PF: WOTR EE - MYTHIC Path TIER List: ALL MYTHICS RANKED Best to Worst

Learn what the BEST MYTHIC Paths are and what makes them so powerful over the rest!
ALL the 10 Mythic Paths covered, best to worst, including Path variations!
Timestamps down below:
Chapters
00:00 Mythic Paths Overview
01:06 Why MERGED MYTHICS are OP
02:09 Mythic Merged Mechanics
04:19 SSS - Merged ANGEL
08:26 SS - Merged LICH
12:02 S - TRICKSTER
17:21 A+ - AZATA Caster
20:42 A - Unmerged Lich
21:52 B - DEMON
25:59 C - AEON
29:17 D+ - Melee Azata
30:20 D Unmerged Angel
31:43 LATE GAME Mythics
32:18 SSS - LEGEND from Merged Angel & Lich OR Trickster
35:49 SS - SWARM from Merged Angel & Lich OR Trickster
38:37 A+ - Normal Legend
39:17 A - GOLD DRAGON Merged Angel & Lich OR Trickster
41:33 B - DEVIL from Azata Caster
43:25 C - Normal Swarm
44:09 D - Normal Gold Dragon
44:36 E - Devil from Aeon
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[@cRPGBro]

Thank you! More Solasta content is yet to come, and BG3 too as well!

[@grandlancer]

I really like the way to broke these lists and showcased the variants of each path. Great video.

[@cRPGBro]

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[@AlexisTheDragon]

Personally I think merged azata with defensive superpowers, melee/magic hybrid is best, merged into gold dragon. Mega invcincible, totally invincible, cannot die, and cannot die whilst being ambushed. All with not having to waste time pre-buffing, stacking buffs, can do it completely solo, without adding one buff except mage armour. I can beat the full game on core only keeping up mage armour, using shield every now and then. (I could prob do unfair but, I dno why enemies should be so strong it already feels like its breaking lore with some random bandits being gods) -------------------------------- 1 sorcerer - get arcane strike - extend spell (crossblooded red dragon/abberant) (ABBERANT BLOODLINE IS FROM THE TABLETOP TWEAKS MOD) 1 monk - get crane style (scaled fist) 1 Oracle (enlightened philosopher) get natures whispers and powerfuless prophecy 2 sorcerer 4 Dragon Disciple 2 anti or paladin 9 sorcerer (Get true strike to gaurentee a hit with ur cornugon smash) Feats 1 - arcane strike/Maximize Spell 2 - crane style 3 - Weapon Focus Unarmed 5 - Dazzling Display 7 - Toughness -Power Attack - diehard. 9 - Cornugon Smash 11- Shatter Defenses 13- Diehard 15- Toughness 17- Stalwart - Iron Will 19- Improved Stalwart Mythic Abilities/Feats (get the feat to get more abilities) Max Bloodline/ascendent element Fire (HELLFIRE!)/thundering blows/archmage armour/last stand Mythic Feats: Extra Ability, Destructive SHockwave, Iron Will, mythic resolve, mythic toughness. Mythic Path: Azata, then gold dragon, Superpowers, supersonic speed, then marvelous endurance. Then just go gold dragon. ----------------------------------------------------------- Even before any mythic stuff, my char will be able to hit anything with melee, get 2-3 attacks at beginning of the game if I want, 5-6 super early, with a basically full caster, and like 7-8 end game. Arcane strke will eventually let you penetrate nigh all damage reduction without any mythic abilities. With good str and the good bab scaling from dragon disciple and +4 str, really good str, and a +1 bab from monk. Insane AC from charisma from oracle/monk, whilst also able to just dump dex. Powerless prophecy curse from oracle gives u uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge for free, so your ac is never reduced through bs and unsusceptible to sneak attacks early. Supersonic speed is basically passive 50% less dmg from elemental dmg basically , passive 20% miss chance that stacks with other miss chance, and a 10% to just fully avoid spells. also the +1 to attack and full extra attack u get from the passive haste effect. Then marvelous endurance into stalwart + improves stalwart, that's 18/- Dr below 25% hp, which is like 200 hp with a well made golden dragon with the, the mythic capstone early feat on abberant, that's 5/- DR and immunity to sneak attacks and crits, so no buffing incase u got a 20 rolled on you. That is 23/- DR, you simply cannot get hit more than that normally unless it's a crit, or sneak attack, but you're immune to crits/sneak attacks. You nigh never will get hit anyway with mega ac, if you do, not much is gonna get through 23/- DR, if it does, you're regenerating 40 hp a round. If the enemy does confirm a crit, you still get the 1d6 mythic rank temporary hitpoints, without actually taking the crit damage. The only thing that could kill you is magic, but wait, you're immune to all elements, and even if you weren't, you'd take 50% less thx to supersonic. All of this with no buffs, just passively walking around as a mega immortal, which is also FAR better in table top, because all these "do 10 buffs" builds would never work in table top and you'd die in a second. Oh yeah, and you have charisma to all your saves, literally invulnerable.

[@black_nodius8177]

This is where I'd recommend the spellbook merge mod which give all mythic paths options to merge as well as allowing half casters like magus to merge. Some other mods i'd recommend is "Path of rage" a demon mythic path rework which makes demon really fun and "Tabletop tweaks" and "dark codex" these add a lot of new feats and mythic options as well a major expansion to kineticist.

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, I'm still surprised by how MUCH more powerful Merged Mythics are. It would be best for me if all Mythics could merge, or at least had a few class options for each.

[@black_nodius8177]

@@cRPGBro Yeah. My dream is that they add merging to all mythics and give us a way to get late game paths earlier in chapter 3. Some of them like gold dragon has some really good story but you barely get to see them.

[@meow14467]

@@cRPGBro ird be cool to see builds with it, though idk how viable that is video wise

[@Mithras734]

I agree, merging other mythic paths is a requirement for me.

[@TheGamernews1]

@@cRPGBroprobably because it would completely break the balancing of the game.

[@dicksoncockburn6832]

Aeon is a little bit underappreciated, I remember the first time I defeated unfair was using aeon sylvan sorcerer, and my main character's build was all over the place, not minmaxing at all, I ended up taking 3 meta magic feats, even so I didn't have a lot of challenge. Either because sylvan sorcerer is a strong class or aeon is a strong mythic path, early game you get an other type plus 2 attack that stacks with bardic song and a pet. Latter, you have selective zero state with greater quicken magic rod, mephisto went down in a few rounds after losing all his buffs, final boss you just use transformation aeon bane and then normal attack. And also you have destructive dispel, the more buff your enemies have, the higher chance they roll a critical fail no matter how high their fortitudes are. It's like an emp, it's so satisfying. The most useless mythic path is azata imo, it was the only mythic path I didn't beat unfair with, mephisto is impossible after enhanced edition, I have to turn it down to hard. Angel and lich get tactical nukes, trickster and demon are on steroids, aeon get emps, and azata gets nothing, complete trash

[@cRPGBro]

Sounds like fun! Thankfully I believe you can still retain Lich Spells as Gold Dragon.

[@nicholaswells4572]

I love your videos I’m still playing this game (a thousand hours in now). Taking a break currently to play PoE 1 and 2 while I wait for the new archetypes to come out 😂

[@cRPGBro]

Have fun! PoE and Deadfire are really fun games too.

[@firefly5677]

Azata is my personal favorite. I just love the lore and flavor. And who can argue having your own dragon? Like it can be a little silly at times, but I can't help but love it

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, Aivu alone is really fun and has an ENORMOUS amount of unique dialogue!

[@romanalcantara7131]

Love all your content!

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you for the comment as always!

[@user-wb6pc7id6t]

Great and helpful! Thanks you!

[@cRPGBro]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Strrlaza]

Yessss ranking videooooo 🤣 let’s goooo

[@Cleruian]

For Legend respeccing, your last respec chance is right after selecting Legend, but before entering the Midnight Fane. That way you still got the old path's goodies (merged book/Perception 2), BUT you can set up for your final build in advance. Make sure to get at least +8 CL via Prestige Classes if you aim to keep Level 10 spell access.

[@Haiphong778]

Happy to see another Pathfinder video c: Of course it's great that cRPG Bro to feature all kinds of cprgs, I think his guides are great, but I do hope we can continue to expect more Pathfinder content in the future. I have a fixationnnnn!!! (Personally I hate DnD 5e and I don't know if I'll have time/money/patience for Baldur's Gate 3, so Pathfinder is still my crpg of choice for now).

[@cRPGBro]

Thank you! And fear not, for more PF content is coming for sure, especially with the remaining DLCs!

[@jamesalec1321]

Thanks very much.

[@NoNo-tl9gb]

this makes me wanna play a lot more mythic paths.

[@cRPGBro]

It's one of the best parts about Wrath, all the different choices!

[@Dionysus24779]

I would be interested in a tier list of the same Mythics (including progression like Aeon -> Devil) but from a story point of view. You did mention the angel has the most content, but I would like to learn to "reactive" or well written the other paths are.

[@cRPGBro]

Angel definitely has most story content. Azata and Demon come close in second. The other paths... I'm afraid nowhere near as much! Especially late ones like GD and Devil. Swarm does offer some unique content however, but just for Chapter 5.

[@domingossn]

@@cRPGBro I'm playing Lich and it feels very unique!

[@hrungr73]

The Tricker's "Persuasion" ability at Rank 3 is *absurdly* powerful. I picked it up late-game and... wow. It's always active and it decimates enemies. All you need to do is show up! Two Demon Lords just exploded in my presence!

[@cRPGBro]

It's very fun and effective indeed! I have a build focused on it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5-zYZqLedNlptk

[@hrungr73]

@@cRPGBro Niiiice! Clearly, I missed this one! And yeah, very optimized. For myself, I'd still want to fit in "Use Magic Device". Even at Rank 2, *unlimited* wand usage is very, very powerful. Wand of Heal, Wand of Haste, Wand of... pick your buff. Running around perma-hasted has some good QoL improvements even outside of combat.

[@notalefty999]

The most powerful hellfire rays are arguably tricksters with trick of fate active (guaranteed hit (a few enemies have high touch AC) and quad damage and an extra 5d6 sneak attack damage on every ray and between completely normal spell and 2nd wizard spellbook a massive number of casts), or Devils with zippy magic at rank 10 (which admittedly is basically irrelevant). Sword of heaven applies to each ray separately and the extra dice amplify the effect of brimorak, and you hit two targets at a time and get the zippy magic damage bonus also. AND you can spam endlessly and reset your rage uses with 2nd wind. This also works really well with chain lightening.

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, it's hard to compete with Trick Fate! It's just that sadly Trickster doesn't offer much otherwise for casters, although I miss when Normal Spell was bugged to let ANY spell become a cantrip 😁

[@user-anton.vasiliev]

Thank u man. Having watched this video of yours made me thinking, that not all mechanics are equally working on turn based game play, for ex, attacks of opportunity don't stack so good

[@cRPGBro]

Yes, there are some minor differences in Turn Based, Teamwork Feats are one of them mostly due to the fact it's harder to get all allies close to the enemies at the same time.

[@user-anton.vasiliev]

@@cRPGBro worse than that, Outflanking on unfair in turn-base as concept must provide +4 on attacks per char surrounding an enemy, but in reality it doesn't seem to be working

[@alfadorfox]

And here I went for Trickster not because I had yet heard it would be OP (I'm still on my first playthrough so kinda annoying myself every time I can't resist peeking at something that turns out to spoil) but because I wanted to try Arcane Trickster and I saw that Trickster granted enough sneak attack dice right when you choose the path, to qualify. I had no idea it would come online so late in character level progression that I would have probably done better to just dip rogue or vivi. XD Ah well that's why I play on Normal for the first playthrough (actually Custom because regular Normal doesn't let you custom level up companions which of course I wanted to do). Contemplating at some point a build that goes Cleric+Wizard -> Mystic Theurge -> Merged Angel -> Legend for a truly ridiculous double caster progression.

[@yammoto148]

So I know legend is kind of more suited to being a martial class because you can't scale spellcasting past level 20. But what if you go Divine Estheclurge? As they merge Divine and Arcane Spellbooks and scale them additional levels, and its less punishing to go the class as legend, as your level cap is 40, which means you can go 15/15/10? Also if you really want to continue scaling martial abilities one of the classes can be Magus or Shaman, I just don't know if Divine Estheclurge will give them spell levels up until 9 tho.

[@parzivalvolarus9281]

How did you not even talk about Azata’s “Life-Bonding Friendship”? It unloads your party from having to take any Team feats, which could easily be a total of 10-20 slots across your party, *and* it gives summons your team abilities.

[@davidsoyele7829]

Is there are a way or reason to go shifter to gold dragon? I’d like it to be at least relatively powerful, while being thematically cool.

[@yari4046]

i have 2 questions: will you be doing videos for baldurs gate 3 when it comes out? what ranking would you give demon when using mods that give demon rage infinite uses?

[@cRPGBro]

I most definitelly will! In that case, Demon is definitely at the very least A or S tier even. But mostly if you're using a build that can truly exploit Kalavakus Aspect like Cavalier, Kineticist or Shifter Wolf.

[@neiljopling4693]

Trickster makes an excellent Arcane Trickster since they can qualify for the 2D6 sneak attack and stays pure caster. 20th level caster plus up to 13d6 sneak attack damage for ray attacks and eventually AoE is huge. If you use Green mage to start and pick UMD3 you can end up with a 20th level Druid spellbook and 20th level wizard.

[@cRPGBro]

At the very least you can have the ultimate Sneak boosted Ray Spells too!

[@adammusia9527]

@@cRPGBro yeah, I did a Raymaster5000 build for a Trickster Arcane Trickster that has 12d6 sneak, full casting, and his rays crit on 15-20 for x4, it's pretty fun. Crossblooded/Loremaster/Arcane Trickster and BAM, all is dead.

[@MirrorOfEmotions]

I have also the impression that Trickster is actually *the* mythic path for arcane trickster because it really synergize good with it.

[@markmahler6446]

My first run through this game was also one of the weakest paths I could have chosen (Non-merged Angel Oread Monk into Gold Dragon). Ignorance really was bliss here, as I still loved the game. I was pretty much blown away by the power of the other paths on subsequent playthroughs, which I think is why I keep coming back.

[@TempestLM]

Mine was pure Monk Aeon into Devil, then I found out it's the weakest path and I didn't even use it's only strong sides ☠️

[@mihai000000]

i went paladin angel. Still had a blast. But paladins as a class in a game full of demons is pretty much cheating i guess. Any class with a pet avaible , and the ability to smite or mark of justice will just carry you regardless of mythic path

[@Sam-ux7cn]

Nice, also still waiting for the lich golden dragon lore master build. In truth I would like to see some more lore master builds.

[@cRPGBro]

Dracolich Build sounds like fun times!

[@zoetoledo5189]

Some ideas for the mythic path for a werewolf character?

[@notalefty999]

Have you experimented with save scumming rank 3 knowledge arcana? Never bothered myself as it sounds very tedious and many great items are acquired after then, but do you what kind of enchants you can actually get out of this?

[@cRPGBro]

I've never tried it because as you said it sounds very time consuming, especially for a point in the game you can just destroy everything regardlless.

[@stephan4921]

Are you going to cover BG3? Tbh, I'm surprised you don't have any videos already :O Plenty of stuff to talk about in early access already and it's getting very close to launch.

[@cRPGBro]

I most certainly will! Also planning on doing BG1&2 for fun.

[@klebbe1]

Hmm, the information is a bit confusing, does the Enduring Spells affect the 1h group version Fortress of the Faithful? (It does state MORE than 1h spells)

[@cRPGBro]

I believe for that you'll need Greater Enduring Spells, which is a must have for merged Angel/Lich anyways due to their higher Caster Level boost.

[@desen6486]

Need to mention Corrupt Magic on Lich. First dispel everything vs. those unfair bosses with way too many buffs. THEN apply a further -1 to AB/Damage/AC/Saves for each buff lost. Which ends up being like -20 on lategame bosses. Poor Unfair Areelu ended with a will save of 25

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, it's really one of the best spells in the game considering the Lich Merge!

[@DarthJimius]

You are right about demon. After playing with it, I understand why they added limited charges to the rage mechanic. If rage was unlimited the entire game would have been a cakewalk.

[@darkandy9794]

Oh thank god your still making pathfinder content

[@cRPGBro]

Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 content soon to come too!

[@lorgren4002]

I STRONGLY recommend using scs mod, yes it makes game harde especially mage (chess) fights but it's so much more fun imho + added divine spells make cleric/druid much more powerful (closer to a mage)

[@adammusia9527]

As usual, sure - I know all that, but I like listening to you talking about Wrath anyway, however - PLEASE, DO MORE SOLASTA, I'm just about to come back to it since the new DLC dropped, I intend to do all the campaigns again and I had a lot of fun watching these Solasta vids + it gave me some ideas to make a party for all the campaigns

[@cRPGBro]

Fear not, for more Solasta content is coming soon!

[@ricardovillegas3465]

Hey there, I have an inquiry related to the topic of this video and another related to the game overall (playing on hard): 1) I just hit mythic lvl 4 on my first playthrough (so i dont know what to expect from the rest of the game) but im prepping for the next one with the "all companion classes" theme with optimal stacking buffs and such (divine hound, demonslayer, druid, gendarme, animal+plant eclesitheurge, skald+bismuth). - What mythic path would you recommend for such a playthrough? azata for the extra pet to go along with the theme? something else that can provide party wide buffs that stack on top of the skald and clerics buffs? 2) Is there any way to make "extra damage" such as precision strike or regular elemental damage on weapons work? - Both of them are eaten by the DR which is never lower than 10 on 99% of the enemies, making the feat and the enhancements useless (without investing on ascended eelement or elemental barrage) - Even is my weapons can overcome the DR (good align, cold iron, etc) the "extra damage" doesnt not overcome the DR along with the regular hit. - I was play testing it and pets with precision strike can apply the damage ignoring the DR, while the main characters precision strike gets eaten by the DR, do you know if this is a bug? Not sure if your memory is still fresh, since it has been a while for this game, but thanks anyway for any and all comentary you can provide!

[@cRPGBro]

Hi there! 1. For the best buffs, I would recommend Merged Angel, so Angel with any full Divine Caster meaning Druid, Oracle, Shaman and Cleric are all viable targets. Cleric also has the addition of Domain Powers for truly ultimate buffs. If you don't want Angel, Aeon, Azata and Lich (Witch, Wizard, Arcanist, Sorcerer) can also work for great buffs. Azata does have the advatange of Aivu for an extra pet, but Lich has the unique Skeleton companion as well. 2. There is! The Bane of Spirit Ring converts ALL weapon damage into irresistible Force type, so it's amazing for elemental damage + other low sources of extra damage.

[@TheJinnobi]

I love your videos. The only thing I kind of disagree with is that Lich --> Legend > True Undead Lich There are huge advantages to Legend when it comes to melee (Vampiric Blade). However, a full caster spec probably benefits from staying full Lich, and can absolutely trivialize encounters all the way through Unfair. For example, a full Lich has free Deadly Magic with a Phylactery (second life + 4th Lich feat), Full Lich has Absolute Death - when combined with Rod of Quickened Casting for a swiftcasted Corrupt Magic, you can just go Corrupt Magic --> Absolute Death and kill any boss before they can act (assuming you went Divination specialization + mythic initiative for huge initiative). Honestly the power gap is so small between full caster Lich, full Gish Lich, and Merged Lich Legend that I'd personally rate them the same. The only more powerful Mythic class than Lich is Angel, because the game is full of Demons. And even then, it's close between Angel and Lich too.

[@Adyen11234]

Do you still get no further caster levels even with classes like Arcane Trickster or Mystic Theurge when leveling them up with the Legend Mythic?

[@cRPGBro]

It's my understanding that you don't unless you get them BEFORE becoming a Legend, there apppears to be some jank/bug with it.

[@Adyen11234]

@@cRPGBro Huh. Then would it be possible to take 10 levels in either classes, then in Legend continue to take the 10+ levels in the base class(es) to increase it?

[@adamskeans2515]

question, if you use Knowledge Religion 2 and get the Animal domain, is your pets level scaled to your mythic rank, your actual level or what?

[@cRPGBro]

I believe they should scale to your level -3 just like the normal Animal Domain, but before it used to be bugged so they would fully scale to your level.

[@adamskeans2515]

@@cRPGBro thank you so much, so even if you multiclass, it'll be your total level-3?

[@awesome27677]

People really hated the dragon path, with good reason. Good video.

[@cRPGBro]

The "fetch" quest is the worst part to me, hah.

[@awesome27677]

@cRPGBro nah, the dragon form being so weak is a slap in the face. Not to mention, its storyline is so weak mechanically and narratives. It just falls short in almost all areas. I love dragons in games, this was just tragic.

[@lewistac6108]

It hurts figuring out I've made a bad gold dragon build and it wasn't the best option to begin with ...

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Demon with Kinetisist sounded the most busted of them all, why was that not SSS? :D

[@talhazubayurulislam9599]

Have you thought about doing maybe modded builds for wotr?

[@cRPGBro]

It's been on my mind for a while, as I've already done most non modded content anyways!

[@matheusmterra]

Coming back from BG3 to revisit Pathfinder made me appreciate so much the fact Pathfinder allows you to reach lvl 20 plus the mythic levels which basically turn you into a living god. I wish BG3 would reach these heights of power, it's my only real gripe with that game, but because of that I have to say I prefer Pathfinder as a CRPG.

[@cRPGBro]

I'd really like if BG3 let you at least level from 12 to 20 indeed!

[@matheusmterra]

@@cRPGBro can you imagine the insanity? Lvl 20 Wizard, with all the good features you only get past lvl 13, you create a Simulacrum and break the game. That's what I live for!

[@brago900]

In my eyes BG3 will remain incomplete as long as it remains locked at level 12. Anyway, the game is going to have DLC/expansion no matter how much they didn't want to openly confirm it. Many things have been left out of the game both in levels and class specializations, too many to seriously think that they do not already have a future expansion/DLC in mind.

[@Toxickys]

@@brago900 Didn't aged well : /

[@JJEMTT]

Ranking this way is kind of awkward, for example, Aeon isn't good early and is more of a late-game Mythic path but is excluded from the late-game Mythic path ranking because it's accessed early? Idno, think you should've considered ALL Mythic Paths for the late-game Mythic Power ranking (excluding the default late-game paths from the early-game rankings makes sense though), also would've been good to hear your opinion on late-game ranking for Angel/Lich/Trickster compared to the other late-game Mythic paths for example. But yeah, I get there's a lot to cover in general.

[@cRPGBro]

I prefer to do it based on early game prowess because by the late game, well... pretty much everything is at their full power already, and usually what's really good (like Demon's potential for massive burst damage) is also overkill.

[@JJEMTT]

@@cRPGBro Fair point. Thank you for the videos man. 👍

[@notalefty999]

Kineticists also make fantastic swarms that walk. Low gear dependence, no reliance on self buffs (allowing for the completely broken combo of magic nullifcation and rank 9 swam immunities). Obviously start as trickster. Whilst tedious, stacking deadly earths, clouds and walls with 3 clones will destroy absolutely everything if you take fire composite blasts to deal with incorporeal enemies (earth, fire and water will allow fire composite blasts for all 3 infusions). Usually, just meleeing with fire kinetic blade kills everything very efficiently. It should be noted, physical kinetic blasts specifically ignore swarm immunities, so friendly fire is an issue.

[@kbab679]

The merged/unmerged spellbook power gap is probably the wonkiest part of this game. The fact that a paladin angel is worse than a melee oracle makes me want to go to Owlcat's studio.

[@cRPGBro]

The power difference is indeed massive especially during Act 3!

[@feanorgalahad900]

Out of curiosity, what tier do you think Legend would be in?

[@cRPGBro]

I cover it right at 32:18

[@feanorgalahad900]

@@cRPGBro oh i miss that idk how, thx

[@leninthebeaniesouhacker.2459]

still waiting for phantasmal mage and student of stone builds.

[@gembul11]

Based on the story of each Mythic path, which was the best according to you?

[@cRPGBro]

I think Angel has overall the best Story Content, while Azata has the most unique side events/dialogue.

[@gembul11]

@@cRPGBro Can we play as a demon or lich as anti hero? I don't want to kill everyone thoo.

[@cRPGBro]

@@gembul11 Yes, although others will still treat you as evil etc., not so much for Demon amusingly enough. You don't actually have to kill everyone on both Paths, only if you chose to do so.

[@brago900]

It's an RPG, everything is interesting if you role it properly. For example, if you play demon you have to constantly deal with demonic rage. What happens if you add to this playing a barbarian or a sifter rageshaper? This way you can justify that your character is constantly losing control due to demonic rage and that this takes its toll on him. My first game was with demon and I was aiming to be good or at least as good as you can be along that path and... spoiler. Things happen when one has to impose respect among demons XD

[@notalefty999]

Gold dragon form is actually fairly good for a shifter.

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, but that leaves another bad taste... the fact the DRAGON SHIFTER does NOT get the ultimate dragon form by default!

[@Leonion6]

9:50 - no they don't, at least on unfair they respawn with core stats or smth like that and are almost utterly useless, unless it's PD-like boss that you've resurrected, but you usually find those in the end of a dungeon when it's all over already. 29:10 - obsolete. It was heavily nerfed. 41:20 - I think I've heard people say that conversion to holy ruins all damage die bonuses, like dragon bloodlines and stuff like that, so if it's true, it's actually detrimental to overall damage output.

[@cRPGBro]

By virtue of lasting forever (on the same map anyways) You can rest and easily buff the reanimated minions as a Lich, which I find really helps with their potential. Especially considering merged Lich gets Negative Eruption as early as Chapter 3. As far as Perfect Form, at first I thought the nerf was mostly related to it not working on the Aeon MC anymore, but sadly as you've said it appears they heavily nerfed it not to count buffs, which makes it rather useless indeed.

[@Leonion6]

@@cRPGBro , it's not really useless, it's a still a lot of extra stats for builds that benefit from multiple attributes (like sword saint with scaled fist & pally dip, who can also make it last 24h), especially in DLC3 standalone. But yeah, compared to its old effect, the new one is pretty sad.

[@CptnAlatriste]

Thanks for the video! I was thinking to take Gold Dragon mythic path (I have mutation Warrior) but now that I saw the video I think I will go to A Legend, how easy is to go to level 40? Or is it automatically when you get legend mythic path? Which second class would be appropiate to mix with 20 levels of mutation warrior?

[@cRPGBro]

40 is very fast for Legend! You immediately jump from ~18 to 35 once you become Legend, the remaining levels are fast as you get a boost to XP gained. 20 Mutation Warrior & 20 Demonslayer Ranger is my favorite Legend combo, I have many builds with it 😃

[@irregularsloth214]

Do you have a merged legend build guide?

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, my Crusader Paladin Angel Legend here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmqVpp9riL58hck

[@irregularsloth214]

Thank you! I haven't played in months and now im about to play it all day. Love your videos btw your awesome 👌

[@garthmarenghi9040]

IMO Aeon should be lower for its weak MR 3 and 4 in Act 3 and first half of Act 4. Even Unmerged Angel with Guide the Faithful and Halo gives better AB and AC to the party at MR 4 and 5, and Aeon Bane doesn't stack with Crusader's Edge, which should always be on. At MR 6, Aeon becomes better with its greater dispel bane and multiple gazes, but that's a long time to wait.

[@cRPGBro]

Aeon is mostly there because at least the Attack Gaze is party wide and debuffs enemies, and while the normal Bane is nowhere near as strong as Improved, the ability to dispel one enemy buff per attack (especially when you consider AoOs) can be quite the handy tool to have, especially against enemies like Playful Darkness.

[@scanix100]

It is not true that you get higher CL than 20 as a Legend, if you combine for example Arcane Trickster and Loremaster, your CL will be 28, but you have to have at least 2 levels in both prestige classes before reaching level 20 with main caster class, sadly all extra caster levels above CL 28 are vasted, even if you take more levels in prestige classes, it does not increase CL past 28, but it is at least competitive with classical merged mythic path especially with suistained mythic spells, but you are right that going martial is the best way for the Legend.

[@cRPGBro]

I still don't understand why they decided to go with that limitation of needing the levels BEFORE going Legend.

[@scanix100]

@@cRPGBro I don't understand that as well, but I think it is kind of a bug, they wanted probably to limit CL for the Legend in general, but with prestige classes it bugged out to some weird CL limitation.

[@NephilimHunter1959]

I'd be interested in your opinion on how each path feels in terms of story and roleplaying as well as your favourite companions in terms of story and personality. I've got a 240hrs in the game but have yet to complete a run mainly because by Act 3 i honestly start to get bored

[@cRPGBro]

Angel definitely has most unique story content. Azata feels like the second best to me, as you get a lot of Azata Court events and Aivu has plenty of dialogue even in sidequests (as opposed to the always silent Lich companions) Besides that, I'd say Demon also has some unique content, especially during Chapter 4. The other Mythics don't really compare as far as extra story, especially Late Game Mythics. For companions I suppose it's very subjetive, but I really like Camellia, Regill & Daeran. Nenio can be amusing too if you fancy her sense of humor.

[@kylegivens3120]

It's honestly odd how the Demon mythic path's power feels a little downplayed considering how powerful the Demons we fight are.

[@cRPGBro]

it's mostly due to the rage uses/day limitation, but it's certainly the path with highest cheese potential for damage!

[@kylegivens3120]

@@cRPGBro If Demonic Rage was infinite it'd definitely be perhaps the most powerful.

[@Nerazmus]

That's because you actually need to know what you are doing and how to use the bonuses. It's not as braindead as angel where big damage button go brrr haha. me stronk.

[@Haiphong778]

Is it really though? I mean by Mythic Rank 10 you can fairly easily solo a Belor or other powerful demons. It seems right to me, getting to hulk out and smash everything.

[@kylegivens3120]

@@Haiphong778 Yes, but why is the Demonic Rage limited? And why can't we do more with our Demonic power? Why is the Spellbook so paltry? It really does feel downplayed when you consider those questions.

[@Wolfun1t]

Oh god my first playthrough is a longbow ranger azata. Where would that be, D-? :

[@cRPGBro]

Well... it wouldn't really be optimal, but certainly still viable enough! Ranged Azata has the downside that the special abilities from Incredible Might won't really proc well, and they're based on STR too. But at least you can still get the +10-20 Morale to DMG & ATK.

[@Wolfun1t]

@@cRPGBro Haha it's ok, I have no regrets! Aivu alone makes the path A tier.

[@JWSoul]

Aeon path is bugged. Chapter 4 onwards when you meet the lord of that realm , she asks you to judge 3 people that quest can bug out and did for me preventing me being able to continue as an Aeon.

[@sametekiz3709]

F

[@neiljopling4693]

Swarm Kineticist can play Pong with pushing walls.

[@cRPGBro]

3-6 Kineticist at late game really is crazy!

[@fitzviandraduivenab2790]

33:17 Mf really brought a mounted LMG to medieval combat 😂

[@vladimirtchuiev2218]

So... going Vivisectionist Azata on Unfair is not a good idea?....

[@cRPGBro]

I wouldn't recommend it, not that it's not viable, but certainly wouldn't be a great experience for Unfair like merged Angel or Lich.

[@vladimirtchuiev2218]

@@cRPGBro but aren't blaster casters on unfair not as good as going outflank with AoO?

[@cRPGBro]

@@vladimirtchuiev2218 In a nutshell, yes. But merged Angel and Lich are still amazing for pretty much anything, including Unfair, due to their massive power level boost right at Chapter 3.

[@lieteller3091]

Why melee Azata D+? Aivu makes any Azata at least A.

[@cRPGBro]

Mostly because Azata doesn't have as much support for Melee when compared to Casters (Favorable + Zippy Magic), also when compared to other Mythics like Demon which can enhance both sides just fine. Aivu is great fun, but you can always just ride another pet or Bismuth in battle.

[@bofad6074]

Azata is SSS+ for story alone, in my heart! (also I made an eldrich scion build with azata and it actually worked surprisingly well, good Attack bonus + zippy magic on chain lightning was awesome) Crpg bro needs to go into this kind of detail on as many crpgs as possible

[@cRPGBro]

Azata was also one of my favorites story wise due to all the unique content! And yep, I plan on covering more cRPGs too.

[@thywill828]

@cRP Bro I can't find anything on summon creatures. Please do a teir guide on summons.

[@cRPGBro]

Hi there! I have two Summoner Guides here: Aeon Summoner: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGOQmoluZt-KndE Azata Nature Summoner: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJLWqHiFlrWsaKs

[@tsulkalu4589]

Bit sad that No merged Angel is so low. Paladins are shafted, because cannot merge, and Angel is one thematic path for them.

[@cRPGBro]

Sadly, it's true. Not that they aren't viable, but the Merging Mechanics are really OP.

[@eduardofilippi7698]

Valeu!

[@cRPGBro]

Obrigado pelo comentário e pela doação 😁

[@SirCanuckelhead]

SSS tier creator! Almost knocked down a tier for the increased restartitist gamers experience while watching bro vids.

[@cRPGBro]

Thanks, mate! Restartitis can really hit hard, no?

[@SirCanuckelhead]

@@cRPGBro I can feel the itch starting. I finally started poe2d, I should have started this years ago such a good game. I was rather lucky in that I wanted to try the cipher class as I love magic casters, which turns out to be your only build for that game. Trying potd for my first go and I just left the first island, your build is workin like a charm. but this damn itch, I have not tried swarm that walks....

[@Alister222222]

My personal criterion for a strong mythic, is highest potential power, regardless of whether that comes early or late. The hardest fights are those in the late game, and if I become OP late game, I am ok with being mediocre for the early and middle games. This makes Aeon S-tier (mechanically, although the RP is really cringe IMO), as 24h Perfect Form is so broken and abusable. My Aeon run was as a Divine Hunter, who would set his celestial-template pet's stats to 80+ for unbeatable AC and boss-killing smites. Trickster to Legend is my other S-tier, but mileage totally varies depending on your Legend build. It also depends on building around powerful items and so on, so definitely not going to be OP unless you know the game well. The floor may be low, but the fact that it has such a high ceiling makes it a top tier path for me.

[@cRPGBro]

I prefer early game power, mostly because of how long Wrath, and by default the game tends to become easier as you level up and get more powerful gear. So by end game, pretty much everyone is already at their full power anyways.

[@MuppetLord1]

Demon path is SSS+ just for the fact that its the most fun path. ;P

[@cRPGBro]

It definitely has some nice unique events!

[@fearrection4465]

15th like and 162 view.

[@cRPGBro]

Improved Initiative!

[@k417njbka7]

start answering comments

[@cRPGBro]

I try my best at it, but sometimes I end up missing a few.

[@alex-uw4mm]

really disgusting part about cleric and wizard, both get the ability to recharge a spell slot of their choice... even level 10. also wizard has an archtype which can use that ability multiple times. the cleric archtype that can do that won't get armor prof. , so you are kind of a divine glas cannon

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, casters have always been great, but merging takes that to a whole other level!

[@cadis4257]

Sucks aeon to devil is so terrible. What a shame because it is roleplay wise the best

[@cRPGBro]

Indeed, it doesn't make much sense for Azata meanwhile.

[@cadis4257]

@@cRPGBro yeah. Azata to devil thematically doesn't make sense

[@fitzviandraduivenab2790]

​@@cRPGBroStill weird that Angel -> Devil doesnt exist yet there's an Azata -> Devil transition

[@fuzzyfailure2691]

‘Melee Azata d+’ *cries in the melee azata run I just did thinking it was really strong*

[@someother5512]

My own rating is not early game, but how viable the mythic path is for late game bosses and for late game hard mobs and how many saves/loads it takes to do them. For example one can cruise a lot of the content with a Trickster high critical build but then one gets to Areelu Vorlesh and the critical immunity and 50% miss chance makes this much harder than say a Demon or Aeon mythic than can boost Weird one shot kills. This being the case I rate both Demon and Aeon as an S and Trickster a B, Angel is still top tier because those justice bolts work on everything

[@cRPGBro]

Don't forget Trickster can cheese Areelu with Trickery II!

[@Nerazmus]

I don't understand. In the intro, you said you'd be ranking the paths based on early game power. But then you go onto talking about merged mythic casters who don't kick in until late game. And the tierlist itself is terrible. Regardles if we are talking bout early game or late game. It is very obvious you don't have much experience with certain paths.

[@cRPGBro]

Merged Mythics are already at close to full power as early as Chapter 3 - you can't really go much lower than that considering it's the first Chapter where you actually get your true Mythic Abilities.

[@leathermage]

Another great mind who probably played until act 3 at max... Read your comment and try to comprehend that exact opposite of that is true. This is how far from truth your opinion is.

[@Nerazmus]

@@leathermage Oi. Don't hate on him. He clearly finished the game. He even played footage from Threshold in this video about early game power for some reason. Yeah, he is wrong about when mythic paths are close to full power, but that is okay. Maybe he just means something else than most people mean by that phrase.

[@WillGlacier]

Me playing An Aeon into Devil thinking this is really strong - clueless : )

[@michimatsch5862]

All mythic paths are strong but some are stronger.

[@cRPGBro]

Well, at least by that point you'll also have Greater Bane which by itself trivializes the game!

[@WillGlacier]

@@cRPGBro Yeah and tbh it's not like I'm playing the meta at hardest difficulty. I mean my class is dark elementalist Kineticist Aeon - Devil, lol

[@KimmoKM]

The game suffers from reverse difficulty scaling. Supposing you are making good build choices within the constraint of playing a weak mythic path, if you got past the water elemental in the tutorial dungeon, plagued smilodons/gargoyle cave in act 2, or playful darkness in act 3, you shouldn't have trouble getting past whatever the game throws at you, even as aeon devil.

[@notalefty999]

I can find little fault with this ranking, particularly weighting early game power. Merged casters are way stronger than anything else in chapter 3, though trickster feats are a large power spike in chapter 3 also. I agree Lich powers and companion offers way more to a non merged character than sword of heaven and halo. Whilst angle buffs are very powerful, its level 6+, which is very late chapter 4 for non merged, whereas vampiric blade is a fantastic buff from early chapter 3. But for merged casters, lich has the problem that you get nowhere near a full undead party in chapter 3 and Staunton starts so bad as to be barely usable until several levels of picking useful feats. Consequently, all your level 7 spell slots go on blessing of undeath (which really ought to be an AOE buff) if you want to get mileage out of negative energy burst and restore undead, which in turn disables a lot of your divine caster's power. A major problem with the power rankings is the mythic rank progression. I have said before, but locking what are very powerful features to 2 single battles in the game is absurd and completely ruins non caster Devils (demonic rage in particular could open up some great options), and rank 6+ are functionally chapter 5 only, even if 2 ranks are given at the very end of chapter 4. Your 2nd, 3rd and 4th superpower, your 2nd improved mythic trick and 1st greater mythic trick, 2nd gaze, perpetual gaze, improved and greater Aeon's bane and many of the most powerful mythic spells are the last few hours of chapter 4 and chapter 5 only. Even sillier, most of these features are gained in 3-4 hours for many mythic paths (some take longer to get rank 9 than others). This is also in no small part why non merged Angels are so bad. Demons actually fair pretty well, with two minor aspects and a greater aspect at level 5, +2 mythic stat bonuses from greater aspects. As you mention, kalavakus on its own can be transformational to the right build. Regarding perception 2, I wish this wasn't so dominant for trickster, particularly given how late your other improved mythic tricks are. Also, costing you 3-4 feats for every party member is very limiting and if you dont do level resets, requires you to take it at rank 4 in order to have enough feats remaining. Some mythic tricks need a buff certainly, but mainly, perception needs rebalancing. I would much prefer it if just gave +1 to threat range and multiplier and the completely normal spell feat for free. It would tone it down and not massively restrict feat selection, and would be much more reasonable to take later on. Later on, incredible might with ring of triumphant advance and believe in yourself is a really nice bonus for melee characters and not circumvented by the admittedly very rare fortification effects, unlike trickster.

[@hugofreitas6799]

Angel is so busted that makes the game too easy and removes the joy of it

[@jimmydesouza4375]

You ranked Lich SS. A mythic path designed entirely around raising your caster level and casting damage spells that can't be improved by the damage increasing metamagics, or in other words doing the weakest possible damage. Sorry but no. Also you say that repurposed enemies have the same stats as the ones you killed. That isn't true. They lose all difficulty based adjustments and many other buffs when they're repurposed. This normally equates to a 10-20 reduction in AB. It might have actually been a useful spell if they really were as powerful as the actual enemies you kill but then that'd make the Lich not shit and we can't have that.

[@leathermage]

Metamagic doesnt work on lich spells? Have you even played this game? Well, everyone has the right to have their own opinion, even if they are wrong...

[@jimmydesouza4375]

@@leathermage Yes you are free to be wrong. Anyway no it doesn't. They don't roll dice, they're just X per level, so any spell that improves dice rolls or gives you an increase to dice rolls doesn't work on them (or shouldn't anyway. With this game being a mess who knows). The metamagics effect the bone explosion or whatever they're called line of spells, but those are only d6's so weak. Additionally an extra problem on top of this is that the demon mythic does the "blaster caster" thing better in every way. They have a free quicken that stacks with quicken, a free bolster that stacks with bolster, etc.

[@cRPGBro]

Merged Lich still has the amazing spellcasting boost, the almost limitless pool of Temporary HP, great defenses, fun summons and invulnerability. I realize that Negative Eruption is static damage, but Feast of Blood and Exsanquinate can be further boosted by metamagic. Sure, their damage is weaker than the Angel spells, but that's why I ranked it lower than Angel. Even if Negative Eruption will do half the damage of Angel spells, it's still nice that it will quite simply heal your whole party to full at the same time, on every cast.

[@jimmydesouza4375]

@@cRPGBro It's not that they're weaker than angel spells. They're weaker than basically everything. It's a mythic focused on damage output that doesn't output damage. The huge temp HP pool is fine, but hitpoints don't matter in this game, it's all about damage output, CC and saves. Doesn't matter what your hitpoint total is if you get CCed you're going to die.

[@DJ-yo9oi]

@@jimmydesouza4375 While I also think Lich is a bit overrated as a caster, because Chain Lightning is uncapped and they have access to Eclipse Chill, they still have good damage potential. Empowered/Bolstered Feast of Bloods are also solid damage.

[@GreenNovis]

Pureclass elitist disapprooves of those 1 level dips

[@black_nodius8177]

1 level dips are cringe

[@cRPGBro]

To be fair, I don't want them necessary unless you want to really min max AC or for Blaster Casters to stack damage (which they need unlike CC casters that have it all for free).

[@sametekiz3709]

golden dragon being so weak is sad

[@cRPGBro]

Yep, at least the special Gold Dragon form could use a power boost.

[@LungDrago]

I'm surprised Gold Dragon hasn't been reworked yet. People bring up it's problems in mythic discussions all the time yet somehow the devs seem to think it's fine. :(

[@marcuskane1040]

All of them are boring and worthless, just like this beyond mediocre game in general 💀💀💀💀

[@lmCobraTate]

weird of you to be watching vids on it then, get a life