Best Micro Compact 9mm: P365 vs Hellcat vs Max 9 vs Shield Plus

[@pewpewtactical]

Alright pants or glasses what are we upset about this week?

[@swegmastur614]

The lack of Glock in this video! Reeeeee

[@andreivaldez2929]

Honestly am disappointed you don't have any all caps comments criticizing you for something stupid. For shame.

[@Tainomontana]

Socks 🧦 the socks didn’t look to be Tactical socks from my angle but I could be wrong

[@wormyboot]

I'm curious about the shirt. You said you were sweating a lot. Is the shirt (and hoodie I guess) special in any way that helps in the heat?

[@d4mdcykey]

I'll need a bit of time to pick something, I've not been sloppy drunk online for almost a week and my shitposting skills are rusty.

[@ogbuzzy1974]

I love my ruger max 9. My slide release is easy to manipulate and i have never had a malfunction with 2000 rounds through it. Great comparison vid!

[@LandonClimbs]

It's a darn decent edc option imo I have one as well, I like the crowned or beveled barrel lol idkwhat it's called

[@mikeyb3997]

I 'm not sure this is really a fair comparison. The Hellcat and P365 are smaller guns than the others. They are the only true micro compacts in your group. Seems you obviously prefer the larger frames, longer barrel, and optic. I think that's true for most of us, but they are bigger, heavier, and generally less concealable. For me, that's really the point of a micro. Can't have it both ways.

[@reglarcatG---2178]

Yeah! What you said! I agree that it just wasn't a fair comparison,and I'm not sure why he lumped them into one category, found the critique a little weird, and uh, kinda...."crunchy" ❔

[@tnsquire3195]

The differences between any of these is minute. If you had paid attention, he points this out. The hellcat and p365 aren’t truly micro either. Full disclosure - I recently went with a SW shield plus and found it accurate and comfortable to shoot. You can actually train with it without feeling beat up after 100 rds. You are mistaken to think that isn’t a fair thing to point out.

[@bradleyhommerson6541]

@@tnsquire3195 my p365xl with a beavertail recoil grip doesn't make you feel beat up at all after 100 lol. I've shot 250 in one sitting. Only the shield plus* made me feel that way 😆 🤣.

[@tnsquire3195]

@@bradleyhommerson6541 well good for you - the shield isn’t the shield plus. And I wasn’t referring to the 365xl now was I? Go work on your reading comprehension before making stupid posts.

[@bradleyhommerson6541]

@@tnsquire3195 I was talking about the shield plus SORRY and watch your bitchy tone there sparky. Not to mention even if I was talking about the shield, the shield plus and it both have practically the same long grip length wise.. the plus is just a tiny bit wider. Also a better comparison would have been the p365xl and the the shield plus.

[@ejesoriginal]

Been a certified NRA and state police agency firearms instructor (and armorer for several platforms) for over 20 yrs and I can't tell much difference in these guns after shooting and carrying them for a considerable time (even the G26 on protection detail missions around the world over the years). So, I chose the Hellcat to replace my P938 and G26 EDC. Hope I don't die...geeze. Point is, none of these offerings are bad. The key is training and being comfortable with what you have. There is no magic pill or replacement for that. Just know what you are doing and know your tools. Simple.

[@-_-_-_-318]

You should be creating these videos, sounds like you have real world experience and expert knowledge, plus you'd be a lot more likeable than this bearded douchebag.

[@ProfessorBulletMG]

Agreed. The video was more comedy than education--and bad comedy at that. End result: Guns he doesn't "get to know" get trashed. The max 9 is an awesome firearm, as is the Shield Plus (among others) very comfortable to shoot/train with--and it is accurate as hell. NRA/ISP certified firearms instructor/Range Safety Officer here. Spend time with and master a firearm before giving half-baked opinions please. Makes you wonder who his sponsors (the ones he failed to disclose) are.

[@testing2741]

​@@ProfessorBulletMGI'll take the gun that works best BEFORE you master it, that way once you master it you have an even better gun. You can watch practically all of these head to head videos on Micro-9s and consistently the Roger comes out on bottom. I don't have any single manufacturer I stick too, thats just a sign of low IQ partiality. I research the f out every purchase, and because overwhelmingly the S&W Shield Plus comes out as tiger the top micro 9 in the tests on here that show the actually shooting. Then seeing that they make factory-ported barrel for the already softest-shooting micro 9, and I went with that. I don't have to make weird arguments like, "its a good gun once you master it" non sense. Everyone that shoots my gun can feel its superiority over their Micro 9. Now the Canik Mete MC9 does have the best trigger of all, but the Shield Plus is always right there with it. The others triggers don't compare to these two. But the Shield Plus has then softest recoil by far - I don't know how they accomplished it. My other carry when need something super small is a Sig P238 with the Magguts 8+1 capacity expanding technology. Likewise my Shield Plus has the Magguts +3 Pinky grip that gives the best grip, and practically no size increase - they don't make one for the Ruger tmk. Anyways you can try to fanboy the gun all you want, it's not a good firearm.

[@candyman1967]

Shot the Hellcat today and hated the long heavy pull. Bought the P-365

[@CLJ7696]

I've owned the Max 9 for over a year, no issues with mine...I highly recommend installing a Galloway trigger & a Hogue beavertail grip🙂

[@dtps_champion6016]

My issue with the max 9 is the trigger replacement requirement. Asking for problems and you can get a shield plus for basically the same price. And I'm a big fan of Ruger, they just don't get carry 9s done well

[@Holden-McGroin]

Recently got a P365 to pocket carry. I can honestly say that if I could only have one hand gun, it would be the P365. Small enough to carry in my pocket all day, yet it shoots really well and in my state we’re capped at 10 round mags, so it’s full capacity.

[@Livinoutdoors_]

Don’t forget the new 17 round mags that gives it a better grip

[@waterboy239]

​@@Livinoutdoors_17😮

[@kobudo]

Gotta say Mossberg’s Mc2sc is pretty awesome. 11+1 rounds in the same height grip as the P365, 14+1 in a full-grip mag, and only about half an inch longer with about an extra half inch of barrel length. Definitely the most underrated micro/sub 9.

[@DangerRussDayZ6533]

I think James Yeager put that on the map back in the day

[@Ddayboy1944]

Bought a 365XL and never looked back. Couldn’t be happier and one of my favorite guns to shoot.

[@chrisjosekuehl]

It definitely shoots like a larger gun, that’s why I chose it. Plus the capacity is great, especially with the 15 rounders. Mag guts has some great internals that boosts capacity.

[@paulmichaud1246]

I have the 365 standard model ,seems like every time i shoot it, i get better groups ! Concealable ,and practical ! Nice little gun ! Go sig.. .

[@scottamy6496]

The Hellcat is my choice for daily carry, it fits my hand the best and I love the sights, texture and capacity. I don't know what all this talk about casting line is, I don't have that issue with mine. If you do have that issue it is easily remedied with a razorknife and/or a little buffing with the dremel, my M&P Shield had that issue and it was no problem to clean up.

[@Jeffrey.1961]

I’m with Scott Amy on the grip, I looked very hard, squeezed it super tight and felt no seem. The tester seems to prefer a more oval shape (sig s&w) to a more rectangular grip shape (Hellcat) which is odd since he shoots a Glock 17.

[@tonyrogo227]

Just picked up a hellcat OSP and I don't have this mysterious " seem" .

[@testing2741]

Hellcat has hellacious recoil and trigger. Sheild Plus, MC9, or Masada Slim if you want a good shooting compact. Hellcat just sucks and im not sure why it has such horrible felt recoil and a trigger made of mush.

[@filthyvibes4768]

​@@testing2741get better at shooting, scrub

[@lifegoeson05]

Shield plus and p365 are my top 2 picks. I’m good with either of the two!

[@nolangeorge921]

Yeah, I have both and it’s hard to decide which I like best. I haven’t tried the Hellcat only because every time I’m in the gun shop and pick one up it doesn’t feel right. More interested in the Springfield XDM Elite! Compact!

[@murkyturkey5238]

I’m trying to decide which one to get, I’m pretty torn

[@lifegoeson05]

@@murkyturkey5238 I bought a second Shield plus so my wife and I could share mags if need be. S&W 13250 comes with 3 mags 2-15 rd and 1-10 rd along with night sights. I think we like the Smith better.

[@nolangeorge921]

@@murkyturkey5238 Go to your local gun store and hold one. Get the one that feels right. For me I really like the P365XL and the Shield Plus Performance Center. Your going to want a red dot if you want to be accurate. If you just want to be able to defend yourself up close then you can save some money and get the none red dot versions.

[@settleschris1965]

@@nolangeorge921 Elite is a great gun

[@toddlewis9384]

1) anyone complaining about your attire should be subject to a "Pants Off - Dance Off" 2) Thank you for hitting all the major offerings in this class. I currently have the original Shield with Hyve mag adapters making them 10 round magazines but decided to upgrade to a more modern model. I looked at several in the store but none fit my hand the way the Shield Plus did. It just felt like it was meant for my hand. The trigger is far and away better than the original offering as well and the grip is improved too although I will probably add a more aggressive Talon grip. It also didn't hurt that the Plus would also fit my original Shield's holsters (Tier 1's aren't cheap).

[@JacksonWalter735]

Love the Shield Plus. I can get a full grip purchase on it, the grip bulges out in the right spots to really fill out the hands (a great bonus for me because most of these tiny microcompacts don't have adjustable/large backstraps), the grip texture is the best, recoil isn't as noticeable as it is on the P365/Hellcat, and the trigger is unmatched out of all the microcompacts. While the Shield Plus is slightly cheaper than the P365, I highly recommend going for the upgraded sights model that makes the prices around the same. While I don't care for it being optics ready (still don't get that for a tiny gun meant for up close conceal carry) I still wish the Shield Plus came optics ready to provide more value like the Hellcat OSP and Max-9. I do prefer the slightly larger microcompacts like the 4" Performance Center Shield Plus, P365XL, and Glock 43X though.

[@lovemym16]

I agree, I carried a gen1 shield since it came out and then upgraded to the Plus on day one. I also carry a Springfield 911 9mm when wearing very light clothes. The grip panels on that do exactly the same.

[@devlinfoster4503]

Is your profile picture simply to make people swipe at their screen? Almost worked on me.

[@darronfozo6184]

The shield plus for me.feels really good in my hand and I can shoot it well.

[@jimmy30777]

@@devlinfoster4503 Haha! I actually tried to wipe it off my screen

[@bryanboru4736]

I bought the Shield Plus optic ready version as soon as it came out. I just recently got my NC concealed handgun permit.

[@michaelschaffer5984]

I agree completely. I have a Shield Plus and a 365XL and can't really decide which I like most. But as problems go I consider this a good problem.

[@CraverYT]

Feels odd to present a bunch of guns whose primary appeal is concealability, and not speak to their concealability. Or draw from concealment, etc. I get that they may be broadly similar, and a lot depends on body type, clothing, etc. But seems odd not to discuss at all.

[@wormyboot]

I like how you did that focusing trick to show off the front and rear sights of the pistol. You should do a shit ton of shorts showing off factory and aftermarket sights like that. You could also do some draw and fire or other stuff with times and data on the screen so I could use them for purchasing decisions and internet arguments.

[@thecocooreo]

M&P Shield Plus all day long!

[@johnleon2594]

Yeah that seems to be the BETTER CHOICE Inexpensive, Accurate, AMERICAN MADE

[@DangerRussDayZ6533]

@@johnleon2594 most guns are American made, even if the company is foreign.

[@DangerRussDayZ6533]

I would love to try one of these. It came out later and I already had a p365... but I love my m&p so I wouldn't mind a nice s&w

[@Chiefbeach300]

The p365 xl with Romeo zero is solid. Love it

[@masterxiong7368]

I have both 365XL and G43X. Both has over 5k rounds through them. Both works great and highly concealable.

[@mikehaynes8647]

I have a Ruger Max 9. I don't shoot it often, but I have never had trouble with the slide lock/release. The gun has consistently locked open after the last round is fired. I put in a new mag and with little effort release the slide.

[@krashdude1]

It's about pocket carry with the TRUE micro 9. The Hellcat, P365 and GX4 easily fit into most front pockets, for one handed draws. The Max9, Shield Plus are just enough bigger to NOT fit into most pockets. If you're going to go to a "belt" gun, get something significantly better to shoot. Compromises are part of it..

[@williamthompson9262]

I’ve had my 365 xl for almost two years now and I’m still as happy as the day I bought it I think it really is the perfect size and the addition of the holosun 507k and tlr7 sub makes it just as capable as my big boi guns although it certainly is a little harder to shoot.

[@kicknsystm]

It seems like adding so much to it would be counter productive to the concealment goal of buying the smaller gun to begin with. If you're good sized (I'm not) I can definitely see how it works.

[@williamthompson9262]

@@kicknsystm yes and no, the red dot and light really don’t effect anything as far as concealabilty. Especially micro dots with micro lights. The butt of the gun is usually the hard thing to conceal not the muzzle. They do add a lot of capability. The only thing they add that’s slightly obtrusive is a little bit of weight. However with a micro compact they are so lite to begin with it’s pretty much a non issue

[@ForGlory1]

Sig P365 really shook the industry

[@gorkajames6475]

We’re in a golden age for this niche. Gun guys are gonna be so jealous of this in like 30 years

[@grog3514]

The country won't be able to withstand another 3 years of Brandon.

[@eNARV1]

30 years 😂😂😂 World wont even stand for another 10..just wait for THE war of all holy wars

[@Jorgen03]

Per the manual, the Max-9's slide stop does not function as a slide release.

[@jagpilotohio]

I wish CZ would get in the game with a micro double stack. Until then it’s my 365.

[@TheMillieSmalls]

Comeon CZ. We are waiting…

[@jordanordonez4707]

@@TheMillieSmalls CZ 2075 Rami ?

[@Jaimes_Bond]

P10m is around now but the reviews aren't good

[@jagpilotohio]

@@Jaimes_Bond it’s a single stack. Wouldn’t even consider it

[@Jaimes_Bond]

@@jagpilotohio oof that makes it that much Worse

[@Richard-iu9sf]

I waited to comment until I had some time and rounds through my Shield Plus. I’ve carried it almost daily for about 6 months and have put at least 1200 rounds through it. The only mod is a Swampfox Sentinel green dot. My observations: Zero malfunctions with primarily Magtech range ammo and a variety of defensive ammo. The gun is a pleasure to shoot and shoot accurately. I have size 2x hands and this was one of the main reasons I bought this gun. It fits my hand well with the 13 rd mag. I never use the 10 rd. I considered the 365XL but I wanted the concealability of the shorter barrel on the Shield. Really nice trigger. It appears to be very well made and should last a long time. USA made. (Although the only one of theses that isn’t is the Springfield) Two friends who own a version of the Sig 365 like the Shield better.

[@kilby714]

With Ruger, it's not a slide release, it's a slide LOCK. It's intended to be released by racking the slide.

[@awesomedave8484]

Ok

[@davidguy7335]

Right the obnoxious never ending complaint about this in the video is annoying.

[@AAA22323]

Yeah this hipster is a bish boy 😂

[@dtps_champion6016]

​@@davidguy7335everyone complains about slide stops bc apparently no one reads manuals

[@Tainomontana]

My favorite item of all was the long sleeve shirt with the aerodynamic thumb holes on the sleeve ends. It’s almost as if you use the shirt rolled down it could prevent a broken nail or other serious incapacitating injury like the one shown on the video

[@Walter2846.]

Funny 😁 Good observation 👍🏼

[@exquizit_d]

Hate to admit it, but my max 9 replaced my p365 as my EDC. I do plan to swap the trigger because it’s not great.

[@RedDawnAK74]

Just came too see them tactical kapris again 😔😂

[@ColeDedhand]

"Ya'll like sub-compacts, cause I don't." Yeah, me neither. But I do have a Hellcat, because I'd rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

[@domenik8339]

It'll never stop being funny to me the sheer amount of people who pretend like they carry a Glock 19 with duty light, red dot and a spare mag. I instructed pistol shooting for the last two years and only saw that kind of setup outside of a class literally once.

[@davidhudson2527]

@@domenik8339 🤣

[@HanGhost99]

Honestly Sig P365 for me, if I want a subcompact 9mm I don't want one that has an similar grip or girth as my compact Glock, Sig P365 shoots real nicely and is light to carry when I wear sweats

[@AFPaul12590]

How do you carry when you wear sweats?

[@HanGhost99]

@@AFPaul12590 well there are clips you can assemble onto your holster called ulti-clips or leather holsters that have something similar so you can conceal carry without a belt Right now tho I have am 11 ounce j-frame so I normally put it in my pocket or use the leather holster like I said

[@Jon5150XL]

I just purchased my Hellcat and liked it. The gun feels comfortable with my meaty hands. In addition, I like the features. Great video.

[@DougMcDave]

I chose the Shield Plus, Optics ready, because my first carry gun was the Shield 1.0. The grip texture, mag capacity, and trigger are improved. The foundation is the oldest and most proven of this bunch. Yes, I admit Sig really is the most influential for increasing mag capacity. Because my eyes have changed over time, I am thinking of adding an optic, maybe a Holosun.

[@ed00001]

I love my stock P365. I have smaller hands so I have no issues with it.

[@wreckagevic]

I switched the trigger to the flat trigger. It was a pain in the ass but miles better than the stock curved trigger.

[@ed00001]

@@wreckagevic Did you order the trigger from sig directly? Sounds like something I'd wanna try.

[@wreckagevic]

@@ed00001 Not from Sig directly but from Osage website but it is a genuine OEM trigger. Believe it was $42 altogether, best price I could find.

[@ed00001]

@@wreckagevic Out of stock but I set up an alert when it's back. Thanks!

[@wreckagevic]

@@ed00001 I just checked eBay and they have some for $43 oem as well if you didn’t want to wait

[@davidguy7335]

Max 9 is great.

[@fredhenk6098]

you must know by now the Ruger Max 9 slide lock was NOT what you were touching / pointing to in the video. You must have had the Pro model which does not have a SAFETY switch. The slide switch is the larger switch which you were not touching in the video. SHEESH. just look in the manual. lol

[@PaulChristianJenkinsJD]

Frankly, just from what I've been hearing over that last few months, the Shield M&P line seems to have the best reputation. I 'hear' it's the most reliable like a Glock,, and still has the compact size. Personally, I like the p365 Macro, but too may KZbin channels are saying 'Get the M&P Shield.' AND, it is 'reported' to have the least amount of recoil and rise.

[@okokok1624]

The hellcat is 11+1 with a 13 and 15 round magazine too

[@Locke99GS]

I'm not surprised this guy can't count. From this video it doesn't seem like he can do much of anything.

[@paulmichaud1246]

So theres,s a 13 and 15 teen rnd mag and, if you want to load 11+ 1 feel free too ? Dah...

[@Locke99GS]

@@paulmichaud1246 it's three factory mags available with the hellcat, an 11, a 13, and a 15. It comes with an 11 and a 13 in the box. You can use the 11 for maximum concealability and +1 to the chamber, hence 11+1. You can also 13+1 and 15+1.

[@paulmichaud1246]

Thank you ! My 365 came with 2 10 rnd mags, and i bought a 12 rnd ! And they sell a 15 also ! The tac pac comes with 3 12 rnd mags and some other junk ? Lol...

[@timothyladuke7158]

He’s not really wrong with the 10+1 because my Hellcat came with two 10 round and a 13 round magazine. Was kinda sad to find out that was 10 but there was 2 of them so it made it that much easier to accept 🔫

[@brandoncinpubadj]

I have the Max 9 with the Red Dot. It is amazing and I do not know what this guy is talking about. I carry this everyday, all day.

[@shootinnscootin5545]

I recently bought a Max-9 and after putting about 300 rounds through it I can say that I recently like it. It was accurate and ran very well.

[@quoththeraven7]

OMG! it is True, people do give thumbs Down when they hear a reviewer Shitting on one of their favorite Guns, because I almost gave him a thumbs down for the very same reason but I have to remember that this is just his opinion, so to each his own!.. Plus I don't have any of the issues with the Hellcat that he does.. So Keep up the Good work! 👍👍

[@chadkent1241]

Same here. The world is full of fanbois/haters of particular platforms.

[@ChrisWilliams-ri2wx]

The Hellcat actually was the first micro 9 that offered 13 rds. M&P came along much later.

[@troytruong8246]

why use 13rds extended mag? It defeats the purpose of concealability. Pathetic. lol. Not sure why many folks actually buy these extended mags for. defeats the purpose.

[@asj12]

@@troytruong8246I think the idea for the extended mag is to pocket carry the extra extended mag for reloads and can get a few extra rounds if you need them in a self defense situation

[@degustolanders]

Try the Caliber Prize Winner 2021 Taurus GX4. It’s gorgeous.

[@ChrisB-zz8dh]

Have the P365xl and plan on it being my main edc for a long time. It is perfect for me.

[@sisleymichael]

Good video. As you stated, it really is going to depend upon you, the individual, which gun fits you and works best in your hands. The Shield Plus? Sure, why not. It is accurate and reliable. There are a ton of them available out there. That is good for shooters.

[@guynall4025]

I sold my p365 and bought a max9 after shooting a buddy s I got the one with the hogue grip put 100 rounds of sig v crown and 100 rounds of blazer brass both 115 grain through it I’m impressed accurate and no issues

[@dukedeuce2942]

When I picked up the P365, all of my fingers fit perfect on it and one of gun store clerks giggled. My small hands are perfect for micro compacts.

[@robertarmbruster8051]

Hellcat holds 11 in free state configuration not 10 as stated. Liking the biggest little guns best is not surprising. 15 round factory mags are available for the hellcat & sig. Hellcat FDE OSP w/ Holosun 507k ftw IMO.

[@JacksonWalter735]

How do you like your OSP Hellcat so far? The guy at my local range had one with a Swampfox Sentinel and I surprisingly liked it even though I usually hate shooting smaller guns. Do you think the RDP model with the compensator would be a better option?

[@robertarmbruster8051]

@@JacksonWalter735 I love mine. Got the wifey a matching OSP but she’s not interested in a dot. Yet. With mine making hits on 6” steel plates at 28 yards (random distance available to me at my range) is surprisingly easy. I didn’t want the extra size and cost of the RDP. Maybe the comp provides a benefit. I dunno. Flush fit 11 round mag makes for a very small package. Btw, my not young eyes need “cheaters” to read. Beyond that my eyes are great. “Sights” are blurry. Floating red 🔴 is crisp. Problem solved!

[@XrayMike17plus1]

365XL is my favorite. Enough so, that I have 2. Upgraded my original with a Holosun 507K, threaded barrel and Spectre slide. Recently tired of seeing the cast off parts and bought an FCU and recoil spring/guide rod assembly and made a second 'XL. Surprisingly, that one is my favorite. It points amazingly well - so much so that sights just naturally come into alignment in presentation and even one handed. After using an rds for a long time I thought the X-ray night sights would feel like a big downgrade. Not so...

[@thejuando]

It looks like you were attempting to manipulate the safety delete instead of the slide stop of Ruger Max-9.

[@matthewbeaver5026]

I kinda thought the same thing though I haven't seen one in person

[@freedomspeech9523]

On my Hellcat I had to add a Hogue beavertail sleeve. That made it great to shoot, without adding too much of thickness.

[@billtshudy3653]

I looked at all these models and decided on the P365X. I am a HUGE CZ fan and was disappointed that they decided on a micro with a singles stack. The 365X is pretty AWESOME!

[@naveedanwar9538]

Bought a P365X few days ago. Super grip. No loose magazine at all as compared with P365

[@steakears]

I traded a hellcat in on the p365x. Hellcat was hard to control the recoil for my smaller hands. P365x is way less “jumpy”.

[@malcolmtrivoywest1059]

I know you probably won’t respond, but after having just bought my Shield plus, my Cz 75 compact is really about the same size. Just lose some concealability for that 15rd mag in width.

[@billtshudy3653]

@@malcolmtrivoywest1059 I like the compact but it's just too heavy in my opinion.

[@TacticallyFitOfficial]

Personally think the max 9 was great. Easy to shoot and comfortable. Hellcat is my favorite though. Easily the best looking gun out of these.

[@jake9705]

Micro-compact roundup with the Pew Pew Crew?!?! 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

[@absoluteresolution3822]

The P365XL is king period. All others are wannabe copies of what Sig did with the original P365. Sigs trigger, ergos, looks and shoot ability are all the best.

[@brandonwilcox7411]

Just picked one up 2 weeks ago and I have to agree.

[@ronkeegan5238]

Actually, the Shield was first striker fired micro. Both are excellent!

[@aeis3007]

I should be trying out the new shield plus soon. The hellcat felt wayyyyy better in my hand than the p365 but more snapy, but I liked the hellcat more. That being said the p365XL felt better and was great.

[@absoluteresolution3822]

@@ronkeegan5238 if I remember correctly it’s not a double stack magazine with higher capacity which is what Sig started with the P365.

[@scottschreiber6008]

I like my hellcat better then 365 and the flush mag is 11 rounds not 10 like he said. The 365 was very accurate.

[@johnroper3077]

Glock 26 Gen 4. Then I got another one. Guess I'm considered "old school" now but I wouldn't trade the two for all of those.

[@frostriver4547]

Check out the 43X. Love my 26, but the 43X is nice and slender, comes in MOS and holds 15+1. Try it. You’ll like it!

[@seanwhitman4365]

In my opinion you should choose whatever is the most comfortable to carry on ur person and in your hand. Capacity, trigger, and sights are of no concern to me on these micro guns. In the rare occasion you need to use it, it’s most likely going to be within 5 yards. With all your adrenaline going ur not gonna notice what the trigger feels like.

[@DjSkyfaze]

I gotta say, you guys have such a impressive range of knowledge and content that has helped me so much in my decision making! Thanks for all the solid content!

[@brandonrasco4669]

My current EDC is the p365 with the Wilson Combat 365x grip module, and Magguts +2 extension. It gives me a surprisingly controllable 14+1 in an Alabama holster that will ride in a 5.11 cargo pocket. If there is a better combination, I ain't seen it...

[@teakostroud719]

I think the hellcat came out before the shield plus . I’m thinking that’s why they said it was the highest capacity. anyway I love my 2.0 shield . I wish I would have known S&W was going to make the plus . I would have waited. Maybe that’s the plan though . They want us to buy them all 🤓. Good video man thanks .

[@ChrisB10]

My God you are refreshing. Finally someone with a witty personality. 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙

[@nullswarm]

Missing Glock 43x, Taurus G3C/G2C, Taurus GX4, Kimber Micro 6, and the Ruger EC9/EC9s/LCP2.

[@nathangothan601]

43x doesn’t fall in this category being that it’s a single stack g19 size grip only holding 10 rounds, G3c is also double stack and larger than these firearms, Gx4 is meh and probably wasn’t accessible when this was recorded, and the Rugers mentioned are also single stacks.

[@stonytark1987]

@@nathangothan601 G48 is the single stack version of the g19. The 43x has a shorter slide and barrel length and should be on this list.

[@nathangothan601]

@@stonytark1987 the 43x has the same grip length as g19/g48. This list is for “micro compacts” in which most people agree the 43x/48 are not. They’re just overly large single stack pistols.

[@JohnWicksPencil14]

@@nathangothan601 I have a the 43x and the shield and they're essentially identical in size. Plus the Shield arms mag brings it up to 15 rounds.

[@nathangothan601]

@@JohnWicksPencil14 the shield plus is about half an inch shorter with the flush mag. And yes, the Shield Arms mags definitely make the 43x/48 more useful if you can hide the extra half inch of grip but for some people maximum concealability is more important. I feel like most people would be singing a different tune if Glock actually created something rather than just making a single stack G19 with a shortened barrel and saying “Ta - Da”

[@larryholton9560]

the max 9 is just just fine for me and I have rather hands . the trigger was a bit iffy and I replaced mine with a Galloway Short stroke trigger and spring kit . as far as the slide release the gun is made to slingshot the slide into battery as a vast majority of guns if you read the manual are made. and all you have to do if you don't want to slam the slide home on an empty chamber it's pull it back and keep it in your hand and ride it home softly... some of these internet gun experts are a real hoot

[@tedh7543]

I like my Hellcat. Mine doesn't have the rear grip seam that your sample did. It fits in my pocket really well and this is the only realistic way that I'm able to carry because of what I do for a living. I like that U rear sight and the front night sight. I'm able to get a good side picture quickly with this setup. I don't plan on adding an optic because I feel like this would make it harder to pocket carry. Thanks for the rundown on all the micro compacts with increased capacity..

[@13BGunBunny]

When I was shopping for my CC firearm, I looked at several to get a feel for the grip and the trigger break as my hands are not large but they are thick and meaty. You need to do your research and compile a list of quality firearms before you go shopping for your next firearm. Don't buy a SIG or Hellcat because John or Jane said so. Find one that fits you as you will be the primary user of your next firearm. :-) I recently purchased a M&P Shield Plus 9mm with red dot optics for CC and I also purchased 2 more 13rd mags for when I'm at the range. My only problem is the ability to find a decent holster that fits comfortably to my fatness. lol Joseph Robinette Biden is the best firearm salesman that I've ever seen. :-) Let's go, Brandon! \o/

[@lucky-rowe2623]

Have a 1.0 S&W and fell into a Plus and it's solid! I love it. I've got a good deal on a 1.0 if anyone needs one..LOL

[@chinobrown5252]

Get a caa mck kit. Make it a fun gun.

[@CJLee-dg2dv]

Will you include the Kimber R7 Mako next?

[@rjcavazos89]

First EDC was a Glock 43 with tlr6 light, loved it so much I built an optic ready G43. Budget build Taurus GX4 lost my trust outside of the range (recall, minor other issues I personally had) Ruger Max9 is for my pocket carry and Springfield Hellcat has to go through some testing but I'm excited for it

[@thomasmeisch5692]

great video, had the opposite experience though when it came to S&W and Ruger. Never owned a Ruger but fit my large hands better and more naturally then the S&W or the Hellcat, that I really wanted to love but turned out to be a turd to shoot for me.

[@billymaze4733]

Gx4 is the best value if you don't need a red dot.

[@tannerg4511]

I kinda feel like the 365XL Is very close to being a compact.

[@Fight4freedom.]

I picked up my first micro-9 a SIG 365X till now I always used my LCP2 or G42 both in .380. I prefer .380 micros and full or medium 9’s. Even though I like my new SIG 365X I would rather carry .380 in micros.

[@johnwolfe4480]

Thanks for the comparison video. I've always agreed we all have different hands and sight pictures... I've been a huge SIg fan forever, but when I had to get into the Micro compact because of what I had to wear to work I figured I'd land on the P365 easily...but after 150 rounds through it and the hellcat...the hellcat just fit my hand and hold better...crazy times. So that's what I carry and train with. I have upgraded the trigger and love it. I know you shouldn't "have" to upgrade your carry but we all make tweaks where we can. As more grip modules come out though...I may end up giving the 365 another go around. We'll have to see.

[@thesuperioraffection4502]

You might want to try the 365X, it might fit you much better. I wouldn't consider the 365 after renting one but the 365X feels great, just need to find a place to rent one.

[@bamahi7142]

I'm vertically challenged, so subcompacts fit my body shape better. Do I like them over compact or larger pistols? No, but they work for me and I trust them.

[@hapmp1]

John, can you do a video of how you dremeled the ledge into your Glock?

[@rustoleummanattack9234]

I love the intro 😂 I can’t stand shooting these sub compacts, but I definitely see where they’re the perfect fit for others

[@calebnation6155]

They aren’t meant to be great range guns. They’re meant to be efficient and practical carry pieces

[@rustoleummanattack9234]

@@calebnation6155Never said they were supposed to be fun for the range..? Just throwing my 2 cents on how my adult sized hands can’t do it 😂

[@828enigma6]

Re' the S&W Shield Plus, be cautious if you replace the sights. If not careful, you'll mangle a plastic disc and spring under the sight. This in turn will impair striker impact, and failure to fire. Plus, no pun intended, the safety and slide release are way too small to be useful. Were it a Glock, I would just order a extended versions of both, but, being a Smith, I'm not aware of any available.

[@autoloader9759]

For the marketing gimmick part, don't forget hellcat was released in 2019, with 1 more capacity in both mags compared with their only competitor Sig P365 at that time. Even today, hellcat is still the highest capacity (tied for first place) with the stock mags. BTW, their 15rd mag looks much better than P365's.

[@cscheatum]

Went to my local gun shop last weekend and checked out the Sig P365xl. That thing felt like a glove in my hand. One thing you did not mention that I liked about it was the perfect placement of the slide release and the ease of it. I think I’ll be trading in my old shield for it. Always been a big fan of Sig.

[@zaayyv6653]

I jus did the same, sold my m&p shield, got the 365x and threw on a 407k. Definitely worth it.

[@joemussari1464]

Obviously shorter barrels will feel snappy but best thing to do is go to your gun shop, hold it, shoot it, get used to it and make your decision. Really no bad choice here. It’ll come down to what you’re comfortable with.

[@Jason_The_Man]

That Shield Plus is on my list.

[@828enigma6]

After I carried the Sig 365 for a year, I came to the conclusion the grip was just a smidgen too small. I can shoot it ok, but a Smith Shield Plus feels much better.

[@thesuperioraffection4502]

I didn't like the 365 feel from the start but recently handled the 365x and it's a MUCH better fit. I can't find a place to rent one though.

[@davidshaffer8569]

Dam your emotional manipulation. I almost sent this vid to all my friends until I remembered I don’t have any friends that like or want guns ☹️. Love the M&P. Great video. They’re always fun and informational.

[@helterskelter416]

9:07 if you adjust your grip to put your offhand's thumb over your main hand's thumb you'll grip the guns easier and better, and will mitigate recoil better by having your offhand able to better push back against the pistol grip.

[@yaaqoubeliyyahu5783]

I'm surprised the HK/SK P30 wasn't on the list???

[@InGratitudeIam]

Interesting to note, others have found the slide serrations on the Hellcat to be less than optimal. Perception is reality.

[@bradhuskers]

I feel that these four pistols are the best on the market today. in no particular order. s&w. shield plus. sig p 365 Springfield hellcat glock 43x.

[@JayCruces]

I love my Ruger Max-9 & Springfield Hellcat

[@chrisfarrell9032]

All I want for Christmas is a CZ-P07 compact!

[@factspirate99]

I have a p-09 and it is like a Rolls-Royce. Everyone that has ever seen it is super impressed with it.

[@michaelschaffer5984]

My two favorites are the same as yours Shield Plus and 365 XL. They both rock!

[@batcavecomics4499]

Great review, personally I prefer the the p365x. That’s my EDC. It just fits so well in my hand like it was made for me. That being said my brother has the M&P shield. I’ve shot both and like both but definitely the sig p365x for me.

[@Coyoteduck34]

Hi first of all love your channel, i dont know if they wrote you about this but the button you were trying to release the slide on the max 9 is the safety button for the safety model, your is without a safety the slide release is the button next to it

[@paulsimoneauii6235]

Just bought a Ruger Max9 based off of Colion Noir's review and I'm great full!! I totally disagree with your opinion of the Max 9. No biggie thats why we love America and have freedom of choice. Please stay true. Thanks!

[@garygriffiths6998]

I swapped my Sig P-365 for an optics-ready Hellcat, because my eyes were having trouble focusing on the smallish sights of the 365. With a Swampfox red dot sight mounted, no more problems. I also discovered that I no longer had a tendency to ride the slide release, so the slide stays reliably open after the last round, and all the Hellcat magazines fit tightly enough that I am no longer pinching the palm of my hand between the grip and the magazine floorplate. I'm wondering if that wasn't also an issue with the Ruger you tested, since there seemed to be quite a gap there as well. It also had a better trigger than the Sig, and is even better with the Apex Action Trigger I installed. 😎

[@d4mdcykey]

That opening sentence was both witty and hilarious. Well done, sir, well done.

[@testing2741]

P365/Hellcat/Max9: WAY Worse Felt Recoil, WAY Worse Triggers = Slower Shooting, and Worse Groups... Sheild Plus wins - otherwise I'd get an Mete MC9 or Masada Slim if I had to. My friend has sincere buyer's remorse after shooting my Shield Plus Performance Center compared to his new Hellcat - I feel bad for him.

[@EyeCue23]

I put a apex trigger in my hellcat and sold my shield soon after because it collected dust after i swapped triggers

[@standforjesus7427]

I picked up a 365 a couple of years ago still love it however the Springfield armory ads mod 2 with the crimson trace optic caught my eye felt good in the hands I didn't like the way the hellcat felt in the hands either but then I saw the 365xl with the romeo zero so now I have a rotation of good carry pistols

[@DangerRussDayZ6533]

Would it be fair to say that to some degree you don't like subcompacts because you don't have to worry about someone seeing you with a gun at your job? There are some situations that require a bit more stealth. I love my little 365. I can wear it anywhere, and no one knows any different.

[@bigdave_inmo938]

G3c is my EDC its reliable and accurate if I had to pick out the 5 pistols it would be M&P shield plus

[@gregwarren1538]

I have the Toro and will put it up against any of these. I actually like my g3c Toro better than my Hellcat.