Peugeot 9x8 Has Winning Potential

[@rockzs74r]

Of course it's the Livery. The grey livery is the one slowing them down. That white livery add more downforce and less drag

[@mtekleel]

😂😂

[@peterflynn9123]

It is irrefutable lighter!!

[@Xiphactinus]

The broken TV livery has its upsides after all

[@gtone339]

Smart move by the Pug team 😃

[@FormulaJonah]

I should totally edit the video with a fade to black and say “or it’s the livery” and then just end the video lol.

[@e2rqey]

The Monza Circuit also really suited their car concept. Especially with how valuable low drag is there and how smooth the track surface is. I would be shocked if the 9X8 is ever competitive at tracks like Sebring due to how much of their total downforce is generated by the floor and diffuser.

[@nomiguda]

Sebring is likely off the calendar for good so that's a slightly moot point when it comes to WEC. And other american circuits that WEC will race at instead have nowhere near the level of bumpiness.

[@Nicks62999]

@@nomiguda yeah but they can enter the 12 hours if they want to, just to do a proper reliability test to set up Le Mans. Like when they sent the 908s against the American Le Mans regular teams

[@maxb148]

​@@Nicks62999 Technically Peugeot wouldn't be able to enter the 12 hour as it is an IMSA run event and under the IMSA rules for a brand to enter they need to sell a certain amount of cars in the US but Peugeot doesn't reach this threshold but the 9X8 could be rebranded to most likely Dodge (as they are both under the Stellantis group) to get around this regulation.

[@nomiguda]

@@maxb148 confident but incorrect. Aston don't sell 2500 cars in the US, the supposed threshold. It's a minimum number of cars sold per annum internationally. I still doubt Peugeot enter IMSA in the forseeable future as they don't sell cars in the USA.

[@Bncxx1275]

@@maxb148 good news Peugeot regular car will come at US Renault too

[@alexcarolan8825]

You're killing it with this channel. I love being able to be up to date with WEC, IMSA and more

[@FormulaJonah]

Thanks for the support! Glad you like the content.

[@coffeebomb_35]

And just when I started losing hope in them due to their poor performance, Le mans happened. I was suprised when they were leading the race during at night. But their performance at Monza completely blew my mind during practice and qualifying, especially the whole race. I guess you have BOP to thank that, but it brought intense racing. I really hope that they continue improving the 9x8. Cause in the next coming months and next year, its going to be tough for them with the other manufactures joining.

[@Bncxx1275]

Too bad Mercedes don't like BoP They reject their current hypercar getting BoP They Will not build lmh/lmdh car too

[@coffeebomb_35]

@@Bncxx1275 mercedes??? Source??

[@sixstar0123]

Thanks for sharing about Peugeot 9x8. At Monza I was so excited when the 9x8 overtook Toyota at the straight line. I hope they win soon.

[@Walker_41279]

I'm amazed by Peugeot's progress. From having almost certain DNFs at Bahrain, to first get the reliability set right to then push with Pace. Le Mans was an eye opening race. They did amazing, even leading in the rain and in the early night hours. They promised a Podium for a year since debut, and they did deliver. Peugeot even if it has a widely different concept, they have a lot of potential, I expect Peugeot to be a new challenger for 2024.

[@jonpetter8921]

They could en up on the podium in Le mans if not the unforced crash

[@unclebanga5976]

Their main reliability issue has been the gearbox, which I believe is in-house. So once they get that sorted and all the other general little issues here and there then I'm sure they'll definitely be a contender. Peugeot know how to win, although i think this time it'll be much more difficult due to the larger amount of competition.

[@andersondrezende]

I'm happy its doing better. I was afraid such an unique design would be brutally discarded if they pulled the plug on the whole program for a lack of results, like what happened to the GT-R LM.

[@protossjr]

came back to the WEC after a long time away... went for peugeot as I love the car design... been a journey this season and the podium was amazing!

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Awesome video. Very informative and concise, thank you for respecting your viewers time. Love the design of this car. It looks great in any colour the all black reveal cars makes me think of a Xenomorph. Would love to see it in a green especially a dark green so it can show of the cars curves. Looking forward to the next video. Keep up the good work.

[@AloneRacecar]

Just imagine if they end up winning Le Mans in the next few seasons. It will pretty much make it all a full circle!

[@chicozilla1988]

It's really cool to see that Peugeot is starting to get their pace, it does take some time to get the kinks sorted out but i think the 9x8 is capable of top class dominance once the issues are taken care of, even before hand with the GT40 it was bad at first but then it became a beast on the track so we could possibly see the same for the 9x8. I'm rooting for both Peugeot and Cadillac for these upcoming seasons of WEC and IMSA and hope they do good

[@darudy]

Great video as ever! Also the Peugeot hype train was real in the 24h….

[@dra911]

It's such a cool car to look at! What scope do manufacturers of LMH (and LHDH) cars have for modification before triggering a re-homolgation requirement? I understand costs need to be contained... And that's why we have BoP. Would be an interesting topic to explore. Great video, thanks!

[@peterflynn9123]

Im not an aero expert, but the benefit if no wing is less drag.... but they have to have a minimum drag coefficient (hence the large guerney flaps at the rear wheels). So a heavy reliance on ground effect and no benefit in less drag

[@paulreilly3904]

I think the recent tracks have favoured them. Because of the lack of a wing downforce created is dependent on ride height and on bumpy tracks it's hard to keep the car close to the track and thus maintain that downforce. Secondly their choice of a small 2.6 litre V6 allows, with the longitudinal placement allows for good underfloor tunnels but it doesn't seem to have the punch. And Sadev need to sort that gearbox. Carbon I believe. It's great to see such an unusual design, and I really am a Peugeot supporter, but I'm not convinced yet.

[@wolfthiel1894]

Theyre running narrower tires in the rear than some other teams at 31cm vs 34cm for others, which might account for the corner exit difference

[@paulreilly3904]

@@wolfthiel1894 thank you for the information. Are they running narrower rear tyres so as not to interfere with the tunnels?

[@arquilus7954]

@@paulreilly3904 they use the same tyre size on the front and the rear because when they started developing the car the regulation only allowed to have the same size of tyre at the front and at the rear When the regulation changed the concept of the 9x8 was already too advanced to change the tyre size since they based their aero on the same size of tyre Since that has a huge impact on traction on exit of low speed corners, I’m not sure but they might change the tyre size for next year so it will have consequences on the bodywork or something like that

[@paulreilly3904]

@@arquilus7954 that's a great explanation, and it makes sense. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. You have helped me increase my knowledge and understanding of this sport I love. ::

[@arquilus7954]

@@paulreilly3904it’s a pleasure 👍

[@phildunne7260]

Thanks FJ. I’m glad they are finally heading in the right direction. It is such a unique looking car that the WEC need it in the class. The real question is why are LMH outperforming the LMDH? Any thoughts?

[@camrsr5463]

Great videos as always. Question....Is it possible or likely that GTP / Hypercar will release an evolution kit upgrade not unlike GT3?

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

GR010 is on its third evo kit right now, the front wing is gone for a TS040 style nose, new brake ducts are on the car and new shark fins&endplates are on the car and that’s just the visual stuff

[@FormulaJonah]

I think it’s possible, but I need to do more research. If I find out a better answer, I’ll try to let you know! Thanks for watching and glad you liked the video.

[@queen-emeraldas5514]

​@@FormulaJonahFor sure they are not allowed to bring new high downforce or low downforce aero package like we saw with the top tier LMP1 from 2015 to 2020. Just little upgrades like in the old days...

[@Nicks62999]

They can win at fuji with the lowered hybrid activation speed (135 kmh vs 190 for toyota and ferrari). That'll give them amazing traction out of the final sector into the long main straight.

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

Why is everyone ignoring the BoP that hit every car that was ahead of peugeot on pace? Ferrari and LMDh cars are now below 500 kw and toyota’s at max weight since le mans while peugeot was largely untouched by the BoP

[@monfortnicolas5448]

Peugeot started to develop their car when the Hypercar regulation was supposed to be set in stone. However the new regulation did not please Toyota because it basically meant they had to develop a whole new car. Add to that Ferrari was coming and all of sudden the Hypercar regulation turns into "downgraded LMP1 regulation" Toyota GR010 is just a TS050 LMP1 same fo the Ferrari. Both are just downgraded LMP1 in terms of raw engine power the aero is definitely that of an LMP1. Peugeot made the right choices at the wrong time, the regulation shift played against them and now they are stuck with their concept which regarding the regulartion is not the most effective and it's just SAD because Hypercar should be reminiscent of cars you can see on the road and produced by the manufacturer and not weird prototypes.

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

@@monfortnicolas5448 you’re thinking of toyota and aston martin, not peugeot and toyota

[@Mati03x]

Fantastic video !

[@FormulaJonah]

Thank you very much!

[@jimmyrobinson3310]

Hey @Formula Jonah can you do an update on any entries such as the de tomaso, alfa romeo and hyundai. I haven't heard much from them and would love to see all three racing.

[@FormulaJonah]

Most definitely! I’ll be sure to make video on that topic soon, just been super busy recently with making the race previews and race reviews! But I’ll be sure to start production on it very soon

[@Bncxx1275]

McLaren and Aston Martin valkyrie too

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

the car with the mohawk haircut, i remember how peugeot mocks Volkswagen ID R pikes peak saying theyre low effort.

[@OumuamuaOumuamua]

Car kinda looks like if Marty from madgascar transformed into a race car

[@ollie311]

There’s a lot they need to change I think a car that’s less reliant on the floor certain tracks the car is awful.

[@lopantolulu]

yay Pujo!

[@趙祖睿]

How become a faster car Mclaren F1 & WEC Peugeot: Just put good livery

[@WillFuI]

I’m glad Peugeot is doing better but I wish the Cadillac was more competitive

[@VARSHAMSAFRAZYAN]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@kenethpescador206]

Aerodynamics are game changing of hypercar ..ferrari are most aero efficient , toyota are good tire management, i wish like to win other lmdh cars if have a good tire management like toyota

[@OscarZheng50]

Le mans and monza are high speed circuits, their long straights favor the peugeot's package. Of course they'll thrive in those circuits but when you go to a track like spa, the peugeot's slick design doesn't really favor its high speed corners

[@unclebanga5976]

Peugeot didn't have the fastest top speed at either track, so I don't think it has favoured them as much as people think.

[@OscarZheng50]

@@unclebanga5976 if you watched the monza race, the peugeots were the only hypercars who can overtake on the straights without help from slipstream

[@Jason-gt2kx]

IDK, the no rear wng design should be strongest at tracks with long straights, but the were no where near challenging for a win at Le Man. If that car design isn't strong at the track with the most straights, then I don't see how they can compete at other balanced tracks with no rear wing.

[@indycarfan.]

Wish for Ferrari win in Fuji, and Peugot win in Bahrain ❤

[@CobraFerrariFth]

If Fernando Alonso drives the Porsche 963:,,GP2 Engine, GP2 AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!" or ,,The Engine feels good but much slower than before, AMAZING!"

[@miguelcebriancarrasco1907]

I just cant be happy, Paul "the devil himself" Diresta got a podium

[@StefanoCanonica]

Yeah but…new car next season, I find very hard this car going to win anything at all this season

[@kpl4174]

maybe Peugeot isn't so bad after all. Alfa Romeo will use some tech from 9x8 in 2026 as they replace Peugeot on grid

[@todplatinum5789]

Where did u hear of Alfa replacing Peugeot?

[@kpl4174]

@@todplatinum5789 thats the Stellantis plan for Alfa Romeo to take Peugeots place on the grid by 2026, it was from Italian site I read.

[@RBot21]

For 1 hour lol🤣

[@oldfrend]

love the content but bro, you gotta revise your scripts better. you tend to say the same thing multiple times just worded differently; often back to back. it's just useless filler instead of actual content.

[@FormulaJonah]

Will do. I am aware I said Peugeot quite a bit lol, so for future videos I’ll take that into account more.

[@drygsv]

its still very unreliable which is holding them back

[@KAMiKAZOW]

It's not earned winning potential when the FIA piles on weight on Toyota and Ferrari. BoP is what I dislike most about sportscar racing: Good engineering is punished to make other people's bad job look good. I hope another Stallantis brand can take all the parts under the hood and make an aero surface that works on actual tracks and not just wind tunnels.

[@rexthewolf3149]

And yet Toyota and Ferrari are still winning, bop can slow you down but if your car is just better you will still win.