Peter, I am a Professional Clubfitter and I have built many sets of super-forgiving game improvement irons and “iron woods” or hybrid irons for many high-handicap golfers (including my wife), and every single one of these golfers has been extremely happy with the results. My wife has improved her game by nearly 20 strokes over 18 holes (from around 120 to 100 strokes or lower), and two of the other high-handicappers (or non-handicap golfers) have reported similar improvements.
@PVCGolf2 жыл бұрын
I play with a wider & more forgiving set. When do you feel a player should go to a more traditional style? What benefits are there to go away from a more forgiving set?
@paulmcgee18672 жыл бұрын
Pleased to see the Launchpads in the mix! 🎉
@dougmael2 жыл бұрын
@@PVCGolf - there is no hard and fast rule about when you should play what type of irons (or any golf clubs, for that matter). I have seen 20 handicap players who insist on playing blades or “players irons” and low single digit players who play super game improvement clubs. It is really a matter of personal taste and playing whatever clubs appeal to you.
@PVCGolf2 жыл бұрын
@@dougmael great info. Thank you. I feel my problem is playing consistently. If I play more. I play better. I don’t think my irons are the problem.
@34muggsy3411 ай бұрын
@@PVCGolf My problem is I try to improve on the course instead of the driving range. This year I'm taking regular lessons and hitting the driving range. I have played golf for over 40 years and when I was playing my best was when a teaching pro was helping with my swing.
@asw161772 жыл бұрын
I've been using Cleveland Launcher HB irons for a few months now... got to say I love them, and I still play to 7-10. Plus the amusement of saying I'm hitting a hybrid... (for every shot) hasnt worn off yet.
@alittlelooney53612 жыл бұрын
I have the new Launcher Halo XL's. I love them. I guess you call them a hybrid iron, I am not sure but they are so easy to hit and the easier I swing the better strike it so they are game improving in that way to. Still love my Vokey wedges though. The DW won't be replacing those.
@asw161772 жыл бұрын
@@alittlelooney5361 I stop at the D wedge and then have smithworks 52 and 56 wedges.... They provide feel and versatility
@gavingmp31412 жыл бұрын
Great to see you making content for the not so good (yet) golfers! Keep it up.😀
@AVDFI19612 жыл бұрын
Pete, surprised you didn't include the Cleveland Launcher XL Halo irons which are generally considered one of best SGI sets around
@peterfinchgolf2 жыл бұрын
Yeah done a few vids on those, lots of this kind of iron around
@BizzeB-nq1jb2 жыл бұрын
Love whenever I see Sub70 getting a shoutout! My 699 Pros are amazing.
@thebigeasy86092 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Mr. Finch. Funny how you were saying that the 70 golf irons were heavy. I know for myself going to heavier irons has helped me significantly be able to feel the club head and I haven't lost any distance but I'm a lot straighter with them. That's why I love my persimmon woods. Nice and heavy and I just smooth the ball right down the fairway. most of the time. Like the song says "He ain't heavy he's my brother." Well done sir.
@barrymurton89882 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. I have 4,5&6 Adams hybrids in my bag. The 6 is the go to club to get out of trouble. I am a senior high handicapper. It will be in my bag for the three club challenge in the new year - putter, 6 hybrid and driver! Ha ha
@Fitforpurposegolf2 жыл бұрын
I fit and build Sub 70 and Eleven irons and hybrids. I am seeing great results with the Eleven hybrid sets with slower swing speed players, you over power the shaft a little hence the spin and launch having a negative effect on the carry distance. We can custom fit with stiff shafts should a player require that. Thanks for reviewing though.
@whodatjt2 жыл бұрын
I have the Wilson LP 1's and I love them! I'm an 11 handicap and these have helped inspire confidence in me. I've had them for 2 years and I don't envision getting anything else anytime soon. My favorite is the PW! So easy to hit and chipping around the green is like cheating. I've recommended the LP's to others as well! I love Wilson though. I have the D7 driver, 3 wood, and 3 hybrid as well! Also a wilson 60 degree and putter lol
@RichardPatrick842 жыл бұрын
Glad to read that. I have a set of Ben Hogan's from about 20 years ago and have been eyeing the LPs for a few months now. I play to a 9 handicap and am hoping they are a bit more forgiving than what I am currently using. How do you like your driver? My miss is a hook so trying to find a new driver that compensates without paying $700 lol.
@MattiasA72 Жыл бұрын
Great for me to read this. I'm 51 and a 12,6 hcp. I've realised I might need more help than conventional clubs can give me, so LP 2 are high on my shortlist for new clubs.
@joepa871142 жыл бұрын
By far my favorite golf channel, Pete is the best!
@peterfinchgolf2 жыл бұрын
Thanks pal
@davep85212 жыл бұрын
Got the launch pad 2 earlier this year and after struggling for a few years I’m finally back down to single figures, absolutely love them.
@riggz5496 Жыл бұрын
You’re down to single handicap playing the launch pad? That’s awesome. I wonder at what point when somebody would stop benefiting from them
@DylanGolf Жыл бұрын
I’m about a 15 handicap and in high school golf. Should I get these?
@davep8521 Жыл бұрын
To be fair I’ve been playing off single figures for around 20 years lowest 6 but hovered between 7-9, as I’m getting older (60 in a few months) I noticed a big drop off in my irons distances and saw my hcp climb to 11 last year, thought I’d give them a try and I love them, good distances and almost feels like a bag of hybrids, still have normal specialist wedges though. Since getting them I’m back down to 8 again 👍
@discr17092 жыл бұрын
I play Srixon zx4 irons 7-PW. From there I go 23 and 26 degree Mizuno 923 Fli-Hi hybrids with the same steel shafts as my irons, the Modus 105 in stiff flex. Then I have Callaway 21 and 17 degree utility woods with the HZRDUS RDX black 5.5 flex shafts. I’m loving this line up!
@boatbuilder7812 жыл бұрын
I’ve been using the Sub 70, 799 irons for the last year. Yes, they are ugly but they work so well that no matter what other irons I try these are the very best do me. I cannot be more pleased as well with the service that you get with Sub 70, they really are so much better than the big boys!😊
@badrogue66 Жыл бұрын
Did you go to the studio for a fitting ?
@pellezackrisson53202 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you play nine holes with your standard irons, and also with the launch pads, to find out if elite players could benefit from super playable clubs 😎
@riggz5496 Жыл бұрын
Never seen a KZbinr play a round with super game improvement irons and it would be nice to see. I wonder if it’s purely a pride thing. Are they scared they are going to score better?
@edge21str Жыл бұрын
@@riggz5496 James Robinson played 1 over on 9 holes with only the launch pads and a putter. He achieved level par when he did the same thing with Takomo 101s and a putter, so take that as you will. Judging by the video, it absolutely seems like it's still possible to ruin shots with SGI irons like the launchpads.
@davidellenberger92852 жыл бұрын
Put the launch pads in after your video earlier this year. Typically 90-100, shot a personal best 85. I had a lot more confidence with the launch pads
@stephencoffey47052 жыл бұрын
I had a set similar to the elevens some years ago I bought them to help cure the shanks! You can't shank hybrids one season later I was using standard irons I currently play Apex irons off 12
@Miller33083 ай бұрын
Broke 90 using the Wilson launchpad 2s. Best I’ve done
@tonydamiani80299 ай бұрын
Great video! Loved it. Just one point sand will scratch any paint. They use sand paper to remove automotive paint, which is incredibly durable, lol.
@easyswing0072 жыл бұрын
I've been using Wilson defy combo irons for three years now and will probably play with them for a long time. Suit my slower swing speed.
@hkp92572 жыл бұрын
Always happy to see a Wilson club review
@holdentoyotastraya1792 жыл бұрын
I love my launch pads my irons are alot more consistent and i now average 180 meters with my 5 iron
@Dreyno2 жыл бұрын
I used Wilson as a kid. Still keep a Wilson wedge in the bag. They make some great stuff but they need to improve their marketing and maybe improve their mid range. Their beginner stuff is excellent value and their top of the line blades are beautiful.
@simonlee16272 жыл бұрын
Great review, always nice to see something aimed at high handicappers like me rather than just the next set of beautiful but unplayable blades from TM/Ti/Cal 👍
@alanmcvittie94132 жыл бұрын
I stayed playing golf again in June of this year, I bought a second hand set of Adams idea hybrid irons. I have played fairly well with them, and have been considering purchasing a new set of Wilson LP for a while, now I have two other sets to consider 🤣. Great content as usual.
@mach5k2 жыл бұрын
The eleven golf hybrids are intriguing, glad you reviewed.
@TMar19612 жыл бұрын
Good stuff as usual. I'd love to see this test with an actual 15+ handicap golfer, your swing is good and you hit the center of the club FAR more than a 15 handicap.
@peterfinchgolf2 жыл бұрын
On the list for next year
@paulbarnes38742 жыл бұрын
Thomas Golf, full hybrid sets, full wood sets, full chipper set, also Pine meadow golf offers the same, both very good clubs worth testing
@richarddurek31302 жыл бұрын
Those elevens look similar to a set of Thomas Golf hybrid irons I bought. They go all the way to a hybrid lob wedge. And it works in bunkers.
@MaartenAnna2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I thought Cleveland had a set of Launchers out as well (the average golfer did a video on them I think), very similar looking to the Wilson’s here.
@larrysmith80022 жыл бұрын
I think I'm answering my own question here but what if you don't necessarily struggle with launch or strike but simply love hit hybrids or hybrid type clubs. Is that enough to pull the trigger to switching? Pure enjoyment? Not sarcastic question but truly an honest one. I'm thinking about it but not really in one of the categories of a player you would think would switch. I just love hybrids. Thanks for your thoughts.
@peterfinchgolf2 жыл бұрын
If you like the look and feel go for it
@johnrobson11222 жыл бұрын
I bought a set of Wilson LP this year so far so good has reduced my handicap by 3 it gives me more confidence in my play as they not only feel good but I think look ok. The only issue I have had is build quality as my 8 iron club head decided to detach itself from the shaft! Which was sent back to Wilson for repair.
@johnrobson11222 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@fredstewart16392 жыл бұрын
Awesome work Peter. Love the montage of all the different lies you can hit the Elevens out of. 😂
@jtgleave2 жыл бұрын
Hello from Utah in the states. While game improvement irons are awesome! I use them and love them actually. I'm a 7 handicap and am considering moving to a more workable blade iron. I'm using Mizuno jpx919, a great mid to low handicap forgiving iron.. I like to club down, flight balls down through wind or out of trouble as well as work the ball right to left or vice versa. What clubs do you recommend? I love pings, blueprint or one of the I series, I 59's? Any others you recommend?
@GolfingMalky2 жыл бұрын
Interesting vlog Peter; did you really hit the ball using Kieran as a tee holder? I could probably play with the Wilsons but the Sub 70s would only be used to poke a coal fire or mixing tins of paint. Cheers
@markbailey73692 жыл бұрын
Been playing Sub 70 699 Pro 2i and 4-PW for over a year and love them and the only regret is that I didn't go for one of their smaller blades.
@keithska5592 жыл бұрын
Hi Pete, I would like to know your thoughts on the Wilson Launch Pad vs Cleveland Launcher. I’m a 20 handicap who just plays with buddies for fun. I want to upgrade from second hand Adams Idea A7 clubs to something more forgiving but from a trusted brand. Thoughts?
@SteveSmith-wv8ug2 жыл бұрын
Would have liked to see more use of the shot tracer Peter.. How about testing the Cobra rail iron set as their supposed to also be game improvement irons ?
@ultimatejay2 жыл бұрын
Clevelend Halos are nice too
@roberthind3394 Жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful swing.
@jagjag32362 жыл бұрын
Nice, and a bit funny, test. Interesting to see the changing attitude towards this type of club. Remember Nike's version that didn't go so well. Maybe they were a little ahead of their time, or maybe the clubs weren't good enough.
@williamsanders60922 жыл бұрын
Your comments about how ugly the club is makes me wonder weather you are interested in performance or appearance? Results are the most important!
@MattiasA72 Жыл бұрын
I think I need to stop overrating my skills as a golfer. Granted, I've lowered my hcp for two straight seasons since coming back to golf, from 15,7 to 12,6. But in that time I've not really struck the ball consistently good, using first Vapor Flys and this season Mavriks. My biggest issue is not getting any decent height on anything longer than an 8 iron, probably due to swing speed. I want to enjoy golf as much as possible, and I'm not when I don't get consistently good strikes. So I think I'm going to have to go the SGI route to enhance my enjoyment. The Launch Pads are high on my list for new clubs. But the looks are a bit off putting. Also on my list are Ping G400 Ping G700 Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Cleveland Launcher XL All in graphite shafts. Season is over now where I live so will spend the winter researching. Will gladly take advice on the best SGI irons from the good people of YT.
@randallpennington5976 Жыл бұрын
What happened to the custom irons you got fitted for? I don’t recall a follow up video with them.
@paulc5817 Жыл бұрын
Sub70s 799 are so awful and ugly that I’ve sold two sets for them. Let your friends try them and they’re sold. I’m a solid 14 and work too much. I’ll be down to a 10 this year. 5-p and 3 Cleveland wedges and they have made golf fun again. Pair them with a pro v and they play like regular irons but instill confidence if you like hybrids. The finish is ingenious as there is no color to scratch or scrape off on the backs. I challenge you to beat their customer service and custom fitting to your specs. The variety of shafts are amazing too. It didn’t shock me you chose the Wilson’s. Nice name brand for sure but in this category no comparison for price and quality along with custom orders. Ty for the review. I enjoy your videos. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@Carsonsimon2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the cleaveland launcher halo's...
@lexxwhite7472 жыл бұрын
I never thought I'd hear a golf club referred to as having a weird arse. Thanks Pete!
@davidcole23372 жыл бұрын
Think These are the Launch Pad 2.. Considered those but decided on Callaway Rogue ST MAX OS which are just below Launch Pads and are considered just Game Improvement instead Super Game Improvement.
@r0beh2802 жыл бұрын
Recently new to the channel but loving the content!
@peterfinchgolf2 жыл бұрын
Cheers pal
@simon6902 жыл бұрын
I have hybrid irons am gaming the 0211 z from pxg and love them
@rufussthoo40832 жыл бұрын
Going in the opposite direction - to thinned-down butter knives on hickory shafts, I simply could not hit those SGI clubs. The Eleven hybrids in the lofted end of the bag would be especially difficult to get my head around. It would feel like finessing a driver from 60 yards out 🥴. But it's good to see so many different skill-level golfers getting good results with them, from the comments below.
@michaelbrantl55435 ай бұрын
I have sub70 699 pros great clubs I played mizzy blades for over 25 years
@scottcross32522 жыл бұрын
What about playing around or two with game improvements , and matching up scores to your gamers ?
@mattevans71502 жыл бұрын
Hi Pete. Where do you see one length clubs fitting in to this debate on game improvement irons? Always wanted to try some, but really limited supply and always expensive.
@JP-gt5zd2 жыл бұрын
I need another one of these videos for my high swing speed, high handicap, and high launch (shamefully).
@BigAlby2 жыл бұрын
I am confused, your video labeled the clubs differently than what you explained. The picture depicted the sub70 as the all-rounder but you said the Launchpad.
@mitchsutter97882 жыл бұрын
Big hello from Oklahoma,USA
@julianroberts6982 жыл бұрын
Nice review Pete
@kevinstone28752 жыл бұрын
This is your best review. Hilarious also!
@lucasstinnett622 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the cobra t-rail tested in this category
@3nCounting2 жыл бұрын
I may have misunderstood the context but here goes anyway. Sub 70 Golf is an American company located and manufactured in Sycamore, Illinois. Upon a Google search... Eleven Golf is a British company located in Hereford, England. Nothing that I've found (yet) connects the two...
@ianwilson29685 ай бұрын
Eleven Golf and Sub 70 Europe are based in the same building in Hereford.
@fretless052 жыл бұрын
I really wish there were a category of game improvement irons that offered forgiveness but without the added distance from strong lofts. I am a mid handicap player (about 14 at the moment) but I hit pretty long... just badly. I don't need extra distance, but do need help taming my inconsistent strikes.
@johnhanks4052 Жыл бұрын
Cobra Air X! More traditional lofts. IFeel and sound is really nice. Spin is good, height helps with stopping. I ordered the 4, 6-P at 36.75” to play as one length then added lead tape to swing weight them properly. Have roughly a 12 yard gap between them(ordered at 4 degree gaps). I play the Air X driver and a the 3 hybrid as well. I play a Bridgestone 54 and 58 standard wedge. For me, it all works well and makes golf easier. I was playing blades and was a 10 HC until I hit these with a guy I got partnered up with on a course. I’m now a 4 HC after 4 months with them. They aren’t as sexy as my Edels, but they perform better for me. My miss with all clubs was always to the right, now that miss really just doesn’t exist. My two cents.
@nasadark882 жыл бұрын
Only critique of the video is that i feel the lofts should be at least mentioned since you are showing the launch angle but those could just be up to how you're swinging it
@MarkLiversedge2 жыл бұрын
"Sounds like you are hitting the ball with a kettle" - made me laugh out loud. will be stealing that line.
@jporter5042 жыл бұрын
Scenery in your video looked like the desert southwest in America.
@benagud2 жыл бұрын
"Hitting the ball with a kettle" got me hard! 🤣
@slicerjohn18972 жыл бұрын
They would be good for a beginner and priced quite fairly.
@terrybishop52862 жыл бұрын
Can you review the caley clubs 😁😁😁
@tellwilliams44932 жыл бұрын
So is the swing weight really high hi Dee’s maybe even E’s
@robertchilton73342 жыл бұрын
what are the parameters for High, Medium and Low handicap?
@_Timo12 жыл бұрын
My friends dad who plays with us often uses the Sub70 799's. He's just played the 2 best rounds of his life recently. The Eleven Hybrids have a VERY similar appearance to the Adams Idea A12OS hybrids.
@mpfencing2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@jbh1992 жыл бұрын
I'd be more interested in height and landing angle. These clubs were meant for high handicapper and seniors. These golfers have long clubs into greens and therefore need stopping power and a high spinning golf ball such as kirkland 2.0.
@chrisab664 ай бұрын
Bought Wilson Launch Pad from my local golf shop and they are great except for the fact that after two rounds the paint started falling off on all the clubs. My Pro is contacting the company but haven't heard anything back yet. Anyone else had this problem?
@TheDudeofmany4 ай бұрын
Let us know the outcome. Im interested in these. I game an ultra black driver and the paint has held up well
@chrisab664 ай бұрын
@@TheDudeofmany yeah will do. I've only had stainless steel irons before with no paint so never experienced this before. I don't have irons covers but don't know many who do. Pro reckons it shouldn't happen. As for the clubs themselves they have definitely helped my game. I hit a few thin still but no longer thick so its got rid of those chunky mis timed hits behind the ball so far more forgiving than my last set.
@Gordeaux2 жыл бұрын
Maybe do the same test with a high handicaper. That would demonstrate the forgiveness.
@adrianlovett34832 жыл бұрын
I thought I wanted to move from a hot metal to a more players iron forge tech ? But in fact I went with T400. Once I hit such a powerful club i decided it was a better way for me to lower my handicap and enjoy golf. The other option is to practice every day so I can find the middle of a beautiful bladey club , but have no time for anything else in my life. Maybe it’s cheating but Tennis players no longer use Wooden , lacquered rackets so I am ok with it.
@thedeeprot2 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥
@Gleavster2 жыл бұрын
Further proving that we’ve become obsessed with the tech, when in fact, it’s all bout the operator. As my Father says, a bad workman will always blame his tools. 😂
@Memorabilia_Madness Жыл бұрын
The 70s compared to your Titleist were like 700RPM difference on ball spin. Where the Wilson was less than 200 RPM less than the 70s but had a greater launch angle. I'd rather have a higher launch angle with very slightly less spin RPM. You're not going to be able to stop the ball as much with the 70s.
@user-lk2is9wq6r2 жыл бұрын
love the videos as always , keep up the hilarious inserts in the videos (although really need to see the launch angle and follow through on the kieran mouth tee shot ) ...HOWEVER can you please stop with the iron cover hatred , yes i use them and a big part of using them for me is my outright early onset alzheimers ... i cannot lose a club on course if i have still got the head cover in my pocket ....also helps with thinking about + being certain about which club to choose for a shot ....and look there are dozens of other things about some people on the course to be annoyed with than head covers ...or even on the planet there are 400 trillion 987 billion 369 million 420 thousand and 3 things more worthy of being concerned with than whether someone uses iron covers ...its like many of the prejudices on this planet i just dont get how it can affect someone else if i do something that has no possible real world actual effect on them ? ...end rant
@paulhopkins19052 жыл бұрын
The problem with gams improvent irons, is they are also anti slice, and I hit a hook
@steven-gerrard2 жыл бұрын
Go play a round at one the courses you played in comps and compare your score. Im sure we all like to make golf as hard as we can.
@oprmail68302 жыл бұрын
Jack is indeed the goat
@GratiusGolf2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised Cobra T-Rails didn’t make the list
@TreesAreGRN2 жыл бұрын
Pete could polish my club anytime
@Mav...2 жыл бұрын
Pete, why wouldn't the best and most forgiving clubs be chosen by top professionals? That would make them even better, wouldn;t it?
@rodbonjovi2 жыл бұрын
Review the Lazrus Irons and Wedges you will be Shocked how good they are and these are the best selling irons on Amazon in the USA
@AnthonyHitmanFiore2 жыл бұрын
They're some fugly looking clubs but if they help people get into the sport or even stay playing then that's easily overlooked.
@GregoryKarlovits2 жыл бұрын
I am morbidly curious what swinging a PW hybrid is like.
@JakeXSV2 жыл бұрын
Hey just wanted to let you know at @11:16 when you say "off the GOATs head", you actually didn't have it on Tiger Woods head. An honest mistake I'm sure.
@austinmeehan3522 Жыл бұрын
Looks do matter, but performance & forgiveness should matter more.
@OBL1V1ONsnipez2 жыл бұрын
Hi Pete
@johnp81312 жыл бұрын
Those Wilsons look awfully like the Cleveland HB3 irons from over a decade ago?
@RobertJones-zl2mf2 жыл бұрын
Takomo 101’s
@DuxEtRex2 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my stealths
@kimhannemann2 жыл бұрын
Would have preferred a test with someone who actually might NEED these, Pete.
@terrymoore18302 жыл бұрын
Hello. Is anybody there?
@mikevreeland88892 жыл бұрын
Why do we criticize the look of ultra forgiving irons, but everybody seems fine with the huge ugly mallet putters?
@chrish15852 жыл бұрын
There's really no reason to make the music significantly louder than when you are talking. It's actually quite annoying.
@stephenfowler41152 жыл бұрын
In the final analysis when you're writing down your score on the card what your clubs look like is meaningless.
@GeoffMack2 жыл бұрын
I clicked like, but I found myself a bit disappointed in the video. Here's the thing I want to know: How accurate are you with these game improvement irons. You spend the video talking about how they look, spin, and launch angle... and you never really consider whether YOU should put them in your bag. I want to see you test them for real. What is your average dispersion? Pick the club that wins that test, regardless of look. I'd bet that one of those sets ends up in your bag.
@AVDFI19612 жыл бұрын
Seriously? Pete is a PGA professional and these are clubs best suited the high handicappers and seniors. I very doubt they'll end up in Pete's bag!
@GeoffMack2 жыл бұрын
@@AVDFI1961 That's what I don't get! Why are these clubs not suited for a scratch golfer? Because all of the other pros would laugh at him? I have a suspicion that pros are resistant to these clubs because of the stigma, not because of the performance. C'mon Pete, show us what happens.