Phil Collins Face Value: Atlantic 75 vs. First Pressing

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[@Grooverski]

I’m extremely impressed with this reissue. I had some expectations but nothing close to what we’ve got.

[@74gwh]

I agree Michael, the Atlantic 75 of this is demo quality So many tracks sound amazing, the slight pause on If Leaving me is easy and the horns on Behind the Lines are amazing In The Air drums and bass wow!

[@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion]

For me, the Steely Dan UHQR Can’t Buy A Thrill was the biggest jump in sonic quality from the originals. But this one is a very close improvement given that it is a non-UHQR. The “discovery” you mention is so true as the LP came alive, especially the two instrumental tracks which I barely noticed before. Nice review Michael

[@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084]

Amazing how popular this album has proven to be. Great review. Danke.

[@thetrentmeister]

The way you speak about these records, makes them sound a lot better than they actually are. You’ve got a real talent for it, Michael. Love your channel mate.

[@rk41gator]

Perhaps your audio equipment needs an upgrade?

[@thetrentmeister]

@@rk41gator just my personal taste. Phil Collins isn’t an exciting artist to me. The actual sound of the record may be great, but it’s Phil Collins. ✌🏻

[@rk41gator]

@@thetrentmeister To each his own taste, but Collins' body of work is extraordinary. This very musical drumming alone is world-class.

[@thetrentmeister]

@@rk41gator I am aware brother. Peace and love. Enjoy. ☺️

[@thetrentmeister]

@@rk41gator my original point was that even records that to me aren’t that fantastic, Mike has a talent to make me want to get into it. His enthusiasm and the way he speaks makes me want to buy more records. 😂😂😂

[@owlnswan4016]

Michael, is the vintage copy you used here made from the mastering done at The Mastering Lab? Look for TML in the dead area. If not, what you have in your old copy is not what Phil Collins preferred at time of release. Back then, Phil had gotten back a few masterings of the album, including the UK version and was not happy. Phil, after noticing records of his own that sounded great were mastered at The Mastering Lab, brought the masters over there and once all was done, he was finally satisfied with the mastering of his great album.

[@audiotomb]

The words “Kills It” is way overused and is a disservice to comparing records More detailed, a modern vibrant forwardness It sounds very nice and you described some of those elements effectively If I was looking at albums I would feel most compelled to upgrade this would be low on the list Bought it and Mingus to check out the ATL 75 45 series early There are redeeming qualities of both pressings Hearing extra detail in an 80s sonic sheen studio pallet isn’t always necessarily a good thing Looking forward to Chad bringing on Selling England By The Pound in November Who knows - the blackcap barons might toss a coin to settle the score

[@benoitc.5400]

I prefer the original "mat" jacket then the "glossy" reissue. Can't wait to get my copy!

[@richarddixon7890]

Well, now I have to get it! I’m more excited to hear I missed again vs in the air….I have an OG Specialty press

[@oldschool1607]

Moin Michael, I‘m still impressed of the depth and the wideness of the sound stage. This 45rpm is a great reissue 👍

[@nigelgauntlett582]

The UK Townhouse pressing slays the Monarch ! But I haven’t compared to the 75th reissue! Stay tuned!

[@CANKRAFTWERK]

Please make a Video if you did a coparison

[@seansrecords]

the Town House is £6 in my local shop... and he has dozens of them, cant give them away. How the 75th is selling so many copies i will never know 😂

[@styles8007]

I received my copy a couple of days ago. I have to admit that it doesn't get much better than this recording of Phil Collins "Face Value." The sound is so much fuller. The clarity is truly amazing. I also ordered "Hello, I must be Going". I'm really looking forward to that album as well. Thanks for your input on the Atlantic 75th release of "Face Value."

[@johns126]

This is a great start for this series of reissues - if you are a Genesis fan, there is a lot to look forward to!

[@kley7043]

This was a Virgin UK release, if we are talking country of origin, so I'm unclear why you review an American 1st to the Atlantic75 edition. This was a UK production unless I am mistaken.

[@kyles7087]

Indeed you are mistaken. Many albums by UK artists were actually recorded in the US. Some of the work by UK bands such as Supertramp & The Police were also recorded in the US (LA usually), and Phil Collins’ Face Value as well.

[@kley7043]

Idk, 2 of the 3 studios where tracking took place were in the UK. The bigger question is: where was it subsequently mixed and mastered, and which master is considered the original. As you well know the first cutting was rejected, so I’m really not sure. Please let us know.

[@CANKRAFTWERK]

Very nice that the new Version makes so much Sens! Es ist toll wenn so eine Spezial Pressung wirklich so gut ist!

[@jonlevinson3000]

I’ve not listened to “Face Value” in a very long time and I’m surprised to see the predecessor “Duke” is not amongst the reissues.

[@bertbecker7532]

Guess which one sold more copies….

[@jonlevinson3000]

Hhmm I wonder… artistically one leads to the other, but doesn’t count for much I suppose

[@rk41gator]

Love this album.

[@liammolyneuxmusic]

Thanks for the comparison Michael. Although I would have preferred you had a UK TOWN HOUSE cut at your disposal . Dry mastering I love it . The AP looks a killer release both record & jacket. Can’t wait for mine 😊 Cheers Michael

[@Michael45RPM]

i was happy to get a very clean copy that fast :-)

[@liammolyneuxmusic]

@@Michael45RPM of course totally understand . Well done Thomas ✊

[@sabbathbloodysabbath3351]

I second that, that's the version I have

[@middleman9183]

To me, Phil Collins represents everything that was bad about music in the 80's 😂

[@debbiekelley7899]

You must be a Taylor swift fan

[@middleman9183]

@@debbiekelley7899 The Who?

[@patbarr1351]

*Face Value* is an '80's favorite of mine. I have an original on the Virgin label that I bought in 1980 and it's a good sounding record, but I always thought there should be more dynamics in it to fully flesh out the sound. I don't believe that's possible with a normal length LP at 33 & 1/3. Phil hits his drums very hard and Hugh Padgham captured it oh so well, but that's a difficult sound to preserve. I was disappointed by the Atlantic CD version as well, but Steve Hoffman's remaster on gold CD a few years ago really brought cuts like "Droned/Hand in Hand" & "I Missed Again" roaring to life. I reckon 45 RPM is the reason the new reissue sounds so good.

[@moodlefyful]

Picked up an original Virgin record label copy from 1981 during the weekend at a record fair.. near mint condition...fantastic...10 euro.

[@SPAZZOID100]

A very well mixed album. The cd issues were better up until now because the vinyl sides were too long on the original pressings. 2 discs @45RPM solved it. Finally!!!

[@richardegarr1441]

Fabulous!...Why against the US Atlantic?...not the UK Virgin? ...maybe that would be a good shootout too ...

[@deeee7833]

I have just received my copy of this masterpiece. They have sincerily tried to give us everything that we bargained for. My opinion, it is very dynamic. The percissionist that Phil is, comes better to expression. For some songs I need to adjust the volume, higher or lower. Other songs have a longer ending than the version of 1980. On record 1 you hear a piece of the beginning of the next song on side 2. In those sences I regard this also as a demo. I am happy to own this fresh master without loosing any content

[@tonynewman1694]

Mine arrives on Tuesday but got the uhqr ot the white stripes today 😁😁. Great video and honest opinion.

[@brianlewis5042]

I haven’t received my copy yet, but I am looking forward to hearing the differences between my original pressing and this 45rpm version. I can’t imagine how much open the Atlantic 75 release is going to be considering the OG is pretty open If it’s anything like AP’s Doors release then my ears are going to be in for a treat. Cheers

[@DanClapp]

I used to think I was an audiophile, but I realized I care much more about the music than the specific pressing or format. I'll get the best version that I can of the album I like and be happy with that. I just picked up the 2 Genesis Atlantic 75 45rpm that are available so far, not because they're audiophile-grade, but because I believe they are masterpieces and the Atlantic 75 45rpm are the best versions you can get right now. Can't wait for Yes - Close to the Edge, Fragile, Yes ST (gonna pass on 90125) as well as Genesis - Trick of the Tail, Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme. I'm just happy they exist, even if they are kind of expensive imo. Most albums I love most don't get that kind of treatment. Can't even imagine paying for a UHQR of an album that I didn't think was an absolute masterpiece. Anyway, that's just me. I still enjoy your take and your videos :D

[@Vinyl_Nordlicht]

Hallo , gerade ist meine Bestellung angekommen. Herzlichen Dank für den tollen Service . Und ich bin schon sehr gespannt wenn ich die Platte heute Abend auflege . Liebe Grüße aus dem Norden

[@pala23mj]

I am looking forward to getting this home and giving her a spin. I’ve never heard a pressing that I was particularly impressed with

[@JBLClassic]

I can imagine this one sounds great.

[@zundap100]

Thanks for the info Michael, I decided to stick with my European original.👍

[@TommyNuvinci]

Hallo Michael, zum Glück gab es in deinem Shop noch ein Exemplar dieses herausragend klingenden Albums. Besten Dank für die hervorragend verpackte Ware! Weißt du, ob es die Beilagen-Texte irgendwo auf einer Webseite oder als PDF gibt? Da mein Englisch nicht so gut ist, würde ich mir die Texte gerne übersetzen lassen. Viele Grüße Thomas

[@jeffl915]

I have the Simply Vinyl version of that record, and it sounds very good to my ears.

[@leefordham725]

A bit 'apples and oranges' this comparison. 45 vs 33 speed and not against a 1st press UK Virgin. Would be interesting to compare but maybe difficult to find clean.

[@paulaidenmusic]

I do really wish to see a comparison with the 2015 remaster that came out in 2016 cause that one sounds incredible! It sounded so much better than my original to my ears 👂

[@Darrin.Crawford]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[@s.t.e.r.e.o.]

and a comparison to the Digital clear vinyl version?

[@paulduggan5323]

But now sounds this sounds very encouraging. Any idea when you are sending copies out? Thanks Michael

[@ralphbrewster3241]

You can’t really screw this one up. It was recorded and mastered very well.

[@MarkBrydondrums85]

I have a uk first press I got for £1 in charity shop I wouldn’t pay any more then that for a Phil Collins record.!!

[@tweakerman]

There's also the 2016 release from Rhino!

[@pascalcollet3897]

Hi michael, i see one genesis on the shop, the others in backorder. Are you seeing a restock soon? By the way i sadly never received my replacement jacket for the damaged Amused to death

[@dubc4179]

I'd like to know how the audio quality of this pressing compares to the 2015 Abby Road remaster since that is the only other version readily available nowadays.

[@Yoh874]

The monarch pressing is a mix bag with Michael Reese and George Piros cuts. Phil Collins only approved the TML cut by Michael Reese. What I have heard and read is that the Townhouse cut is a copy cut and mastered differently compared to Michael Reese cut, which also was the master copied to other countries and mastering facilities in UK (which is why there also is a strawberry cut).

[@mpw116]

Michael, like one of your other viewers in stream who requested where you’re at with Vinyl Me Please, I would also like to know. Give us a video please!

[@kurjan1]

Thanks Michael. Hey, have you done a video on the MoFi Hotel California? Would love to hear your comments since there seems to be a bit of controversy surrounding it. On my system its fabulous, but a lot of people seem to be having bad experiences. Cheers.

[@jazzsounds1607]

To my ears this s the first bright one out of the better remastering since years and needs quite some EQ‘ing, then perfect.Details at the price of balance.

[@dennismeehan8189]

Is better sounding bass and lower frequency sounds in remasters vs original pressings a function of modern listening preferences? Meaning that strong bass is a more favorable sound now than when the original was produced such that ‘weaker’ bass in the original was deliberate.

[@gfy4476]

I’m curious as to why you didn’t obtain the British townhouse pressing to compare it with?

[@alexturk2383]

Will an Analogue Productions Reissue ever lose to an original pressing?

[@zundap100]

In my opinion, some of the Impulse originals sound maybe even better than the AP editions.

[@skipperhus7506]

Ob Eisbär oder Braunbär, Bär bleibt immer Bär...Hans de Beer

[@zundap100]

Michael, where are the new videos showing releases from VMP, Impex, MMJ, OJC, ..?

[@markwilding3828]

I am just cherry picking from the Atlantic 75 series. A difficult decision for me is whether to go for the Coltrane Favorite Things. On the one hand, It is in my favourite top 5 jazz albums. On the other hand, I already have the ORG Music 45rpm and the 60th anniversary mono/stereo AAA release. Hopefully you will help me decide. Giant Steps is a No-Brainer since it hasn't had anything approaching an audiophile release for a very long time unless you are prepared to lay out ERC level money.

[@jltambo99]

45 rpm vs. 33 rpm makes the difference and of course the original analog master vs. digital remaster

[@leonildosartori7973]

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[@thomasn9979]

Hi Michael, Hat du die Alice Cooper schon gehört? Ich hab sie bei dir bestellt und kann es kaum erwarten....😊 Grüße aus Bayern Tom

[@RFerreira2009]

Will this be available in 1 LP version too?

[@SPAZZOID100]

That would NOT be an improvement over the OG.

[@michaelseebald]

Hallo Michael, Hab mir in Deinem Shop der Atlantic 75 Version of Analog Production den Erstling von Phil Collins Face Value gekauft. Der Klang der Platte ist wirklich phänomenal, jedoch hat meine Pressung ein für diesen Aufwand in meinen Augen ein viel zu hohes Grundrauschen, was gerade in den ruhigeren Phasen der Platte doch sehr störend ist. Ich habe Sie, wie alle meine Platten natürlich vorher nochmals gereinigt, aber das Knistern in den ruhigeren Phasen ist wirklich nervend für solch eine Veröffentlichung Ich hoffe dass die übrigen Ausgaben der Atlantic 75 Series von der Pressqualität her mehr überzeugen. VG Michael Seebald

[@Michael45RPM]

hmmm das ist wirklich erstaunlich habe das noch nicht wahrgenommen oder gehört.

[@michaelseebald]

Vielleicht auch ein Pressfehler, aber ist schon ärgerlich, weil der Klang an sich ja so viel Punch besitzt und ansonsten absolut überzeugt

[@awrogers3013]

Less than six years ago could get original in is bargain bins

[@thomashertl3037]

Respecting your opinion and purpose, but spending 90 EUR for such overplayed music and since plenty of good enough sounding pressings are available either in the own collection or on the 2nd hand market or digital is a waste for me personally. That new Atlantic 45 rpm series impo is priced way too high for its content except for 1 or 2 Jazz titles, which may fill some gaps in the collection. Hopefully the pressing quality is 1st class vs. what I have experienced in the last months with QRP.

[@sugarbone-cage8497]

Not a great Phil Collins fan, but I bought it because on Face values only 3-4 songs are on the weaker side, so it is an ok album for me. Great sound on the 75 reissue I must say (hey and 88€ when I bought it at your shop), but the OG are not sooo far away imho. Gated Reverb on snare (bad bad digital, be aware) was invented by an accident during recording of drums for “Face values” by the way. After this, one had to accept in 90% of all pop & rock (incl hair metal) productions this sound signature from the 80ties (never liked it 😮). No offense, but your videos are trending into info commercials, which I understand of course.

[@manowire5403]

Peter Gabriel Intruder started Listen Back Gated Reverb

[@sugarbone-cage8497]

Aah interesting, I got my information from a recording magazin many years ago.

[@franksmusic2880]

The 45 pressings sound better to you because i think these records are compressed. I’m also not a fan of two or three songs a side. The original always sounded wonderful and if you have a nice clean pressing, there’s no need for this. Sorry Michael to be fare with you, I love original pressings, I’m just not a fan of these new reissues and especially these records pressed on a 45 format.

[@thomashertl3037]

… my words. I guess the US market will absorb these partially also due to the lower price. I guess the Europeans may be a bit more considerate and pull out their OG or early pressings again or find good quality records in the 2nd hand market for way less money. Sorry, but impo AS is trying to milk a currently recessing market. There are far better ever increasing record buying choices out there.

[@robertbyington7715]

These 45 RPM are the complete OPPOSITE of compressed you have TWO albums with the same number of songs as ONE second Bellman and Grundman are two of the BEST sound engineers in the world. PERIOD so I think you need to re listen to the 45 because your not hearing the difference. If you doubt what I say then listen to Grundmans reissue of Licomotive Breathe and compare it to ANY other pressing and if you think it’s not better than your system needs upgrading

[@91pastor]

Michael, I have three pressings of Face Value. Two are US pressings and one UK. One of the US pressings GP@AT (cut by George Piros at Atlantic), the other US pressing has TML-M (cut by Doug Sax at The Mastering Lab). The UK pressing has TML-M as well. Can you confirm which US mastering you have, please! I agree 45rpm LPs can sound fantastic, but for me you lose the flow of the music as an entity... the way the artist wanted it to be heard.❤

[@MartinKausRS]

it`s a pity that there is only one good song on it.

[@trupax2210]

Great video, the only problem is that there is no reason why anyone should care too much about a Phil Collins album.

[@debbiekelley7899]

Stupid comment

[@rongreen1538]

It’s a pity it’s such a terrible record from a terrible artist, sorry it’s true but I couldn’t resist. Thank you for taking the time to make this video anyway, much appreciated.

[@debbiekelley7899]

Terrible artist, you must be a Taylor swift fan