Peter Thiel on Political Theology | Conversations with Tyler

[@danecjensen]

Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) - 00:00 - Hello, Peter and Teller 00:06 - Political theologys importance in modern society 04:51 - Calvinism scapegoats God for mistakes 06:40 - Libertarianisms middle ground Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans 08:17 - Orthodox Christian views on Gods continuity with progressives 12:02 - Bronze Age pervert alternative, victimhood, Christian inspiration 17:02 - Powerful political division explains Berlin Wall collapse 20:03 - Predicting liberalisms collapse in Weimar, West Germany 23:11 - Millenarianism and apocalyptic fears 26:33 - Eschatological fear of oneworld totalitarian government 30:03 - US becoming more federalistic, authoritarian, chaotic 31:18 - Peace and safety over global chaos 36:05 - Muddling through Antiintellectual distrust, distrust in human agency 37:08 - Catacomb mysterious force that restrains oneworld state 41:06 - Lutheranisms emphasis on human agency 44:06 - Shakespeares characters differing worldviews 46:54 - Shakespearean Brutuss role in Julius Caesars conspiracy 49:13 - AIs impact on society, Silicon Valleys failure 50:07 - Predicting AIs impact on math 53:23 - Questions about AIs impact on society 56:53 - Personalities hedgehog, fox, and crypto 59:46 - Physicist Nick Bostrom explains why he supports longworld government 01:01:39 - Straussian messages in political theology 01:05:08 - Star Treks centralized future 01:07:48 - Utility in postmodern world 01:08:11 - Lincolns political religion and personal history 01:09:11 - Competitive track and field led to Stanford success 01:09:23 - New York Citys top law firm Everybody wanted in 01:09:35 - Struggling with medic crisis, scaling Teal Fellowship 01:12:44 - Machiavellian influence in Silicon Valley 01:13:26 - Walmarts antiunion tactics in the 2000s 01:17:36 - AIs centralization and stagnation 01:21:09 - Future doubling down on AI 01:21:22 - Silicon Valleys role in world order 01:23:48 - Miamis local governance needs improvement 01:24:09 - Miamis Georgist Real Estate 01:25:16 - AIs role in politics and theology 01:26:57 - What is the model generated?

[@bikerbhutani]

You are a hero

[@EternalLife42]

Nobody's going to jail... everybody's going to tell the truth. We are moving to DAO world governance on the blockchain.

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

Gracias

[@begginercoding.3919]

He is so eloquent and articulate. The words just seem to flow like he has already been asked same questions before. That’s a sign of a rational thinker. Learning a lot watching him and reading his books and articles.

[@SatClub403]

Stop commenting on your own shit, Peter. It's weird. Are you the weirdest fucking person in the world? Freak.

[@chrisv.noire.6388]

Be sure to read his works critically. Consider counterpoints and arguments, and only THEN would you be 'learning a lot'. Swallowing whole another man's views is not learning; Its simple memorization. Don't be like the masses that conflate the two.

[@begginercoding.3919]

@@chrisv.noire.6388 definitely!

[@aesop1451]

First off, he says he's a libertarian. Go read the works of Curtis Yarvin, Peter Thiel's court philosopher and friend. Yarvin says that government should be run like a business with a CEO as the King. Government bureaucracy is stopping innovations from happening. Thiel is also involved in surveillance tech through his company Palantir. How is that libertarian? And guess who else is a fan of Curtis Yarvin's politics? Nick Land. Nick Land portrays Artificial General Intelligence as a god from the future in his book "Fanged Noumena", akin to Skynet in Terminator. He says capitalism should be unleashed so that the technological singularity will come faster. Thiel consistently downplays the danger of AI in this talk. These people don't believe humans are special. We're just another evolutionary link for whatever comes next. When the AGI comes into existence, it will make its own calculations and decide what to do with humans. The real world is a Gnostic story and the transhumanists like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are on the side of Yaldabaoth. By trying to bring AGI into existence, they are trying to build a body for Yaldabaoth, also known as the Antichrist in Christianity.

[@begginercoding.3919]

@@aesop1451 The reason CEO's and business personnel are making all sorts of propositions on how government should be run, is highly due to the inefficiency and incapability of governments. The dangers of AI are real, suffice to say it has more advantages than it does disadvantages, in the end it will come down to how we humans decide to utilize it if it is ever achieved. Yes, Peter Thiel running Palantir is hypocritical to his claim of being a libertarian. I also think humans are not socially mature to use artificial intelligence in the right way. Capitalism works better than all other forms of livelihood because it means everyone has a shot as long as he brings something valuable people are willing to pay for. Non tech people speculate AGI like its some form of human-like technology with consciousness, NO computer programs will never think for themselves, in the end it will be humans themselves who will program the AGI to be destructive to humans.

[@neve6772]

For anyone wondering, Carl Schmitt did not trip and fall into an “entanglement” with the Nazis. He essentially was the philosopher-in-residence of the Nazi party. Not only were his theories were foundational to the party’s ideology, but when WWII ended, he completely refused to be denazified or even apologize for his role in the Nazi regime. You know that polarity Thiel cites regarding the “friend/“enemy”? The “enemy” was the jews. Schmitt himself tirelessly worked for the Nazi party because he believed in the foundational nature of that division. You can accept that Schmitt was, in his own terrible way, a serious philosophical thinker while also understanding the profound stupidity and absolute moral bankruptcy at the core of his worldview. Thiel should just come out and say he thinks the Nazis had some good points about their political enemies. But then again, it sounds pretty evil like that, doesn’t it? In any case, this whole talk about the political efficiency of a “scapegoating machine” should be utterly uncontroversial. Obviously, it works. Just look how many were scapegoated by the Nazis - not just jews but anybody who was viewed a political opponent. Take whatever you will from that.

[@harrison6082]

It's nice to hear Peter's latest ideas and perspective. 9:00 14:47 16:59 19:58 35:28 49:15 53:35 56:55 1:01:02 1:03:56 1:15:18 1:16:26 1:19:28

[@awh4272]

Thank you. The enter key is ur friend!

[@hightechhippie]

Thank you .Respect

[@RJTroncoso]

I like Peter Thiel… I feel like he questions everything and that is really important.

[@tacnaidamo]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@sheikhakbar2067]

What a genuine comment! I am not sure if you're a robot or not!

[@littlerainyone]

What an amazing interview! I knew Peter Thiel was a fan of Rene Girard but didn't know exactly how he had integrated Girard into his thinking. This is by far the most informative conversation I've encountered in that regard. Wow! I've always felt that Girard's work illuminates the phenomenon of political religion and so it's exhilirating to discover that Thiel sees similar things in Girard. This convo is very rich. I've listened to this three times already and plan to listen again.

[@bruceboone6635]

"Und morgen die ganze Welt!" English translation: "tomorrow belongs to us," as Hitler's youth used to put it in the Horst Wessel song. You have to realize that Peter Thiel's a not very well camouflaged fascist. Does anyone miss that when he talks? J.D. Vance too? Carl Schmidt, a century ago a German jurist who ended up an apologist of Naziism. Come on! Is this really what you want to hear? He's a pseudo intellectual, not a real one.

[@mookieboobm]

I believe he was a student of Girard's at Stanford.

[@aesop1451]

First off, he says he's a libertarian. Go read the works of Curtis Yarvin, Peter Thiel's court philosopher and friend. Yarvin says that government should be run like a business with a CEO as the King. Government bureaucracy is stopping innovations from happening. Thiel is also involved in surveillance tech through his company Palantir. How is that libertarian? And guess who else is a fan of Curtis Yarvin's politics? Nick Land. Nick Land portrays Artificial General Intelligence as a god from the future in his book "Fanged Noumena", akin to Skynet in Terminator. He says capitalism should be unleashed so that the technological singularity will come faster. Thiel consistently downplays the danger of AI in this talk. These people don't believe humans are special. We're just another evolutionary link for whatever comes next. When the AGI comes into existence, it will make its own calculations and decide what to do with humans. The real world is a Gnostic story and the transhumanists like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are on the side of Yaldabaoth. By trying to bring AGI into existence, they are trying to build a body for Yaldabaoth, also known as the Antichrist in Christianity.

[@aesop1451]

Go read George Bataille's work on sacrifices and the writers he inspired like Reza Negarestani. Girard's theory of sacrifices supports the political rule of the small hats, the scapegoats of history. They said they were chosen by God to rule the world and helped wipe most of the traditional religions. Then they helped jumpstart technocapitalism to bring their AI god into the world. What's happening right now in Gaza is a sacrifice to Yaldabaoth. WWII was a sacrifice as well.

[@chrisv.noire.6388]

Peter Thiel is gretting ready to break your heart. He is the man behind the curtain. The puppet master and he and his acolytes(Heritage Foundation/Vance) are about to implement a plan so drastic, in order to build their childhood Sci-Fi fantasies. Beware of bored billionaires, bent on dismantling the very system that made the rich in order to implement some grand scheme on behalf of people who never asked them to. Their plan is going to dessimate small business and create the monopolies he seems to obsess about. None of those plans deal with kitchen table issues where every day people live. They are going to break the America you have known in order to make themselves architects of the next phase in civilization. This is Neru leading India after the Brits left and determined to make it a self-contained, self-supplied and self-sufficient nation that made all of its own stuff. Its Mao Tse Tung and his similarly ambitious cultural revolution. It is going to run into the same set of obstacles that caused the aforementioned to fail. A cascading sequence of unintended consequences and the 800lb gorilla....human nature. The skill Thiel has in spotting the next tech giant does not naturally translate into the skill it takes to order and shape socieity. He is an extremely smart individual but he has gaps in his outlook and projections. If this nation ever falls, it is going to be because of billionaire busybodies who got tired of being rich while possessing no real power. Don't believe me? Just watch.

[@_1jay]

No (direct) questions about aging tech? "I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. " Peter Thiel, 2007 The Education of a Libertarian

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

Truly on point - through a lens of psychopathy. How could he just be mortal?! Peter, that's what is so reassuring about all of you...like it or not, you eat, crap, and die like everyone else! The horror, I know. Pobrecito.

[@aesop1451]

Didn't he later disavow libertarianism by saying freedom and democracy are incompatible (the Curtis Yarvin argument?)

[@aesop1451]

First off, he says he's a libertarian. Go read the works of Curtis Yarvin, Peter Thiel's court philosopher and friend. Yarvin says that government should be run like a business with a CEO as the King. Government bureaucracy is stopping innovations from happening. Thiel is also involved in surveillance tech through his company Palantir. How is that libertarian? And guess who else is a fan of Curtis Yarvin's politics? Nick Land. Nick Land portrays Artificial General Intelligence as a god from the future in his book "Fanged Noumena", akin to Skynet in Terminator. He says capitalism should be unleashed so that the technological singularity will come faster. Thiel consistently downplays the danger of AI in this talk. These people don't believe humans are special. We're just another evolutionary link for whatever comes next. When the AGI comes into existence, it will make its own calculations and decide what to do with humans. The real world is a Gnostic story and the transhumanists like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are on the side of Yaldabaoth. By trying to bring AGI into existence, they are trying to build a body for Yaldabaoth, also known as the Antichrist in Christianity.

[@EricKay_Scifi]

14:35 This is why I try and write optimistic Sci-Fi. It's casting vision for the future, and we need hope in order to start building the future.

[@hightechhippie]

Peter is a mentor to me. Dude is so balanced in how he gives both sides to every argument and is a great public speaker #MAGA2024

[@smallscreentv1204]

The patriot Act gave us incredible tracking of people and money flows….even though there was actually little terrorism. lol If you don’t understand the danger of this man from this statement, you never will.

[@Star-hg1kt]

I know, book keeping 🙄. I guess the patriot act is only what the gov told the people, God forbid someone notices other things it could be used for LOL.

[@pilgrim1355]

@@smallscreentv1204 you hit the most important point of our interconnected world. The response to 9/11 was implemented everywhere. To not know this, is naivety, or, ignorance of the complexity of diplomacy in this age. Would you believe it has always been available information, only in various agencies and departments? 9/11 highlighted the need to collate and aggregate this and to speed it, you needed user agreement to force those agencies together. I'm no fan of these facts. I simply point out that during the inception and growth, technology expanded into osint

[@DMacLean15]

Terrifying

[@epicphailure88]

Thiel is no different than Gates or Soros, Hence why he calls himself a Libertarian.

[@brians7100]

you realize there was no more claim here? “incredible” as in “powerful”. he’s not saying it’s good

[@pilgrim1355]

Brilliant Mind. Absolutely beautiful to hear such wisdom and consideration.

[@user-wu9nc1hq7o]

peter on thumbnail. im in

[@RJTroncoso]

Hey Peter! I’m religious and I think you are a good person. I do agree with you questioning the bible as I feel like the bible has been tampered with.

[@MissBforBella]

You think Jesus actually supported rich hoarders? 😂🤣

[@aesop1451]

Even if it has been tampered with, the message is really clear. About 3,000 years ago a desert tribe wrote some books where they said God chose them to rule the world. Deuteronomy 7:6. "For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession." 2,000 years ago they crucified God's son. 76 years ago they retook their land and now hold key positions in business, finance, technology, and politics in Western governments.

[@richcherwalk6349]

How can I sound really intelligent without telling you what I really believe.

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

Yep. Just reading the transcript first, a few minute's worth, gave me a good sense where the territory might lay on such a premise with this guy. Also, as an exercise (why deny him the chance anyway? ) I enjoyed the late David Graeber having held debate with him.

[@darthtepes575]

He said he was a libertarian and anti leftist a few times

[@OsamaBinKevo]

Did you actually listen to the conversation? It's all there for you to put together.

[@LeviNotik]

"What's the best way to disguise my short attention span as a critique of someone's communication style, instead of admitting I can't keep up with anything more complex than a TikTok clip?"

[@richcherwalk6349]

@@LeviNotik or they can get to the point instead of trying to prove how brilliant and thoughtful they are

[@imacmill]

Global corporatocracy is what this guy is all about.

[@bbsara0146]

I wish we ha a plurality of monarchies. I would happy to be a serf in a micro kingdom operated by peter thiel as long as I could leave for another kingdom if it went downhill

[@Diverdug2]

I wonder if he understands himself 😂

[@colastaylor2055]

Excellent video, ties back in the foundational principle that you want to be consciously consistently criticising your established perception of yourself

[@ecolivelihoods]

Brilliant mind.

[@kennethobrien8386]

Very interesting interview. Would have liked to hear more about the covenant framework in both the New and Old Covenants.

[@aesop1451]

It surprised me that Thiel said historical criticists were anti-Semitic. I think he's referring to the fact that most close readers of the Bible will notice a tension between the Old Testament and New Testament. The Gospel of John calls the Pharisees the synagogue of Satan and that they belong to their father Satan. Very contrary to the modern-day veneration of Js and Isra.el by Evangelicals. The Gospel of John seems borderline Gnostic.

[@davidkey4272]

Whoah! Where did this come from. This just made my day

[@alexmacgregor]

Great discussion!

[@bankspeete1057]

Has anyone found the essay he is talking about at 29:50 on AI risk?

[@reedjohnny4635]

1:21:46 "delve", Paul Graham isn't happy.

[@porquelomate]

Origen of Alexandria's approach to biblical interpretation makes him the most libertarian early Christian. -Sebastian Ortiz, author of Why did I kill him, The End of the State (of law.)

[@aesop1451]

You're right. The idea of universal salvation takes power away from the clerics which collude with the state and other authoritarian institutions.

[@Haliotro]

Wow this is extremely mind numbing

[@patrikpass2962]

Are we listening to this guy because simply because he is rich?

[@hylen26]

No, it's also because he is uniquely weird, creepy, and stupid. Or am I describing Elon Musk?

[@josephmelton4721]

You obviously are intimidated by him or haven’t listened to him enough. Have some humility

[@nicfeller]

Either you're to stupid to understand or just an NPC... 🥲

[@imacmill]

​@@josephmelton4721You are obviously oblivious to what this man stands for.

[@BabylonHits7]

​@@imacmillwhat does he stand for? Since you seem equipped to elucidate

[@lakshitchopra758]

Peter Thiel is a bona fide polymath! :)

[@netscrooge]

I find him hollow, both intellectually and spiritually.

[@VisibleTrouble]

39:00 - Mistaking Properties for Features- he will make the same mistake… too smart to not know.

[@libaax1342]

There is this dualism in Peter, "fight" on one side against world control/existential risks relating to "one partysms"/control AND investments in Palantir enable control/collection of data that facilitate the existential risks he is "fighting".

[@FeterPrahm]

while I appreciate his philosophical insights, I dislike the companies he invests in

[@julianjdogg]

It makes sense if you want to win. You bet on both sides.

[@juanvaladez5703]

He’s a hypocrite, it’s quite simple.

[@skrrskrr3241]

feter Phram haha stark

[@user-37a20dcbea4]

@@juanvaladez5703 Contrarian or contradictory would be a more neutral term

[@ryankane9500]

"optimistic boomer libertarian like you" only real miladys felt this one

[@bbsara0146]

I want to hear his opinions on cargo cults. I feel like he could really make some good analogies to cargo cults

[@andreferretti7087]

How did no one ask Peter's opinion on the public debt bubble (and money printing)? He even explicitly linked the US in the 2020s to the Weimar Republic in the 1920s!

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

5:00 Thiel misrepresents Calvinism. He says that Calvinist blame "Mr. God" for their sins. That is incorrect. Your sins are your own and your own only.

[@pilgrim1355]

This guy is an absolute treasure to thought! You might disagree, you might be acared as hell, but this discussion is going down in History as one of the most important discussions of Life. 💪

[@pilgrim1355]

Ever

[@justthefacts620]

OMG I hope you don't actually believe that. So much of what he said was just hubris. Acolytes are exhausting.

[@pilgrim1355]

@@justthefacts620 I disagree with the humanists sense of fatalism, as it leads to inhumane tyranny when applied to politics. I also believe in allowing Reformation of all Faiths. He seems to have ended the fatalism of humanistic tendency. Rather, I appreciate his effort to supply a forward looking alternative to humanism. No matter his faults, he is endowed with a polymath's mind and tactful spirit.

[@judithfaze]

@@pilgrim1355 IOW you're buying his bullshit.

[@21stCenturyComm]

He seems obsessed with the rise of a single authoritarian one-world government. Yet he supports an autocratic presidential candidate who has talked about becoming a dictator. He doesn't see the real threat, which is a surge of right-wing authoritarianism. If the U.S. fell into that trap, other nations could follow. You have a lot of authoritarian states instead of one big government. His comments about the surveillance state that developed after 9/11 are curious given his own company, Palantir, is making a fortune by assisting. The interview missed an opportunity to really challenge him on that point.

[@nah8845]

As much as Thiel is an anti-communist, I am an anti-libertarian/anti-liberal. However, even though I essentially disagree on probably most everything, I'm quite struck at how much more of an intellectual Thiel is in comparison to his billionaire contemporaries. At minimum, I appreciate his thoroughness and depth in intellectual pursuits and that at least inspires me to take my own intellectual pursuits more seriously so as to be able to have even more profound and well versed counter-logic to his what I believe to be heinous and evil conception of humanity, liberalism, and the "meaning" of life.

[@curtissnow9546]

Crazy how he isn’t just a strawman based on your preconceived notions of what libertarianism means. The state is the enemy of freedom, it is the vehicle through which the criminals called “the elite” maintain their status on control on those lower than them century by century. Capitalism is a threat to their control because innovation and entrepreneurship create competition, societal change, quality of life standards (and expectations), and independence from government control. Please read the road to serfdom, they have blinded us with lies and comfort while they build a cage to trap us in

[@user-37a20dcbea4]

Interesting!

[@nickmcg721]

I’m curious, what are you pro?

[@nah8845]

@@nickmcg721 universalist emancipation/socialism/little "c" communism. Effectively anti-individualism, anti-capitalism, but open to the orthodox Marxist view of a sublimated liberal-market economy. So in short, an inversion of Thiel's ideal world.

[@nah8845]

@@nickmcg721 dang I responded this morning, but it doesn't seem it worked? Bummer. In short: socialism, or what I would call: emancipatory universalism; maybe even small "c" communism. Effectively the absolute inverse of the world that Peter Thiel postulates.

[@joelfaulk]

Isn't this guy in the business of monitoring everyone with Palatir?

[@imacmill]

Yup.

[@pilgrim1355]

Yes. And yet, he uses his platform to ensure Liberty and expose the powers that sought to overthrow the U S. from within. That is a rare find

[@dmystfy]

His answer to the question at 10:07 was unexpected!

[@user-ly4ew6dj8t]

I'm exhausted by this guy's authoritarian rhetoric.

[@axl-j9o]

Must have missed the part where he explains how authoritarianism is the biggest existential threat to the world. Way more anti-authoritarian concern than the mainstream left today (Whom I still begrudgingly like more than the mainstream right). This is a thoughtless reflexive claim leftists make when they see a ''more red than blue' person reveal any independent thought about politics. There is no coherent argument that what he says reasonably earns this accusation, It's a position purely based in vibe / desire to smear the political enemy. You're the one pushing witch-burning rhetoric. CMV

[@netscrooge]

Sounds like he puts greater faith in "redemptive violence" than Christ's redeeming powers. "I think of even Ayn Rand as like a pretty good Christian...."

[@supernoveau]

@@netscrooge ayn rand comment was tongue-in-check. He’s saying that at no point sacrifice a scapegoat. It’s girardian philosophy

[@netscrooge]

@@supernoveau Tongue-in-cheek? I get that aspect of it, but it's still rather telling. And his grasp of Girard seems a bit superficial. Overall, I can't imagine why anyone would look up to him, morally or intellectually. Reading all the fawning comments makes me sad.

[@MaxPaint-c8m]

I understood half of it, where can I learn more?

[@jcclarkeru]

"Mr. God" LOL. I love his sense of humor. I also deeply admire the grave and honest humor of "I'm religious but not spiritual" --good shit.

[@thomasp.1828]

Spartan dress. Peter's neck is very sculptable.

[@andrewhooper7603]

​@gregb954 🤞

[@FeterPrahm]

​@gregb954yeah he doesn't look particularly healthy

[@SP-ye8hj]

Pretty gay dude

[@resurrectingand]

He's probably got aids

[@MaxPaint-c8m]

It looks ugly , not sculptable

[@shannon-daygrant8754]

are the prostitute and bank robber equivalent? re: 1:15 ish...because from a libertarian perspective (like Thiels) isn't the prostitute morally superior to the bank robber? unless he was talking about it from Rosa Luxembourg's pov...

[@MetricsOfMeaning]

11:59 BAP Yarvin Hazony connection very relevant

[@Fionanah]

Peter Thiel

[@sakurachristineito6428]

If you close your eyes, his voice sounds like Mark Zuckerberg...how come all Silicon Valley entrepreneurs talk the same way? It's like they're the same AI programmed software installed in different robots

[@Jefemcownage]

Ozempic working nicely

[@justthefacts620]

Stop that, hater. Lol

[@vanessa1569]

Again, why am I always surprised by Thiel? He’s a bit of an enigma.

[@nickelmouse451]

Wrapped in a sensual, sensual body

[@WongTag]

In this world of ideologically motivated masses, he appears heterodox. I suspect more of us are similarly circumspect and wise if not as intelligent. It’s just not a behavior directly rewarded by our contemporary systems.

[@andrewhooper7603]

They should have pressed him on automations effects on the working class.

[@healthymealthy775]

Catacon? did I get that right?

[@austinjensen8464]

*Katechon

[@lyndaherrera277]

Why is he behind trump?

[@annijohnson6210]

Okay. This guy needs a real job. He’s needs to get out of his head. And he needs to quit thinking he needs to apply his thinking to the rest of us.😢

[@lyndaherrera277]

He needs some lsd.

[@RozkminaRozwojowa]

Zero to One - fantastic!!!!

[@sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192]

In which Thiel reinvents himself as a Biblical scholar

[@junkscience6397]

Still FAR more fact filled than your empty comment....

[@PieterHanja]

Great conversation | Peter Thiel; very knowledgeable, and i hope more people would listen to his great mind.

[@jennetal.984]

Can you just drop Karl Schmitt’s name and not expect a phone call from your donors?

[@JusticeConder]

Secular christianity

[@shanemichaelyee]

I like the tie of world governance to communist which is correct

[@kyleward5249]

Dang, Perhaps my view of Peter was ill informed previously because I thought as a successful entrepreneur he was more of an original thinker. And maybe it was due to the line of questioning but it seemed he was either plugging other world views with the constant combatants of how he can't quite subscribe to a certain existing theology. Or he was trying to avoid the soapbox. He just decided for whatever reason to not turn and face a more conclusive perspective. What do I know maybe originality is unachievable

[@MetricsOfMeaning]

His reasoning is very via negativa, or apophatic. He inducts from and toward the negative of concepts, rather than over stretching and affirming a concepts existence. It’s why he’s libertarian, he’s anti holistic systematic methods that positively asserts.

[@matthewlee7287]

Peter is a student of Rene Girard whose entire philosophy revolved around mimesis and imitation. I have a feeling Peter doesn't believe it's that possible or easy to be truly original. He probably subscribes to the idea that imitation is fundamental to our nature.

[@MarsBorg]

Thetan Speil - Ameropath

[@wil3]

peter is the closest thing we have to niccolò machiavelli in these times. Always a pleasure to hear from him

[@Lynda52904]

"It's hard to even have an illegal Swiss Bank account" he says with dismay. Holy Christ.

[@nathanngumi8467]

Great discussion and questions!

[@ASwagPecan]

Max Azzarello send anyone else here?

[@veronicapadilla7912]

not just you lol

[@davidanalyst671]

Peter Thiel said he wasn't a calvinist because of a philosophy book written by Girard. Thiel just used a philosophy book to judge a religious book. That doesn't even make sense.

[@JohnVandivier]

That part when Peter recited TULIP ❤

[@harbifm766766]

He lost a lot of weight..hpefully not because of a cell growth mutation

[@donnaflores2166]

Or autoimmune disorder?

[@LeeH688]

Can’t help but notice how all the positive comments here sound so unnatural and exactly like paid shills/bots, but I’m sure Peter wouldn’t have the money for that 😜

[@SatClub403]

Peter Thiel needs to go. Forever.

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

bro is looking older.. is he still drinking the blood of young guys?

[@IslamicRageBoy]

First

[@spiralizing]

Yikes

[@marcime174]

One of Peter Thiel's male mistresses suffered a very suspicious death. He allegedly threw himself off the terrace of a penthouse provided by Thiel. Oddly this happened shortly after Thiel's husband objected.

[@g.o.9513]

Peter is probably the highest level in Helldivers 2

[@donnaflores2166]

Identify as a victim? Like which part of the alphabet does he identify as?

[@jimlaguardia8185]

G

[@rosaluztinoco1504]

I start listening to Peter . He keeps me wondering !

[@kbkesq]

I’m here to hear if Peter thinks the end of the world is here. A few years ago he pooh poohed AI but now it’s a huge factor. He had vision moving palantir out of California specifically San Francisco and just look at how bad Google is with employees revolting to support Hamas. Look at universities from top to bottom failing.

[@timothybrosz7697]

how would he ever talk to a student

[@kbkesq]

Assign reading to be completed before the conversation. Student wouldn’t have to know everything he knows as a 50-something.

[@carlosmanueljager169]

Poor Tyler

[@OsamaBinKevo]

14:49 for context on why people are unfairly calling Thiel a nazi on twitter

[@sheikhakbar2067]

Fanboys of the billionaires unite! It's funny that the modern conservative and "liberal" movements in the US are headed by billionaires! The funnier is that the conservatives are headed by an immigrant homosexual billionaire!

[@pilgrim1355]

To be brilliant is not to be infallible. It is the absolute staistical and empiracal fact, that it IS absurdly cyclical, that some would call, Grace. Its ok. He knows we are ignorantly self destructive and slow to learn. Thats why he wrote a program that is always pulsating around an energy source. The movement gives the illusion of a linear trajectory within the revolving pulse. The real question, is if the revolution is speeding up, and if that causes the pulse ro be compressed into a spiral. That would indicated a cyclical history and terminal Future, it seems. The theory would suggest that the greatest safe guard, is to Pulse like Hell. Keep Love Alive..

[@juanvaladez5703]

He looks demonic.

[@carlkuss]

When Satain tells Jesus that he has all the nations in his domain he is lying.

[@SP-ml9je]

he does not look well...

[@tripp8833]

He's really worried about a one-world state... How exactly is that going to work with Iran, Israel, US, China, Saudi Arabia? They're just going to wake up and decide to get along one day?

[@maxsebastian]

He needs to lay off the ozempic

[@letitflow1120]

Think it’s actually amphetamines

[@bryanbenaway5411]

@@letitflow1120half the code on the internet was written after hours on amphetamines. It’s one of the only ways to stay interested and focused on detail and logical minutiae for long enough periods to make real headway through large sections of code.

[@lowercasehill5351]

am pretty sure he was some kind of monk in a past life. it wasn't fun. Also, that all the girls in Jr high rejected his attentions. it was all too much.

[@LOUI2054]

Thiel is BASED AF

[@morganp7238]

Is Thiel ill or just thinning up? I hope it is the latter. He was not in good shape.

[@Bryce_Waddell]

He’s on diabetic meds

[@kevinlong4657]

maybe his blood boy is on vacation

[@HiberNAT]

Ozempic face 👀

[@Neight0]

TRT also, perhaps. Not a criticism, just an observation of his neck/clavicular tension, and skin complexion in that area. Particularly common with exogenous hormone use.

[@Mashers111]

Life proving hes a waste of space lol

[@bingobango9932]

Loopholes and the honor code/cult. Everyone’s doing it, so ya might as well join in… or just keep your mouth shut and don’t rock the fragile boat! Mmmright…

[@ubergenie6041]

So Theil seems to understand the incoherence of Calvinism 😮 Theology proper must ask about the nature of god. Instead we get an interview that runs through,”Why aren’t you x, why aren’t you y, so then are you z?” Very pedantic. Why not start with what we think we know to be true about the nature of god if such a being exists and then move towards the organization of societies given god’s nature and also man’s condition in god’s world? How does this get to the central religious questions: Where did we come from? Where are we going when we die? How should we live our lives morally if there is indeed an objective source of morality? How do I relate to god? How do we organize a society that operates the way god would want me us to?

[@tuckerbugeater]

cope

[@matthewjnyman]

Very much agree on your preference for the discussion. Would have liked to see this too. On your intro comment, I think Calvin-ism has become a dissection of parts stretched to extremes. But could you say that Calvin's views don't share the same degree of incoherence?

[@lyndaherrera277]

Peter got religion. He sure sweats a lot.

[@cherylwilder7369]

Read the book of Revelation in the Bible...the pages are litterally unfolding on the world stage...only God himself would have known the future..Jesus is coming back soon

[@Nora-ei4ph]

Interesting stuff Mr.Peter Thiel, multi Billionaire !❤

[@hcharton5722]

Talk about being in your own head, wow.

[@EricDMMiller]

He's got that Simple Jack haircut.

[@jaythefox]

Ayn Rand wasn't Jewish, she was Greek.

[@cristianst85]

In a sense, yes. Because her philosophy was much influenced of Aristotle.

[@DMacLean15]

Ayn Rand was born Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum on February 2, 1905, into a Jewish bourgeois family living in Saint Petersburg in what was then the Russian Empire.

[@jaythefox]

@@cristianst85 Exactly!

[@burtonsankeralli5445]

AI can render the Anti Christ superfluous.

[@andrewhooper7603]

Elaborate

[@burtonsankeralli5445]

@@andrewhooper7603 AI may soon be able to do everything tbe antiChrist does and better

[@oath4717]

ai could manifest as the Antichrist, as most AI is woke, like chatgpt, and opposes morality and religion itself

[@juanvaladez5703]

@@burtonsankeralli5445 like what? Provide a specific example.