Phase 4 Tier List (Tank, Healer, & DPS) | WoW Season of Discovery

[@xJurpi]

All Specs are very viable at the moment! In my opinion Arcane Mage, Balance Druid & Elemental Shaman are the only specs that need some love Macros & Weak Auras: discord.gg/RURtDRC98y

[@Promatheos]

Not sure why you made a tier list video that included tanks if you had literally no idea and just shuffled them around…

[@xJurpi]

I cut out most of the pros and cons discussion, it just took way too much of the video comparing all the utility each spec brings. All tanks are very viable at the moment, DPS wise the order is very much the same. You could swap lock and pally dps wise but pally brings more utility so i left them in S. Only thing I would actually change is druid to A or even S tier. They are without a doubt the most sought after off tank, having one of the highest DPS specs in the game makes them arguably the best off tank.

[@Farmer_Farms]

Mage healers will be cracked. Their head rune now allows them to put mana shield and fire ward on other people and increased by 100%. If this doubles the rank 10 gloves every single time they put it on a target. It will absorb an extra 560 damage for free.

[@xJurpi]

They could be really good honestly, but with disc priest being able to shield the raid i dont know how impactful this will be

[@Maxvla]

Mage healer does about 30% of top dps while healing as much as a normal healer that does little to no dps. Definitely overpowered and at least an A if not S.

[@conjoy]

It looks like all you have done is read a few numbers off the PTR. Warrior sims are showing them doing over 4k dps, they are gonna be top dog by the end of the phase. Warlocks, Enhance Shaman and Fire Mages will all, also scale well with gear and drift to the top. As mentioned in my other post, Rogues are at their zenith with T0.5, so pre-raid is gonna be their high water mark, with everyone else that scales better catching them as other gear catches up.

[@josephkaufman114]

To be fair every phase in season discovery has started off with warriors being dog water but by the end they're on top. Another PTR had world buffs but it was still really small it's hard to sample size. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying this tier list is probably correct from the information that he had to go on

[@xJurpi]

sims don't accurately reflect what kind of DPS you'll see on average. I'm sure Ahl will do what he does best and get rank 1 on all fights some how lol

[@conjoy]

Did you read the Warlock tank new runes? Easily BiS tank with 60%+ spell damage reduction and access DM for a flat 60 all spell resists. Also, the reason Rogues are popping so hard is that their t0.5 which is all that's available on PTR is equivalent to AQ gear, which its not for any other class.

[@xJurpi]

right I had to take that into consideration. I think that locks can easily push their way into S tier this phase, just from first glance rogue's are going to be nuts the first couple of weeks

[@Maxvla]

Destruction support warlock (with curse of reck supplying mark of chaos as well as demonic pact) is probably the single highest dps contributor in the raid. Solid personal damage, and increasing raid damage by 10% both physical (CoR) and magical (MoC) plus adding 100-120 spell power for other casters and healers as well as melee that benefit. Probably should be in S tier. Affliction is actually the highest personal dps warlock spec, but can't bring the support runes without gutting personal dps. I'd rank them at low A tier until we get reliable logs.

[@rumbleshakes]

I primarily did PvP: HPriest is better for healing with anyone other than 1 other caster for PI. RDruid is going to be insane with anyone. Allowing to cast Wrath in Tree Form and even after the Wild Growth nerfs it's still a buff overall in Tree. Tree also gives insane mana regeneration and doubles your armor. RSham sucks. Arcane sucks. IDK about HPal. Rogue, Mage, and Hunter will remain the kings with maybe Feral. Hunter does that insane aimed shot burst outta no where. Rogues can kill someone within their stun. And Frost Mage can control enemies a lot and blinking all over the place. Feral just has great tier set and their runes are big compared to the others--just the system behind Feral isn't the best.

[@Burlehmangus]

I’m furious about melee hunter right now. In original classic, my memeing as a melee spellpower hunter had less of a margin between me and the top dps than the margin between a blizzard build melee hunter and the top specs in sod. Very sad

[@xJurpi]

The devs definitely dropped the ball on some of the meme specs. I mean they completely ditched 2H enhance shamans

[@quebecoi1992]

rogue is by far the worst tank atm its laughable with all the nerfs also u cant tank strat or scholo sinc emobs are imune to bleed and some to poisons

[@xJurpi]

I had no idea about that, I figured they were getting rid of all immunities

[@ChristopherHarrisM]

yea I struggle with aoe pulls.. its very gear dependant so I would just rock dps till u get your gear online.. also single target threat suffers against anyone better geared than you unlike my pally who could be under geared and have no issues what so ever with threat..

[@xJurpi]

@@ChristopherHarrisM Yeah rogue doesnt have any threat modifiers like pally or shaman has. but surely the aoe thing is bugged. Looking back at this list i'd probably move rogue to A & lock to S

[@quebecoi1992]

@@xJurpi you can move rogue to E until they get tier 1 bonus

[@erawwwww]

What about warrior now?

[@madokaonline]

does arcane mage even exist as dps? I'm so sad. My favorite spec is now a healer spec /cry

[@xJurpi]

they are just treating the spec as a healing spec and if they were to buff the damage the healing would be too crazy..

[@derace1987]

i always see fire mages on top but how good and viable are they really in mc?

[@Farmer_Farms]

@@derace1987 keep an eye out for Momo’s video coming out soon. He will break down prebis and bis damage for all class/ specs. Currently PREBIS fire is doing around 3500 and bis around 3900-4k depending on fight length

[@derace1987]

@@Farmer_Farms well yes i get that but fire in mc? you basicly only spam frostfire bolt then?

[@Farmer_Farms]

@@derace1987 there is no fire immunity, so it doesn’t make a difference, Pyro will work just fine

[@vincentclaveau6846]

Balefire Bolt! Turns into the weakest enemy resist and benefith from many talent depending on the school. Smt like that. Biggest damage of the game at 9 stack

[@jawlty]

The Arcane disrespect😢 I heal every dungeon without any problems. Even UBRS with high peaks I solo heal as Arcane Mage. It's just not that easy to play.😊 And as a Healer I prefer Feral anyday! (Horde player)

[@ende666]

hunter SV+melee weave is WAY ahead of mm turret build

[@xJurpi]

logs were showing MM way ahead. maybe the spec detection is messed up, the same thing happen for mages playing frost last phase

[@Xeando]

Mage will be S-tier, just you watch

[@xJurpi]

what do you think about frost mages?

[@jesuslovesyou-matts]

I'm deleting my recently leveled 50 mage, then. I'm not worthy to play an S tier class.

[@xJurpi]

@@jesuslovesyou-matts lol why

[@jesuslovesyou-matts]

@@xJurpi because I suck at wow

[@xJurpi]

@@jesuslovesyou-matts never say that! you can always improve. There are so many great resources for this game to learn more and expand your game play

[@ashleyalderson4809]

Ele shaman tank is pure domination in pve

[@xJurpi]

Ohh i bet, the way PVP is tuned atm is just 1 shot city

[@vexial12]

@@xJurpiit’s like that in era too tho so it’s the classic way lol

[@drewlad3626]

Resto Druid is eating right now

[@xJurpi]

@@drewlad3626 tree form looking OP! it’s a shame blizzard gave priest and pally so much utility

[@aaakitsune]

Rogue tanks are not viable for dungeons with none of their AoE abilitys doing threat

[@xJurpi]

what really? that's gotta be a bug or something

[@herbertjager6409]

Did you forget holy Paladin?

[@xJurpi]

nope, S Tier is what I rated it

[@cnh7262]

Great video

[@xJurpi]

Thank you

[@JaredGofftheman]

Resto Druid is by far the best healer, this boy clueless

[@xJurpi]

Maybe last tier I'd agree they are the best, but disc priest shielding the whole raid is just OP in terms of raw HPS they might actually be the highest. but the utility a priest and pally bring are unmatched

[@JaredGofftheman]

@@xJurpi okay so first of all power word shield is very mana intensive. While powerful it is not a way to blanket whole raid consistently without going oom fast. Resto Druid is by far the most mana efficient with tree form, they have by far the best aoe heals and raw hps with efflo and wild growth. They have the best flash heal in the game with nourish gaining 50% crit, not to mention bringing innervate and battle rez. Priest is good but not on the level of Resto Druid. Holy paladin I don’t know how you think they are even close to r Druid. They can tank heal and literally nothing else. You can see it now in dungeon grinding Resto is the favored class not to mention still beating all other classes in ST

[@xJurpi]

@@JaredGofftheman I could argue that they should could go into the bottom of S tier in terms of HPS, Tree of life is going to be busted without a doubt. With Seal of Martyrdom/Sham Rage, Shadowfiend, & Dispersion Priest mana will be just fine. fights are going to be very short in MC most likely. It really comes down to the damage taken profile.. if there is only tank damage pally will just own because of beacon of light. not to mention their new concentrate heal

[@tingle6278]

Mage healers are sleeper op

[@xJurpi]

they just don't get a ton of utility. any fight that involves a ton of movement, they just get farmed by every other healer since they have 0 instant heal spells

[@tingle6278]

@@xJurpi does it change your view if we're only talking about Molten Core? There aren't too many mechanics that force movement for this tier. Same for BWL

[@xJurpi]

@@tingle6278 I'd argue that most bosses have atleast one thing you have to move from, however some have 0 movement. fear on mag/fire on the ground, rain of fire on Gehennas, knock back on garr (tanks), shazz teleport, Rag knock up. In BWL every healer can LOS the tank on Firemaw and heal the entire fight without getting debuff stacks. Meanwhile the mage healer will have to peak out to hit the boss and will have to drop debuff stacks

[@IamAliveTv]

Tank lock bis

[@xJurpi]

I feel like demo lock will move back into S tier as the phase goes on. especially for speed runs

[@johnnny5veeoxx]

Fire mage ain’t hitting sh*** in molten core so idk about that S

[@xJurpi]

Spell immunities are likely not going to be in the game. Blizzard sort of already confirmed this with making sure lock tanks can attack everything in MC

[@johnnny5veeoxx]

@@xJurpi oh, so fire spells hit fire lord boss normally xD makes sense, not

[@Fen3rbahce]

@@johnnny5veeoxxlmao

[@sgc2c2]

fire mage S tier in MOLTEN CORE. what a joke

[@xJurpi]

spell immunities are likely not going to be in the game. Blizzard sort of already confirmed this with making sure lock tanks can attack everything in MC