PF: WOTR ENHANCED - Updated KINETICIST GUIDE: The HIGHEST AoEs 1K to 3K+ & ALL MECHANICS EXPLAINED

[@cRPGBro]

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[@levigenesis6350]

I highly recommend equipping the triceratops on your MC as it saves alot of movement cost so you can blast every round if you play on turn base instead of just gathering power

[@cRPGBro]

That is great indeed, especially for Turn Based where your movement ios far more limited.

[@MrGouldilocks]

Yeah Bismuth is perfect for a kineticist. It solves your movement problems, and you don't have to worry about trying to constantly equip and buff the triceratops because it shouldn't ever be in melee range anyway.

[@Astragoth2]

I cannot mount him atm he is not large. I am lvl 10 and bismuth is lvl 6. Will he grow in size?

[@heyokah]

@Astragoth2 bismuth is 4 lvls lower than the character equipping it. It becomes large at lvl 7. So, by now you know, at level 11 bismuth becomes large and can be ridden by humans.

[@Astragoth2]

@@heyokah yeah! I levelled in the mean time and saw it. I was like damn Bissie, what did I put in your milk? He is my mount now.

[@elcamp3]

Kineticist Whatever race you want 12 14 20 10 10 7 1 - Precise Shot, Point-Blank Shot(If human) Water(Best element)Extended Range, Water Blast 2 - Slick 3 Improve Init, Pushing Infusion 4 Con +1, elemental whispers - Hare 5 weapon focus kinetic blast, kinetic blade 6 skill focus stealth 7 outflank, earth 8 trip - Earth 9 fury's fall, bowling infusion 10 Greater Trip - Earth 11 improved critical - Kinetic Blast, Wall 12 skill focus - mobility/Trickery 13 Dazzling Display, Deadly Earth 14 Skill Focus - Trickery(Or other skills of choice) 15 Shatter defenses, Air, (Or whatever you want), Air Blast 16 Aerial Evasion 17 Power Attack (Infusion can be anything.) Cloud 18 Tremorsense 19 Anything you want (Lunge, Toughness), any infusion, Maximize 20 Bull Rush 1 Bit of fun, Kinetic Overcharge 2 Mythic Trip 3 Overinfused Blasts, 4 Aspect of Kalavakas, Improved Critical 5 Always a chance, Aspect of Schir, Aspect of Balor, Aspect of Vavakia 6 Improved init, Aspect of Babau 7 Last Stand, Shadow Demon, Incubus 8 Power Attack, any demon 9 anything 10 Pazuzu or Nocticula, Toughness Amulet - Vellexias Magnifying Amulet Armor - Light Armor, Haramaki of Divine Guidence Robe - Robe of Seven Sins Belt - Clutch of Corruption Gloves - Whatever you want boots - whatever youwant headband - Greater Kinetic Diadem goggles -Goggles of Piercing Gaze or Rascal's Goggles Cloak - The bound of possibility ring - Sigil of Destruction Bracer - Bracers of abupt Onslaught quickslot - Lesser kineticist Rod

[@lucisthefox1484]

I wish I could copy and paste this

[@regulardude1579]

Is there nothing better than Lesser Kineticist Rod?

[@sonkaikashi]

@@regulardude1579 sadly no, looking through toybox, lesser kineticist rod is the best version :(

[@regulardude1579]

@@sonkaikashi Thanks for the reply. Yep, nothing was better. Also, at act 5 and Psychokineticist is OP with Deadly Earth lol. Didnt even know about this since I just liked the sound of the class.

[@GarthTheMighty]

17:54 I love that the optimal move is to give the demonic engine of elemental destruction a pet bunny.

[@Alister222222]

A couple of tricks to turbo charge a kineticist that might not be obvious: -The Transformation spell doesn't interfere with your kinetic abilities at all, so you can cast it on yourself for around +5 attack and an extra iterative attack when using kinetic blade. This is most relevant when the kineticist is a mercenary, and doesn't have mythic spells that would be switched off by it. -Greater Magic weapon works on your kinetic blade, for another +5 extra attack.

[@cRPGBro]

Transformation is a great boost ideed, it's nice synergy that it doesn't even block your abilities!

[@Ohdonnyboy]

Would love to see a build for the new Kinetic Sharpshooter. It seems interesting and im curious to see if things like Rapid Shot would finally apply to Kineticist blasts (because its via a ranged weapon?)

[@joaomoura3044]

Couldn't be a better time, I created a character following your build yesterday for the equal to aroden achievement, thanks for the update

[@cRPGBro]

Glad I could help!

[@davidrmxd]

Another cRPG video? Hell yea! What did we do to deserve a blessing like you?!

[@cRPGBro]

You're the best, thanks friend!

[@KK-cp8tx]

Holy hell. I just tried this on the dlc that let's you build a level 20 character. Instead of what you have, I picked fire / earth / fire and for mythic I picked trickster then swarm. It's insane as it lets you clone yourself. Each clone threw out rolling earth / magma tripping locations and blue flame walls then sat back and snipped the few enemies that survived. I also mixed your auto explode trickster dazzling display with the fire kineticist part and everything just explodes everywhere. Off the hook fun!

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, 6x Kineticist Swarm Clones are as OP as it can get!

[@RebelDashOne]

Thank you so much for this video! I was having a hard time understanding Kineticist and its Archtypes. This has helped immensely.

[@СергейМ-б1ц]

Overpowered. As always. Love your content, bro.

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks for the comment as always!

[@Alister222222]

One trick with Kineticist is to be an angel, which makes you immune to friendly AoEs, letting you stand in your own deadly earth/ cloud. In practice, this gives you 100% resistance to allied AoE, but if you have ascendant element that will cause it to penetrate the resistance and still damage you. So if you are going angel, the solution is to go pure physical damage (so say, earth/ waterfor mud deadly earth, with air for sandstorm cloud), which doesn't require ascendant element to be effective. You can build for high AC by being a psychokineticist and taking a single level in monk, and using the water defensive talent armor or shield, so you can tank mobs while they are getting chewed up by your AoEs that you are completely immune to.

[@cRPGBro]

An interesting combination!

[@pvfpinto]

Nice! Still viable if a normal kineticist ?

[@ozskeeter]

oooh thank you, I have avoided kineticist because of not understanding the mechanics .... this will allow me to dip in with a new character

[@cRPGBro]

Glad to be of service! Kineticist can be very complex which is why I wanted to do this initial section explaining all the mechanics.

[@mizukenhaganekawa4]

Just finished my Unfair run with your Seelah, Ember, Rageshaper, Manticore and Brown Fur builds. Thank you for your work!

[@clamclosia]

Been looking for a build to get me to start ANOTHER run and I think this is it!

[@cRPGBro]

You can't go wrong with Kineticist, it's great fun due to the Infinite Casts plus you'll become a true powerhouse at Chapter 3+!

[@Gangerworld]

I like your Kineticist Fire build more. For one, Deadly Earth - while overpowered - kills your teammates too, so it really makes you micromanage your melee party members in combat... and it's a bit boring when you just start Deadly Earthing everything in sight. For two - your other build works well with most other Mythics, like Aeon or Azata or Demon. So that's great too.

[@mckitten9643]

Try a lich Dark Elementalist with undead companions. You can turn all damage into negative energy, the subclass works off of INT instead of CON and you can use the lich spellbook to do something else while deadly earth/cloud is out. It's less focused on pure damage but has massive utlity.

[@nightmedic6897]

@@mckitten9643 Will that work as a Merc companion build for my Lich playthrough?

[@Faraleth_]

@@nightmedic6897 nope, you need the lich power for that so only PC

[@MrGouldilocks]

Thanks for the video. When it comes to the gather power abilities I usually just take gather medium off my bar entirely. I don't think I've ever used it and I can't think of a circumstance when I would use it. If you're in combat, gather power low is by far the best option. If you're ambushing enemies, gather power high is the clear winner. And as a side note, I find that kineticist tend to perform better with RTWP combat. In turn-based, it's fairly common to waste turns moving to get into range of enemies. If you're not starting your turn and range of enemies, you have to wait for everyone else to act before you get another chance, while in RTWP your character simply takes a brief second to move up and then immediately starts channeling.

[@cRPGBro]

Yeah, usually you'll go for Gather Power Low for normal battle and High for Ambushes. That part about Turn Based can be said about most characters as your movement is VERY limited there before it takes the place of your main actions, unlike in RTWP where you have a lot of freedom. The Extended Blast ability really helps with that, at least early on.

[@MrGouldilocks]

@@cRPGBro TB can be painful for all characters, but at least you can typically move and cast a spell, or move and attack and sometimes charge. There are some classes that thrive in turn-based though; War priest and Magus feel much, much better in TB than RTWP. Each has a bunch of very short duration buffs and abilities that should ideally be activated or deactivated each round. It takes A LOT of micromanagement for War priest and Magus to reach their full potential in RTWP. Spellcasters are also much easier to use effectively in TB where spells trigger instantly and can be aimed with pinpoint accuracy. Aiming spells to hit the optimal number of enemies while avoiding your allies is a bit of a nightmare in RTWP. Now that I think about it, comparing and contrast RTWP and TB is a decent video idea. Most people know the basics, but there are a lot of subtleties and factors that greatly impact how well certain classes perform, and even the difficulty level of various encounters. For example, the fight at the wardstone at the end of chapter 1 can be brutally difficult in TB. In RTWP the enemies are basically stunlocked since they're receiving an attack every couple seconds. In TB , your characters aren't chaining attacks repeatedly, so enemies actually get a chance to act and potentially CC your entire squad. Encounters with lots of enemies that use ranged attacks inl can be considerably more difficult in TB since you can't immediately rush into melee range. The fight at the end of the prologue in King Maker is deadly in TB. The archers start a fair distance from your party and are spread out; it's hard to kill them before they get a couple volleys off; they tend to focus fire characters too.

[@mirceaionescu960]

One thing I like about elemental engine is it doubles the attack and damage bonuses from overflow and burnout because they stack. Unfortunately, the size bonus to 2 physical stats at 3 stacks unlocked at level 6 is bugged and doesn't work on EE. Overall higher damage potential at the cost of fewer options to decrease burn cost

[@Alister222222]

Having run a kineticist merc on my Aeon playthrough, I can say that a kineticist with Aeon support is pretty crazy. The damage is probably going to be lower than the demon variant, but the flexibility is truly bonkers. The main drawback with kineticist is that it wants to have quite a few stats high, particularly if you are intending to frontline with it (which you should, since kinetic blade can be some crazy damage over the standard ranged blast). The main benefit of Aeon is that you can boost all your stats to match your highest, with perfect form; my merc had all stats at 50 when buffed with perfect form, and as a main character you can easily go higher than this. This means if you are dipping monk, you can very easily have an AC in the 90's due to double dipping AC from stats. It also means the DC of your trips and other infusions is going to be sky high, due to your boosted con or wis (depending on if you are a psychokineticist). Aeons can increase DCs by another +4 with a gaze. Aeon can also make their whole party immune to friendly AoEs, which is definitely going to be pretty powerful for a kineticist. I haven't tested if Aeon's Bane procs off deadly earth, but it does say it procs off spells, so you'd imagine it does, which would make your deadly earth so freaking dangerous (particularly if you took something like the destructive dispel feat).

[@aeon5566]

One thing I noticed for Deadly Earth is that if you just select pushing infusion and cast the ability it will do the bull rush combat maneuver. If you then select bowling infusion (if you don't have the mythic ability to use 2) it deselects pushing infusion and selects bowling infusion. However on the second "tick" of the Deadly Earth round of damage it will now apply both pushing AND bowling infusion. Allowing you to cast both for less burn if you're willing to wait a round.

[@PsySaucererOfnHen]

Coming back here after a year looking for a Kineticist guide and I just noticed the character's name. You're indeed a man of culture. If I play a shaman, I'll be sure to play as Gann

[@cRPGBro]

NWN2 is one of my favorite games ever, quite nostalgic as well! It was my first ever cRPG.

[@InvinciblKillerQueen]

Kineticist also gets some really decent items really early in the game, which is nice

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, surprisingly there's a lot of nice stuff.

[@christofferhougaard]

The fact that you know of the 3e warlock, and compared it to one of my favourite occult classes sent waves of joy throughout my soul more than I can describe. I take it you've been playing ttrpgs for a handful of years then?

[@cRPGBro]

Warlock was great fun in NWN2! I don't have much experience with tabletop but I have been playing the D&D cRPGs for a while!

[@christofferhougaard]

@@cRPGBro Ahhh. Is there a decent 3e adaptation in the video game crpg scene or have ya mostly scoured the books?

[@MinecraftyBlock]

I was going to ask for a kineticist build! I'm deep in the dual wield azata and trying super hard not to restart... Great video and timing as always!

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you! Save Kineticist for a new run, Wrath is great especially because of the replay value!

[@twitchcontrols1441]

Holy crap I was not ready for the size of that ability bar.

[@cRPGBro]

Kineticists really have a LOT!

[@theop.6056]

Nice guide. Further I would like to add that -as other players did- adding 2 lvls of witch of the veil at the very start may remove the valuable 19th lvl ability but allows you a very smooth solo game even on unfair.

[@cRPGBro]

For soloing, that is a neat trick indeed!

[@phantom_joker1644]

Omg I've been waiting for this. Amazing as always.

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you!

[@zyfryth]

Also, if you guys play this on Unfair, you should consider dipping 2 levels into witch of the veil. Sure usually, kineticist doesn't want ot multiclass, since you will lose 1 infusion and 1 blast upgrade, but the two levels of witch of the veil will make your early game 50 times easier. You get to become invis as a swift action, allowing you to do your gather power low and blast, while invis, thus hitting their flat-footed AC, and you also get protective luck, which you can prebuf with and one cast of enlarge person or something, for your other companions :)

[@heyokah]

The only issue is early game. While it does work, very well, you need the patience of a saint because your chance to hit is low and your damage is lower. For example it took 73 rounds to kill the water elemental. Many hits caused 1 damage due to resistance. Now later on, if you can stomach the slow process, that build is virtually unstoppable. For anyone wishing to try this, go solo up until the gargoyle attack in act 2. You probably want Ember, Nenio, and any melee for the Grey Garrison. Reason being that you can solo the entire dungeon but Minagho will kill you. Ember can cast slumber or Nenio phantasmal killer. Melee for the coup de' grace. I play on ps5 and never get the dimensional door scroll from the Inquisitors. Also, Staunton and Minagho at the end of act 2 will be problematic. You need sooooo many summon scrolls so as not to be targeted. Anyway, after the gargoyle attack in act 2 all of your companions auto level to your main characters level. So now you should have a full roster at lvl 11 or 12. At this point I would tackle any companion quests if you desire.

[@iansnyder7680]

I actually really want to try a wotv dip, not even for a solo run, but just because I think the ability to go invis every round seems fun. I saw an interesting one by baldurs gate that was heavily tailored toward solo so I’m really struggling to figure out how to integrate this build with wotv while still making it unfair group viable.

[@heyokah]

@Ian Snyder I actually used Baldurs_gate_2's build with a few changes. I took improved crit blast talents (very useful until you get deadly earth and cloud) and traded out 1 lightning reflex and fortitude. If you want to group the build still works but you have to be careful with AoE placement as you will one shot your party members. What I did was solo up to the gargoyle attack in Act 2. Be sure to switch xp gain to non party before you load in. After you finish all of your party levels up to you. I was level 12. Before the end of act 3 I was lvl 19 and I waited to get Ember, Arueshalae, and Woljif until right before act 4 so they were lvl 19 as well. Once in act 4, turn xp gain to non party members again, solo the Mightnight Isles dlc and everyone should be lvl 16-17 at least. Before you finish act 4 you will be 20 and your lowest party members will be 18-19. But you will eventually discover that having other party members will slow you down, significantly. Anyway, his build is fun and quite effective. Best part is the ability to use wands forever. Haste and good hope up 24/7 and you can tank most bosses by dropping deadly earth and cloud at your feet and use a heal wand to sustain. You should give it a try! Unfair was mostly easy mode with that build.

[@iansnyder7680]

@@heyokah

[@iansnyder7680]

@@heyokah That sounds like a lot of fun. I'm a little confused as to how you were able to recruit all the companions as late as Act 4? How exactly did that work? Also, I am assuming you went Trickster too and kept everything else the same? I saw a recent guide from crpg pro where he went trickster with Kineticist and took the 3 improved improved etc critical feats, but I'm not sure if I should try to fit them all in here. I am starting to think I might want to try this out lol.

[@gunlancer1920]

Amazing video bro, looking forward to play this after my Angel run.

[@cRPGBro]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@zrevan4262]

Demon KINETICIST!!! Waaaaaaa! :D ~gonna watch the video and then comment more!~

[@cRPGBro]

Have fun! 😁

[@Mithrandir_Hu]

I really appriciate your detailed description that explains how Kineticist works and plays. I found it very useful. I've been reluctant to try Kineticist so far, but now I think it's time to give it a whirl, though I prefer to play Good aligned characters. Do you have any tips for an Azata/Angel Kineticist build? (I'm not planning to play on Unfair.)

[@cRPGBro]

Glad I was able to help you master the Kineticist class and thank you so much for the Channel Membership too 😃 I'm planning on doing a followup to this Guide with other Mythics that have Kineticist synergy, but it's mostly between Aeon, Lich & Trickster. Out of these, both Aeon and Trickster can be good aligned too. I'm afraid Azata and Angel don't really offer much synergy for Kineticist.

[@Mithrandir_Hu]

@@cRPGBro Aeon and Trickster sounds fun as well! And if I go Evil, I would prefer to do a Lich run over a Demon one, so no problem for me. Can't wait for your next video, your guides about spells, hexes or how to stack different kind of bonuses etc. are very helpful for beginner like me.

[@notalefty999]

@@Mithrandir_Hu Azata unfortunately took a massive nerf to kineticist a long time ago when they stopped zippy magic affecting kinetic blasts that use attack rolls (it never affected other infusions). Chaotic good trickster works fine. The improved critical feats work really well with any blasts that require attack rolls and assuming you are finessing or using ranged blasts, microscopic proportions is a strong AB buff. Having sneak attack dice also works exceptionally well late game with fire kinetic blade. Use treacherous flame and you will very reliably apply fire vulnerability and hit 50% harder. If you want to focus on kinetic blade, its one of the few builds that actually benefits a lot from gold dragon as it adds +14 to hit and two attacks a round (trickster would be the best base mythic path to start off as), though legend would still be better. In either case, be sure to take accomplished sneak attacker, either with dragon feats or before losing you trickster sneak attack dice to retain the ability to use treacherous flame. None of these options are as powerful as the interaction between aspect of the kalavakus, bowling and trip infusions. However, they arent pretty obviously mechanics not working as intended either, so less likely to be nerfed. That said, this interaction is sufficiently obscure that it could very well fly under the radar indefinitely. Obviously its not a good aligned character, but kineticists work very well as swarm characters. Cloud and deadly earth using the steam and magma infusions with ascendant element fire can do damage in a form which is completely unavoidable by any enemy for a lot of damage in a large AOE, and they can be stacked. 3 stacks of both magma deadly earth and steam cloud will kill basically anything in 1, very occasionally 2 rounds. It can also be precast before the vast majority of fights. As they dont rely on magic buffs and as swam immunities and magic nullification combine to make you invulnerable to the vast majority of harmful effects, you can be both unstoppable offensively and virtually invulnerable, particularly with your clones being able to tank the very few things which can hurt you. Finally, kineticists care about gear less than almost every other class in the game. Basically, you just need dex con belts and kinetic diadems, and there are enough to go around, so equipping your clones is alot easier than say, an enchanter or a dual wielder.

[@Mithrandir_Hu]

@@notalefty999 Thank you for you insight! :)

[@codefate7904]

I’ve been loving my kineticist play through but I’ve been encountering what I think is a bug. So I went with Elemental engine and from what I can tell the bonus you get doesn’t only apply at max burn. At least the bonus from burnout. It essentially stacks the elemental overflow damage on itself. So at my current level and burn I regularly see +12 elemental overflow + 12 burnout on my damage rolls. (This is with fire’s fury but the double dip works for the attack bonus too) Until I get to max burn and that goes to + 12 + 20. Why it’s +20 instead of 24 I don’t know but the issue I’ve had and I don’t know if it’s EE exclusive is I don’t have the toggle abilities show up for the size bonus on Elemental overflow when you reach 3, 5 and 7 burn. They haven’t showed up all play through and I’m stumped on it.

[@Uthandir]

What this makes me wonder is how would Kalavakus work with an alchemist and Force Bombs.

[@aeon5566]

I've not played Kineticist to high level yet, but how would you prevent killing yourself by spamming deadly earth with all the infusions? At the very least if you just use gather power low, you use burn. Which is a limited amount you can use till rest. Yet you commented at the start you can spam infinitely. Do you switch you gather power medium/high after you expend all your burn? Or is there another way to reduce burn that I'm not aware of?

[@johnreynolds2512]

Not sure why, but to me a Kineticist + Aeon play through sounds fun.

[@cRPGBro]

At the very least your allies will be immune to your Deadly Earths!

[@johnreynolds2512]

@@cRPGBro What do you think of Primal Druid + Aeon? All those attacks would synergize with some of the Aeon's powers.

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

I find it hilarious that a giant flaming Balor somehow happens to be a water bender.

[@trainheartnet5657]

These are always great

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks, friend!

[@someother5512]

Problem however is that demon rage only has a few uses, so if you are playing on the highest difficulty levels you will still have to rest a lot because there are not many trash mob encounters in that gameplay.

[@cRPGBro]

While that is true, you can still ambush most foes with Deadly Earth and then once battle starts proceed to cast it again. You won't deal the absurd damage from Kalavakus, but frankly it is still more than enough as it also knocks foes down!

[@someguyatsubway]

I adore Kinetic knight even if its one of the worst archetypes. Got through my last azlanti playthrough as one, stacking levels of Tower shield specialist for more base attack and to combine mythic shield focus to shore up my bad reflex. found my damage acceptable but not bonkers, its worth noting a 'bad' kineticist is still leagues above some other classes Especially when you combine multiple tripping pets and the bowling infusion for max trip

[@cRPGBro]

That sounds like a mighty fine run! Last Azlanti and with an archetype that's not the most optimal even.

[@someguyatsubway]

@@cRPGBro Oh believe me it wasn't pretty lol He ended up being named Viorec II Because the original died to an unfortunate combo of lost saves in chapter 4. I refined the build and actually played using minimal burn, even seeing if Tower Shield specialist and mythic shield focus could be of use to the build with extra feats. Messy but fun, and I want so bad to find ways to make even the bad archetypes in this game work. I also attribute a lot of that run's success to your excellent builds for my party members lol

[@Red-yt2dk]

Amon Jerro 👀 NWN2 gang represent

[@mckitten9643]

You should really do this as an EE instead of base Kineticist. As long as you are at max Burn, the EE is just a straight upgrade. And with so much CON, it's not a big deal to lose 8HP/lvl. And the only downside while not at max burn is ... taking more burn and getting to max faster.

[@cRPGBro]

My only issue with Elemental Engine is that I often DON'T want to be at max Burn, so I can still use maxxed out Empower + Maximize Deadly Earth for example which often costs 1 Burn even late game after all the reductions with Gather Power Low. With Medium though it can certainly become 0 Burn Cost, at which point EE would indeed shine.

[@ryanstewart2289]

Grease over performs in pretty much every version of Pathfinder or D&D it's in, and WOTR is no exception.

[@cRPGBro]

It's really amazing!

[@isdatdalord1622]

Ohhhh I was just thinking of playing this class.

[@cRPGBro]

It's one of the most unique and fun classes in the game, go for it!

[@JohnSmith-vm6hd]

Ok ... never done Kineticist before, just tested it in midnigth isle with a lvl14 save, it is awesome :D !!!

[@JohnSmith-vm6hd]

Finally, not so cool ...... demonic rage in combat mean 3 sec vulnerable. in 3 sec you are just dead ...

[@cRPGBro]

Kineticist really becomes one of the best classes at 13+!

[@JohnnyTsunami55]

Hmmm Amon Jerro... love the NWN2 reference :P

[@rapgod9447]

awesome guide, I have one question about dazzling display - when playing turn based, dont you also want to get mythical dazzling display to use it as swift action, also wont you need high cha to make intimidation work?

[@LB7-l6z]

Check out kineticist 20/ gendarme 20 trickster into legend. 13/20 crit range x4 multiplier and charges multiply that damage further x3. Add in vulpine pounce from world 3 trickster or by playing a kitsune and you can make a full round attack while charging with a kinetic blade. I can deal up to 6000 damage per crit, with 8 attacks per round. It's insane.

[@cRPGBro]

Sounds super fun! I've been meaning to make a Trickster > Kineticst Legend fully focused into Blade!

[@marcocolosimo1716]

An issues that i found about Kineticist: Size enanchment and Lunge don't work with Blade Whirlwind. An idea for a build: Kineticist/Gendarme Trickster into Legend for a charging flurry of tripping attacks. (think about Transfixed Charge with 6/7 kinetic blade attacks!)

[@cRPGBro]

That's a nice suggestion! I'll do a Kineticist Trickster > Legend soon enough.

[@Elthenar]

Amon Jerro. I understood that reference.

[@tangledfish]

I've only played kineticist once and I went aeon for the ability to make the party immune to deadly earth. I hadn't actually realised Kalavakus worked with deadly earth like this. I might need to make another kineticist now.

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, so long as Kalavakus remains at full power, besides Legend, Demon will definitely be the best for Kineticist as far as AoE!

[@steveyz9819]

Love your guides man! Hopefully a swarm and gold dragon build soon?

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you! Gold Dragon will be the next Mythic Guide, I am saving Swarm for last 😃

[@nightmedic6897]

@@cRPGBro cannot wait for Gold Dragon! I just became one and could definitely use your help in the respec.

[@Xhalthax]

So does this still work after the Sarkorian patch? I read that Kineticists got nerfed.

[@Martiniy0]

Wish there was a way of making deadly earth work in a party without finageling the party around the AoE. That is honestly the only reason I still haven't played a Kineticist

[@cRPGBro]

For that, you can go the Aeon Path and pick the Gaze that lets AoEs not have friendly fire. Otherwise, you can remove it after battle ends through the Dismiss Infusion ability.

[@TheDropshotPodcast]

Brother, make a Discord! Would love a community of Pathfinder players to chat with

[@solomani5959]

Excellent guide.

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks! I also have this Kineticist Guide here for more Mythic Path options other than Demon: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaWzmmuHmcRjirs

[@solomani5959]

@@cRPGBro Nice, thanks!

[@notalefty999]

I dont really understand why they gutted zippy magic and elemental barrage, but the far more obviously bugged triggering two composite blast kinetic blade strikes at range per target, when its supposed to be melee and require a cast time or heft burn cost, remains unnerfed. Still, its a clever use of mechanics.

[@cRPGBro]

Frankly, I'd also have preferred if those stayed. The more power to non merged mythics, the better for me.

[@zyfryth]

Another thing is that since kintecist can't do full round attack, unless using kinetic blade, feats that require full-attack like clustered shots will NOT work :) Btw I am curious what happens if we are lich kineticist? After our transformation do we just count CHA as our casting stat, or does it bug, since we no longer have CON? :D Also if we turn into Balor, can we activate kinetic blade to overwrite Balor saber weapon with out kinetic blade? Also, according to the wiki, aspect of socothbenoth works on abilities as well, so if description is to be trusted, it should make enemies roll with disadvantage on your kinetic blast effects DC, which I consider to be pretty cool :D

[@notalefty999]

It might be buggy, but yes, after final transformation, charisma should replace con is your controlling stat. That said, you are probably better off playing overwhelming soul. Dark elementalist may seem more thematic, but it gets much lower health and fort saves, and soul power is really inconvenient to play with. Pretty sure kinetic blade simply doesnt work with shapeshifting.

[@InJoyIsHere]

tnx for video, mind if i ask if this build is still viable?

[@MordredMorghul]

Archmage armor no longer procs from scrolls or potions.

[@edyburkay]

I dont quite understand 1 thing. Sorry for my ignorance: Does aspect of Kalavakus let your composite blast to hit multiple?

[@realAgitated]

can anyone tell me how or where on the character page can I see the attack roll information for kinetic blast like the + to rolls and what affects it.

[@frosty-faun8056]

Question, sorry I just can't figure out why you didn't start with 25 points to allocate at the character creation? 🤔 Loving all your build videos

[@natedavis4588]

I watch videos of this game as someone who plays crpgs to one day try to attempt to start this game😂

[@CoffeeForAll]

Are kineticists still bugged? I remember the lesser rod causing problems and never touching the class again.

[@8bit_outcast708]

A quick question to those who have played this class, (i have not played one before.). So I am not going to go with water for my demon playthrough (RP/theme reasons), BUT I do want to do the earth with it. So here lies my question. Would you all recommend fire first for the early game or earth? Fire would hit touch and I can get through fire resist at the end of act 1 so no big deal there. The big win with fire, for me, is the increased effectiveness against the swarms I will find in Act 1 and Act 2. I know going earth would give me the bowling early for extra trip chance, but make it harder to hit as well.

[@rpgptbr]

What should i tell the Skeletal Merchant for him to bring me the critical kineticist ring?

[@thakydd9713]

do you ever plan to do kingmaker builds? all the builds i see for it dont really delve into the early game or are even early game viable at all like your builds

[@cRPGBro]

I haven't done any yet, but it's food for thought!

[@BenjCano2020]

Ammon Jerro. I see what you did there. 😂

[@cRPGBro]

It's such a pity we don't have the Warlock class in Pathfinder, I find the flavor/background a lot more fun than Kineticist!

[@Ethereal_Echo]

@@cRPGBro To be fair, some of the flavor of 3.5s warlock went into the witch class. I figure getting maybe the insanity and deception patrons might match the flavor of demons and devils respectively.

[@alfredoperez4370]

Is grease and movement impairing spells still bugged on the defenders heart defense? Last i played that part pitfall and grease didn't do anything

[@zhelyazkogrudov6476]

Could you finish up with the updated companion builds? If you want to ofc :)

[@cRPGBro]

To be fair, I think I've covered them all already besides the Undead, Queen Galfrey and Trever 😃

[@amaniwatson4608]

I’m pretty sure you can’t get all your attacks with kinetic blade whilst using gather power low

[@JohnSmith-vm6hd]

Tested agains the last boss of midnight isle. really realyy disapointing. Why the magic didn't work? first on normal difficulty : 2 hit, 2 x 80 damage. trip and bull rush need a socre of 160. my max is 120 :( on casual difficulty : 4 hit : 2 x 90 + 2 (trip+bullrush) x 300 : 800 damage :( ...

[@cRPGBro]

Did you turn the Kinetic Metamagic Abilities on? For single target enemies/bosses, you want to stack damage with Maximized + Empowered Kinetic Blade, not Deadly Earth or the normal single target Blast. Also, did you apply the Bane of Spirit ring effect before? It's the only way to bypass Damage Reduction that some bosses can have in the high amounts, as the Blasts with Earth combos deal physical damage.

[@JohnSmith-vm6hd]

@@cRPGBro metamagic on (except quicken), bane of spirit wasn't in you guide, tested but no differences : 2x 300 force damage. :( But yes kinetic blade is better thx.

[@pawep2966]

You can full attack with kinetic blade even while gather power low cost move action how?

[@cRPGBro]

My guess is it's more lenient on RTWP, or you can do it before battle.

[@leyasu888]

Hi, sorry to ask here when it is not related to the kineticist. Love your WotR build videos and have been binge watching them. I would like to ask you if you know if bite attacks still stack in WotR? Alot of articles from a year ago say they do but i was just told on the steam discussion that they changed that to make them not stack anymore. Do you have any information regarding this? I want to make a bite monster main character in preparation for the upcoming DLC 4. Thank you

[@cRPGBro]

I believe Bite attacks were changed NOT to stack anymore.

[@leyasu888]

@@cRPGBro oh darn, i was so looking forward to making a natural attack character with the new class from the dlc 😭

[@SinSorrowEU]

Hey-a. Could you put ”mercenary” in your builds? Like how to build if used as a mercenary or at least rate build as a mercenary. I always know what to build my main charr, but I tend to make many mercenaryes that I change for dungeons. So those builds would be a nice addition.

[@cRPGBro]

My first Kineticist Guide was mercenary focused, but after that I built them mostly for Mythic Synergy. I am planning on a full Merc Guide however as that has been requested, but I also already have Merc Guides for both Brown Fur and Skald which I think are the best choices, unless you want a full merc party.

[@SinSorrowEU]

@@cRPGBro Full Dhampir party 😸 as evil Lich playthrough ofc. Full animalistic (drood/shaman/barb) neutrall playthrough. …only strugling with good ones, might have to skip it.

[@SirCanuckelhead]

Kine is pretty easy to build for a merc, you mostly need con and dex, so dump everything else, int not needed esp if you have skill monkies in your party, cha not needed, str not needed. Could even go kitsune to get bonus stats with master shape as there are not many mythic feats that you want/need

[@YamatoForever]

Could you make a Kineticist/Demon/Swarm that Walks build? And is that build viable? What would be your minimum level you would take a kineticist? Later in the build it seemed like the power selections were redundant and not an improvement on the powers you already have. Why not multiclass?

[@cRPGBro]

It would be viable, but going Demon > Swarm means you'll lose out on all Demon bonuses. But it won't matter that much when you can just use your Swarm clones for more Kineticist Abilities like Double/Triple Deadly Earth etc. I wouldn't Multiclass because it reduces the damage of your blasts, and even later the Kineticist Capstone ability is really good to freely Empower + Maximize blasts with lower costs.

[@smonkey001]

Which version of the Slick I should be using early game? I have to spend 1 burn to use the 1min/level one and there isn't a way to reduce the burn. That 1 round Slick is just too short. Am I suppose to just CC without doing damage to spam the Slick?

[@cRPGBro]

That depends, I would save the longer Slick which costs Burns for battles that truly matter, because there will come a time where you run out of Burn until you rest. For the so called "trash" mob battles, it's better to just spam normal Slick every round. While you won't deal damage, the added benefit from knock down to your party member's attacks/defense is substantial!

[@wickeddrac7489]

can you do a Kinetic build with Angel or Azata or Lich? Just not a fan of the Demon mythic path but want to try Kinetic playthrough?

[@cRPGBro]

I'm planning on Lich Kineticist indeed as it's one of the paths that have synergy with the class.

[@GreenNovis]

What do you mean backgrounds dont do anything for me other than falvor? Preception class skill

[@cRPGBro]

It's mostly that Perception wise I tend to have one character stacking it to the maxx already outside of Pets that can also cover it.

[@gianlucascappaticci901]

any chance to get a build for a melee angel cleric that turns into legend? i was planning to play that for the next dlc but im not too confident in my build. I was thinking of going crusader 1h+shield and then start shield bashing when i go legend. the biggest problem is that i dont like using pets, so i was trying to get some armor class by using a shield.

[@cRPGBro]

I'll give it a try! Currently I only have Shapeshifter Angel > Legend.

[@atdeacon]

Does the effect of Sigil of Destruction stack with another Sigil of Destruction? Meaning--can you wear two copies of the ring and get an effect from both?

[@cRPGBro]

Nope!

[@SuperBartolinio]

Why starting with 14 Dex and 12 str? Doesn't you want as high Dex as possible for the to hit chance? And is blast damage even affected from str?

[@cRPGBro]

STR is at 12 because it is very easy to increase it with Kineticist Demon and buffs, which is why we end up with 37, higher than DEX, despite not spending a single level up point into it. STR will contribute to Kinetic Blade AB. Higher DEX is not needed because CON is what increases your Burn Capacity/Ability Damage, and the most powerful Kineticist powers like Deadly Earth do NOT require a roll to hit. Lastly, even as early as level 2, this build also has alternatives that are for more efficient than the initial Blast and and don't require a roll to hit like the Grease AoE.

[@Gamirca]

Petition: one full caster build. No melee at all

[@cRPGBro]

It's right here 😃: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4Hbq4WKeLhnmZI

[@Gamirca]

@@cRPGBro NICE! Thank you! I'll be sure to try it this week

[@quantum_leviathan]

Ok I have a level 13 kineticist mercenary I hired/made half following your video but seeing as I'm not demon path I diverged a little I took fire and earth and a few different choices you recommended I turn every infusion off and turn on the medium gather power and for some reason I can't use magma kinetic blade, why?

[@jacobdavis5722]

Do you have the lesser kinetic rod? That stops you from using composite blasts with kinetic blade I think.

[@quantum_leviathan]

@@jacobdavis5722 yes I think I do... Haven't played in over a year though

[@Olkam-w5u]

And what Elements would you advise to choose for a build with Aeon and Trickster?

[@cRPGBro]

The same, since Slick is amazing for the beginning (it has great scaling too and can reach close to 60 DC without any feat/gear boosts!) and Earth for Deadly Earth is still great for any Kineticist. Main difference Trickster wise is that Kinetic Blade hits are more valuable due to your very high crit chance/damage together with the many attacks/round, as Deadly Earth cannot crit.

[@Olkam-w5u]

@@cRPGBro But there will be problems with the attack (AB), how to increase it?

[@cRPGBro]

@@Olkam-w5u AB isn't really an issue. Slick reduces enemy AC by -4 vs melee once they get knocked down which is extremely useful in the beginning of the game. Kineticists are Medium BAB just like Clerics, Oracles and so on. They end up at 15 out of 20 BAB which is fine, or even 25 with Trickster for Blade focus due to Athletics 3. Buffs will help as with any character, same for Skald. Shatter Defenses will also highly increase your AB for Chapter 4-6 enemies.

[@sushidonut579]

2 Witch of the Veil / 18 Elemental Engine kineticist. Enjoy soloing the game on unfair. Edit - trickster mythic path. That is key.

[@daracaex]

Are there any good mythic paths that work well with Kineticist, for players who don’t enjoy being evil?

[@cRPGBro]

I will soon release a follow up to this guide with options for non evil Mythics!

[@krisjohnson3652]

What is the best team to take with you as a Kineticist during the beginning (Act 2 and Act 3)?

[@cRPGBro]

The usual: Seelah, Cam, Daeran, Sosiel & you can go with one ranged char like Lann/Aru/Wenduag, OR ignore them since a Kineticist can do enough enough ranged damage and go with a Skald merc to support party before Kineticist gets really OP.

[@krisjohnson3652]

@@cRPGBro been with a ranged team in act 1 since my own team would fall once I put slick down. I like the melee team okay, but then slick and devastating earth would not be wise to use , correct?

[@cRPGBro]

@@krisjohnson3652 To be fair, once you get Deadly Earth you are pretty much one shotting or highly damaging entire enemy packs, so the downside of friendly fire doesn't really mean much!

[@Kings_Gambit]

No Ascendant Element? How far off would the build be with Fire > Earth > Fire?

[@cRPGBro]

Ascendant Element is not needed because both Water & Earth deal physical damage with this setup. Fire can be chosen first, but then you should indeed get Ascendant Element at Mythic 1. I just prefer Water for the very spammable Grease effect which I find extremely efficient early game.

[@puriewhite]

I was planning to play kineticist when the new DLC comes out, but I wanted to skip being a deadly earth spammer, because it's a completely broken ability. I wanted to focus more on Kinetic blade and whirlwind - is water/earth still the best element for that or is there something better?

[@notalefty999]

For kinetic blade, you definitely want at least one energy infusion and honestly, fire is the best. The AB of physical kinetic blades is really pretty poor. Elemental engine can help a bit, but then you are very squishy and in melee. Base kineticist (the best archetype) with energy blade will do just fine against enemy AC, and dazzling display can be taken as a wild talent if you are fire, helping to get shatter defences. Fire also gets eruption, which is decent as blue flame blast, without being as obviously unbalanced as deadly earth. Whatever you do, do not take kinetic knight even if you only intend to use blade and whirlwind. The loss of metakinetic mastery empower is HUGE for kinetic blade builds, and the loss of gather power and metakinesis is even worse for whirlwind. For physical blasts, earth is the way to go. Trip is very useful so bowling infusion is great. Pushing infusion from water sucks for kinetic blade, as it will break your full attack action, knocking the enemy out of range. Its also just not a particularly useful effect.

[@cRPGBro]

I still fancy Water first because Slick is THAT good for the early and some of the mid game. For a higher focus on Blade, I suggest going Trickster then as you can truly maximize its damage and even get another attack/round and more AB from Athletics 3!

[@puriewhite]

@@notalefty999 Thanks, I might go with fire then.

[@puriewhite]

@@cRPGBro Free grease spell really does sound great. I might just pick whichever element fits my character thematically then, since I don't play on unfair, only on core, so it shouldn't make too much of a difference in the end.

[@nekmed89]

hi i have one question how to equip lesser kineticist rod without it bugs?

[@cRPGBro]

Simply add it to one of your Quickslots, and it will be automatically turned on from there onwards.

[@yoavhelfman1888]

does kalavakus only let you hit enemies with your kinetic blade within your reach? i find myself opening almost every fight with deadly earth ambush so i wasn't sure if it was going to be worth it for me if i cant reach them

[@cRPGBro]

Nope, it's what makes it so OP. So long as the enemy is hit by the AoE, it will also be hit by the Blade twice regardless of the range.

[@notalefty999]

It probably should, and you probably shouldnt be able to take an attack of the opportunity with a composite blast without a sizeable burn cost as no gather power is being used, but apparently, you get instant attack of the opportunities at any range, even when gather power should be required to use the blast in question without burn. Its a clever and very obscure interaction, so may well go unnerfed. If Owlcat ever get around to it however, I am pretty sure this is not working as intended and will be removed.

[@archavenx]

is there a non demon kineticists? or non lich. is trickster or azata viable?

[@cRPGBro]

There is! I have Mythic Kineticist Guide here covering the best options besides Demon: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaWzmmuHmcRjirs

[@InJoyIsHere]

is this still doable with Elemental Engine?

[@pawep2966]

How are you dealing with ghosts who are immune to non magical weapon including physical blasts?

[@cRPGBro]

As early as 5 you can just buff your Blade with GMW/Magic Weapon. I suppose for before that, you can just rely on allies, I can't really recall any Incorporeal enemies early besides the single Shadow pack at the Marketplace which isn't really troublesome with Cam and Ghost Touch or just stacking STR + Reach weapons + Magic Weapon/Finnean. Death Ward scroll on tank/pet tank can block their drain too I believe. The optional Shadow Demon also falls to similar strategies even on Unfair, and can be fought at level 5 if you min max XP at Chapter 1. And of course, Bane of Spirit just trivializes it all past Chapter 2, and is something you always want due to the blasts not being able to achieve Cold Iron + Good otherwise, unless I'm mistaken. I'm not really a fan of the lower damage of the composite elemental blasts, especially considering how high you can get the multipliers and stacks what with Empower + Maximize.

[@pawep2966]

@@cRPGBro So if you try for example to beat spectral Minotaur Boss you can't just prepare battlefield with wall and deadly earth and only use blade infusion +GWM?

[@cRPGBro]

@@pawep2966 For Spectral Mino, you can just use Bane of Spirit as at that point you'll have easy access to it.

[@GreenNovis]

Why does the kinetic blast deal the main damage twice?

[@cRPGBro]

Aspect of Kalavakus grants an extra attack whenever you perform a Combat Maneuver, through Pushing + Bowling Infusion your abilities also apply Trip + Bull Rush at the same time!

[@quantum_leviathan]

And how about a guide for those who aren't on the demon path?

[@cRPGBro]

I have other Mythic Kineticist Builds here, with Trickster, Aeon, Lich and Legend: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaWzmmuHmcRjirs

[@quantum_leviathan]

@@cRPGBro ok , well speaking of kineticist ,I hired a Merc kineticist and picked earth and fire elements so far, getting air later and for some reason I can't use magma blade for some reason, with pushing and bowling infusion ,metakinesis empower and maximize, fire or earth blade(active or inactive doesn't seem to matter) it's just greyed out and never gets ungreyed out ive tried many things but nothing works, for reference with pushing bowling maximize and empower all active along with low gather power I can use magma wall,blast or extended range to use magma deadly earth I need gather power medium or high but even when I push magma blade to zero burn with medium I still can't use it, why? My max burn is currently 11 I believe my con modifier is +8 or something

[@quantum_leviathan]

Sorry I wrote greyed out but it's more blacked out and I don't know how to use it I ,in theory,should be able to but the game won't let me

[@justinwalker3109]

Is this build still viable after the updates?

[@cRPGBro]

100% yes!

[@justinwalker3109]

How would you recommend spending the extra points at creation?

[@flavioromano8754]

Just to remind, kineticist also has a great interaction with lich. Which imo is better coz its always active and i can change the damage of all blasts, including the physical ones, to negative energy. Demon is good too, but having limited uses of a mythic power per day on a class that its main selling point is NOT having a daily limit on its abilities is a bummer

[@cRPGBro]

I'm planning on Triple Mythic Kineticist Guide as a follow up for Aeon, Lich & Trickster options so you aren't just limited to Demon 😃

[@flavioromano8754]

@@cRPGBro that is nice, more variety Thing is, specially new players they look for builds online and when they see class A always paired with mythic X they think they cant do it some other way

[@flavioromano8754]

When the person has experience with pathfinder they can figure it out, but pathfinder is hard to learn, takes some times. that is why i think the more different builds out there, different takes on classes, different from the most optimized, is great.

[@flavioromano8754]

For example, right now im playing an sorcerer azata focused on illusion,and having a blast. My main spell is phantasmal killer. Thing is, i commited not to use any evocation spell (magic missile is the only exception), so i have to get creative with how to deal with enemies that are immune to PK. I could get undead bloodline so it would work on undead, mechanically it is great, but it doesnt fit the character i am playing, roleplay-wise. Its been refrshing playing like this, instead of doing always the samey chain lightning thing.

[@notalefty999]

I would say lich is actually pretty bad. Kineticists are hardly starved for mythic powers, so ascendant element fire is easy enough to pick. Death of elements doesnt offer that much imo and, relative to how hard kinetic blasts hit, the bonus of negative energy mastery is nothing to write home about. Improved critical feats from trickster will be a much larger damage increase if you use infusions with attack rolls. You can also benefit from sneak attack dice, which lategame means treacherous flame and a 50% damage increase. The main issue with Lich though is that the best archetype for kineticist, the base class and the next best, the elemental engine, will want to pump constitution and have no real use for charisma. Rank 9 liches replace constitution with charisma. So you can be a bad kineticist most of the game, or bad kineticist at the end of the game, but with still a significant amount of content remaining. Yes, you could go overwhelming soul, psychokineticist or dark elementalist, but these are all significantly worse than base kineticist.

[@Armore2]

second ring?

[@cRPGBro]

Triumphant Advance + Sigil of Destruction are the best!