Multi-Starlink Aggregation Array using Network Bonding Gateway

[@MrDubje]

Your home is a communications nerd's wet dream XD Love it!

[@BillAnt]

PornHub HQ. Ha-ha-ha

[@443DM]

I want to do a tour of your basement. Who needs to pay those stinkin DC bills. Also want to know how many complaints you've gotten from the city/neighbours and you're like "fed regulations say I'm allowed a 40' tower, F off"

[@peterfairlie2296]

Never had any issue with the Tower. It's been there since 2007 and is to code.

[@AronBezzina]

I had Starlink about 2.5 years ago with round dishy, I was usually getting between 100-300mbps. I’m in Australia (vic) so I assume the lower population is the reason why. I haven’t used starlink in a while so it may be slower now, from starlink I went to 5G, that gave me 200-500mbps and I was with that until my area finally got fibre last month. When I first got the 5g I was load balancing the 5g and Starlink. I hit around 725mbps in a speed test with that.

[@billelsaoudi7004]

Do you have some tutorials to do that ?

[@BillAnt]

Here in the US I'm using an inexpensive OpenWRT/GoldenOrb router connected to a 5G iPhone12 as a modem with Tmobile service. I'm about a mile away from the nearest tower, getting around 900 Mbps down, 90 up, with 15 ms average latency for a mere $50 bucks per month. I can even take the small router and phone with me on the road, plug it in and it's ready to go in under a minute, no other setup needed. As a bonus, I can use the phone for calling, texting, and web while connected to the router as a modem. :)

[@PhonePhreak3z]

Keep the videos coming!! Thanks!

[@peterfairlie2296]

You bet!

[@elesjuan]

As someone with their own mini datacenter in their basement with two enterprise rackmount servers, two desktop PCs, and two network switches that all combined "only" consume 600 watts of electricity around the clock.... RIP your wallet from the power bill, Peter LOL. This sh*t is cool, and you do a lot of really interesting things! As always, thanks for sharing!

[@peterfairlie2296]

There is a 3000 Watt UPS in the bottom of the rack. It's fed by a 30 amp electrical circuit. Load is a continuous 16 amps @ 120 volts = 2 Kw/h

[@xor128]

@@peterfairlie2296 whats the cost for MW for your electric provider?

[@elesjuan]

@@peterfairlie2296 daaaaaaang. That actually isn't bad!! Nice!

[@garrettmandujano2996]

@@peterfairlie2296that is fantastic haha

[@jefbenet]

your videos are great! thanks for what i know is a LOT of work to produce them and the amazingly cool content. Would love to see more on your datacenter/homelab setup at some point. I'm inspired by the stack of thinkstations as I'm contemplating a homelab upgrade myself

[@purrrfectnarrative5201]

I didn't see 2 cans connected by a string for secret coms but you have everything else lol

[@jszigetvari]

The trash pandas look cute.

[@mutestingray]

I am woefully ignorant of the world of networking and communications, but I find it intensely fascinating. I was just asking myself the other day if there was a way to combine multiple Internet connections together into one, seamless experience. I guess there is.

[@patrickferguson7591]

That bonding server sure looks a lot like our Dejero units.

[@peterfairlie2296]

It is a Dejero. I also have EnGo's and Waypoints as seen here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWXMh2CPfcpooZY

[@TecraTube]

it's all fun and games until those racoons are in the fridge, watching TV, and taking over the couch 😂

[@firenado4295]

damn its always nice to see the data centre, looks cool but I can't guess what you need 12 or so tower lenovo pcs for.

[@GrizzLeeAdams]

Those have HDMI capture cards in them, and are fed from SDI to HDMI adapters. I suspect he has some sat boxes with SDI output intended for use by CATV operators or hotels and they don't enforce encryption on the output the way a consumer box would. What you see is essentially a large scale DVR that can record multiple channels at the same time.

[@firenado4295]

@@GrizzLeeAdams that's actually pretty cool, would explain why he is hesitant to do a tour of it all lol. One thing though, why not have multiple capture cards in the pcs for better density. Or is that already what happening? Just looked back at the footage and yeah only one card per pc, however looking at the unused ports I think those are graphics cards and my guess is its the other way around, using them to run some sort of home cable system. But I can't really see the equipment that would be used to modulate all of that so maybe I'm wrong.

[@GrizzLeeAdams]

@@firenado4295 those cards capture raw uncompressed video and it takes a reasonably beefy system to do real time encoding purely on the CPU. I managed a system similar to this on a smaller scale from 2014-2019. We were using proprietary software and similar capture cards (I can't tell the generation of card he is using from the outside, we had 1080p cards but the back of the 4k version looks identical). We had to pay $1500 per channel of record or play out for software that *barely* could handle two channels of 1080i in realtime on a 2014 Mac mini with the fastest SATA SSDs in a thunderbolt dock. We had to add about 10 minutes of time delay latency to the playback to keep things running smoothly and ensure we didn't have buffer underruns on the playback side. Broadcast quality video is *way* more I/O and CPU load than GPU assisted live streaming where quality loss is acceptable.

[@JP-ck1tp]

Very informative! Have you had the chance to test the 5 bonded connections yet?

[@ninjadolego]

i'm really curious about the poweredge R200 solution right below the aggregator.. is it inside a custom case?

[@zunar_j5_933]

I could be wrong, but I don't think the SL dishes have dedicated heaters per se, they just ratchet up their power levels.

[@samjones4327]

Awesome video! Thanks for the tour of your awesome server room. I really appreciate it!

[@thatLion01]

What bonding device do you use?

[@tf6437]

Peter your electric bill must be insane! Lol. My homelab is a quarter of the size and my electric is high!

[@DeadlyDragon_]

I’m curious how that device gets around asynch routing issues. I assume it creates a tunnel for each service provider back to a single cloud endpoint which becomes your wan of sorts.

[@peterfairlie2296]

That's what it does. Every connection is a VPN tunnel back the a cloud based 'concentrator' which is really just a VPN server.

[@DeadlyDragon_]

@@peterfairlie2296 gotcha that makes sense, of course I imagine you will only ever see the speed of whatever link the traffic is going over.

[@falkor3865]

How many Mbps did the business stalink provie alone?

[@tf6437]

31

[@Jamey_ETHZurich_TUe_Rulez]

I am not sure this will make sense but, when you bond 5 starlinks together, will it be possible to try to manually direct some of those antennas to different parts of sky ? so they are connecting to different satellites? that way, maybe you get different starlink backbone ground station connections... useful for bonding scenarios as for example roof has 2 angled surfaces and laying antennas flat on those surfaces, you get two views of sky / different sets of satellites. i am not sure how exactly starlink chooses satellites / rotates antennas. Because version 3 of antennas is without positioning motor so maybe that will be possible only with 3rd gen starlink... Just putting some ideas out there. 🙃

[@GrizzLeeAdams]

The starlink satellites are more narrow field than broadcast satellites, kind of like the difference between a 5G cellphone tower and an an FM or AM tower. The closer to the horizon the satellite is perceived from your location and you'll get much worse signal and latency because you're outside the cone the satellite is intended to service and further away than someone directly under it.

[@Jamey_ETHZurich_TUe_Rulez]

​@@GrizzLeeAdams Having multiple antennas in steeper position with different azimuths should be good solution for having more satellite connections ( over multiple antennas ), you can even eliminate latency increase when one of customer ground stations is steering towards another satellite, by routing traffic thru lower latency link ( this type of routing is not standardly done on youtube.)

[@Jamey_ETHZurich_TUe_Rulez]

@@GrizzLeeAdams Steered array can do only so much, even sitting on motorized positioner, which starlink seems to use only for seldom position correction/obstruction avoidance, not for "realtime tracking". Even on video you can see antenna is not not moving and is not horizontal. Also there can be situation multiple times a day when you can only see satellites low in the sky, but on opposite parts of sky, constellation is not as dense as people make it to be. So i think that should be very useful experiment. On multiple levels.

[@RexMk1]

Could you please provide details on that gateway? What machine is it, what model, is it running TNSR or something else? Thank you!

[@peterfairlie2296]

The gateway is from a company called Dejero: www.dejero.com/products/gateway/tech-specs

[@RexMk1]

@@peterfairlie2296 Thank you

[@kevinbradt835]

What is the make and model of the unit you use to combine your Internet connections together

[@peterfairlie2296]

It's made by Dejero

[@kevinbradt835]

Maybe you could make a video about it

[@racingdatasystems3708]

Can you post a link to the “M16 Gateway” you will use for bonding the 5 Starlinks? I’m struggling to live stream 1080P from a 150mph object. I need a solid bonding solution. I currently utilize Pepwave 5G Modem. Also? Is there a SIM card that you are aware of that has a higher upload speed than others?

[@peterfairlie2296]

www.dejero.com/products/gateway

[@LONGBOW]

I get about 250/30 average on my Starlink with peaks of 400/40 at optimal times. That’s on the normal V2 rectangle residential dishy in outback QLD Australia. The alternative satellite service on the NBN, I get about 50/5 peak with normal being around 20/2.

[@miko_un_]

So only good thing about Starlink’s business is that you get a dedicated IP and can use it everywhere, but the subscription cost is to high, I think when Starlink would lover the subscription cost it would be interesting for many people who wants to run a server. Speed and latency are really disappointing, I have Starlink’s first version with my 1 Gb fiber internet

[@giulioperissinotto1431]

Please make a video about the antenna system, I'm watching your videos since a year now and I did never notice that antenna

[@nathanmaker7824]

there is no heater in the dishes.. they just turn up the transmit power to create the heat.. its the byproduct of higher power

[@jacquesb5248]

in south africa i am running 2 20/10 mb uncapped fiber line for about $35 but due to government interference it's difficult to get starlink legally

[@grabasandwich]

I can't even imagine. Reminds me of the time I read that some US states have outlawed solar or something.

[@mikeo3382]

I cant image how much you spend on internet. How much does all this run you monthly with the bonded cell and the 1 starlink you were bonding

[@Burnstation3D]

thats a stack of lenovo workstations :) what models are you using? i love my p620

[@Burnstation3D]

also that lack holding all those FTW

[@che59v]

Gen 1 Antenna is still the best value for your money , this set up offers a Lan port all included( unlike Gen2 ), GEN 1 antenna is motorised ( unlike GEN2) , GEN 1 antenna is the bigger option offering the hight antenna GAIN and as a result a much better S/N , Yet if one is after a smaller foot print ( RV ?) than Gen2 is for you , Gen3 offers noting new ( beside the price) , one could say that both gen 2 and 3 are more about saving on hardware costs than offering any great benefits to the end user. As for speed ( MB/s ), sorry boys, that is determent at the provider end, all the user can do is optimise his set up by making sure the sky is not interrupted by trees/ RF noisy power lines) and the angle of the antenna is set to maximise the signals coming from the satellite. I have found the GEN 2 and 3 are much more likely to loose connection when there is a storm above the antenna ( in the area where the antenna is located) , and here is where the GEN1 shines offering less interruptions in service overall.

[@bonezed]

nice setup mate, just a pity about the Starlink speeds

[@divlles]

Since it says it melts snow up to three times faster I was kind of hoping you could take a shovel of snow and put it on dishy when he's in the bird bath position and see how fast he cleans himself off😂😂

[@dispatch444]

I bet your electric meter loop spins like a top with all that hardware.

[@bentheguru4986]

The Gen2 "Commercial" systems didn't have that Ethernet cable, forced us to use all the junk/crap they sent. The "ROUTER" is not a router, just a WAP & PoE brick. Networking done at/in the dish.

[@peterfairlie2296]

The Router is a Router because it's running on WRT and creating it's own subnet 192.168.0.1/24 which is using the dish as a gateway on 192.168.100.1 You can also use your own Router in place of the Starlink Router and you're not double NAT'd.

[@bentheguru4986]

@@peterfairlie2296 Couple of things, the crappy Ethernet adapter sits on same data path as the "Router" but can provide either the same subnet as the horrific Wi-Fi or the direct CGNAT address. Networking from the dish, the "Router" is just a Wi-Fi AP and PoE injector. Yes, used third-party power supply and got the native 192.168.0.0/24 out of the dish. 192.168.100.1 is the internal GUI, again, on the dish. Bridge mode stuns the "Router" into a ugly and awkward brick and you still have the messy cabling and proprietry cable ends. The ethernet cable you got was new, shame you didn't use and and used old crapy setup. Plug it is and see what you get out the dish?

[@peterfairlie2296]

@@bentheguru4986 The Business system I'm using came with a ethernet cable to allow you to use your own Router kzbin.info/www/bejne/pafFqah4ecxmesUsi=5y-Y_M1zvJ_rPtT1&t=238

[@peterfairlie2296]

Check out Oleg's blog. He's been reverse engineering and repairing Starlinks for the Ukrainian Military. olegkutkov.me/

[@hillonetwork]

i have a flightaware radio in mexico

[@czpanama]

Starlink is too expensive. I rather have a fiber line and use LTE/5G on the road.

[@j0hnnycache]

Good luck getting that in rural areas.

[@dominick253]

Wow 😳 what an obtuse statement. It's like saying "id rather eat steak than leather..." Yeah no shit. But if there's no steak and someone offers you a cheeseburger you take what is available. This isn't for someone with access to fiber. In fact you are just reducing the number of people who actually need it can use.

[@amogusenjoyer]

​@@dominick253mhmm what do you mean? I prefer full 10gbe, wired GPON when I'm on a hike or in an RV. Thats why satellite communications are useless! Lmao

[@czpanama]

@@dominick253 What's the steak and leather to you? Starlink said it was going to have better latency than fiber and that turned out to be a lie. Moreover it didn't even make sense but people defend it to the death. I lived in multiple states and have yet to find a house without fiber access, but you're right it's possible. As for my RV, I've been in area that are literal dead zones and I've gotten LTE access with a good antenna and signal amplifier. There is literally no reason in hell to buy starlink unless you like getting raped in the wallet and enjoy shit latency.

[@Genubath1]

In my area, the fastest internet speeds I can get is about 20Mbps download and 1-5Mbps upload, and that is in town. Out of town, you're shit out of luck. Not even LTE 4/5G available.

[@lazerusmfh]

Great for rural, but aint touching my 4 gigabit symmetrical fiber speeds

[@KonuralpBalcik]

you provide vpn service ?

[@peterfairlie2296]

I use to have a VPN company

[@satellaview_dev]

please change the thumbnail back to the cats i thought it was really cute

[@peterfairlie2296]

I liked the cat thumb too but the videos been doing much better since I changed it.

[@ogcryptowealth]

You might as well become an isp with all that equipment

[@MillAppartments-kb5vd]

If you have a 4G/LTE phone that is wifi tethered to the starlink , does wifi calling into/from PSTN work ? Any call quality difference res/biz ? Are the telcos happy with this ? It could easily disrupt their extortionary global roaming business model.

[@TechnoBrown]

Dejero GateWay do the same aggregation

[@peterfairlie2296]

It is a Dejero gateway.

[@TechnoBrown]

@@peterfairlie2296 quite and operation going there

[@nellermann]

well, that is one way to heat your house.

[@patrikkiss5013]

Tim Cook ???????

[@peterfairlie2296]

The heating guy?

[@MontegaB]

lol "Network Bonding Gateway" you mean a router?

[@peterfairlie2296]

It's a Network Bonding Gateway. It creates multiple VPN tunnels, each thought a different network connection. It then sends packets over the multiple connections back to a cloud based concentrator. The router is actually part of the cloud based concentrator.

[@MontegaB]

Why though? That seems like a lot of added complexity. Now you've got VPN overhead plus additional latency to send everything through the cloud concentrator. Just use a router and do equal-cost load balancing. @@peterfairlie2296

[@peterfairlie2296]

Doing it this way with multiple network uplinks provides a resilient internet service for mission critical applications. If you're streaming broadcast video and one of the network uplink connections suddenly fails your stream data will seamlessly continue to be carried over the other links uninterrupted. The problem with load balancing over 2 different connections is you are dealing with 2 different WAN IP's. If you were to switch during a video broadcast the connection will drop since the IP will change.

[@MontegaB]

That's fair. I was assuming you had your own public address space.@@peterfairlie2296

[@joeyabb1965]

Meh

[@hongtanke]

you like to waste a ton of money my friend.

[@BestSpatula]

Why mess around with this stuff when fiber internet is a thing?

[@peterfairlie2296]

Fiber connectivity is not everywhere

[@BestSpatula]

@@peterfairlie2296 true but look at all of that money you're giving Elon.

[@amogusenjoyer]

​@@BestSpatulayeah, so we should just pay more for a worse internet connection even when starlink is cheaper than alternatives to own Elon Musk hahahahaha.