TW P6; DIY Long Guiderail [video

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Peter Millard

Peter Millard

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@flyc3
@flyc3 3 жыл бұрын
Binge watching this series at the moment as I’m keen to ditch my table saw for a plunge saw. So many questions answered in this series thanks Peter! I’m certainly no DIY expert like you Peter but an even cheaper alternative to the IKEA STOPP webbing is Poundlands grip tape. It’s really thin and I’ve used on a number of jigs and probably the most useful thing in the store! Thanks again!
@edwardmcallister5681
@edwardmcallister5681 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Track Saw video's. I took the plunge and bought one. Really glad I followed your advice about 'dialing' the blade to the splinter guard. Keep sharing your wisdom for as long as you can.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ll do my best! 👍👍
@graemewhittle1665
@graemewhittle1665 3 жыл бұрын
Just found your '10 min tracksaw workshops' Absolutely brilliant. Thank you.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@ZaarsShed
@ZaarsShed 4 жыл бұрын
These series are amazing! Thank you for making them. Technicalities aside, your voice is very pleasant to listen to.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks you! 👍👍
@julianadams2404
@julianadams2404 5 жыл бұрын
This has been a brilliant set of videos I have learnt so much and I've owned a track saw for 2yrs!
@chrislowe3060
@chrislowe3060 5 жыл бұрын
140GBP for a 3 meter Makita rail?!?! For those of us in the USA that's an absolute bargain! Here the 3m Makita rail sells for 225USD (180GBP). The 3m Festool rail is an eye watering 385USD (313 GBP). I rarely make such long cuts so your how-to on building a rail has saved me a small fortune.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it! 👍
@kurtmuller1861
@kurtmuller1861 4 жыл бұрын
Great series of videos, Peter. I use an Einhell TE-PS 165. I've followed your idea for a home-made guide rail, but glued sandpaper as an anti-slip feature to the underside of the guide rail. Keep up the good work!
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kurt’ yes, sandpaper will work well, just need to be a bit careful about the finish on the material! 👍👍
@ogt62
@ogt62 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your very informative videos. Just to let you know I recently bought the Scheppach PL55 saw at a Danish retailer and noticed with pleasure that I could buy a 1400 mm track for a little over 30 GBP😊.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ole! That's excellent - bargain! 👍
@andrewroberts6158
@andrewroberts6158 5 жыл бұрын
Peter this series has more segments then a chocolate orange 😉 I love your ingenuity even if you needed the rail for a day it would be worth making 👍🏻
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@normanboyes4983
@normanboyes4983 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff that should enable us all to keep us on the right track.👍😀🦄😂
@EscapeMCP
@EscapeMCP 5 жыл бұрын
Make your own splinter strips with strips of _solid_ neoprene rubber (different than the foam neoprene that the grip strips use) and some carpet tape to attach them. Takes seconds and makes about 4 strips for a fiver. To go even cheaper, buy wider strips (100mm is the widest I've seen), you can cut them down their length and it doesn't matter about the cut being straight as you'll make them that way when you cut it for the first time with the saw. Pay attention to the width of the strip (and don't forget to add on about 1/2mm for the carpet tape thickness). 5mx100mmx2mm on ebay for £15. That would make 12 strips (@1400mmx25mm). There's also always the option of moving your current (torn up) strip 'out' on the rail and you can get 2 or 3 extra uses out of them - use the carpet tape to re-attach.
@cobberpete1
@cobberpete1 5 жыл бұрын
My first 'Track' saw was a rail for my Circular, and I contact glued the IKEA stop. It works great and I still have it from about six years ago.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
I also made a ‘saw-board’ for my circular saw, way back; worked great, but I didn’t have any grippy stuff in the base, so had to clamp it down all the time. 🤔👍👍
@cbbelanger1099
@cbbelanger1099 5 жыл бұрын
Peter thanks for the in depth review of track saws and rails. I've had my Festool for a good number of years and would not be able to function in my small shop without them. Your review is great for anyone just starting out and gives them a lot of ideas on how to use them to a woodworkers benefit. Take care, CB
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!👍👍
@craigtaylor9005
@craigtaylor9005 3 жыл бұрын
Great work as ever, Peter. Just a thought, the (free) B&Q (or similarly equipped merchant) sheet cutting service would make that tricky initial 6mm cut - provided you bought the sheet material from them!
@mfcosi
@mfcosi 5 жыл бұрын
Can't thank you enough for so much wisdom.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 5 жыл бұрын
Great idea about the Ikea Stopp! I might add some Stopp to the 3m & 1.4m cutting boards I made to use with my circular saw.
@animationcreations42
@animationcreations42 5 жыл бұрын
For the non slip bottom for the track, I would recommend the Poundland carpet grip roll, it's 50mm wide and a couple metres long and surprisingly grippy
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍👍
@stephenshipley1066
@stephenshipley1066 5 жыл бұрын
I've seen people use sandpaper disks.
@caskwith
@caskwith 5 жыл бұрын
One of the things that drew me to the Parkside (aside from it's bargain price of £60 in the early days) was the complete compatibility with festool track. I bought a 1400 length for about £40 on offer, 2/3rds the cost of the saw but oh so worth it and I use it much more than the parkside track. Luckily I can connect the parkside track to the festool so I can have 700, 1400, 2100 or 2800 track combos. Very useful when you have a small shop!
@garypautard1069
@garypautard1069 Жыл бұрын
Similar experience with a Draper track saw bought on line at a very reasonable price. With the kit came two 70cm rails and I tried to buy extra from Draper but you had to purchase from an outlet. I had no luck with this and the Covid situation complicated the whole problem. The solution was I found Evolution rails fitted perfectly .
@caskwith
@caskwith Жыл бұрын
@@garypautard1069 Definitely worth buying a saw that is compatible with an easy to purchase rail.
@garethrosey
@garethrosey 4 жыл бұрын
Just had a giggle to myself when you said that spending £60 on a rail for a £80 saw is crazy, I just bought the Erbauer for £150 and then promptly spent ~£170 on a Makita 3m rail! My man maths says I'm still winning, I was originally going to get a TS55 but talked myself out of it given my limited DIY usage, I may even get a 1.5m rail as well! Thanks for the great videos, I'm rewatching the Tracksaw workshop ones to help get me going.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Man maths - love it! 😂😂👍👍
@riptiz
@riptiz 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter. You can get tracks from Parkside direct around £25.
@SeanHarrison88
@SeanHarrison88 6 ай бұрын
Hi, if you were a DIYer, which is the plunge saw you'd get today? I've ended up getting Makita for most of my other gear so I naturally went to that, but happy to go for cheaper alternatives if it's not worth the extra money. Mainly cut plyboard up to the full sheet so was going to get 2x 1.5m rails to go with it but this video might have convinced me to go DIY on that too! Great series.
@whitedoggarage
@whitedoggarage 5 жыл бұрын
What a good hack, thanks Peter. 👍👍👍
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Been hacking a long while! 😂👍👍
@MrRabbit1967
@MrRabbit1967 5 жыл бұрын
Great video series! You should consider saturating the edges of the rib and “splinter guard” with CA which will make it much less susceptible to wear.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@dobrin.ivanov
@dobrin.ivanov 2 жыл бұрын
what is CA?
@JackMoney
@JackMoney 2 жыл бұрын
@@dobrin.ivanov Cyanoacrylate - super glue, probably thin (runny) in this instance.
@raymondmalone9721
@raymondmalone9721 5 жыл бұрын
good insight to tracks and DIY track
@oneeyedphotographer
@oneeyedphotographer 10 ай бұрын
I'm thinking, seal it with polyurethane varnish top & bottom, then grippy stuff.
@simonfisher3871
@simonfisher3871 5 жыл бұрын
Really good series Peter, thank you. Festool do a 2700mm guide rail which is perfect for full length cuts on 2440mm sheet goods!
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon! Yes, they do a 2700, but it’s pretty hard to get hold of and close to £300 last time I looked. Put another way, that extra 300mm almost adds the price of a Makita 3-metre rail! And 2700 is kind of an awkward length to wield in a small workspace; I just wish they’d make a 2450 instead of 2400... 👍👍
@simonfisher3871
@simonfisher3871 5 жыл бұрын
Healy's have it listed at £235 and DM Tools at £216 (both including VAT). Mine was £185 when I bought it in January 2016. You don't fancy buying the 2700 and snipping a bit off the end then ;-)
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
@@simonfisher3871 Thanks for that Simon! Best prices I'd seen previously were around £285-290! Interesting that D&M don't list the 2400 - maybe they've pulled the plug on that, or just decided to stock it instead of the 2400 - most other places are listing the 2400 at ~£170. And no - I bought the Makita rail way back when it was a fraction of the price of the Festool! 👍
@gerrydoherty7895
@gerrydoherty7895 5 жыл бұрын
Morning Peter, I've really enjoyed the track saw workshop, with that in mind, I've decided to take the plunge ...😊😊( excuse the pun...) Regarding buying a track saw after watching your KZbin series on this tools, Must admit was sceptical about buying a track saw as I Own a contractor's grade table saw (ryobi ) and several skills saws and a dewalt miter saw, I simply didn't see the benefits of one ...... ,But after watching your KZbin series I realise I maybe wrong and I've picked up a very clean makita track saw off eBay ( and I'm very pleased with it..!!) Would simply love "festool tools" but just can't justify the cost of this tools unless they are making you money, and lot of it..!! 😄😄 Anyway, I've decided to take you up on the offer regarding making my own 8ft track rail , don't think I will be brave enough to film it for KZbin at my time of life , but I will write a honest appraisal regarding making and using my own track saw jig and see if it's as simple as it seems ... It's intended as temporary stopgap measure, but hopefully if it's effective as it looks in this episode may hold on to it till Christmas and treat myself to the 3 meter makita rail... Anyway keep up the good work with your KZbin channel and hopefully we will correspond soon. Regards, Gerry
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds good Gerry - let me know how you get on 👍
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 5 жыл бұрын
A bit of candle wax would make that long guide extra slippery... 🤗 I was thinking of routing a shallow 16mm rebate using a router table (or router + fence) on the blank track... then find a length of 16mm X 8mm alum or plastic strip... this would prevent wander of the strip as its being stuck down... a good bit more complication there tho...(its the engineer in me 😂) I like yours Pete, KISS process & does what its supposed to do.!! 😎👍☘️
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of ways you could do this, and yes a ‘commercial’ strip would be better and last longer, but my way is simple, cheap, and can be done with just the tracksaw. 👍👍
@MatthewBuntyn
@MatthewBuntyn 5 жыл бұрын
I use the Makita's anti-tipping feature when making french cleats. I like being able to leave the saw on the track, while keeping the bevel angle set.
@charlesmorland3669
@charlesmorland3669 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter. I bought a Titan tracksaw some time ago and subsequently invested in a Makita 1400 mm rail. This gives me the best of all worlds. A 700 mm rail for small job, a 1400 mmm rail for cross cutting 8 x 4 sheets and a 2800 mm rail for ripping then.
@mphys5370
@mphys5370 5 жыл бұрын
@@charlesmorland3669 do you know what to get a replacement splinter guard for titan
@GregWallis
@GregWallis 5 жыл бұрын
Just a heads-up: the Titan 1200w track saw that you tested a while ago, is (using the Mac Allister badge - and it's EXACTLY the same saw) now on clearance at various branches of B&Q at £70, while the Titan badged saw is now £110 at Screwfix. Got mine today!
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Nice! Yes, SFX and BnQ have the same parent company, you can sometimes find the Titan branded saw there as well at the same price. BTW the follow-on vid to this series (#285) puts the Aldi against the Titan. 👍👍
@GregWallis
@GregWallis 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Just watched it, excellent comparison, I'm glad I went with the Titan/Mac Allister (where DO they get these names from?). Looking at Amazon, Evolution does a set of 2 1400mm rails, plus clamps, plus bag for £65 delivered - might go for that. Putting my cheap and nasty (and hellishly frightening) table saw up for sale. You deserve 100k followers, thanks so much for all your video endeavours.
@richa8308
@richa8308 2 жыл бұрын
I recently bought a track saw with 2 x 1.5m tracks. Is there any reason not to cut one of the tracks in half for smaller cuts (and not to have a 3m track for cuts just beyond 1.5m)? Is there advantage to making the cut asymmetric to give .7m and .8m lengths or even .6m and .9m lengths? Comments greatly appreciated.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, if only because a 3-metre rail is a long thing to manoeuvre! I actually did something similar with a 3-metre rail. Remember that full sized boards are 2440mm, so you really want a 1500mm & 950mm if you're planning on a lot of full-length rips - better to have just the one join in the rail if possible.👍
@richa8308
@richa8308 2 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter; great point; I appreciate your thoughts.
@LostWhits
@LostWhits 5 жыл бұрын
Great series Peter. In the review could you please cut MDF, plywood, melamine, and laminated countertop. I'm interested in the chipping factors on laminate and melamine faced boards.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’ll be doing a ‘difficult’ cut, but can’t do every variation with every blade option. 👍👍
@LostWhits
@LostWhits 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop I was curious in plunge cutting sink cutouts in laminated counters. chipping on top is never good.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve done loads with the Festool without any problems, but I think I’d want better rails than comes with this Aldi.
@stephanie1265
@stephanie1265 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool!! Loved it.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍👍
@Kikilang60
@Kikilang60 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@jwatkins123
@jwatkins123 2 жыл бұрын
Given this video is only 3 years old, it amazes me you can barely get any change from £100 for a 1400 Festool rail now, compared to the £45 you mention in this video!
@alexcharalambous1417
@alexcharalambous1417 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter. I have a festool track and I am getting a dewalt plunge saw tomorrow. I been told by the dewalt rep that the dewalt tracks are compatible with all other makes of plunge saws
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Alex. No. Other way around; the DeWalt saw will work on Festool-pattern rails because the DW saw has the extra groove in the base, but you can’t use eg a Festool saw on DeWalt rails. 👍
@alexcharalambous1417
@alexcharalambous1417 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes you are right thats what I tking he said because I asked him if the DW will run on the Festool rails
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
@@alexcharalambous1417 Yep. It's one thing getting Festool users to switch to DeWalt, but a different matter if they had to abandon their rails in the process!
@steenfraosterbro3268
@steenfraosterbro3268 5 жыл бұрын
I would always advise someone to get the 2700 rail for the 2440 sheets. The extra 260 comes in handy when running the saw straight into and out of the sheet. And yes they are expensive, but connecting two rails gets old really fast.
@blackadder8925
@blackadder8925 3 жыл бұрын
Great series. I’m wondering if you have any rules of thumb for how much longer the rail should be relative to the material you are cutting? Have you thought about extending your long DIY rail an extra foot?
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Depends on what you’re doing. I’ve always been happy plunging into the workpiece at the start of the cut so have never really needed anything longer than a 2.4m rail; if you prefer to fully plunge the saw before starting your cut, then you’ll want a rail that longer than the cut by the length of the saws baseplate. I have a 3-metre rail, have never needed anything longer than that. 👍👍
@JohnSmith-qv3db
@JohnSmith-qv3db 5 жыл бұрын
Dewalt do a 2.6m guide which is about right for cutting down 8x4 sheets but it's difficult to store and move about, I do use it more than I thought I would tho, removes the 'drift' you can sometimes get when joining two rails together and speeds things up when cutting down alot of sheet goods.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yep - closest length you can get to an oversize 2.44 without being ‘too’ long. Good price on the DeWalt too - shame it only works with their saws 🤷‍♂️
@raysmith1992
@raysmith1992 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍😀
@geoffreycoan
@geoffreycoan Жыл бұрын
Oh boy, if only I’d invested in a stock pile of Festool rails and accessories 4 years ago when you said at 6:10 the 1400 rail was £45; its about £110 now. Could have been a millionaire 😂
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын
Better than bitcoin! 😂
@redbank493
@redbank493 5 жыл бұрын
I bought a Kreg Acu cut Rail for my circular saw. Works fine once it’s set up $149 AUD
@dlamb2840
@dlamb2840 5 жыл бұрын
Hiya Peter superb series of uploads thoroughly enjoying watching and well worth the wait. Just wondering if you consider this Aldi saw to be better or inferior to the Titan model you did the Festool vs cheaptool upload. At that time you mentioned that this current series was going to feature the Titan model. Just wondered why you have chosen to use the Aldi model. Just off to watch upload 7!! Cheers.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Hi & thanks! Full review of the Aldi out in due course, together with a comparison to the Titan 👍
@michaelflynn6178
@michaelflynn6178 5 жыл бұрын
Great Tips Thanks
@i679n5
@i679n5 4 жыл бұрын
How did you perform the cut of splitting the guide rail into two?
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Standard blade (48t) in the tracksaw cuts aluminium just fine. 👍👍
@i679n5
@i679n5 4 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop your series have been very helpful. I have a Pattfield PE-1200 TS from Hornbach (€100, additional guiderail €40 with clamps) and a lot of things are more clear now. Thank you!
@i679n5
@i679n5 4 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop one more thing. I learnd, redarding the shape of the guide rails, that few rails alow for the UJK rail clip. Festool have open U-track but many cheaper rails only have C or a closed track. I had to give my rail clip away. Edit: I saw you mentioned it in the Lidl Parkside video.
@Geekolaus
@Geekolaus 5 жыл бұрын
Here in Germany the Festool 1400 track is hard to get for below ~75 €. The Evolution dual 1400 tracks you mentioned in various clips aren't being sold here either, the only way to get them is through Ebay from UK for about ~95 € plus shipping (somewhat between 10 and 18 €), so it's not so cheap either and to be honest I'm quite sure I won't need a joined 2800 rail in the foreseeable future. But Scheppach offers its own 1400 track here and you can get one for ~50 €. I already own a Scheppach PL55 tracksaw, identical to your Aldi Workzone Saw. I got it for about 120€ last year and yeah, the Scheppach splinter guard sucks hard (it doesn't stick to the rail very well, the adhesive is crap), but paying more than half of the price of the entire saw + rail package for one long rail alone sucks pretty much, so basically I'm quite stuck with the option of buying one long Scheppach rail.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting to hear, Mathias - seems crazy that lengths of rail can cost so much - and that longer ones cost so much more again, out of all proportion! Shame you can't get hold of the Evolution rails at a sensible price, they're a good option here. 👍
@Geekolaus
@Geekolaus 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop hey Pete, just got an idea... the Lidl parkside rails, how exactly do they differ from the aldi / scheppach ones? This week (last Monday) the parkside track saw was on sale here in Germany for 80€. If the tracks are compatible and either saw can run on both rails nicely I might still try if I get one of those in one of the three lidl stores around... Two additional short rails and another saw is an interesting deal.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mathias. The Parkside rails have a slightly different profile - you can see it at 4:38 in video #323, and again at 9:18. What I found with the Aldi/scheppach rails is that they were annoyingly different to the 'standard' pattern - I talk about this a bit in video #285 at 4:15. That said I haven't tried joining the parkside and scheppach rails together, so I don't know if there are any other issues. 🤷‍♂️ HTH P
@Geekolaus
@Geekolaus 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you very much! Seems like I need to find a way to get those evolution rails pretty cheap. Unfortunately the german offspring of Screw Fix just got shut down (had a store in town about 4 km away) , they had a few evolution products on sale.
@dap2112
@dap2112 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter great set of videos, question does the Titon track saw (screwfix one) fit festool track as I want the 800 mm from screwfix, its only £47, cheers mate
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, Titan’s a good fit on Festool rails. 👍👍
@dap2112
@dap2112 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop just seen the makita 1400 mm at £49 so will go with that cheers , thank you
@adamcbrewer
@adamcbrewer 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone: "You need an expensive track to make accurate cuts." Peter: "Hold my beer..."
@adrianlk1972
@adrianlk1972 5 жыл бұрын
Does the makita track fit on this saw? I have a pl55li.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Up to a point; more on this in the upcoming review 👍
@adrianlk1972
@adrianlk1972 5 жыл бұрын
So it won't cut on the makita rail? To wide base?
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
It'll cut, but you'll have quite a lot of splinter-guard exposed, which may not produce the best of cuts with the supplied blade. A better blade (eg Key blades and Fixings, link in the description) will make a big difference 👍
@richjmaynard
@richjmaynard 3 жыл бұрын
I think I'd have Wickes do the long cuts on their in-store panel saw!
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Be more accurate making your own long rail, lol! 😂👍
@richjmaynard
@richjmaynard 3 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop really? I've found them to be quite accurate unless you get the in-store clown... I was suggesting using them to make the long DIY guide rail
@Quibus777
@Quibus777 4 жыл бұрын
After thinking and doing stuff with my Skill circular saw I knew I need a track/rail system. But buying a whole saw while having such a nice machine already felt wrong so I looked at just the rail systems. Amazon has a Wolfcraft that accepts most circular saws, set with two rails and a total length of 2.4m, was €80 more of less but not in stock so could take months . The basic attachment and one rail was in stock al around €55 and a second rail would be €45 making it a €100 buy to get about the same yet seeing it for 80 made me growl :) but then I thought about my jigsaw, diamond circular saw for stone (with water attachment) my small circular saw and my router. Five tools that could benefit from a rail system so I just ordered a German system with two rails (100 and 80) rail connector, universal circular and jig saw clamp to hook up to the rails, a router hookup thing, clamps to attach rails to stuff and two stop blocks. Cost me €112 shipped, will receive it this week, and write a reply with name of it and how if works, for now it feels really good to have gotten something that accepts all tools I would like to have rails with with the option to just but more rail and connectors if needed, for a price I would not get a plunge saw with 180cm cm rail. Specially the stone cutter would really benefit from a rail system, the water and stone grin dings create mud on the scribed line on the 50x50x4cm sconcrete tiles I'm cutting at the moment so just setting up and go would make cutting those so much easier.
@Quibus777
@Quibus777 4 жыл бұрын
Ok I have played a little with the system. Kwb line master . For my purposes it's very nice, but to start, the saw and tools (got myself a baseplate for the small angle grinder and will order a baseplate for my 230mm grinder making this line master useable for so many tools) still glide along the rail, a real plunge saw rides on the rail, so more stable and easier to set up same cuts by sliding a new piece of material under the track, this requires new setup for my system. For profs like you Peter this is by no means a replacement, for me, home owner just making stuff and need straight lines or even circles it's ideal and because it works with so many power tools it is a good value for money.. Starter kit came with some neatly things like a slider for knifes and pencils making cutting or marking real easy (also paper) and the router adding has sweet double rotation piece (either use the supplied nail or the p,ate to attach to wood if one does not want to damage workpiece to make circles. I saw tool slider in Amazon warehouse for 8€ so think I will buy that so I use the first to mark my skill circular saw line cut on it making measuring easier. And use the second for the other tools. So the real deal is absolutely better as track saw yet for e simple bloke like me the use of 8 tools with this makes it a pretty sweet buy.
@EdwardT9
@EdwardT9 3 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly, Makita sell tool adapters for router, jigsaw, and circular saw to use their plunge saw tracks. Of course they sell the plunge saw too but the option is there to use the other tools as well.
@JesusvonNazaret
@JesusvonNazaret 5 жыл бұрын
I don't care who was first, I own a mafell and think that festool has the better track and better clamps for the track
@kevinohara8671
@kevinohara8671 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant again Peter iv been thinking about a track for a while I have a festool saw and I was thinking of taking the base plate off as a sacrificial one for the power red devil the festool doesn't have a blade or keeps jumping up inside the body so cos the devil is running great I'm going to glue it on the base got a project making mdf shower cupboards lol
@gvanvoor
@gvanvoor 5 жыл бұрын
In my limited experience I have the impression the rail needs to be at least roughly 10cm longer than the cut you want to make (your cutting the splinter guard in a previous episode seems to confirm this). Wouldn’t be surprised that’s the main reason nobody makes that particular length.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
So why does everyone make 2400 rails, 40mm shorter than the typical sheet length and not 2550 rails? Rhetorical question 🤷‍♂️
@gvanvoor
@gvanvoor 5 жыл бұрын
Peter Millard bonus: at one of the diy stores I regularly “visit” plywood measures 2500x1220 (other sheet goods come in the usual 2440x1220)
@redgar6467
@redgar6467 3 жыл бұрын
You do not normally clamp your guide. Is that a feature of a track saw?
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
The Festool tracks are especially grippy, so I tend not to clamp them for straight cuts, just for bevels. 👍
@nobbywood
@nobbywood 5 жыл бұрын
Take a (look) on the rail from Youtool
@Mikey__R
@Mikey__R 2 жыл бұрын
More *rebate* than Sainsbury's, as my Grandad very nearly used to say.
@matts7135
@matts7135 5 жыл бұрын
Did you say 45 pounds for Festool's 1400 rail?! Its about 110 pounds (150 USD) here in the US.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
They were at the time - had a bit of a price hike since then, but you can still get them for £60 or so. 👍
@parrot340
@parrot340 5 жыл бұрын
So cool love it all. was wondering though. what about buying two Adi Saws? will putting 4 rails together be even better?
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Haha, interesting idea given the price of the rails, but it’s not generally a great plan to have so many joins in a long rail, especially if you need to move it around👍👍
@parrot340
@parrot340 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop I have been so excited about this series. wonder though could you do a test with laminate? I have one Aldi Track saw not got it out yet though. so glad I haven't as your tips for it are AMAZING!! I did see they have been reduced at my Aldi to £69. if your keeping it in the workshop and not moving it around at all. do you think 4 guide rails together would be ok? Or you still think I would better making my own? £300 + for the festool long rail is a little out my budget at the moment.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
parrot340 Honestly, no - just moving it from one bench to another would be enough to unsettle a long rail with that many joins. Unless you desperately want another saw, put the £70 towards the Makita rail. Or have a go at making your own 👍👍
@parrot340
@parrot340 5 жыл бұрын
@@10MinuteWorkshop Just looked at the Makita Half the price of a Festool. so the Aldi Track saw fits the Makitia??
@emmetworkshop2829
@emmetworkshop2829 5 жыл бұрын
For full length cuts, I’ve been using a Titan with its 2x700mm rails attached to the Makita 1400mm rail. It’s ok but even with 3 rails I do need to be careful moving it around as Peter suggests. Making the 1400mm the middle section helps with stability and I’m using double (over and under) connectors at each join. At some point I’ll probably get a second 1400mm Makita instead. Love Peter’s homemade rail but I have a low ceiling and not much spare horizontal storage!
@woodlandguy7246
@woodlandguy7246 4 жыл бұрын
£45 for a 1400 festool rail? Those prices are a lot better than now!
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the difference a year makes! 🤷‍♂️👍
@bluesthemoose
@bluesthemoose 5 жыл бұрын
Great series, but you left out something basic: how to do a cut. How to plunge, kickback etc.
@10MinuteWorkshop
@10MinuteWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had a segment shot about that, but decided it was a bit too basic, and tbh I’ve covered it in other videos. I may include it in the actual review of this saw as it does t have an anti-kickback feature - through in ~12 years of using a tracksaw I’ve never experience kickback. 🤷‍♂️
@dalailager
@dalailager 5 жыл бұрын
Peter Millard I was using my newly set up Lidl track saw yesterday and experienced kick back for the first time. Definitely user error but I’ll make sure to be triple-careful in future, thankfully no injuries just a damaged splinter guard. Good job you showed how to replace it 😀
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