FlagStops! [video

[@colinmorgan8641]

Bought a couple of these, and the flagstop from Bench Dogs and added them to some extruded aluminium that I have. Added a sticky metal tape measure from Axminster (cut to start at the correct point) and bought the Bench Dogs guide rail dogs for my track and I can go from workbench to perfect cutting station in moments. Brilliant design, easy to use, not expensive and consistent length, 90 degree cuts. Just such a great solution - thanks for demonstrating these. And every single time I place the guide rail and track on the bench I know I'm going to cut accurate lengths.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks, appreciate the feedback and good to hear it's going well! 👍

[@Lmolina90]

Thanks for taking the time to do a video on this Peter. Being able to have a good back and forth with even a small company about their product is something that happens too rarely these days. Gadgets like these help pros and hobbyists alike. Now if only we could get more stuff like this to happen on this side of the pond.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! I’m pretty sure the fencedogs and flagstops ship internationally, though I don’t know at what cost - might be worth an ask??

[@Golgafrinchamdent]

Just discovered your channel and I'm enjoying the content... thankyou for posting! I've never used MFT style tables, or any other kind of 'dog-hole' type setup. But now my eyes are opened wide to the possibilities. Especially squaring up sheet goods. I too will be making a portable bench setup and will check out how you did it.

[@craigcoe2804]

I've just received a metal replacement flagstop from benchdogs and it is superb! Brilliant system altogether!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yep, had mine a few days - video out soon 👍👍

[@03Timm]

Great idea, just what I have been looking for. Now purchased all the kit and looking forward to final bench build

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Good stuff, thanks for letting me know 👍👍

[@mikes6844]

Great update Peter, as you know from our ‘comment’ exchanges i have bought one of these to go with the rail and bench dogs and I’m delighted. Great product at a great price. Well done Ralph. Regards Mike

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Mike! Out of interest, I’m getting a fair few comments about flex in the stop; there is a bit but it hasn’t been an issue for me - have you found it to be a problem?? Amazing what folks can deduce from a video... 👍👍

[@Benchdogtools]

Thanks Mike.

[@Benchdogtools]

Yet another great video with our Flag Stop, and again the Fence Dogs. We are in the process of having the flag stop parts laser cut in metal and ill keep you updated when they come available. Oh, and its 3D printed with PLA. I will also look at the potential for adapting these to work with the Festool fence.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

That’s what I said - plasticky stuff 😂 Thanks for clarifying 👍👍

[@RJ_Taylor]

Looks stout. Must have used a pretty substantial infill. Very nice!

[@keithbucknall]

Hi are these still available on the website to buy, these are excellent/

[@Benchdogtools]

@@keithbucknall Yes they are, they are also made with stainless steel flags now

[@smnhpkns]

Got the fence, the dogs and now ordered the flagstops, thanks peter

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Good to hear it, thanks Simon! 👍👍

[@caskwith]

Gotta agree with you on how useful flag stops are. It is an essential part of the sliding table on my table saw, makes cutting small panels super fast and accurate.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yep, so, so handy 👍👍

[@ooznest]

Thanks Peter for another great video! Exciting to see how useful our rails have become for craftsmen like yourself

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Pleasure! You have a great range of products, can’t wait to come and take a closer look!!

[@bulwul1773]

This is an excellent series leading up to a possible portable work top. I’m sure it will be reference material for a long time. Thank you for all the great work.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! 👍👍

[@kestelle1271]

This video series couldn't have come at a better time. I'm just about to start building a new assembly table. Thanks Peter. And thanks to fencedogs and ooznest

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! 👍👍

[@johnmontague69]

I'm going to end your building a whole new tool and machine setup with stuff ☺

[@alasdairmackenzie515]

Another excellent video, Peter! Can't say any more than 'Hats off to you and the two other companies concerned'. I'm in the throes of planning and trying to begin a new workshop - I'll be buying some of this stuff as soon as I can. Best aye!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Alasdair! 👍👍

[@rivergate]

Brilliant! Just what I'll need shortly when I start on my new outfeed/cutting/assembly bench. Thank you, Peter 😃

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Andrew! 👍👍

[@jakefallon2335]

Perfect. Makes a useful guide-rail into a must have for anyone who needs to make repetitive consistent cuts and doesn’t have an MFT. Thanks for the heads up Peter. 👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Steve 👍👍

[@tombristowe846]

Yep; I was one of the people you made this for. I was 3/4 of the way through a bottle of red when I watched #212 and I thought...lovely extrusion...fits your dog 'oles a treat. Now whadyadowithit? Well I know now. Great idea.

[@CritterFritter]

“Bits and pieces.” Lol, I like that.

[@mikes6844]

Having ordered my second flagstop this one has the aluminium plate fitted. Having tested both, the plastic one does have a small amount of flex but as someone else has commented you do have to be a little heavy handed for it to be an issue. The aluminium one is much more rigid, preferring this type. 👍🏻

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Mike. Video out next week about these - they really are a nice upgrade 👍👍

[@martinmackett2758]

Hi Peter Just about to comment on the fact that the plastic flag stops deflect each time you slide a piece of MDF against them. Then right below the comment line was the post from @Bench Dogs about making them in metal, FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@leigh051985]

Does anyone know what accessories for the v rail? Does any of the incra flag stops fit? Peter I have lost count how many times I have said thanks for your content but keep it up👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Leigh! Sorry I can’t help you with the incra bits & pieces, but afaik it’s the standard slot on eg the Festool MFT/3 and accessories, so whatever fits them should fit this. 👍

[@marklocke1416]

Brilliant been looking for something like this for my “Paulk” derived bench this looks just the ticket , been on line ordered the lot ! Thanks Peter ! Looking forward to your bench biuld !!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Fantastic Mark - nice one! 👍👍

[@bryandavies6074]

Great stuff Peter. Accuracy quality and supporting our small businesses

[@chrisallen5548]

I bought the benchdogs and fence from Benchdogs as I've made my own mft table and was looking for a solution like this. It's great. works really well but my flag stops are too short for 6mm mdf which was annoying. I'll see if I can get hold of a new plastic stop. Thanks for this, it saved me ages trawling the internet.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Pleasure - happy to hear it helps 👍👍

[@clintmay6098]

Brilliant! Looking forward to the mobile workbench video

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thank you! 👍👍

[@Filmchippy]

I'm guessing those flag stops would work on the CMS fence too ? I've been using the ones off my Kapex wings but they don't have the long flag part like those ones

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hey Chris. I don’t know tbh - I don’t have anything with the current Festool (MFT/3) extrusion so cant check I’m sorry.

[@steenfraosterbro3268]

Hi Peter. I do have the MFT3 table and use it all the time. I did buy the railsystem for my spare MFT top, and it work really well. These flagstops however looks like they have some deflection on the plastic part. Maybe you could hit Ralph on your speed dial and tell him to make them out of a firmer material. Thanks ☺️

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

There is a small amount of deflection in the acrylic flags, and as long as you’re aware of it I haven’t found it to be an issue. But Ralph tells me he is moving to metal flags in the near future. 👍👍

[@painterman8863]

Thank you Peter,looks like I will be spending more money. Just received my Superior level,a thing of beauty.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Lovely! They are indeed a thing of beauty 👍👍

[@andrewroberts1246]

Hi Peter Great information in this video thanks, and for those people who would rather clamp timber.......I’ll have my cuts straight and square thanks !

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Haha! Good one Andrew. And thanks! 👍👍

[@satanismybrother]

Hi Peter, Apologies if this is a silly question- is it possible to attach a guide rail with a hinge to this rail at 90deg? Looking for a way to emulate the festool mft but with something more removable

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

It’s something I’m working on, but grappling with legal/patent implications. 👍

[@satanismybrother]

ah...patent law....good luck with that!

[@DeanneMariaCreates]

Some people need to engage their brain more. I love the fence dogs; great idea and Flag stop works so well, which makes your life easier

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

It's a great system that works really well, at a good price. 👍👍

[@DavePawson]

Mmm. I'm following your videos around! The 'flags' and rail are really neat!

[@rogersbros]

Great idea. Got my vote for ease of use. Just placed an order for them. Keep up the great work. 🤘

[@tomwilson5822]

It’s just getting better for me. Think there great

[@bigchiefbear]

Thats a super handy set there peter. As you said earlier there are some people that just can't see the importance in speed and accuracy of bench dogs etc. Looking forward to next video.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Jason! Yes, they’re a really neat solution to mobile working 👍👍

[@peckelhaze6934]

Really, this is something that is not comparable to using pieces of wood. It is simple but very effective and should last a lifetime.

[@RegusPitts]

Hi Peter, another great video, thanks for the update on the Benchdogs rail. I’m definitely going to invest in the system. Keep up the good work.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Regus! 👍👍

[@drewpluck8701]

Do they make a t junction to join the fence to two legs so u can use it as an adjustable fence if you get me

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

No, sorry don’t quite get what you mean. Visit their website - link in the description and have a look around at what they have 👍👍

[@tonytony423]

I think this is excellent, I made my own MFT for my work shop using the UJK from axminster. It works great but lacks a drop down guide rail for my plunge saw. If bench dogs uk did a hinged holder for guide rail, we'd be half way to having the perfect work bench. £600 for a festool MFT is out of my reach. The is also a company in Northampton that Ive seen on Ebay that now sell MFT table top replacements in birch plywood £50. Love your videos and your buddies (Gosforth handyman)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Tony! Yes, lots of folk who have big enough CNCs are doing MFT tops now - the guys in Wrexham have been doing them for a while too! The problem I’m running into with the hinged rail is that it may be a Festool patent - really hard to find out without spending money though! 👍👍

[@tonytony423]

I know someone in China. lol As we all know China do not care about anyone's patent. In all honesty even if Festool sold the hinge mechanism separately it would be a huge bonus.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Oh, they do! You can buy the hinged bit as spare parts, just not very economically. www.mtmc.co.uk/Spare-Parts/Festool-Spare-Parts/Festool-Workplace-Organisation-Spare-Parts/Festool-MFT-1080-/-490916-Spare-Parts__p-240-13767-12734845-93802.aspx 50 - Support unit FAP-388551.A2 @ £104 and 69 - Support unit FSP-488549.A2 @ £65 (had to get that price from elsewhere)

[@jimcoogan1529]

These are the sort of things I have been looking for. Thanks.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

You, me, and a fair few others Jim! 👍👍

[@FranksDIY]

Love that system and especially the flag stop.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yep, really nicely done 👍👍

[@jimmustill222]

Hello peter, Thanks again for another top vid on these new items I'm about to build a 3 metre MFT style bench in the garage. the metal profile is great but annoyingly to big. the mft fence is can be flipped but is only..... well at a guess 30mm one way and 12mm the other i want a big long fence that can be removed, flag stops the lot but folding down the track across the last 150mm of the 20mm high profile to cut a ... let's say 3mm piece of MDF seems like a bit o a nightmare to much flex and area for the blade to wander into the piece I know I could pack up but again too much faffing about and risk of slipping does Festool do a long fence?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hi Jim. I don’t think so, no. I have my MFT set up permanently for 18mm sheet, and pack it up with 6/12mm as needed. Works well for me 👍👍

[@jimmustill222]

might just clamp a bit of wood down instead ;) !! thanks for the speedy reply, think Festool are missing a trick not selling the stock profile

[@tonyfudge2940]

Thanks Peter just ordered mine all we need now is a hinged track saw attachments and I will be able to retire my mister saw.

[@tonyfudge2940]

Nice to see auto correct is working

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Don’t tell me Tony - your name’s not Fudge... 😂👍👍 I got the gist of it, thanks! 👍👍

[@tonyfudge2940]

ho yes it is fudge and herd them all .😄😄

[@barryirby8609]

I have been buying Festool stuff at various tool and estate auctions. I have gotten three of the Festool rails and finally got an MFT. I have done two things that appear very good. One, I added one of the rails to the fence on my Radial Arm Saw. (I know, I know....I bought it over fifty years ago when I was a kid and they were all the rage.) I had to remake the flag to reach down to the table and added a tape measure to the rail. Very useful. And a friend and I made tall dogs with a bolt inthe top and added them to the track saw track and shorter versions I added to the Festool rail. I removed the hinges. The advantage is I can "store" the track and rail on the surface of the table and confined in the perimeter, making moving and storing the table much easier and more compact. Also, using the dogs bolted to the slot in the tract moves the cut line between the holes.

[@paulchambers4137]

Another hugely informative video - thank you Regarding the combination of the oozenest extrusion and benchdog rail dogs, do you know what the current correct combinations are? Oozenest have a clearance rail and a new normal one Benchdogs have the rail dogs in an M5 and an M6 Any ideas? Thank you in advance, a great setup and will make a huge difference

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks. Sorry, not sure I follow re the M5/M6 rail dogs in the context of this video, and tbh this vid is pretty old, so I’m not 100% sure if the range that benchdogs or Ooznest have currently. Might be better asking them direct, I think? Re M5/M6 rail dogs, I suspect they’re to do with Mafell/Bosch rails which have a much smaller t-slot, but as I don’t own either I’m afraid I couldn’t say for sure, sorry! 👍👍

[@paulchambers4137]

@@10MinuteWorkshop not at all It was on the off chance you may have had a better understanding 🙂 thank you as always for your guidance and support

[@almagill]

*lightbulb moment* These are excellent!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

They really are 👍👍

[@SBTDesigndotcodotuk]

Great stuff Peter, those stops look the business.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Steve. They’re really neat, little bit of flex to them as the flags are acrylic, but a metal version on the way, apparently 👍👍

[@philsexton5761]

Hi Peter, I bought them all immediately as it’s a brilliant idea and started using them in my own bench. However I have noticed more and more how tight them seem to be getting when compared to my veritas, Axminster and other dogs. My bench board is Medite MDF so should be fine but I am now having to fight to get the dogs out so I got my Peter Sefton Caliper out and lo and behold, the Benchdogs are .2 millimetres bigger. You may want to do a comparison and speak to the guys to see if they know about this?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Phil. I’ll check with Ralph and see if he’s had any other comments - is your bench board an MFT original or a third-party / home made piece? Not trying to point the finger, just to understand where the issue may lie. I haven’t had any problems with mine in an ‘original’ MFT, just FYI. 👍👍

[@philsexton5761]

Peter Millard No it’s a UJK made table from Axminster. Have you seen the UJK kit that was designed by Peter Parfitt (is everyone called Peter on KZbin lol). It’s brilliant and all my festool, Axminster and Veritas dogs all fit perfectly. I measured all the dogs and the Benchdogs are just over 20 mil and the others are all just under. Do a quick test with yours but all 4 of mine have the same issue. Phil

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Phil. I’ll check mine when I’m back in the workshop and when it isn’t a giant spray booth! As I say I’ll mention it to Ralph, but as the customer you probs need to shoot him an email to let him know as well 👍👍

[@philsexton5761]

Peter Millard for the moment I am using others but I thought if you are doing a bench build video, it maybe worth letting you know as it could effect what you are doing or even the people watching your videos that have purchased similar to myself. Cheers Phil

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Phil Sexton Thanks, appreciate you letting me know, and I’ll be sure to pass the message along to Ralph at Benchdogs. As I say, the only tops I have are Festool originals and the Fencedogs fit perfectly, as do the other dogs I have. And yes, everyone on KZbin is called Peter, lol! 😂👍👍

[@thomashawkins2395]

Fantastic just ordered the set up from the supplier list

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

👍👍

[@FFVoyager]

I was imagining a way they could work on the MFT rail - by machining the stop so that it could be 'turned round' and not overlap the Festool rail. Then you showed it fitted to the short side. Would need to measure up but it still might work well for both?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

That might work, though due to the depth of the MFT fence the flag is never going to be completely clear tbh 👍👍

[@alanmullock381]

A British company that actually listens to customer feedback?? I need a lie down! Thanks for all you are doing Peter👍👍👍👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Alan - and I know, who’d have imagined?? 😆👍

[@BischBaschBosch]

I think the key here is that BenchDog are still a small company. There should be a saying or something like "the more they grow, the more they think they know". Picked up some of the fence dogs (thanks for the heads up Peter) and some of the bench top protectors too. The bench protectors are really cool looking but quite shallow which I find makes pulling them out of the bench holes a bit of a chore sometimes. Should've got some cookies instead I think. Like that they doing a flag stop too but will wait for a metal version I think.

[@carlblakesley6723]

Just brought a jig to make an mft top . The Fence / fence and rail dogs . Should enable me to cross cut components accurately on a tight budget.. thanks Peter. I make wardrobes and wall paneling so this will optimise my plunge saw and help assembly of doors etc to sqaure

[@xX88B88Xx]

Don’t acknowledge the haters Peter, your videos and relationships with these smaller companies rule! Transforming so many woodworkers into better woodworkers.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

👍

[@dap2112]

I am one who went to ooznest and got myself £80 worth or v slot for a table I am working on top work Peter great video with awesome ideas

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Dave! I don’t think you were alone in spending a fair few quid at ooznest! Hope the table goes OK 👍👍

[@ooznest]

Thanks for coming down, hope you like our products!

[@leigh051985]

I've purchased a length from Ooznest, and the quality is amazing. I went for the black extrusion 👍

[@dap2112]

I am very pleased and am about to order the next stage of my build

[@thomaskitchin3517]

Excellent, thanks for sharing. Ordering when I've done typing, reading a reply below... Now Re the 'maybe' patent... Besides it's a wonderful and fascinating subject, besides any legal context. (right to repair, copy left, walled playground etc) Couldnt one allude and discuss in a context of learning/design appreciation 👮🌟🤔😁

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Haha, possibly Tom, possibly. I’m reminded of the Lotus 7 sports car, originally sold as a kit to avoid sales tax (pre -VAT). HMC&E (or whatever they were then) complained that it came with a manual on how to build it, as any ‘enthusiast’ should have the knowledge to do this themselves. The Govt. upheld the complaint and insisted that it be sold without a manual. So Lotus sold it with a ‘service guide’ that showed you how to take it apart... 😂😂👍👍

[@thomaskitchin3517]

hahah might have been one of those in a friends dads garage when I was growing up. Keen to see how it all pans out - interesting vid floating about of spurious trainers coming from China as soon as the official ones are off the production line. Worst case we'll all have to muck in for lawyer!! 🤣😁👍

[@silverfox8801]

Just what I’ve been looking for you beautiful man!!!! 👍👍

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

😆👍👍😂😂

[@alsutton3779]

Hi Peter. Love the channel and podcast and these have been a great couple of videos about designing your own mft - thanks for sharing. Can I ask please, did you buy the v-groove with the M5 tapping?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Al. Have to confess I’ve no idea if I have the channel with M5 tapping - so I presume not! 👍👍

[@alsutton3779]

Thanks for coming back to me Peter

[@CritterFritter]

My advice to others is to order, price be damned, extrusions, screws, knobs and nuts from one vendor to ensure all the flippin’ parts play well with each other. Good grief. Metric vs imperial vs Series 5, 20, and so forth. Yet another language to learn. What a painful bowel movement. Love the concept, bought the products and now I’m quite hosed trying to cobble teeny-weenie bits and parts together and make one frickin’ fence 😝.

[@normanbott]

Looks good. I did notice a bit of flexing of the 'plastic' flag on close-up - could that be a problem if you're working quickly? Maybe aluminium / steel for the flag? Not trying to be critical, just what I saw on the video.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

You’ll need to be a little careful with them, yes. Ralph has plans for a steel-flagged version in the pipeline, but these are here now at a great price 👍

[@myfaceback100]

I wish i had them a few week ago when i was making 4 chests of drawers. I am getting them tonight for sure

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Be sure to use the offer code ‘10minuteworkshop’ at checkout for a 5% discount! 👍👍

[@jsfaulds]

There looks like there is a slight deflection in the stop when you push the MDF to it

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Yep. So slight I haven’t found it to make a difference as long as you’re aware of it, but Benchdogs are aware and planning a steel flag version 👍

[@jsfaulds]

Again Peter, I'm buying, your costing me again. Just bought a Bosch GAS18V-10L Professional Cordless Wet & Dry 18v Vacuum, Using it tomorrow I'll see how it compares to the Aldi vac you made me buy for under £30 :)

[@garydoyle2994]

4:49, so much flex in the flag stop

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

😂👍

[@OliWarner]

I think the conclusion here is you need a "MDPEHDABSWTFBBQ" 3d printer so you can just make this stuff to purpose. On a serious note, it looks like you get a fair bit of flex at that length. Perhaps one either side of the block, linked, would add some rigidity.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

That’s wha It said - plasticky stuff 😂😂 Crikey, everyone’s going fanatical about the flexing! There’s a bit, but it’s consistent and hasn’t been a problem for consistent repetitive cuts, especially if you’re aware of it. But there’s apparently one planned with a stainless flag 👍👍

[@Ian-xy7xi]

As ever thanks for sharing +++

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Cheers Ian 👍👍

[@l1verm0m]

Hi Peter... I actually got the flag stop with my order from Benchdogs and indeed have found it very useful. Following on from your comment about small company responsiveness I would suggest a small criticism or at least something to be aware of. Being made from high density plastic or whatever you have to be a little careful when pushing material up to the stop because being a little heavy handed can cause it to deflect especially when cutting 18mm or wider material. It may only be a matter of 1 or 2 mm but when you are trying for perfectly aligned faces it can be a little frustrating. Perhaps this may be an issue with all these types of stops, but I didn’t notice it as much with the festool supplied stop

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

There is a little bit of flex in the acrylic flags - there's a metal flag planned apparently - but I haven't found it to be an issue in use, as long as you're aware of it and treat it with a little bit of respect. But Ralph is aware and has improvements planned. 👍👍

[@craigcoe2804]

@@10MinuteWorkshop I've just taken delivery of the flagstop and fencedogs yesterday. I've not had chance to test things properly yet, but there did seem to be a bit of play in the plastic 'flag'. The fencedogs though seem brilliant on 1st impressions! I've bought a 1.5m and 2.3m length of v-groove extrusion as I need longer than a metre usually! I'll post some more feedback after work today!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Craig Coe Thanks for letting me know Craig. As per my response above, there is a little bit of flex in the acrylic flag; I haven’t had an issue with this and as log as you’re aware of it then it shouldn’t be an issue in normal use. But as I said above, Benchdogs are planning an upgrade to a metal flag before too long. And yes, the ooznest extrusion is excellent - they told me a few people have ordered up some long lengths, yours must have been one of them! Look forward to seeing what you make with it 👍👍

[@craigcoe2804]

@@10MinuteWorkshop I have to confess that my extrusion came from the manufacturing unit across from my workshop! It is a little bit warped but both pieces were £27! Apologies for mentioning the flex in the flagstop - reading through the other comments I see you have had to repeat yourself a bit! I'm looking forward to trying it all out today properly - it looks like exactly what I wanted without buying an mft3!

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Craig Coe No problem at all Craig - though I wish I had £1 for everyone who mentioned it, lol! Hope it goes well 👍👍

[@Thesidingsworkshop]

Lol brilliant dig at the idiots mate lol looks decent I might have to invest as iam currently in the process of 're organising and sorting my workshop

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! Well, not really a dig, but I genuinely don’t know what to say when people just don’t see the benefit of something so obvious🤔👍👍

[@Thesidingsworkshop]

Peter Millard it was funny though mate. Some people can't be helped or always know better......... my father in law springs to mind lol

[@watchthisspace688]

Hi, this looks great and I am considering buying some. I understand what this does and how the flag stop works, I'm struggling to work out how this would help with repeat cuts on my custom made portable MFT table top, are you saying you still need the fixed position festool track aswell. If so can you do a video on that to show how that would work on a portable top and where to buy parts to attach it. Thanks, Colin

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

How are you making cuts on your MFT-style top now? Benchdogs? Raildogs? I’m assuming you’d carry on doing the same, but the addition of a fence and stops means you can make repetitive cuts easily. 👍

[@watchthisspace688]

Hi, I do not have a fixed position festool track I've been using the festool parallel guide which does have a stop for repeat cuts but this is only good for short lengths. I have made enquires about the hinged system for the track but it looks like it would be cheaper to buy the MFT table than to get the bit to adapt my custom one.

[@markarmstrong2592]

Great to use smaller company as there after sales is much better normally. And there products are more affordable

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Very true 👍

[@ashdaleconstruction929]

Metal flag stops? Post a video,I'm waiting to order but want to see if the flex problem has been addressed. 💪🏻

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

As soon as I have a set to test, I will. But just to be clear, I’ve been using the acrylic flag stops without any problem at all. The ‘flex problem’ seems to be in the minds of people who’ve never used them. Just sayin’ 👍👍

[@ThekiBoran]

It'd be nice if Benchdogs used a Ruwi type flag stop. It's super beefy with virtually no deflection.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Tell them! They’re very responsive to feedback. 👍👍

[@Synthergie]

This is fantastic. I keep a large stock of mdf sheets at my shop. This video means I can probably buy a festool router and track to make the top (amongst other things of course) and all the gubbins, for the same price as the mft 3 👍 Incidentally Peter, which router do you use with your lr32? I have a trend t11 fixed into a table, but I'm looking to buy a router for off table use. This is the perfect excuse 😂

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

cheers Ben! I use an old OF900 dedicated to the LR32, but if you’re buying new today then the OF1010 would be my choice - great router! 👍👌

[@Synthergie]

@@10MinuteWorkshop That's great, I'll look out for one, thanks again!

[@NicoSmets]

I notice the plastic flag stop flexing when you push the board against it. That interferes with my ocd :0)

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

In which case, you should probably wait for the metal-flagged version👍👍

[@GeeTheBuilder]

Hi Peter. Great video as always. I’m a bit worried about saying the next bit, you seem a bit irritated by some comments, but I hope you take this as it’s meant. In the video when you pushed the wood up to the stop the “plasticy thing” bent back and then rebounded. Now, if that happens each time consistently great, but what if it’s a heavy long bit of wood with a lot of inertia to overcome to allow the plasticy thing to bounce back? Do you get this slight bounce with metal stops? The whole idea of stops is of course that they are perfectly repeatable. How have you found them to be in terms of repeatability? Due to the visible bounce? I’d like to order some but the 3d printed bits put me off due to this apparent bounce due to the flex. Should I be concerned? Hope the comment is taken constructively:) Cheers Graham

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Hi Graham. No, not irritated at all, lol. Yes, there is a slight flex with these acrylic flags, and yes it is absolutely consistent in my experience, so repeatable cuts are easy, especially if you’re aware of it. I understand that there will be a stop available in due course with a stainless steel flag, but I’ve had the current version for a little while and haven’t had any issues with making consistent, repetitive cuts. 👍👍

[@GeeTheBuilder]

Peter Millard good stuff! It would make my life so much easier to have one of these in combination with the fence dog things 👍 Screwing a bit of 2x4 to the bench each time for a fence has not been the best approach - not sure why someone would thing it is lol :)

[@davidfarnall3211]

Until he comes up with a metal flag, maybe you could cut down a steel "T" repair plate and replace the plastic flag with that? Just a thought.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks David. I don’t actually have a problem with the acrylic flag tbh - there’s a little bit of flex in it but nothing to bother me if used with a bit of nous 👍👍

[@ThePhiloctopus]

The only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger on this setup is a hinged guide rail adaptor and the guiderail receiver/clamp. It would be amazing if these two components could be designed as benchdog components, so that I mount the hinge part on the back row of holes, and the receiver anywhere (probably the front set of holes). UKJ does a parf dog with a rail clip, and this lets you register your rail to any set of holes, but I would love a hinged system, ala festool style, only based off of the holes on the top and not the rails on the sides. Do you think such a system is possible?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Possible? Yes, absolutely. But I’m trying to find if there are any copyright/patent implication in the hinged rail idea, seeing as how it’s ‘so obvious’ and yet nobody else is doing it.👍

[@ThePhiloctopus]

That could be it. I've wondered for a while now why nobody has done it; the only thing I came up with was that it was technically impossible for a reason I hadn't considered. I'm probably going to give the parfdog/rail clip a try, and if I don't like that I may have to bite the bullet and get Festool's MFT3. I know I won't regret it, but my Australian wallet is already crying over a $1,335 table with holes in it.

[@iangrindey]

ThePhiloctopus You could just buy the festool hinge components and add them to your own table. Cost @ £130

[@iangrindey]

wforl Why not put holes in your edges?

[@ThePhiloctopus]

wforl that isn't a bad idea actually

[@lobbylobbster]

Unfortunately there's a lot of KZbin viewers with only the I.Q. of a rather small sprout. 😂 love the channel as always. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Pete - though to be fair the same could be said of a lot of KZbinrs 😂👍👍

[@johnmcmunn3827]

nice set-up .. only negative: the Flags need to be aluminium Too much flex in material you show in video. cheers john

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

There are steel flags coming, apparently.

[@keithscrafts]

Take my money. I have everything else ready.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

😂😂👍👍 Hey, there’s always more... 🤔

[@keithscrafts]

@@10MinuteWorkshop How big are you building your new bench? Will it be deeper than the mft to accommodate wider panels?

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Keith Gallagher No, it a small portable bench for installs; current one is ~1400 x 500, new one will probably be 1200 x 600 or so, but I’m still noodling this around.

[@thinkdavecom]

Aaargh, take my money Ralph

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

That’s exactly how I felt! 😂👍👍

[@thinkdavecom]

Peter Millard Peter, is the next video in this series 'how to make a hinged track saw rail'? I think that's the final step in being able to make an MFT from scratch.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Well, that would be giving away the plot 🤔 In all seriousness I’m still trying to find out if there are any copyright/patent implications, but it’s on my list.

[@rivergate]

+Peter Millard Unlikely, but some companies would try and Copyright air if they could... I can think of one drinks company that bottled tap water from the factory and sold it across the world (briefly!)... no names will be mentioned lol!

[@couplandsj]

Peter, not sure if you've seen this hinge design...? I know you are looking at something similar and may be concerned about patent issues, but this design appears to have been sold commercially (to some degree..!). festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/new-and-improved-guide-rail-support-unit-rsu2/

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Simon Coupland Thanks Simon. Haven’t been on FOG for ages, so I hadn’t seen this, no. Interesting take on it - a slightly different direction from the one I’m taking with my portable bench, which is much simpler in concept. 👍👍

[@couplandsj]

Peter Millard glad you said you're doing something simpler..😊 I actually found that one via Pintrest, which then led me to FOG.

[@joelriley4850]

Here is the file for the 3d printed part www.thingiverse.com/thing:921862, I have printed my own, and fashioned an aluminium flag stop so no bend. Now to add an adhesive tape measure... These definitely do fit perfectly to the MFT3 rail, as that is what I have, no overhanging, touch the table top perfectly. You must have an old version? I bought a 3d printer so I could go through and print all thingiverse festool items, which appears to be what fencedogs are doing as well, and selling them. By the way, you can match festool green in PLA and print little green knobs to match! shop.3dfilaprint.com/filaprint-apple-green-premium-pla-175mm-3d-printer-filament-1267-p.asp

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks. Yes, I have the older MFT 1080, good point. 👍

[@Mrfreezeee1]

Nice if they keep it at a reasonable price ,12lbs that like what 36 american dollaros ...lol

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Haha - we wish, Syd! 😂😂👍👍

[@dleivam]

Brilliant.. About dumb comments, don't care about them, internet is full of dumb people.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks! 👍👍

[@alexnosheds]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@craigbooth4724]

The block looks like it is 3D printed. The stop could do with being a little stiffer - there seemed to be some deflection when the board was pressed against it.

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

You need to treat it with some respect, yes. Ralph’s looking at getting the flag made from steel in a future model. 👍

[@kramerdesign9443]

I was about to post the same thing - Making one out of steel yourself looks fairly trivial though, so I'd still be into it just for the sliding mechanism.

[@DavePawson]

No more flagstops on Benchdogs.co.uk - shame really.

[@DavePawson]

Take that back Peter. Search on his site(for flagstop) ? #fail. Google gives me benchdogs.co.uk/products/flag-stop-festool-mft-lever Tks

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Thanks Dave; you need to search for Flag Stop, not flagstop; - benchdogs.co.uk/search?options%5Bprefix%5D=none&options%5Bunavailable_products%5D=last&q=flag%20stop%2A%20product_type%3A%2A&ref=1x_p0bagtnr&type=product

[@johnmontague69]

Unlimited amounts of uses for this style track & guide if your imagination is up for the challenge. It's a lot more sturdy than T-track. 8 feet of T-track would need the ends and a couple of intermediate fixings to keep it from bending but not this stuff, this looks 4 times more rigid and wouldn't need any fixings to keep it straight. I can see sliding table saw sleds router sleds router guides tool guides with glide and slide systems. I just wonder if you have a wall bench and 2 rows of this parallel sunk into the workbench surface the whole length, would it be possible to slide your tools along it? For example if you fitted all of your machines with feet that fit this track Mini Bandsaw, Chop Saw, Drillpress, Compound MiterSaw, Mortiser, RADIALARMSAW, small router table, you know, the usual culprits that need fixed to a bench. Just reach under the bench grab the machine slip it onto this track lock it down use it slide it up the bench, grab another machine lock it down use it slide that out of the way, grab another machine, just keep flinging them up there sliding them back and forth. I'm thinking a 16 foot long bench with this track sunk into it. My imaginations working overtime here lol. I think its a brilliant system for locking machines down that you would normally screw down onto your bench. Any thoughts? Yes Vote Y? No Vote N? ☺

[@10MinuteWorkshop]

Interesting idea! I’m planning a visit to ooznest before too long to see exactly what they have to offer - they do 8040 C channel that looks very interesting. Apparently gets used for making camera slides etc... 🤔😆👍

[@johnmontague69]

Now that sounds like a plan Peter. Camera stability rigs or tracks are something I never thought of. Brilliant ideas flying back and forth on this aluminium extrusion stuff. We use it on the railway to hold up the copper overhead wires but it's sizes are 6x2 5x3 4x2 and as long as we need it to be. Special orders obviously and only used on the railway. A 4 meter length of 5x3 extrusion with its components is about £700 lol. Next time your looking onto an electrified line take a look up at each stanchion and you'll see what I'm taking about. I've got a Nikon p900 Coolpix I'm still trying to suss the bugger out after a year! Maybe I'll get it a bit of aluminium track at some point in it's life lol.

[@leigh051985]

Great idea, I seen something similar on Pinterest. I was thinking of a framing square

[@mauromaltagliati2460]

you are giving a horrible advice. At 6.06 you can clearly see the flag stop that bends under the hit of the piece to be cut. Why? Just because it is plastic made. Never, NEVER use a plastic stop!

[@ThekiBoran]

I have their metal ones and they also flex, (and I did let them know). The flag stops, even the metal ones, are the weak link in the system. They need something like a Ruwi flag stop.