@Peter Windsor: "Hamilton Defies All Human Logic! He's Just This Amazing Racer Still" | The F1 Hour

[@eliotsalandybrown]

Pleasure to watch this evidence-based appreciation of Lewis' motivation and tenacity

[@n.b.5258]

I don't think the problem is with Lewis (or Seb, or anyone) expressing an opinion on pollution or whatever their cause du jour is, but it's what Peter said, that the example speaks louder than the words. Lewis talking about not polluting the ocean, for example, is probably a good thing, but doing it from the back of a million dollar speed boat while on the ocean is off-putting to people. This is especially true when those people don't have the same means.

[@roblucchetti2993]

Agree. I'm a Lewis fan, and I know he is generally sincere about the causes he supports, but that was a poorly thought through move on LH's part.

[@friktionrc]

I sort of get the point….but what’s being on a speedboat got to do with polluting the ocean? Most of the crap in the ocean is from the dumping of waste from cargo ships, folks chucking rubbish into rivers etc that flow into the sea….I mean look at us in the UK…we have water companies openly dumping raw sewage into lakes and the sea.

[@CamLive.]

Privilege as always to host Mr Windsor. Ridiculous level of wheel knowledge on display as always. Hope you enjoy!

[@iavdortmunder8132]

Lewis is a pure racer. He's earned a place amongst the names of Senna and Schumacher at the very top for all time. The fight he put up in 2021 was epic.

[@brendanmccallion2350]

Genuinely blown away by this interview. Really well done and such a breath of fresh air

[@reid211]

I really enjoy these interviews with Peter Windsor. Such a wealth of knowledge and experience that really makes the gray of F1 become a bit more crystal. Another great one Cam! Massive success to you Bro; from Summerville, SC (USA)!

[@JimSemkiw]

There aren't too many KZbinrs ( & humans ) that are so respectful as Cameron. Top shelf. /salute

[@ccons003]

Absolutely great interview!!!!!! Cam and Peter 💯

[@abbasaziz1135]

Cam and Peter are an amazing duo! PW arguably the best commentator in F1. Always a pleasure to listen to PW's analysis.

[@TipoF129B]

18 min mark- that’s why Peter stands head and shoulders above every other f1 pundit out there. I didn’t have tv back then where I lived at the time but listened on bbc radio to the race report and learnt of Ronnie Petersons accident and subsequent death. I still remember how I felt and was just 14 yrs old.

[@rossa23]

This deserves more views. Great interview Cam.

[@mitchlewis535]

I love that you're able to interview Peter! You ask great questions!

[@SunsetWingman]

That title would be more appropriate for Lando, George, Max, and especially Alonso. These Brits and the Lewis train lol

[@Hunter1Lane]

Peter W, GOAT eloquent F1 story teller 🤛☝️👍💯

[@gp92510]

I was drawn to F1 by the great Jimmy Clark...And have marveled at brilliant performances by all of the greats...From Lewis/Michael, Senna/Prost, Gurney's year of the Eagle, and on and on... Worst moment? Senna's crash, Ronnie Peterson's crash...but, topping them all-- the FIA decision to give Max enough forward position to win that race giving him his first (asterisk) championship... Lewis drove brilliant race, saving his tires, and BOOM!, Masi says "Fck that, let Max put on his new tires, let him move up in position, and, fck Lewis"

[@ryukenhondaraiden]

Wow yall still bitching about this

[@Enzoblueblood]

@@ryukenhondaraiden probably because it’s an iconic moment in f1 history, like Schumacher crapping Hill in 94; Senna crapping Prost 1990

[@talbotbid011]

Is that what Masi said? 😅

[@gauravmalltarlok5354]

@@ryukenhondaraiden As people should be. I don't see the same energy when people talk about past controversies, yet with Abu Dhabi, Max fans get all too defensive.

[@pancon5]

8:15 Great insight as always!

[@butterflym.m3882]

Mr peter and Cameron. Respect to the both of you

[@paganmonkey4439]

Gentlemen thanks for talking on a level of truth, as compared to the haters bloodclart.

[@eliotsalandybrown]

🎉Cameron this is a fantastic video and it's tremendously classy that you kick off with Peter's highlights 👌

[@MrHereWeGoYo]

Miss having him as our guide down pit lane.

[@CamLive.]

Peter absolutely is the GOAT!

[@LargeFry1]

It's not surprising about Lewis. He will win his 8th championship. I mean, he already did, but he will do it again with conviction. So there can be no foul play involved.

[@kruger121akatt2]

Nope he did not win 8 sorry he only has 7

[@displaychicken]

He won 7 and that’s where his career will end. Can’t win a championship coming 2nd to George.

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

@@displaychickenyou are a racist troll

[@dim3356]

Mr.Windsor, I think it's time to approach Lewis about perhaps tying the knot.

[@toomuchdebt5669]

hater detected.

[@alimantado373]

Peter Windsor is a guy you can trust when it comes to F1 well respected here in the UK

[@SuperAwesomeCloudMan]

Something to mention about James Allison, he wasn't technically with Mercedes AMG in December, he was at INEOS's sailboat racing team from October.

[@eliotsalandybrown]

🔥 And thank you for diving into DRIVING and how the best do it. Few spend time on driving style details but it's something I know millions of us DRIVING enthusiasts are searching for 👏

[@ali1981]

I have to say that i have watched a lot of your podcast cameron and I feel that you are a people pleaser who has an agenda however I watch your podcast because I like your guests especially Peter Winsor who I have so much respect for and I've always liked before he appeared on your podcast because he is so knowledgeable and in my opinion unbiased and respectful of all the drivers

[@Madmoody21]

I believe the problem is not Mercedes or Hamilton. The problem is FIA sellout to large corporations. The killing of two things made F1 less true in its spirit. There was a team a small team that was for a very long time competitive. Much of this was due to dominance of a particular engine that every team had the option to use, and the majority of winning teams did Cosworth! Somehow and most probably mainly Mercedes Ferrari and Renault wanted dominance back in the engine arena. The small team of Williams innovated many things to push the sport out of necessity due to lack of some recourses the big three had. Year after year smaller team's innovations became illegal or blocked by a team buying a tire company to deny innovation. FIA has let the big boys make it nearly impossible for any small team to truly compete consistently. Lotus and Williams both were killed off due to FIA protecting the big three and their interests. So many innovations made by Williams and Lotus were picked out as unfair and Illegal most probably due to lobbying and money pressure. Think of this had FIA let innovation happen even if it is from a small team Williams Lotus and possibly some other engine choice similar to Cosworth might still be competitive. With and end result of Russel being a star driver for competing Williams and never considering Leaving. FIA is a business now not just a regulatory commission. Proof is the pump up of tracks in areas that historically have no business in F1 except money.

[@chrisclermont456]

47:57 There it is really!!

[@jeroenbons637]

Last year Mr. Wolff was snapping at the heels of the RB-dog. PUNISH THEM they violated the cost cap. Mr. Zak was snapping along. THEY CHEATED, they must be severely PUNISHED!! Now this year it bites them. Instead of throwing RB in the grave they dug for them they tumble over backwards into the dark hole. For me it softens the hurting affect of the penalties laid upon Max and company.

[@joepzenz]

Great interview yet again

[@CamLive.]

Thank you sir 🙏🏾

[@TheDdahc]

Legendary Collab as usual

[@sspacegghost]

George going to merc has proved how good HAM is. If HAM can beat the best of the sim kids George, hes still got it.

[@Mckorzi]

Excellent, I,m impressed 👍

[@jacobs-pc8tn]

Great interview.

[@garethsigrist8714]

Another fantastic conversation with the one and only Mr Windsor. The word legend doesn’t really do the man justice. I wasn’t aware he was involved with the F1 exhibition, if it ever makes it to the UK, that’s going to be a must see event for sure! Regarding Mercedes getting stuck on the wrong path in this rule set, just the other day I was listening to the audiobook version of Marc “Elvis” Priestley’s autobiography recounting his time as a race mechanic at McLaren. When discussing the MP4-18 (which never actually raced and was scrapped entirely after testing due to it being an absolute dog of a car) he said that their head designer had stubbornly gotten stuck on a path that he was never going to be able to get it to work in reality. Elvis said that the car was way ahead of it’s time and was full of theoretical potential but that performance could never be unlocked on track. That sounds awfully familiar to what has been said about the W13 and W14 doesn’t it? And who was that ill fated McLaren designer? Some guy called Adrian Newey. I wonder whatever happened to him? 🤔😂 Top tier content as always Cameron 👏👏👏👏 The best just keeps on getting better!

[@trincity1]

I read some of these comments and the disappointment is palatable that 2021 ABU DHABI didn’t destroy Lewis Hamilton. That thievery has reinvigorated him, and it just confounds you haters out there and the FIA doesn’t it? All the pundits said he wouldn’t be back and he is back for the long haul. Lewis leads the columns in F1 because over time he has proven that he is one of the greatest drivers in the history of F1.I suspect that the tenacity and talent that has brought him to the top of his sport will enable him to win his 9th world championship. You guys just amaze me.

[@maureenmucureezi7099]

This sounds really logical and just right

[@CamLive.]

Thanks Maureen. He's very very good, Peter.

[@JavierMares]

phenomenal

[@mohammedaneeskhan790]

Cameron do you know if Mr Windsor will be returning to Twitch? His live shows were amazing!

[@Cameron-Cc]

Lives on KZbin imminently I think

[@TipoF129B]

When is Peters exhibition in Milan? I’m there ahead of the race.

[@moosehak]

Peter is an exceptional journalist and knows everything there is to know about F1 but his bias Re Hamilton makes me switch off at times. There's no objectivity when it comes to Lewis

[@michaeldellorso889]

Give Max his due. He’s an unparalleled racer. The lack of mistakes, the overtaking, the defending, and unbelievable race pace. His pole to win ratio in indisputable proof.

[@decese5123]

There is also the fact that the RB18 & RB19 are much better race cars than qualifying, so if Max is gets pole then its pretty much a slam dunk.

[@michaeldellorso889]

@@decese5123 mostly true, but he’s been doing it his whole career. 10 wins to three poles prior to that.

[@peanutbutterpadre1519]

Lewis had the best car & obedient teammate now max has the best car and obedient teammate. Lewis and max are fine drivers but they are nothing special

[@michaeldellorso889]

@@peanutbutterpadre1519 Max is by far the best driver on the grid

[@michaeldellorso889]

@@peanutbutterpadre1519 you are clueless

[@marcusstrymon693]

Red Bull throwing a decoy win at Merc at Brazil to put their dev off and delay a better concept for aother year, GENIOUSES lol This is becoming like warefare, any means are used 😂 Obviously joking

[@jkbzz]

😂😂😂😂

[@jkbzz]

This is wicked.

[@marcusstrymon693]

@@jkbzz GENIOUSES

[@VANITY80]

I would LOVE to check the positive to negative ratio of that video…

[@charleswinter1335]

Lol...Peter's love for Lewis is to funny...

[@caskraker]

The only right thing is his cap. Underneath it is BS.

[@paulrodrigues5562]

I think sir was a good driver in a legend car. Legend drivers are able to win in good cars and clearly sir is not even up to his partners standard in a good car. This posturing is nothing more than a romance..

[@faulypi]

How much if car design is art and how much is science? It looks like 70% art which is difficult to copy.

[@Stantube1000]

Alonso was the fastest driver through T10 in Qualifying according to the telemetry. Leclerc drove overcautious lap In Q3 as well, he left 0,2-0,3s easily on the table in T1 and T13. It is complete delusion to say Alonso should've beaten Charles Ferrari or that he had more than 0,5s left in his car. By the way both Mercedes drivers put not perfect laps together either, Toto said there was more in the car, at least 0,1-0,15s more. Russell missed the apex in T1 even by bigger margin for example. Alonso qualified where the car deserved in terms of position. His whole race was compromised by hit from Stroll only. If not for that hit, Alonso would've re-overtaken Lewis into T5 on lap 1 and had completely different race afterwards.

[@Omar411269]

What kind of accent does Cameron have? As an American it sounds very unique

[@pk1342]

He's a brummy

[@peteracain]

No, it comes down to narcissism

[@kiransv8667]

The thing is from where came is important, now in grid many r saying max is more talented than Hamilton but max had family connected with f1 and he get all privilege from that like couching, connections etc where Lewis he and his family struggled to reach, think abt what odds he faced in this journy that y he is such inspirational for common people, The only driver had some what similar struggle was ocon, its not abt talent its abt the journey, the odds u may not reach ur dream is high for Hamilton, we common people can compare him understand his struggle. But the tv show pundits Doesn't understand it..

[@sakethedpuganti5697]

Lol Hamilton was part of racing academies since he was a child, and he was always given full support and racing education. There are so many other drivers that actually had a difficult journey where no one invested in them. Lewis is literally the opposite, where he was given all the investment and support a driver could ask for.

[@mirianmeladze4189]

with all due respect i have never seen such romanrisizing driver as peter does to lewis this is something vettel fans do. both are great drivers but fans are absolutely blinded by them and even if they hit 19 drivers on track and spin 3 times they say some outer factors did it like some memory or alter ego or some soul of past expirience or raca ala AD21. formula is not just sport fernando sufferd in fucking trashbox in those 10 years and 2 years lewis has 3rd car cand and it is some type of tragedy and suffering like mercedes even made some motivational speach like wtf it's sort you lose some you win some it is not designed by nature that some guys should have good cars just because some people so badly want it. talking of injustice and suffering somehow monopolyzed by Lewis fans kubica drove with white helmet to save paint, he didnt have any funds nobody i mean nobody would invest in him and some fucking miracle he was beating nico and lewis but gues what he never had a car good enough.

[@truth4reel]

No ponctuation necessary? Message is lost

[@hanstubben]

Well Mercedes had their era of succes, now they feel how the other teams felt! Don´t feel pity for them at all, feel pity for Williams and McLaren to stay for this many years out of reach of a winning car.

[@nothngspermanent]

HAM is GOAT

[@MENQN]

That Lewis guy thats from UK he is the same guy ! The real it was the same guy same guy if they get him the right car to fight for Championships It was the same guy Lewis Hamilton

[@patrickoceon]

Because Lewis character is pure. The greatest of all time on paper and skills. Peter Windsor is a true genius, a philanthropist and the greatest pundit speaker of F1.

[@robertbell4455]

I think that all F1 drivers love racing. They don`t do it for the money. I think Hamilton will end up at Ferrari. If they can provide him with a winning car. He would love to win his eighth world title and be the first to win a drivers world championship for Ferrari since 2007. I think Ferrari need someone of Lewis`s stature to galvanise the team like Michael Schumacher did.

[@racemiiklutch4246]

Anyone who doesn't like color should not be in sports at all athletic for color are amazing

[@williamstrooper7150]

So amazing he lost out to Button in the wet and is now losing to Russell

[@tismanasou]

You've mistaken LH with Alonso. Pure Mr. Windsor.

[@talbotbid011]

I love the look on Camerons face when Peter begins to glow on about Mercedes and Hamilton; like a little puppy awaiting a treat. So cute if not for it being tragically pathetic.

[@fredherfst8148]

👌

[@BAndersen-ee1xy]

Leave it to Peter Windsor to exaggerate about LH44. Lewis, as well, being very un-Lewis-like, by suggesting the reason Mercedes are not doing well is because they didn’t listen to him?! Seriously!?This is such arrogant nonsense, I am very surprised that this came from him. This is nothing more than a frustrated LH venting that he was not racing for victory and PW lending legitimacy to this.

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

You forgot to add, Lewis’ boss and 1/3rd owner of Mercedes AMG F1 also came out yesterday to add legitimacy to LH’s claims by saying Lewis was right.

[@ReddDot]

Dude! Quit hating,it's such a waste of time and the short time you have on this earth!

[@BAndersen-ee1xy]

@@ReddDot No hating. Just pointing out the obvious. Lewis is a driver, and a very good one at that. But what possible information could Lewis give the team of designers and engineers that would have made the car a winner? Oh, and he and Toto said as much. Lewis was just venting.

[@BAndersen-ee1xy]

@@sultanoftippoo3857 That is not what they said. Lewis is not a designer or engineer. The idea that the team decided not to listen to some vital piece of engineering info, and that this is why the car is not quick, is absolutely ridiculous.

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

@@BAndersen-ee1xy Not sure if F1 is a sport you have followed for long or if you have followed other series like NASCAR or IndyCar? I agree in NASCAR and IndyCar the drivers have minimal opportunity to provide feedback to engineers and designers that will make any discernible difference to the performance of the car because these are fixed formulas where the cars are almost identical. F1 isn’t a drivers series like NASCAR or IndyCar, it’s a constructors series and the designers, engineers of each team look for loopholes in the strict rules/regulations to gain competitive advantage. Drivers have always been an important tool for designers to exploit those loopholes (Seb Vettel was able to help Adrian Neweys design team to build a rear end of the 2010-2013 Red Bull to rotate the car so it could gain traction earlier in a corner exit than its competitors). If you want recent proof of a team using a driver to help improve a cars performance, that was why Hamilton spent the first half of 2022 trying experimental parts during race weekends leaving Russell to focus on maximising his points against his team mate Regarding Hamilton and the 2022 Mercedes, of course he wasn’t able to design any part of the car to make it faster but what he was saying was the car only performed in a very tight window (narrow bell curve if you like) across a range of track surfaces, configurations, temperatures whereas other teams developed cars that performed across a much wider range - in short he was saying the car following the current design philosophy would only work in a small % of situations. The bottom line is Hamilton knew the car was never going to be a Championship contender if the design philosophy didn’t change. The team ignored his view and continued on with the 2023 car that we see today. Last weekend Toto came out and said the team were wrong to ignore Lewis and all Peter Windsor did was confirm what Toto and most long time F1 fans knew months ago.

[@the1gladiator2]

This immediately goes off the rails. Because Hamilton isn't in a winning car he should call it a joke? Why do you think that by definition Hamilton is entitled to have the best car in the field? He got a dominant car 8 seasons in a row and now that someone else is winning after 1 season Hamilton should throw a fit? What a train wreck of a narrative.

[@dontdoit8496]

Jesus nobody deserves success Not lewis Not merc not max or redbull. Windsor is talking like lewis was relagated to f2.

[@chady1229]

lewis simp boy hes clearly fallen way off george outdoing him

[@stableianF1oracle]

Lewis defies all logic by getting whooped by Russell all last year and no doubt this year 😅

[@f1pro299]

BS to the core by the fan boys

[@yerrie1908]

now some reality, Lewis was in between GP’s to the catwalk, stopped doing simulator work until Max destroyed both Mercs at the French GP ‘21 with a extreme sim race minimized pit stop.(Palmers analysis on YT) I don’t see Lewis racing in between GP as we see Max do with family and heavily money and time invest in racing and sim racing. Lewis is only in F1 for that 8th title, beating Schumacher has become a obsession with the UK F1 world and Lewis, looks like there is something to prove. Lets keep this all a bit real, the 8th WDC is the only reason, we are not gonna see Lewis in a another class after F1 and Peter knows that too but he idolizes Lewis, all fine as a fan but I don’t take him to serious as a analist and certainly not when it comes to his Lewis. All his video’s are full of it

[@carldewet6428]

Are you Really, Lewis? - after Masi AD are you Still the Same Racer?

[@mirianmeladze4189]

jesus christ he realy sad max has some qushin and lewis is some hard fought veteran realy guy realy had best most dominants cars ever and he had 3rd car just 3 years of his carear 3.

[@thezackseven]

I do not agree, way too many people, Peter included only use stats to choose who is the best driver, overlooking the state of the competition. There are other drivers who would have achieved very similar results with the same equipment, Peter if Lewis is the driver you claim he is, I would love to hear your reasoning as to why his lesser experience teammate is out performing him?

[@ReggaeWise]

Everything divisive is from the enemy

[@fups1]

Other drivers just seem like overgrown children playing with their race car toys compared to Lewis Hamilton. He's a real man who has values, stands up for people, and is more than just a racing driver. A true legend in my heart.

[@hamzterix]

How this defies logic?

[@jwmurphyccsis]

Are you serious. Lewis Hamilton appears to be slower than his rookie no. 2 driver, George Russell. Why you are not discussing his replacement given his performance is strange. He only wanted to keep Valteri, as he did not challenge him like George has done successfully. He was the fastest driver of the fastest car at the time, as with many of the "best" drivers in the past. So this worshipping of Lewis given his current performance does not makes sense on the performance facts as they currently stand.

[@adrianbrown4369]

Great imterview.....imagine the monster of a car that could be created ....lewis teaming up with Newie 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@robertjoostens]

Today Lewis wasn't that good, i mean, he looks pretty defeated.... i think he is gonna part with merc. If you read what toto says avout Lewis can look around??

[@DenUitvreter]

What a BS. No F1 driver in history had it easier than Hamilton 'socially'. He was the most privileged youth driver since he was 13, when he came to F1 everybody believed it was about time we finally had a black driver, he didn't have anything to complain himself either. On top of that he's always had this strong British privilege with the anglophonic press with it's toxic chauvinism putting pressure on the FIA and the stewards. Only later in his career he jumped the BLM bandwagon, despite it being very American extremism. Suddenly he was from 'the slums of Stevenage' and he had had such a hard childhood.

[@ReddDot]

Imagine from the day you're born that you deal with racism. 24 rs a day. I would to see you deal with it everyday , you would probably want to end your life after one week. It doesn't matter how much money, what school you graduated from,what neighborhood you live in . If you are black it's apart of your daily life dealing with racism. So until you're black you can keep your opinions to yourself!

[@sakethedpuganti5697]

​@@ReddDot well neither are you qualified to compare the lives of other people from different backgrounds and races because, guess what, you have no idea about that. You've just decided to be the perpetual victims and no one else is supposed to have it worse than you apparantly

[@swim4757]

This is a Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton channel I can already tell 🤦🏻‍♂️.

[@ReddDot]

Then go somewhere else, you tube is like your tv,turn the channel hater!

[@keith679]

lol and yet he cant even beat russell... what are you talking about???

[@Jimboken1]

George is the future for Merc whilst Lewis is the past. With Peter as Team Principal George would have driven for another team years ago and wouldn't have put up with being parked in Williams for 3 years. What a stinking bizzaro worldview Peter has. Fantastic for Cam to have Peter soil his pants in public.

[@dirk-janboelhouwer5402]

Peter i really like you analyses.but please end this Lewis shit. Hè is not special , he is a good driver nothing more and if he has not a dominant car he is just average.

[@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland]

Lewis lost race focus the moment he got politically active for the BLM movement and started kneeling on the grid... . Political activism isn't a hobby, it's a mission that takes energy and focuses away from his prime activity, his racing dedication and 'work'.

[@mixerguru]

right! someone else noticed WTF is he flying that BLM sticker and crowd-strike for that matter the most offensive sponsors period

[@oleblack]

windsor the haliton dikrider

[@RedClaw8605]

My conclusion is that Mercedes has actively participated in changing the face of farce one pure and simple.

[@jeffmattel7867]

This aged terrible cause now Peter is preaching the TRUTH. GEORGE RUSSELL is BETTER than lulu.

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

No and sir Lewis got more points than Russell keep crying hater

[@ktcool4660]

Max was literally abused by his father. Max said himself that he was forced to race when he want to play foot ball with his friends. His father break toys & beat his mom. Jos Verstappen dictated Max's F1 career. Max abusive behavior to his team is a result of Jos Verstappen's abuse of Max.

[@CamLive.]

😔 tough love / abuse. Very fine line that

[@rollintm]

armchair psychology andy

[@ktcool4660]

@@rollintm psychology is literally arm chair

[@rulifaller8474]

All aboard the love Lewis Hamilton/ hate Max train! Max is not hated by his team, and the other drivers on the grid clearly do not hate him either, they probably like him more than they do Lewis. He is always very straight, says it how he sees it, and his team know that. The team was never in a major crisis even though they were streets behind Merc for 7 years, and Max stayed quite patient for all of that time. Lewis on the other hand was given the best car on the grid for 8 years in a row, the longest period of any driver ever. Now he has not had the best car for a meager one year and he already starts throwing the people under the bus, the same people that gave him the best car ever. And on the armchair psychology, if you would really be interested rather than a hater you could actually delve into what people say about him rather than base everything one one story. The general picture then is that his personality is quite a balanced mix between his father ( admittedly a bit of a prick) and his mother, who is apparently actually a very likable lady. And if youcare to see it you can quite easily see both of these sides, steely on the one hand and easy going with people on the other hand.

[@n.b.5258]

@@rulifaller8474 You're right. And it makes absolutely no sense to me that people allow themselves to be so polarized by things that, at the end of the day, are trivial. If you prefer Hamilton, that's fine. If you prefer Verstappen, that's fine. It's even okay to not like one or the other. But all the nonsense with people calling each other names, getting angry with one another, over which F1 driver they prefer - it's crazy.

[@edwinb2323]

🤣🤣🤣