Why Kimi Räikkönen should have FOUR titles

[@PeterBrookF1]

Check out the full video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHKZiYGNacpgaJo

[@thesunnynationg]

Kimi is absolutely one of F1 greatest Drivers

[@Risviltsov]

Raikkonen got seriously let down my McLaren's reliability issues in the early 2000s. 2003 - Ferrari complaining about Michelin tyres cost Raikkonen the championship in the last three races 2005 - Raikkonen's mistakes and few retirements could not catch up with Alonso 2007 - He won this one with a dominant second half of the season. 2008 - The span of four races from Valencia to Singapore eliminated Raikkonen from the title fight. 2012 - Vettel and Alonso dominated the second half of the season, while Lotus lost their form.

[@BlackFantasy470]

Yep. At the very least he should have won the 2005 title. Just imagine how often he DNF'd from the lead or had to start from the back is more than enough. Basically similar was 2003, when McLaren wasn't able to bring their new car and he had to fight for a title with a one year old car and only barely missed out.

[@kwanlinus6999]

Kimi's career basically summarizes everything wrong with company culture in McLaren and Ferrari, some of which lives on until today. 2003 - Sort of confirms the Ferrari International Association (FIA) sentiments 2005- Tbh McLaren were in the doldrums between 2004 and 2006. Both the Renaults and Ferraris (despite being vastly inferior to the superb F2004) were more competitive during this period, while the McLaren was certainly better than the Ferrari in 2005, losing DC as a reliable second driver certainly hurted his title changes. 2007 - His title chances were aided by McLaren's infighting and tomfxxxery that season. If Lewis or Fernando, either one of them scored two points more, then McLaren would've won the drivers champions, though whether Spygate would DQ them from the drivers champions as well is unknown. 2008 - Ferrari prioritising Massa, a great yet, throughout his career, often inconsistent and error-prone driver for the Driver's titles was what costed Kimi and Ferrari the Driver's Championship

[@ballaking1000]

Raikkonen was much better in the second half of 2007, but lets be real here.. He won because Alonso and Hamilton were lopping eachothers ankles off every other race. Almost akin currently with Piastri and Norris to Verstappen.. Except instead of the pair holding each other back from getting to 1st in the Drivers', in 2007 they were battling for 1st and losing out because of it (the equivalent of Norris missing out on the Drivers where the battles with Piastri made the difference).. That's how Raikkonen won, with good driving but also a massive shtstorm within the McLaren team.

[@IanRB26]

Few retirements in 2005 is putting it lightly. 6 of the 7 retirements cost him a potential win. And apart from stalling in Australia, the infamous locked wheel at Nurburgring and the spin at Monza, Kimi rarely put a foot wrong.

[@snobey]

2008 entire season was "Ferrari sabotaging Kimi" because they wanted to hire Alonso... despite Kimi just winning the title for them and Alonso having a difficult 2007

[@birandkoray]

kimi raikkonen is like james hunt who does not care about so many victories and championships one championship by one point fits his personality

[@potatogirlcultist19]

The fact that Hunt won his championship with a total of 69 points _really_ fits his personality

[@f1jones544]

@@potatogirlcultist19 to be fair, I'd hope that's true for anyone, no real reason it shouldn't.

[@daarom3472]

polar opposite of Max 😂 "so Max we're leading the championship by 240 points, take it easy in Q1" Max: "why the F were my tires 2 degrees out of the ideal operating range during my push lap that was still half a second ahead of P2!?"

[@potatogirlcultist19]

@@daarom3472 10 second stop go penalty for swearing

[@ciaronsmith4995]

I disagree. Raikkonen is leagues above a lesser driver like Hunt. He was hyper competitive in his youth too.

[@CrunchyMotorsport]

If he had got those 4 titles, he'd undoubtly be nominated for the list of the greatest drivers, but its mainly the statistics that count

[@SanchezS1998]

Being a WDC, and as of now, the last, for Ferrari is something no one will ever be able to take away from him, though.

[@LeonardoAldana43]

He definitely is. Even during his "I don't care" era, and especially during 2018 and the first part of 2019, you find some amazing moments

[@NitroGT78]

​@@LeonardoAldana43No Offense but from 2014 - 2018 we wasn't that fast

[@LeonardoAldana43]

@@NitroGT78 I said moments, not the whole time. His pole in Monaco 2017, the pole lap that never was in Baku, record lap in Monza, win at COTA, basically the entire first part of 2019 and Portugal 2020

[@CapnFlash48]

I'm so sad I'm too young to have seen prime Kimi. He's the reason I started supporting Ferrari. Love your stuff Peter!👍

[@19megamustaine85]

prime Schumacher,Hamilton were much stronger drivers .

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Meanwhile, Ferrari is the reason why I starting supporting him.

[@1greenMitsi]

@@19megamustaine85 'much stronger'? ridiculous assertion

[@XVI_Calico]

@@19megamustaine85 Kimi had the best prime, It's so much scarier compared to Schumacher or Hamilton

[@Xiphactinus]

@@XVI_Calicoit's always that way when such potential is unfulfilled, who knows how many more wins Kimi could've taken if reliability was on his side

[@Antistar_TV]

The craziest thing about Raïkkonen's title history is, according to me, that his only title was probably "less deserved" than some of the ones he missed (especially 2005). I still wonder how F1 would have evolved if he had won 2005 then Alonso had won 2006 and 2007.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

2005-2008 is crazy period, for me, in F1®, with many many cases.

[@Antistar_TV]

@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 I agree but I’d extend it to 2010 (with 2003 and 2012 as extra extensions)

[@realdaddydagoth69]

he still deserved it the most in 2007, he was easily the best driver that season all things considered

[@ciaronsmith4995]

He deserved 2007 more than Hamilton or Alonso.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

@@Antistar_TV ✅✅✅✅✅

[@DMRetroLP]

The MP4-18 was intended to run in 2003 but the concept just didn't work (Newey already wanted to redesign the car in 2003 but was outvoted and the flawed concept was kept) and the drivers suffered massive testing crashes due to mechanical failures. According to Newey, the MP4-19 was just a rebadged MP4-18, and it worked just as well as it did in testing the previous year (i.e. not very well at all) until Newey finally got to fix the fundamental problems.

[@McLarenMercedes]

In the list of all-time fastest laps, Kimi is third behind Schumacher and Hamilton and ahead of Prost and Vettel in 4th and 5th. The first two both won 7 titles. The last two won 4 titles. Kimi is the anomaly among them with just 1 title. I'd say that McLaren's reliability issues and Santander's decision to develop the 2008 Ferrari around Massa (they wanted Massa and Alonso in the team) was the culprit for those titles not being Kimi's.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

@@McLarenMercedes For me, this is one of the greatest anomaly, in-between two 7x time world champions and two 4x time world champions from different generations (although Lewis and Seb is in the same generation, actually).

[@elta6241]

Once Kimi lost Jean Todt as an ally at Ferrari the whole Latin thing took over. That's how it often is at Ferrari. Suddenly you're out of favour just as Prost or Lauda was.

[@Pete201]

Kimi is shit, overrated af

[@Pete201]

​@@elta6241excuses

[@twinturbo3470]

When Hamilton lost the 2007 title in the last race(Brazil) due to Hydraulic issues in his McLaren , it was amazing to hear people denounce Komi and say he got lucky. Kimi straight up left McLaren because of Championships being pissed down the drain . If anything it just solidified him making the right choice to leave

[@Mazname]

It's quite crazy that he signed the Ferrari contract in 2005.

[@waynetowers5046]

'Bwoah, well I'm not.' - Kimi Raikkonen. Likely response.

[@506thLittleberry]

2008 was really frustrating to watch as a Kimi fan. After his win in Spain, Kimi, at the press conference after the race, said something like "I hope the rest of the season goes like this" and I remember thinking I hope he didn't just jinx his season lol. But the real frustrating thing was that during the period in 2008 when he was struggling with the car, there were still races he could have easily won but didn't due to different reasons. Kimi was dominating the French GP from pole and then his exhaust failed and he ended up limping home in 2nd behind Massa. Still a decent result but it's a race he would have won. In Canada, Kimi was catching Hamilton before the safety car came out, and then had jumped Hamilton in the pit lane with only Kubica ahead of him. I think Kimi would have won that race if Lewis hadn't driven into him. He would have at the very least finished 2nd if Hamilton won. Then at Spa, Kimi was again dominating the race until the late stages. Watching Kimi go wide at blanchimont and then aquaplane into the wall was rough, but later I read an interview with his race engineer at the time and according to him Kimi was going to pit for inters at the end of that lap. I'm not sure how true that is, but if he had made it to the pits I think he would have won the race. I'm basing that on how much faster everyone who actually did change tyres were compared to everyone else still on dry tyres.

[@elijahprasad7884]

Very similar to 2018 with Vettel. When Vettel started making mistakes in the 2nd half of 2018, Kimi was better and faster and could of probably won 2018 if wasn't a number 2.

[@sambaker9996]

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[@NicotineRosberg]

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[@CannedBeaver1]

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[@montypythonevanh]

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[@anonymousfuck9320]

MOOOVEE!! SOMEBODY TELL HIM TO GIVE IT TO ME!!!

[@LethalJizzle]

KIMI You will not have the drink

[@rhatala27]

Somebody tell him to give it to me!

[@keanuwenglorz6045]

Working time fraud has never been committed so quickly

[@zigzagwandrr]

Slightly off-topic, but that 10/8/6 points system introduced in 2003, primarily as an attempt to stop Michael from running away with anymore titles, was a load of old crap and its legacy still rumbles on to this day. The distribution ratio has been knackered and unfair ever since. Even though it gave us some close title battles, I hated it. Talk about undervaluing the winner and over-rewarding 2nd and 3rd. You could nearly nick a title on seconds and thirds alone (and a single win), as Kimi almost did in 2003. Under the previous system, he would have been close but not THAT close.

[@Glasshexagon]

@@zigzagwandrr 2003 was actually the only example of this. But if you re-count 2005 in 10/6/4, then you'll see that we were robbed of the direct title fight going all the way down to Shanghai.

[@AlphaSphere]

Put kimi in the current Mclaren and see what would happen. Some of the greats have said that Kimi had the most natural talent of anyone.

[@aspi7850]

The thing people struggle to understand is that F1 is a team sport. Together, the team and the driver win the championship. If Lando Norris wins the championship in 2024 (unlikely), he’ll deserve it, he should have it, together with McLaren. Even if Verstappen has been the faster driver. Same goes with Alonso and Renault. Is the combination of man and machine that deserves the championship, even if Kimi was the fastest driver in 2005. And I say this as a diehard Alonso fan. I rank Kimi very highly on the list of champions. He won a championship without having the best car and nearly won another in 2003. But I don’t agree he “should” have 4 titles. You could argue he had the speed, but as I said F1 is a team sport, and the team did not do a good enough job

[@liamlaus]

Norris is not as good of a driver as Max, Alonso or Kimi. He is inconsistent and not as talented as some of the other drivers.

[@blackhornetf]

👏 Exactly 💯 F1 is a team sport with many variables at play ( luck is even one of the many different variables in F1 and every other sport ) Statistically speaking, he is lucky he even has 1 F1 title, and a lot of people call Alonso unlucky, yet it could be worse, ( he was lucky enough to be at Renault in 05/06 in a car that HELPED him win 2 titles in a row ..I would hardly call him unlucky....) " Should " implies that the drivers who won the title in those 3 other years don't deserve their championships at all. Of course in reality this bloke is just doing his job making videos for YT he probably doesn't actually belive Kimi should have 4 WDC...After all " should " is a very strong word...

[@fandenando77]

Exactly. He COULD have had 4, doesn't mean that he should.

[@blackhornetf]

@@aspi7850 Anyone who thinks F1 is not a team sport will be very suprised next year when Carlos Sainz switches to Williams and fails to win races and podiums and score as many points as he did in the Ferrari this year Well unless Williams throws everything into there car development in the last year of the current regulations.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

​@@liamlaus Even Sebastian Vettel more better than Lando (not biased, despite I'm Seb's fan).

[@ALSDI2]

Ciaron is that you?

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Not this time! But a great vid nonetheless.

[@ALSDI2]

@@ciaronsmith4995 I could've sworn you brainwashed him with all the Kimi propaganda you've been spewing to him on the podcast.

[@Txm_Dxr_Bxss]

Räikkönen only won once in 2003, you can't argue that he had deserved the title more than Schumacher.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

He had a slower car that wasn't being developed.....

[@evilchris22]

he had a car of the 2002 and was fighting against a super ferrari. kimi thet year and in the 2005 was just unlucky.

[@Txm_Dxr_Bxss]

​@@evilchris22 He only converted bad races for Schumacher to a win a single time and considering Barrichello was far behind Schumacher, Räikkönen and Montoya the F2003-GA was not as dominant as the F2002 or F2004.

[@evilchris22]

Was really strong the 2003 Ferrari. And two things about Barrichello, First he had the 2003 after Schumacher, and second he helped Schumacher for the title, because he has won in china against Raikkonen (was china?). Another thing...is Barrichello. Never has Been a very strong driver. So is not correct use him to compare the level of Schumacher

[@aleksijeskanen6557]

@@evilchris22 Good to mention that if there were reliability issues in Ferrari, they were almost always in Barrichello's car. Same thing in 2002.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Great video! He should definitely be a multiple world champion. He was absolutely robbed of two titles at McLaren due to unreliable machines.

[@marielfernandez2190]

I was scrolling looking for your comment. Not a wild goose chase 😂

[@saiyerugara9038]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Crazy thing is I still believe Kimi Raikkonen overachieved in his Formula 1 career given he had like 23 races of junior driving experience and never clearly had the best car.

[@betaorionis2164]

You can never claim “he would have won if not for bad reliability” in motorsports. Maybe for a race, but not for a Championship. Reliability and speed are not independent variables. You trade one for the other. If Kimi had had a better reliability during his McLaren years, his cars certainly wouldn’t have been that fast.

[@elta6241]

His 2003 car certainly wasn't 'fast'. In fact it was a 2002 car.

[@suomiprkle]

Funny then how merc dominated F1 for many years by having the fastest and by far the most reliable car.

[@betaorionis2164]

@@suomiprkle No, not funny. I never said that a car must be either fast or reliable. I said that A GIVEN CAR may be made quicker this what it really is by gambling on reliability.

[@zachjo1457]

As an Alonso fan, Raikkonen definitely deserved to be a multi-time champ: he was the most consistent in 2003 and the fastest in 2005 (although I believe Renault sacrificed power for reliability with their engine), and in 2008 I totally believe that he got politicked out of support to defend his deserved ‘07 title

[@saiyerugara9038]

Hmmmmmmmmmm... not with you on 08, in fact Alonso 07 > Raikkonen 08 tbh.

[@T0AD0FT0ADHALL]

2003 is very debateable, JPM was also very consistent. Kimi obviously lost a certain win in Europe and who knows what being forced to start Spain from the back row cost him, similar with the German GP pile up. I think it's fair to argue that he lost 20 points through no fault of his own. Maybe a couple more, maybe a couple less. JPM probably lost a win in Japan and arguably Austria too. He also probably lost a podium when Pizzonia wiped him out in Malaysia and the FIA's ridiculous penalty in the USA. He did cost himself a couple of points in Australia with his spin though. San Marino he also had refuelling issue forcing an unplanned additional stop, that cost him a bunch of points, possibly a podium considering Rubens' issues. So, Montoya lost at least 25-27 points, but potentially 34-36 through no fault of his own. There was only 9 points between them at the end, so there's plenty of permutations for both winning it. Having DC as a team mate helped Kimi (didn't cost him points anywhere because he beat both in Australia). Ralf sometimes used to turn into Michael for a weekend - I think anyone would have struggled to beat him in those moods, that cost JPM probably another 6 or so points. So, I tend to think, if their luck was equal, Montoya probably would have nicked it.

[@danieldorn9989]

Kimi is eternal

[@cosmicdust4749]

13:30 That Santander Entrance here in Brazil, happened when they bought the Banco Real, which was one of the official transmission sponsors, so that made a lot of sense to stick with Massa. Santander Sponsoring Ferrari, who was with Massa + being the sponsor of the official broadcast, made Santander get a lot of clients.

[@andreamazzalovo3614]

As an Italian I am happy that Ferrari gave him the chance to win a world championship. Unfortunately Kimi is the last driver in red to have won in Ferrari and our period of starvation from victories has continued for 17 years

[@dattadies8111]

Love Raikkonen but did ciaron smith hijack the channel lmao

[@Francois343]

🤣

[@ihavewaited90daystochangem51]

Not enough cope about the 2014 season.

[@wendigo7176]

in the last 20 years there should been 40 champion winners, Im a Raikkonen fan and imo he should been champion in 2003, 2005 and 2013 based on his driving, 2007 was Hamilton year, only reason he lost was his age/lack of experience 2012 not 2013

[@LethalJizzle]

Commenting for the algorithm. Your videos are great!

[@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158]

Before 2007, Kimi's biggest enemy were his cars. After 2007, it was himself. It was saddening to see him lose interest more and more every race until his (first) retirement. His second sting was nothing but a cash grab and he didn't even bother to hide it. It's a shame, his career could have been a lot better if he wasn't... Well, himself. Still love him, though.

[@eggselent9814]

To be fair his first 1,5 seasons were still pretty strong even for Kimis standards, especially that first season with Lotus

[@swidr5626]

I'd say 2008 and 2009 was more of a team's fault. Kimi had some brilliant races in 09 with crap car and in 08 seems like he was just getting screwed by the team both with that suspension change and the Santander-Alonso deal. No wonder he lost his motivation and was the shadow of his former self

[@wolfgangvan-uber6515]

And Lotus didn‘t even pay him so we can hardly talk about a cash grab. From 2014-2018 then he had to play second fiddle to Alonso and Vettel and had no chance against the dominant Mercedes until 2017 when his best years were almost certainly behind him.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Had nothing to do with losing interest.....had to do with the fact Massa had familiarity with Bridgestone/Ferrari chassis and Kimi did not. Stop with this motivation nonsense.

[@swidr5626]

@@ciaronsmith4995 That doesn’t explain why Kimi outscored Massa by 25 points in first 20 races as teammates

[@aleksijeskanen6557]

2008 is IMO too many if and ifs but 2003 and 2005 were absolutely years when Kimi deserved world championships. No wonder that Kimi wanted a break from F1 after first Ferrari stint.

[@elta6241]

That's how it sometimes is. You need a bit of luck and good timing. He should certainly be a multiple champion.

[@jackmonaghan8477]

One big what if I have is: What if Ferrari had decided to bring Kimi Raikkonen in as Michael Schumacher's teammate for 2002 (which they considered but decided against because they thought Kimi wasn't mature enough)? How would his career have progressed and how would the careers of other drivers panned out (for example Nick Heidfeld, assuming he becomes David Coulthard's teammate at McLaren after Hakkinen takes his "sabbatical")?

[@Plinkofficial]

Kimi's mclaren couldn't stay together for a race lol

[@Codi95]

Hey Peter, if you will like to make another reverse F1 season, 2021 could be one of the best

[@Riccardo-ej8cd]

The only ones who think that raikkonen should have more titles are the ones who watch formula 1 on netflix

[@ciaronsmith4995]

I've watched since 1997 (and watched seasons prior on recording). Kimi deserves way more titles.

[@Riccardo-ej8cd]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Are you sure that you didn't just sleep throughout the whole races?

[@thesauceboss2610]

Justice for Raikkonen

[@Amm17ar]

And if my grandma had wheels she would be a bike lool! Great video as always. What ifs are always fun until someone brings up 2008 or 2021 :p

[@enadizenideniz]

As much as I loved Kimi Räikkönen it's just as he used to say: luck and bad luck always balance each other out. Sometimes you are lucky sometimes you are unlucky. And had he won the title earlier maybe he would have given one massive shit in the following years. I don't think he was ever keen on chasing records (although he was just as competitive as any other top class driver). Also in comparison to drivers like Schumi, Alonso or Hamilton he was never trying to really adapt to any given situation but he rather only wanted a super strong front end and a super fast car that he could get the maximum out of (just like in 2005 which i consider his prime season). You really have to admit that the Hamilton and Schumacher types always tried to struggle through every situation and with that they forced every inch of luck out of themselves. That makes them deserving record holders and multiple WDCs. So Kimi having earned one single title (maybe if he wins 03 or 05 he ends up having two...) is just a fair deal. He struggled against Alonso and Vettel in his later years and that was not because he was less talented or strategically/mentally weaker but he was just not willing to go further beyond the 100% (which Alonso and Vettel in fact were willing to do). He won in 2007 and then went on to just race as he wants and that itself was a very satisfying thing as a Kimi fan!

[@ciaronsmith4995]

How on earth did a near 40% mechanical DNF rate at McLaren balance itself out? Go on mate. Explain.

[@enadizenideniz]

@@ciaronsmith4995 It did by Kimi winning the 2007 WDC, it did by McLaren promoting Kimi in 2002 over Nick who not only beat Kimi in 2001 but was also long promised to be promoted to McLaren one day, it did by Ferrari keeping him for long years although 2014-2016 were rather poor seasons given that Kimi was maybe the best driver in the early noughties and also 2012-2013 driving that Lotus was a lucky choice he could have ended up in a worse car - maybe overall Kimi was more unlucky than lucky but he defo had some good things going on in his career - so here is your explanation - of course you can now go on and pick on some of my arguments not being strong enough but it's quite clear that Kimi was not only unlucky at all...

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@enadizenideniz Kimi was better than Nick in 2001. Nick scored most of his points in the first 3 races, (which were lotteries) but was then outpointed and outperformed in the races by the most inexperienced rookie of all time (Kimi). Nick already had 1 season of experience and a ton of junior category experience. Kimi, to this day, is the most inexperienced driver in history to make an F1 debut. 23 races in Formula Renault to F1. That is unheard of - that's like going from F4 to F1. Also remember. Heidfeld couldn't beat Montoya in F3000.

[@LSib32]

And Alonso should have TEN

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Alonso should have 1.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

A bit of far away before Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari is one of the main reason why I starting supporting Kimi Räikkönen. Seb is still my main hero, but Kimi is the first one, so if I Ferrari's fan (actually i'm neutral about teams), you can say 2015-2018 is one of my favorite period in F1® (and it's fact), although 2006-2013 is actually my childhood (and still my most favorite) era.

[@Randomguyno69]

Imagine favoring Massa over Kimi Typical Ferrari

[@ZAPHNATHVIPIN]

2003, 2005 & 2008 - Kimi's Missed Title!

[@juanbellido3930]

you know f1 drivers' championships aren't representative of talent when kimi and alonso combined have less titles than vettel-

[@EmilForsberg_GRYBO]

Basically, it would have been a really bad look for Ferrari to get rid of a 2 time world champion, so there was some behind the scenes... actions... being taken, all in an atempt to melt the iceman and make him look like he wasn't passionate for the sport anymore

[@simonacuthbert1]

In the thumbnail photo used for this video, Kimi looks a dead ringer for Rene Arnoux.

[@queenanne5917]

I seem to remember the MP4-17D blowing up a lot on TV, not sure they solved all the reliability issues hahahahah

[@daninagy4173]

Of course it would've been nice to see him win more titles, especially as a fanboy, but the way the McLaren drivers lost the title to him makes '07 that more special.

[@Nicolassantosbranco]

13:23 impressive when Peter Brook show where I work in his video

[@ajegelin]

Hamilton should have 1 title if he didn’t have the locked in engine advantage for 8 straight years which was the biggest farce in f1 history

[@Chadabi]

his prime was too short. didn't know what happened to him during the second stint at Ferrari.

[@luisvilleda4616]

Interlagos 2006... "Had his victory taken away for a technicality with the official classification". Eeehm no, Fisichella won the race as stablished by the rules. Raikkonen and most people (including the marshalls) thought they've won the race. Things clarified, the victory was given to the correct driver.

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[@thatsjustprime8096]

Kimi was lucky to win one title, just saying🤣

[@ciaronsmith4995]

No.

[@bumblebity2902]

You should mention his mistakes Canada and Spain where he lost huge amount of points.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Canada didn't make a difference - he had a puncture in the race. You should mention his engine failure at Nurburgring and how his car was way slower than the Williams or Ferrari.

[@bumblebity2902]

@@ciaronsmith4995 So only Spain left. He could finish in the p4 or p5 and won the championship

[@eugenem7650]

The suspension not being changed back still baffles mee

[@botortamas]

McLaren kimi was the real deal. Once he moved to Ferrari that pace was gone and he looked insignificant on track in both 07 and 08. It’s almost pointless talking about his 2nd career. He showed flashes of his McLaren self at Renault but was an absolutely useless number 2 at Ferrari. As much as we liked him in his McLaren years we can’t talk about him in the same context as Alonso Max or Hamilton as their form never dropped while kimi’s nosedived soon as he went to Ferrari the first time. He deserved 2003 and 2005 but definitely not 07 or 08.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

The tyres and car changed for him in 07/08. Massa in contrast, had to adapt to nothing.

[@elijahprasad7884]

He didn't nosedive in 2007 at all, it was just a small decrease, but he went very uphill in the end. He and Massa both had 6 fastest laps. Kimi had the most wins. Kimi made mistakes and errors in 2008 and lost too much ground in the title fight because of the crash in Singapore, Belgium, broken exhaust in France. But then he went right back up to form in 2009 winning in Belgium in a trash car. He definitely deserved 2007, but 2008 was definitely Massa or Hamilton's though.

[@John14710]

2008 was LONG

[@KimiFan2002]

How much did Ciaron pay you😂

[@BenediktWindisch]

I started watching F1 with my dad in 1998 and as a german of course my favorite is Michael but I always liked his rival at that time, Mika, as well. They're my two favorites and for me, the best drivers. And Kimi in fact was the successor of both of them at McLaren, then Ferrari. In the mid 2000s he was the fastest driver overall and 2003 and 2005 he definitely should have won the title. Kimi is a legend and in his prime from 2003 to 2007 better than Michael, Fernando and a young Lewis in raw speed Also his return with Lotus-Renault should not be underappreciated. While Michael's return in 2010 was a overall failure, he got 2 wins in two years with the 4th best car and took a lot of 2nd places

[@nielsdorhout058]

Ralf Schumacher had a different car, apparently he was used to handling a stick 😂

[@kitko33]

I agree. Hamilton should have had 10. It's just that Hamilton failed to win three titles despite having the best and the fastest car on the grid. Kimi benefitted once. Then there was Rosberg and Verstappen. Alonso should have had 3 or 4. But yet again, he failed to transform the best and the fastest car and championship leads mid season into a WC.

[@Reno49]

A ferrari driver was the rightful champion of 07 after spygate, but of all the years for Kimi to win 07 was imo his weakest year. Massa was the one getting poles and podiums and Kimi was just...there. Outside of Australia and Spa hia wins didnt have the same feeling as say 05 or the drives in 03

[@ciaronsmith4995]

What? Kimi won twice as many races as Massa and was on the podium every race in the second half of the season. Massa had total familiarity with the car/tyres and Kimi didn't. That's why Massa looked good - Kimi had a huge disadvantage. I seriously wonder if people even pay attention to F1 when they watch it.

[@bobodelic2888]

I would say 20ish at least :D

[@encorefootball]

Goat video

[@detonator2112]

Kimi Raikkonen was probably the top-3 most talented drivers ever in F1. At least up there among the best. He just wanted to have a life outside of F1 and didn't commit himself 100%. Ron Dennis said that Kimi was the fastest driver he has ever seen. And that guy had Senna, Prost, Lauda and Hakkinen in his team. Kimi was an absolute BEAST in his McLaren days. For whatever reason he was never again the same driver at Ferrari (despite winning the title there in 2007). Either way he was quite a character and I miss guys like him. Now the drivers are boring, politically correct and they all look like boy band members with their electric cars. ZERO charisma. Kimi, Montoya, Hunt, Piquet, Keke, Senna, Lauda and even whining Mansell were real hardcore drivers. Alonso is the only one left.

[@TheAwsomeSawse]

Alonso should have more titles than he does

[@iamlato]

2005 is a pretty similar season to 2022, although the mclaren didn't have to turn down their engines in the second half of the year, giving renault a dominant pace advantage. mclaren just remained unreliable and unlucky

[@Kero-23-23]

I get why so many people argue that Kimi should have won the championship in 03 and 05. He was arguably the best Driver in both years, but it was in the nature of the sport that you could dnf because of technical difficulties. I would say leave it as it is. BUT when we talk about 08 than it’s a total different story. He was sabotaged by his own team. Something that should never happen to anyone in this sport! If Ferrari would have backed him up properly, I would say he wins the 08 and 2010 season. Why 2010? Because Fernando had to get used to things at Ferrari and had quite a weak start of the season (besides Bahrain of course). Imagine Kimi with a Team that backs him up. I would say he wins the championship in those years.

[@janembabel]

I hate when FIA change the rules during the season. Come on!

[@fandenando77]

I can't really hear the argument about 2005 being Kimi's year. Sure McLaren was fast and had a lot of reliability issues, but their form in the second half can be explained by Renault coasting to not waste points like McLaren did early. Renault's pace in China shows they had the fastest car all along but just didn't push it 100%.

[@fiftyin07]

He still won 7 races and retired from the lead another 4 times. And that isn’t counting any of the grid penalties he had to take in France, Silverstone, and Monza, all of which he stormed thru the field to finish 2nd, 2nd, and 4th. So you’re looking at a potential 12-13 wins already, so there wouldn’t have been a title fight at all. Kimi was in his own league and easily wins that championship if his car had any reliability at all. Alonso is a great driver and I’m not taking anything away from him, but let’s be real, he received a lot of gifts from McLaren that year and was lucky to win the title in 05

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Kimi was far better. Even Alonso admitted Kimi was a master of the tyres that season.

[@bizarroeddie1]

To me, Kimi should have one. 2003. He made more mistakes than Alonso in 2005 and spent half of 2007 being the 4th wheel of the top 4 drivers. The title was an opportunity too good to miss when Hamilton had trouble and Ferrari inverted the cars, but on performance, Kimi was not catching Massa that day. 2008 he also made mistakes and lost ground, even if everyone made mistakes that year, he couldn't get it going. Had some bad luck too.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

What? In 2007 he was unbelievably good. He had to adapt to a new car/new tyres that his teammate had been accustomed to since 2002. And still won the title. In 2005 he was far better than Alonso - Kimi made less mistakes than Alonso that season. Alonso crashed in Montreal, burned his tyres in Monaco and lost his front wing in Hungary. Kimi also had far worse luck with reliability.

[@bizarroeddie1]

@@ciaronsmith4995 dude, no one cares that he had to adapt other than himself. Alonso too was driving different tyres that year, so what? In Monaco 2005 both Renaults had tyre issues. It was not a mistake. Now, I'll wait for you to mention Kimi wrecking his tyre and retiring from an easy win at Nurburgring. Later, it was said that the retirement in San Marino was also due to his procedures on the formation lap. You're a fan, i get it, but you should accept that people can have different opinions than you.

[@phaenius]

Kimi is lucky he has one title, in 2007 McLaren shot themselves in the foot.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Cease and desist. Kimi was so much better than both McLaren drivers, despite Kimi having 2 DNFs down to car reliability issues. Enough please.

[@phaenius]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Kimi better than two of the greatest drivers ever? Raikkonen had his moments but that was it. Vettel destroyed him at Ferrari.

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@phaenius Of course he was. He's the fastest driver I've seen since Senna at his peak. He was on another planet and higher paid than Hamilton and Alonso put together in that season for a reason. Kimi was nearly 40 by the end of his time with Vettel, how is that relevant?

[@ciaronsmith4995]

@@phaenius Kimi is one of the greatest ever. Did you see him at McLaren? Evidently not.

[@phaenius]

@@ciaronsmith4995 Of course I did.

[@richardsattler8384]

ok wow.. thanks for that.. no spanish bank for me then

[@OtakuLogan2017]

Lewis should have 10.... - 2007, he had a 12 point lead going into the final two rounds, and lost due to a unfortunate mistake in Shanghai, and a gearbox bug in Interlagos. - 2016, an engine failure in Malaysia, if that didn't happen, Lewis would've won the title by 23 points. - 2021, you know what happened...

[@Mark-zk3gu]

😅so biased. 2007- Hamilton blew it. He couldn't make his tyres last at China 2016- Hamilton blew it. His starts throughout the year were absolutely garbage 2021- lots of stuff happened. Remember bottas went bowling? Hamilton blew it again

[@OtakuLogan2017]

@@Mark-zk3gu if the gearbox problem didnt happen in interlagos he couldve won with a P5

[@Mark-zk3gu]

@@OtakuLogan2017 and if Raikkonen didn't DNF in Spain and Europe he would've won even more comfortably.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Let's entertaining this, and you choose: 1) 🇬🇧 Nigel should have 3. 2) 🇧🇷 Ayrton should have 9 (if he still life). 3) 🇩🇪 Schumi should have 9. 4) 🇬🇧 Lewis should have 10. 5) 🇪🇸 Nando should have 5. 6) 🇧🇷 Felipe should have 1. 7) 🇩🇪 Seb should have 7. 8) 🇳🇱 Max should only have 1. 9) 🇲🇨 Charles should have 1. 10) 🇲🇽 Checo should have 1. There are 10 different ideal worlds. Which do you prefer? 😉

[@OtakuLogan2017]

@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 nige should defo have 3 but fate is cruel

[@javiazar]

I mean... I ca make an argument that Alonso should have 7 The one he was robbed of by Ron Dennis at McLaren, and the 4 he could've won with Red Bull had he gone to Red Bull instead of Ferrari when Horner offered him a contract.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Fernando should have seven titles? I only thought 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2012. Which two another seasons? Are you mean, 2011 and 2013 (after reading your comment)?

[@1greenMitsi]

@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 hes offering a different timeline of Alonso accepting the redbull contract in 2008 - so it wouldve been Alonso at redbull instead of Vettel in 2009

[@tescopepsi9679]

Bro is stretching this so hard 😭

[@egisgarage]

This is why I piss on Santander's car loan offers every time I am presented one.

[@boomshine7]

4 ? from 1 ? i like the guy, but that seems exaggerated, then Senna shouldve had 8

[@EXQCmoi]

You lost me at 0:09 Verstappen shouldn't have any.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Yeah, anytime when I hearing Peter says that, I always wondering who is the 2023 world champion. 2021 and 2022? I can answering that.

[@Koby616]

Yes, but he has one.

[@driverjay8613]

I am not discounting the facts of events, but you are LEAVING SOOO MUCH OUT, making Kemi a victim. Kemi was better in his first 2 Ferrari seasons, but I'm guessing cause I'm not gonna research to fill in my bad recall. By Kemi's 3rd or 4th season, Kemi became a mess, he was always partying, drinking etc, and would come to a race unfocused. He made mistake after mistake, and it just made his wanton to drink and party all night worse, trying to escape. Ferrari let him out of his contract with no penalties with the ideal, when he wanted to return, he would contact and test with Ferrari first.

[@hepulipoika49]

Well that is just not true at all. And maybe learn to write his name correctly before you start to spread misinformation.

[@KJ28554]

Hamilton should really have more like 10 2021 obvs 2016, Malaysia engine failure costing him the title 2007 crashing in China but also mechanical issues in Brazil which cost him by 1 point 2010 maybe as well since he had some horrible luck but that was anyone’s between the top 4

[@f1analysis900]

And you are forgetting that Raikkonen was a nadir 6th, while Massa won in Valencia, before his engine failure for 2008? He was absolutely horrible in that race.

[@goldsnafu]

michelan

[@MasterGr1mmy]

Massa Deserves 1, Schumi Deserves 8, Vettel Deserves 5

[@0455Javi]

Delulu german fan

[@MasterGr1mmy]

@@0455Javi what's delusional about it?

[@elijahprasad7884]

Massa is about to get 1.

[@MasterGr1mmy]

@@elijahprasad7884 really hope so

[@ciaronsmith4995]

Massa deserves 0.

[@Racers-Setup-Guide]

Ferrari paying Raikonen to leave but making sure he couldn’t race in F1 for at least a year says a lot. Normally when something like this happens, the driver is free to continue in F1. Ferrari was scared of Raikonen. They didn’t want him on the team, but they really didnt want to race against him. Santander must have been paying Ferrari a lot to try get Alonso or Massa a wdc

[@evilchris22]

Finally someone remeber "the strange 2008". Raikkonen after todt left ferrari team (in the first race of the season todt were still there), he started to be slow and strange, like a normal driver. all continued in 2009 until budapest. in that moment ferrari has to put all the energy in him and suddenly the true raikkonen came back. super fast super strong with a very poor car, and he won in the best and technicaly circuit., SPA (he his the king of spa). In his second carrier, for me raikkonen was different, no more so fast or super amazing, was still strong but not magic like his first carrier. i'm a huge fan of him maybe is my best driver of all time, and for me he could win until 3 titles, but this is kimi, few words, always against political, and he didn't like complain. i can say that i'm very lucky to see him raising, and for me is the driver with more talent after senna's death, but not only the talent is necessary to be the greatest.

[@NoeNoe-fz6uq]

If kimi should have been 4 time World Champion we also can say Hamilton should have been 10-12 Time champion as Schumacher, prost is 4x champ and should have been 8, lauda is 3x champ and should have won 4, Senna got 3 championships and could have got 6/7, vettel have 4 titles and could have got 7, Stirling Moss has never been champion and he should have been 4 Time champion, massa should have been World Champion in 2008, Carlos reutemann should have been World Champion in 1981, gilles Villeneuve should have been champion in 1979, Ronnie Peterson should have been champion in 1978, regazzoni should have been champion in 1974... If we are thinking like that we can recreate the whole world...

[@pedrobernardi9409]

Exactly. I think this kind of mindset is stupid.

[@kirisaki.777]

KIMI GLAZERS ASSEMBLE‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@Matteo-zd5ew]

and thats why i will hate ferrari forever and ever. Even tho my alltime fav Vettel drove there. All this bs behind the scenes is disgusting. And it makes me so sad that Charles has to go through all that shit as well

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Fellow Sebastian Vettel's fan here. Yeah, the similar but not same reason why Schumi retired for the first time after 2006.

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Football has its own 1-7 in the 2014 World Cup Semi Final between Brazil and Germany, and F1 also has its own 1-7 between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton at the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix!

[@parrotantics2046]

Deja vu

[@913egok]

Raikkonen didn't deserve the title in 2005. He was 2nd best and that's where he finished. There's a strong case for 2003 though.

[@bumblebity2902]

3:36 Calling Barrichello Schumacher's wingman is insult at least he have wheel-to-wheel skillset

[@wolfgangvan-uber6515]

Never once did Barrichello challenge Schumacher to the title though.

[@LNF124]

Bwoah

[@megacup3977]

And il say Alonso should of been a 5 time wdc or even 6 2005 renault 2006 renault 2007 Mclaren 2008 Ferrari (If hed win the 2007 title he most likely would join ferrari earlier, and as we know he is million times better than massa) 2010 Ferrari 2012 Ferrari

[@snobey]

Ubforced spins at 2007 Fiji and 2012 Suzuka cost him the titles

[@megacup3977]

@@snobey yea but 2012 no grosjean alonso wdc champion and 2007 alonso without the penalty in hungary would also be wdc

[@sadikurrahman4833]

@@megacup3977 well crylonso did that to himself in 07 and no 2012 was alonsos fault squeezing kimi off in japan.

[@no1washerezz]

@@sadikurrahman4833 in 2012, vettel literally blocked alonso's q3 lap and got away without any consequences... think vettel was any bit responsible? besides, when have you been able to find a flawless season by a driver? alonso's 2012 drive was tremendous and remains one of the best in the past 30 years. a combination of DNF luck for vettel and hamilton, and had he just gotten a little bit more lucky to not get wiped out by grosjean, he could have seriously won the title in the 3rd fastest car. he was 4 points away from winning the title in the 3rd fastest car. when was the last time someone got that close with the 3rd fastest car?

[@megacup3977]

@@sadikurrahman4833 no grosjean crash in spa alonso is 2012 champion, the team literally not sabotaging alonso in 07 alonso is champion

[@pedrobernardi9409]

Sorry, but your explanation of Kimi's 2008 - saying he deserved to win the title - was a bit forced, too much conspiracy (this Santander thing was ridiculous, I'm sorry). Anyway, The Finn didn't performed weel that year, made a lot of mistakes when even his title rivals made mistakes too.

[@Aioradeleo27]

The Santander question is confirmed, as is the fact that Ferrari sabotaged it in favor of Massa, even Schumacher himself declared that he and the team harmed Raikkonen with the development of the car. It's not a myth, that was real

[@PsychedeliKompot]

That Santander thing actually happened. And if you think that Kimi wasn't motivated and driving the wheels off the car regardless, how on earth did he score 10 fastest laps that year? That's still the record, matching his 2005 where he scored 10 FLs as well. Remember this was at a time when FL didn't award an extra point, so drivers didn't specifically go for it. It just happened naturally as a reflection of whoever had the best pace. DanNoSkill also covered the Santander Saga in a video, and Peter, Dan, and Ciaron Smith recorded a DRS Train Podcast episode together about the Santander saga going over the entire timeline, with plenty of quotes to back up the story.

[@pedrobernardi9409]

@@PsychedeliKompot In your logic, Massa won 2007 just as Kimi, since he scored the same FLs as Kimi. In your logic, Senna would never deserved to be champion sice he hardly ever conquered the FL. Please, cut this logic down, it's stupid. About Santander, please, there's no concrete evidence of that. I watched the podcast and nothing convinced me, just people making theoris of conpiracy. That part of Santander opening a filial in São Paulo occurred in 2007, not 2008 (I know this, because I'm brazillian and lived in São Paulo for decades). In a era of espionage and crash gate, this would obviously come to public, and neither Kimi, nor anyone else even talked about this conspiracy. Sponsors are normal to F1, and obviously a sponsor would have to prefer a driver than the other on the grid, just see the Markus Erickson destroying the F1 careers of Nasr and Wehrlein. But, please, to sabotage Kimi? This is ridiculous and things said in the video, about changing suspension - for example - are absolutely normal in F1 and they would never risked to loose the constructors championship by not telling Raikkonen. Besides, Montezemolo was the one who sought out Räikkönen in first place, and he had no problem pairing Schumacher with Räikkönen. It was actually Schumacher and Todt who tried to fight that in 2006 by trying to maintain Massa and the german for one more year, didn't work. The video also forgot to mention that the rumors of Kimi retiring by the end of 2009 was all over the place in the beginning of 2008, so, with the team knowing that Massa was good, but not great, they started to go after someone to fill that seat, nothing unusual or unfair by that; so much so that no one ever expected Kimi to return to Lotus in 2012. All in all, Kimi crashed alone and made more mistakes in 2008 than Hamilton or Massa! This, I'm sorry, don't pass to an excuse to have a poor performance. I like Kimi, I think he deserved 2005, but this 2008 conspiracy is a thing that even Kimi himself would say it's ridiculous.

[@PsychedeliKompot]

@@pedrobernardi9409 I never said that setting the most fastest laps in a season should be what determines who becomes champion. Like ... that's one hell of a strawman you've built there. You're not even remotely getting the point I was making.

[@nath1606]

@@pedrobernardi9409 I feel like you've missed the point. Yes, fastest laps alone don't warrant a driver "deserving" a title or whatever, there are many other factors that can make or break a championship challenge. In 2007, yes Massa got the same amount of fastest laps, but Kimi was getting used to a new team, new car & new tires; naturally, Massa inherently had a leg up on Kimi. But in the case of 2008, it does drive the point home about Kimi's situation. He was driving the wheels off that car, because his own team were putting a massive amount of pressure on him. They changed his suspension setup (WITHOUT HIS CONSENT, MIND) and he ended up massively overdriving a car which he absolutely hated kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHzPfpR-mdx_jZo . At that point, it's no longer a question of "adapting", the team were just straight up not listening to his feedback, something Raikkonen was famously very good at. This was also a time where Ferrari were becoming structurally incompetent after the Schumacher dream team disbanded & Raikkonen still remains the last driver to win a WDC with Ferrari as of October 2024 (Alonso never did, hehe). Yes, there were rumours of Raikkonen retiring during the beginning of 2008... right after y'know.. he absolutely DOMINATED the Spanish GP? I'm sorry, you have to admit that timing is suspcious. You don't spread rumours of a driver retiring right after they dominate a race, that makes absolutely no sense (unless someone was trying to get rid of him, for whatever reason). Raikkonen denied these ridiculous rumours, by the way. In fact, he had to continuously bat away these rumours as complete & utter nonsense. That point goes completely against your argument. Ferrari never started "looking", they wanted Alonso in the team. Santander was looking to jump ship to Ferrari because Alonso was going there. Santander was entering the Brazilian stock market. Massa is Brazillian. These are facts. Not theories. You're an idiot to dismiss reality. And it was unfair on Raikkonen because he was a much better driver than Massa, as he proved in 2007 & the first 4 races of 2008. Massa had been with Ferrari since 2002, so he was already used to the team, the car & y'know, the Bridgestone tires. It was Kimi who won the 2007 WDC, not Massa. If anything, Massa's seat should have been under scrutiny that year instead. You say that "Kimi made more mistakes", I already made the point of Kimi overdriving a car he hated, yada yada yada. But Massa made a lot of crucial mistakes that cost him the WDC that year. Ahem, Silverstone? Where he spun 4 times? I would actually say that Massa's 2008 was worse than his 2007 year, he was just flattered by circumstances. Hamilton also had a shoddy year as well, honestly. That was a year that Kimi would have won easier than 2007 had his team actually backed him, instead of trying to replace him (as you said yourself, mind). There's something to be said about a team not wanting a driver, affecting the driver mentally. Your comment is absolute dogwater. Just because something can be considered a "conspiracy" doesn't mean it's not real & that it shouldn't be entertained as fact.

[@matthiascerebri3315]

to be honest, I think that only two titles would have been possible, and this is 2005 when it comes to 2005. In 2003, Kimi wasnt fast enough and in 2008 he could still only have beaten Kubica. 2018 would have been another possibility, but thanks to Vettel this wouldnt have happened...

[@shadeburst]

For whatever reason, after Spygate in 2007 the FIA deleted all McLaren's constructors points, but they let the drivers' points stand. Logic? Kimi should have won by more than one skin of the teeth point. However from then on he lost most of his motivation and got slowly worse, his time with Sauber (pronounced Zauber) being typical.

[@AA-db9cb]

Still the greatest driver of all time for me. Better than Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, Schumacher, and Verstappen.

[@PH-jv4ik]

Lewis should've had 10 for the DTS newcomers it's amazing how much McLaren dropped the ball in the 2000s and early 2010s.

[@weignerleigner3037]

Nah lewis probably deserves less than what he has now if anything

[@PH-jv4ik]

@@weignerleigner3037 based off?

[@weignerleigner3037]

@@PH-jv4ik the fia counting points in a race they knew was rigged

[@sadikurrahman4833]

@@weignerleigner3037 delusional dutchy detected opinion rejected. Still the best of his generation whilst your idol has a 10 race winless streak aha