@TheRocky3211]

Tesla fan , No doubt lucid have some cool tech , hope to see them thrive in the future . Tesla and the chinese oems need some real competition

[@antoinepageau8336]

What we’re seeing with Lucid is just how far Saudi investors are ready to go to make this project work. I predict their factory in Saudi Arabia will be short lived. Unless they merge with a Chinese manufacturer, I don’t expect they’ll survive.

[@Jonathan-ru9zl]

Brilliant. Hope he succeeds big time !!

[@markot4627]

Imogen is the best presenter and interviewer of the Fully Charged team!

[@thewavehunter]

I’ve watched Peter Rawlinson in pretty much every interview he’s ever done and I’ve never seen him grin ear-to-ear or talk with such a twinkle in his eye but I guess that’s what happens when you put a beautiful woman in front of a man. Good move Fully Charged.

[@Karlito8000]

I can listen to you too all day long… great interview. The future is bright for Lucid.

[@chrisnewman7281]

The most valuable part of lucid business patents hopefully they have got those sorted out

[@youtubeaccount9808]

Could you ask Peter why the Lucid Air is not available in a light interior? We bought a Model S because the Lucid Air is only available with a black interior up front. When I asked Lucid about the option of a light interior, they told me the car is designed like a jet with black seats up front and other seat options in the back. I politely told them we are buying a car and not a jet. Such arrogance to not realize customers may want another color besides black for the front seats.

[@space.youtube]

Karen, is that you? "Such arrogance...." ??? It's like you have no sense of irony 🤣

[@eflam3374]

Listening to Peter talk for a good part of 43 minutes is a blessing my ears needed this week.

[@dennischin8872]

EPA rated 2025 Air Pure at 146 MPGe or 23 kWh/100mi. This translates to 4.33 miles per kWh. The 5 mi/kWh referred to is perhaps the in car display, without the charging loss from the wall.

[@namenotshown9277]

One thing that would concern me is the lucid put their cells in upside down, how good a seal is in the cell? Is there any chance electrolyte will work its way out of the top of the cell, since now the top of the cell is at the bottom.

[@ians3328]

Brilliant interview - just hope they make it happen and soon. Huge leaps in the current EV space and even more coming with motors and batteries. New word of the year "asymptotically"

[@andrewashmore8000]

Sales are going to be a big problem for Lucid , yes they have a brilliantly engineered product , but they lack the first mover advantage Tesla had , they also lack the star power Elon had , has , the product isn't particularly good looking , so all they really have is some more internal space and a bit of extra range. They need something more than that to ignite sales. They need some amazing tech that no other company has yet , they need some sort of brand appeal also. That's going to be very tricky , but there is options they can do. Kudos for Peter for doing the impossible for most engineers.

[@johnreed5056]

" They need some amazing tech that no other company has yet". Lucid indeed has amazing tech that no other company has yet.

[@lukewdk2482]

It doesn’t matter if they can’t manufacture it at prices most people can afford.

[@andrewashmore8000]

@@johnreed5056 yes I see what you mean , and what they have is amazing, but was thinking of some other additional tech to improve the driver life , that no other car manufacturer has . That would compel people to buy over another brand.

[@LCOF]

Like a loving chat between father and miniaturised daughter.

[@UsAlbanianz]

The future is here, Lucid ✔️

[@beshralkhaled5500]

Did he mention thier model Y rival? I didnt notice

[@unmanned_mission]

one way to increase range dramatically would be to reduce power. Normal people arent interested in crushing acceleration. My car has 150 HP and i rarely make use of all of them. If you have less power, tires are narrower (less drag), differential and some other parts can be lighter and cheaper. Of course you get more reliability too

[@h2rider953]

Everthing Electric looking forward to see the Team in Sydney 2025.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Such an interesting interview with an 'engineer's engineer'. The key takeaway for me is that Lucid have taken a truly holistic approach to EV design, bringing together all the elements of the drivetrain to get best efficiency. Imagine that scaled down to the size of a model 3 and 6 miles/kWh or even more is surely possible.

[@kdkd693]

Strangely, the latest 3000 mile road trip test this week showed the Lucid averaged about 10% LESS efficiency than the Model 3 at highway speeds. Above 70 mph its shape apparently not that slippery?

[@MichaelMartinussen]

GENIOUS!!!

[@peteroffpist1621]

Lucid is number one when it comes to BEV hardware. The technology for batteries, motors, inverters and design. I am a Tesla owner since 2013 and still love my Tesla cars. Elon made a mistake for Tesla letting Peter go. At the moment I am leaning towards Lucid for my next BEV. Only FSD completion can change that view.

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for sharing.

[@judebrown4103]

Yes, thank you for m/kWh! I watch Bjørn Nyland who is a number ninja and he talks in wh/km then moves a decimal point too which I find utterly baffling being number blind. The added info from Peter about 30mpg being similar to 3m/kWh. My Ioniq 38kWh gets 6m/kWh and more, in Normal mode no hypermiling, easily btw and in winter the lowest we see is 3.8-4m/kWh.😄👍

[@yamanosekai]

Aye. The original Ioniqs were outstanding. My 2018 Ioniq Electric easily does 100 Wh/km or better as well. 😂 It is a shame that almost all new cars today don't have efficiency like ours. 😔

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Rawlinson should buy a couple of those and replace the tech in one of them with Lucids and then he can benchmark just how well their tech does

[@phillyphil1513]

# RAWLINSON UNLEASHED

[@ZaphodTube]

When I am rich, I will pay for an interview with her. Brilliantly done.

[@xxwookey]

It's always interesting to listen to Rawlinson. Now if they could just make a van like the Stella Vita that had a pretty good Cd and remarkably small frontal area so you got a useful size van but could still move around on sensible amounts of juice. Looks like it had 373 miles from a 60kWh battery which is 6.2 miles per kWh. Pretty amazing for such a big vehicle.

[@skierpage]

Lucid has no plans to make such a vehicle.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Seems like a father daughter interview. Good information with mostly soft-ball questions. Missing was 1-2 hard ones.

[@cipnt]

Great interview!

[@Jojo-o6o6w]

Im rooting for Lucid, the more EV makers the better... but they are far from a "rival" to Tesla

[@krzysztofcwik5347]

Bring Lucid Gravity Pure to EU - steel roof, maybe no air ride, consider 3 seats in middle row, not bench - for big family usage.

[@ians3328]

As long as it is a sensible size. All these cars made in US seem to be very wide and tricky on UK roads and carparks. Got a feeling that Rivian Compact will be too wide for my interest

[@Rufus2005f1]

Really interesting interview, thank you

[@maxflight777]

*He’s a brilliant engineer and a super-salesman who has lined his pockets at the expense of Lucid investors* *Lucid won’t exist in 3 years*

[@kevinsmith3343]

If anything could make me spend £40,000 on a car - it would be this level of attention to detailed design and efficiency. Amazing engineer/CTO/CEO!

[@bnnrmn-q1u]

Great interview

[@ramblerandy2397]

5 miles per kWh is excellent but it's not mythical. Some BEVs will average that and you don't have "drive like a vicar", as Robert would have it. The original Hyundai Ioniq is one, so that's something from a long way back. Teslas will routinely do 5m/kWh if owners can avoid the temptation of lead footedness. My own VW ID3 PPro does 5 on average at any time other than the cooler months (no heat pump), and during a recent road trip over 500 miles did 6.3 (VWs are said to report a tad more efficient than they actually are). So, as long as you don't do loads of BEV acceleration you can get real efficiency. I know Peter is aiming for year in/year out, all driving conditions 5mi/kWh, with 6 and more fairly easily achievable elsewhere.

[@skinnyweb]

He's talking on EPA standard combined cycle. On that test the best tested is 4.2mls/kwh. That's the ionic 6, with the lucid air currently on 4.1 (although the lucid is more efficient on highway cycle). An almost 20% increase on the market leader is pretty big.

[@ramblerandy2397]

@@skinnyweb Oh I get that. I was writing about real world driving, which is often slightly less than the EPA cycle.

[@hooloovooloo]

“If you know, get a Lucid.” There’s your advertising slogan! 😁

[@andrewashmore8000]

Fantastic interview. Wow 5 miles per kwh. Thats amazing. Currently in my mind a 100kwh battery gives a range of 300 miles. So with lucid tech will get 500 mile range. Thats mega.

[@reaperofdoom6146]

sadly they lose $130,000 per car they sell, he needs to get their costs under control.

[@fayewong21]

@@reaperofdoom6146 those costs was actually to build the factory expansion for phase 2. the costs will only be able to turn around when they start selling the midsize in a couple years.

[@skierpage]

​@@fayewong21 if Lucid can't make money on a really expensive car, it's not going to be any easier to make money on a cheaper car. And volume doesn't help; the more cars it sells, the more money Lucid loses. If it weren't for unlimited money from Saudi Arabia's Mohammed Bonesaw, Lucid would be verging on bankruptcy.

[@peterbunker7165]

5mpkwh as some amazing breakthrough. My 2016 Hyundai Ioniq gets 4.9mpkwh. Where is the huge progress?

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

bad comparison - major difference in sizes and weight. but yeah, they should get one and replace it with their tech and see how it performs in comparison

[@mmmmmmmmmm493]

It's 5 miles / kWh by EPA measurement. That means that the car is tested in all different situations and averages on that figure. Your car most definitely can't reach that.

[@4literv6]

Well said and the 2020&21 tesla model 3 rwd models with the 50-52kwh nmc pack's which weighed 3,560# already got 5+miles per kwh official epa range! Not to mention numerous real world range tests of lucid show it's batteries aren't the size claimed+most reviewers can't get within 10-15% of the rated ranges. 1 pure reviewer recently managed 320 miles at 70 mph vs rated 420 miles of range&used over 90kwhs to recharge a supposed 84 kwh pack. Just like the air dreams use over 140+kwhs to recharge an alleged 118kwh pack. 🤔

[@peterbunker7165]

The EPA test is so much nonsense. I achieve 4.9 mpkwh in a very hilly city. If I lived in a flatter area, I would exceed 5mpkwh.​@@mmmmmmmmmm493

[@jamied9448]

@@4literv6 BS. I easily can get 400 miles in my Pure at 70. I'm averaging 4.3 miles / kWh over 3,000 miles of ownership, which includes a ton of hilly roads for commute and AC on almost all the time over summer. My best was 5.8 miles / kWh on a 140 mile road trip (~55mph most of it, no AC)

[@azozazoz4117]

The highest paid CEO in the entire world of a company that burns money like crazy

[@littlefishy02]

As soon as it becomes affordable, I'm snagging one

[@apobabook3145]

very cool!

[@TeaBreak.]

The classic Ioniq would do 5.7 or 6.2 miles/kWh long distance on the motorway in the Summer. I did 3 Summers in one, 35k miles a year.

[@ashtontechhelp]

The Ionic was a very efficient car. if we account for frontal area (cd/a, as Peter points out), the ionic has a frontal area of 2.639 m2 vs the Lucid with 2.734 m2 - which gives the Ionic the opportunity to offset its Cd of 2.4 vs the Lucid with 0.21. It's also over 700Kg lighter, which certainly makes a very big difference, particularly when your are accelerating and decelerating a lot.

[@dominicgoodwin1147]

Consumption vs efficiency is a localised thing and it would have been good to start adopting the way of thinking used across all of the rest of Europe, who always thought in litres per 100km, not miles per gallon.

[@maxflight777]

Imogen is utterly gorgeous, but failed to ask any tough questions.

[@RorySeanWainer]

He did a great job of the Model S, so I'm sure the Lucid Air is so much better. Pity they don't have a RHD version yet.