RED Komodo 6k vs. RED Raven 4.5k - Part II

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Your pick: Raven or Komodo? GO!

[@christantoseno]

Raven,because it's easier to put on zhiyun crane 3 without full cage like komodo

[@DannyNtarlas]

Raven !! Ravens image is more organic and I can use all the accessories from any dsmc2 red camera

[@ggreloaded5269]

Raven.

[@KalleTheodor]

I would definitively pick the Ramodo over the Koven! - Argh! I wish I had this problem to decide! 😀 They are both amazing.

[@djamesvideography]

Why do I feel like the Raven image is more cinematic than Komodo?

[@KalleTheodor]

Even if I buy 2nd hand, I have to spend at least 10K for a decent Komodo setup, because I have to buy an additional monitor. The Raven can be found for around 5K though. ☺️

[@brennan61]

Bought my Raven in 2016 and am still rocking it out. I still think the image quality is better than a lot of newer cameras out there. The Komodo almost looks too video-y for some reason.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

That dragon sensor has something magical for sure. I now shoot a lot with canon now and it makes me appreciate the raven sensor even more. Komodo might indeed miss that magic for some reason, even tho it’s amazing 100%.

[@Calgothits]

@@PeterBaerveldt The Komodo’s sensor was co-designed by canon 😢 hence the video look

[@retroelectrical]

It is weird that the shot of the guy going into the house with at night looks more "cinematic" on the Raven. The Star Wars poster seems appropriately slightly out of focus whereas the Komodo is razor sharp.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

I was also surprised by that. I thought I messed up the focus but Komodo seems sharper overal. I like that Raven for that as well. It's only when you do these test you see these things. Can't wait to shoot a fashion project with both camera's to see what that brings.

[@anthonyrock5039]

interesting for me to watch comparisons from the perspective as a vfx artist. I used to integrate cgi into footage and therefore matching all aspects. As we would match: Colour, sharpness, light and grain, I find it funny how people's comments on these two cameras may not realise understandably depending on their experience, that it is possible to match these cameras exactly in all but slow motion timing. The resolution difference actually accounts for the slight sharpness difference between these as well but if the effect of resolution on perceived sharpness is understood then even this can be accounted for in one of the directions depending on the look the film maker wants to achieve. If someone would like the Komodo footage to look the same, then you can take a reference of the footage you like and then look at its grain detail(and colour, plus size of grain since the resolution of an image will make a grainy image appear less grainy when seen at different resolutions or output afters called down), Its sharpness level and diffuse slightly, contrast level and saturation. All of these can be matched as well as you have skill and time for if it matters. The biggest difference between the outcome of a shot has more to do with planning than the cameras used. Both of these cameras here are fantastic and the only downside would be the modern user who relies on slow motion for their content. In that case, there are many options out there to suit that. Much of what people complain about on the Komodo is not found on other cameras matching the quality of images so not the best comparison. There are amazing dedicated slow motion cameras out there to be rented to dedicate to slow motion if that is the focus for sure.

[@vincentbrunet7929]

DSMC2 particulary Raven never be old !!!!! ( possible to have new link for your lut's DSMC2 ( raven ) for sale please ? Thanks

[@JasonDavid9]

The main advantage of the RF mount is, you can buy a very good RF to PL adapter. Wooden camera makes a solid one. I don't believe you have EF to PL adapters.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

That is correct. I thought of adding it in the video but like you said. I don’t own one and that makes it hard to judge. I’ve heard that vocas makes a great one as well. Could give them a call and try one. It’s pretty close to where I live.

[@adamouellette5971]

@@PeterBaerveldt The vocas mount is a work of art.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

@@adamouellette5971 Good to know! I'm not really a PL shooter but Komodo making it affordable and interesting I might try to get my hands om some PL glass for a test. Appreciate the recommendation.

[@hwcentertainment]

Best lenses for Red Raven, budget friendly too. Please suggest. I love primes too.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

For me it’s dzofilm pictor zooms 100% 20-55 is excellent and for a good price. Primes I’d say dzofilm vespids but they are more expensive as a set than the pictor zooms. If you don’t mind a short focus ring the sigma 18-35 is also a decent option. Just don’t like the manual focus

[@STGFilmmakers]

Can someone explain to me why these comparisons are valid. One is clearly double the cost and 4 years younger. Of course it's overall a better camera. And BTW the Raven does have AF. 4 different modes actually, to include continuous AF. Is is usable? Not at all. But it does have it. It even has Rack Focus for focus pulls.

[@lucariccidj]

So, none of the physical buttons on Komodo are programmable for any function as peaking, focus edges etc? I’m so , used to have this functionality on my helium DSMC2 accessories, thank you 😊

[@PeterBaerveldt]

As of right now you can't. All buttons have a dedicated function. Hopefully in the future we'll be able to do so. Or have the option to add them on the touchscreen.

[@lucariccidj]

Peter Baerveldt via the app I’m sure we can program as many shortcuts functions as we want just like foolcontrol

[@PeterBaerveldt]

LUCA RICCI You can indeed. Quite a few actually. It is nice for these KZbin video’s. You can quickly check everything before hitting the record button. REDcontrol is such an powerful app.

[@lucariccidj]

Peter Baerveldt does Komodo have all tools like DSMC2 body ? (Peaking, focus edge etc etc)

[@PeterBaerveldt]

LUCA RICCI yes! Luckily it does and it’s super easy to enable/disable them on both the camera LCD and your SDI monitor.

[@KARIMYATRIB]

nice video, i love my Raven

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Thank you! Glad to hear you still like it. It's an amazing camera 100%

[@KARIMYATRIB]

@@PeterBaerveldt yeah bro i use the raven with some canon Cn-e and movi i love it

[@DannyNtarlas]

I love mine too 😁

[@InceptiveDOP]

Seems like most filmmakers today (and I use that term very loosely) are more concerned about slow motion rather then anything else. Most of the time slow motion is used to much and is complete overkill, especially because people have this idea that slow motion is somehow more "cinematic"? I rarely use slow motion and If is do 60FPS is great at 4K and 2k 120fps would only be used sparingly because let's face it even that frame rate at any resolution isn't that slow at all. anymore. My. opinion is that for the price point, convenience, for factor, and versatility the RED Komodo is a unreal piece fo gear. if you take slow motion out of the conversation, what can you really say bad about a camera that shoots raw, with crazy dynamic range, 16bit, global shutter, Autofocus and 6K? How on earth can people criticize something this good?! I had the choice between this and a A7SIII and chose the Komodo because the only thing that stood out from my A7III to the Sony A7SIII was better slow motion.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

I agree with you. Slowmotion is great to have but it's not something that is on my priority list as a filmmaker. But, like you said, many people nowadays do rely on slowmotion a lot for their work so in that case this camera will surely disappoint. The A7SIII is a great camera and it's slowmotion is gorgeous (just like my c70). It's just for different types of projects / content I feel like.

[@mitchforteclassic]

- Faulty SDI Port - Doesn't have Ratio Compression - No internal ND's - Barely has 13 stops of Usable Dynamic Range - Need a lot more to get started - Auto Focus is okay at BEST - slow motion crop is literally laughable - Is not 16-bit but 12-bit (compressed R3D) - Audio Preamps are mid - I/O's are extremely limiting - Price for Mid Specs What could I say bad? I guess a lot.

[@MrMacroJesseSky]

This is part of why I bought the Zcam e2s6, over the Komodo, do I think the komodo is better? Yes I do! But, At $2500 with an internal electronic ND vs the $6000 for Komodo, I don’t see the difference as much. Komodo has sdi which I do miss on Zcam, but I have two Panasonic Eva1s to cover my broadcast standards. I feel like red soon (as good of a camera as it is) is going to start getting written off as the budget red camera and being associated with budget shooters, similar to how the bmpcc6k is. But then again, on projects where that matters, you might be renting anyway.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

I think the Zcam is excellent and it's one of those camera's that offers a lot for a very competitive price and I agree there are many projects were you won’t see the difference. Probably even get better results with a Zcam when used by a pro. It's a camera for a different audience. RED camera's are very specific and that's perfect for what i do. When I started using RED in 2017 it was because it had a great picture and it had a RAW codec that I could edit on my cheap macbook. Only when I started doing KZbin I learned about the more technical stuff (the stuff they use in 'comparisons'). Stats, prices and brandnames don't matter for most clients. Results do and a Zcam in the right hands will get those results. My point: For me the perfect camera was a RED Raven and now I'm used to working with a good codec, loads of color depth for over 4 years so the Komodo is a logical step for me. For someone else it is the Zcam. When a camera fits your work and workflow it will be the best tool for the job. I don't want to go back to 10-bit prores internal or prores RAW via a Ninja or something. I like the fact that the RAW recording is in-camera and that I know how it performs when shooting fashion content. For me that makes RED the perfect tool that fits my skillset. So is it better? For me it is. However it's not the best choice for many people.

[@apmanti12]

will stick with my scarlet-x for another 5 years haha

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Great camera! Bit heavy but amazing quality! No need to switch indeed

[@ndavies8]

Honestly, I think RED fell short with this Komodo. Most other cameras at cheaper price point have some of the key features it's missing. The crop on 120fps is horrendous; quite unusable in most situations. In 2020 slo-motion is an essential for most cinematographers. The display is basic at best, you still have to rig it; Atomos monitors alone are $600. Then you add the cage, handles and all that you will spend another $1000. You only have one CFast card slot; which isn't really practical even as a B-cam. My question is if this camera had a different brand name, will anyone of us filmmakers be interested? I think not.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Thank you for sharing, I do get your point and why this camera is a bad purchase for a lot of creators. Still, I don't agree with what you're saying :P Slowmotion in 120fps is important for some but what other (small) cinema camera does 4k/6k at 120fps in a good RAW format (at least 12-bit)? Personally I don't use 120fps on my Raven very often. 60fps is my sweet spot and that they didn't add 60fps in 6k simply sucks. The global shutter.. not having that ugly jello effect.. that's something I would buy a camera for. The display is very nice. Basic or not.. it works and it's useable. I don't see how that is a dealbreaker. You don't need to rig it but you could if you want to. People do it for some reason and I don't know why. If you keep this camera small it works amazing and it really shines in my opinion. I do like some mounting options (like the timmy ribs give you) but nothing more. This indeed adds to the price but I also think that a lot of people build these rigs because they don't shoot with small camera's and feel like they need to make it something it's not. I own a few monitors for my work. One of those is the Atomos Shinobi SDI. Cost you around 300 euro's. You definitely need one when focussing handheld. I tried focussing without and failed miserably. The screen is too small for critical focus. But a good external screen is aways good to have. Why is one card slot not practical? All RED camera's have one slot and they're used in some pretty diverse and extreme situations? I have always shot with one card at a time so I'm not really experienced in the two card at a time thing. Now finally to answer your question: if this camera had a different brand name, will anyone of us filmmakers be interested?... Of course people would be interested. This camera fits the needs of a lot of people better than any other camera in this categorie could. the global shutter, codec and size itself are a reasons why would want this camera. When BMPCC 4k/6k came out we all had the same kind of reaction. I liked the BMPCC6k for what it brought in therms of weight, size and price but already shooting with RED for my work the BMPCC6k couldn't keep up performance-wise. So when RED announced this Komodo I was beyond happy. This camera fills every gap in my production so far (weight, size, portability and price). I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this. Is this a camera for everyone? No.. it surely is not and that's why I understand what you're aiming at but hopefully this explains at least for a tiny bit why some people are beyond hyped about this camera even tho for other people it seems like the worse fit ever. Thank you for dropping this comment man, I do like to have a bit of a discussion about the camera and the perspective of other people. That's really useful for everyone here on the channel!

[@hhansari]

@@PeterBaerveldt Glad you left this comment. Helpful input!

[@pugazhenthipandian9040]

What's the mound Name with nd filter...tell me.👏👏

[@rjroser202]

He was using the official canon variable ND to EF adapter....

[@PeterBaerveldt]

It’s indeed the official canon RF to EF adapter with VND. Like RJ mentioned above🙌

[@INSTINCT777]

Thank you! Very helpful! :) What is that music at 2:50 i may ask? :)

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Hi! thank you so much for the kind words! I download all of my music from Artlist. So you can find it there. I will however try and find the track for you. So you'll have the title. If I do find it I'll let you know here in a separate comment.

[@INSTINCT777]

@@PeterBaerveldt thank you so much that would be very kind of you!

[@uniqs]

When you shoot in prores, can you do 4K 60 and 4K or 2K120? And does it have the same cropes in those slowmotion framerates? Because in prores you can shoot 4K without crop I would be highly interested in this, because there are no informations about on the internet

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Hey, you can shoot those framerates but unfortunately you’ll have the same crop factor as when shooting Raw. I was also hoping that this was possible but unfortunately you can’t.

[@MakshunSlava]

I feel like I am ready to take the next step in my production life, with the main focus on talent/creative agencies and commercials/films. what would you buy if you got a 10k$ budget: Red Komodo or used Red Epic Dragon 6k/Scarlet 5k ? Thanks

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Good question, an Epic dragon 6k will definitely give you more than Komodo offers. On the other hand the Komodo is the most convenient cinema camera I've ever used and that, by now, has a lot of value for me. If slowmotion beyond 60fps isn't a necessity I would go for Komodo. I wouldn't go for scarlet just for the simple fact that Komodo outperforms the scarlet 5k and on top has the benefit of being new, IPP2 internal, global shutter and 6k 40fps. If I had no RED camera and got this option now to buy epic dragon or Komodo I would with my work, Gimbal jobs, corporate video's, fashion video's and KZbin content, go for Komodo. Not because it's better but because it's way more convenient. I hope this helps you a bit. If you want to chat of discuss some more just hit me up on Instagram or something.

[@MakshunSlava]

​@@PeterBaerveldt Thanks a lot for your reply! It is really helpful. My biggest concern just about how often i'll need to shoot 200 fps in my daily routing. I don't shoot weddings or any events, trying to be focused on other projects. Now I'm leaning towards buying Komodo, but will see... ))) Going to follow you in instagram

[@DannyNtarlas]

My opinion is to go for dsmc2 cause you can upgrade some day only the brain and keep the accessories for a new brain without loosing money . I love epic dragon 6k But that’s why I looked for raven or dsmc2 dragon x 6k . The scarlet is good option too

[@MakshunSlava]

@@DannyNtarlas Thank you for your advise !

[@Visualsthatgohard]

Hey good content, I have a question you think it's worth buying Raven in 2022?

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Specs and performance wise it still is an amazing camera. I feel like it still is worth buying in 2022. The 4k 120 set it apart from a Komodo. If you don't need 4k 120 I would rather go for the Komodo. So it is up to you and your workflow to decide.

[@ianzhao5693]

Can you provide the download link for the test footage in the dark?

[@PeterBaerveldt]

I can't unfortunately. Sorry

Hi! Someone is selling a used Red Raven here in Peru. Body + red touch 5 inch monitor + i/o expander All for US$4,000. Do you think it is a good investment? Thanks.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

I don’t know what the shape of the camera is and how many hours it has been used. But if both are good than I would say it’s a deal that you could consider for sure!

[@DannyNtarlas]

If is on good shape run and buy it . Nice price believe me

[@dimakop]

Wait what...why do you have Jodie Comer on your first frames with Red Raven 4.5k?

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Would be amazing if that were the case! This is however my amazing model friend Hilde ;)

[@itsenoque]

Raven has a thousand times more cinematic image that's what matters, the low light problem we solve. This low light problem is characteristic of the analog cameras that you deify so much

[@pugazhenthipandian9040]

You show me the slow-motion shot...the Komodo camera shot was under the exposure that is why? 🙏🙏 Tell me pls.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

It was not intentional. It was my mistake when shooting ;)

[@lvdput3442]

Can you do these videos for every cinema camera out there please? 😄

[@PeterBaerveldt]

That would be the dream! If it ever comes to that I will need a cameraman to help me. Interested?

[@itsenoque]

I just came to see Komodo getting beaten, as always

[@eliassmit5647]

Hi!

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Hey! glad to have you here again🔥

[@africanhistory]

that is like the intro music to porn hub lol

[@theXvisions]

Shame about the Slowmo, I hope they will add 4K 120fps feature to komodo 🤞 Good vid dude

[@PeterBaerveldt]

Thanks man! It's appreciated

[@isart3757]

both camera produce different color of green 12:44

[@PeterBaerveldt]

yes right? tint levels are very different between both camera's. Must be the difference between the dragon sensor and the komodo sensor i guess.

[@jensriemann3070]

@@PeterBaerveldt I love the color rendition of the dragon sensor.

[@diminishedreturn]

Just a tip: never roll an intro. Exiting video.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

thanks!