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[@PhilipDeFranco]

I'm very interested to see how these Melanie Martinez allegations change things. Just seeing how it's being covered already is eye-opening, to say the least. Let me know your thoughts down below.

[@angelgalvez1081]

Philip DeFranco 1st

[@anamericancelt6534]

What is a thomas and creek fire?

[@katevielle4263]

Philip DeFranco Sexual assault is sexual assault. In my eyes, be it a man or woman being the monster who commits the terrible act should be held accountable. Whether in public opinion, court of law, etc. They violated someone horribly, and someone like that should be condemned!

[@CharlieDaClown]

I love melanie's music and her voice. it may be shitty but her actions don't change the fact that i find her music good but i would be less likely to go to a meet and greet.

[@wsehn2083]

@ 1:53 "I bed you to imagine".... wow. Poor taste typo or what?!

[@breezeunderhill8361]

Rape is Rape. Whether it's man-on-man, woman-on-man, man-on-woman, or woman-on-woman. I don't necessarily believe in trial by public opinion, since it's word-vs-word, but her words should be taken seriously & action should be taken.

[@virgilbarrios3174]

I agree with you.

[@BE_-lb6ul]

Breeze Underhill THANK YOU! This is getting ridiculous

[@rockinfluff3295]

Do beastiality count as rape?

[@breezeunderhill8361]

aquamsheep 24 Why is this even a question?

[@rockinfluff3295]

Breeze Underhill because u mainly said it about humans, why not other creatures

[@anilate]

Someone close to me was once falsely accused of rape. Ever since then, I have always approached allegations like this with skepticism. I don't know who to be believe anymore. It's sad that people lie about these things. Rape and molestation are very serious claims. I just hope the truth gets revealed and the true guilty party is outed.

[@slimkt]

I am always skeptical of accusations (whether against men or women) until evidence is provided, multiple accusers make similar claims, or the accused confesses. However, if Melanie did what Timothy alleged, anything other than a ‘yes’ should be treated as a ‘no’ and Melanie’s response of ‘not hearing a no’ would not excuse that kind of behavior. That all being said, I’m curious how things will play out now that a woman has been publicly accused.

[@occamsaturn]

it's hard to think Melanie's response can be taken in any other way

[@HeartFeathers]

Though this is not hard evidence, I'm leaning towards Timothy because in Melanie's response she didn't address any kind of consent beyond her supposedly 'not hearing a no.' We know that's not the same as consent, but it appears as though Melanie thinks it is which is very troubling.

[@slimkt]

Briqt Wemmde Her phrasing sounds like confirmation of what Timothy described happening, but I’d like to give benefit of the doubt and wait to see if her response was mis-worded or if the circumstances in both stories align and Melanie legitimately thinks that not hearing ‘no’ means consent.

[@slimkt]

Heart Feathers exactly. I’m holding judgement until she clarifies that point, but it definitely isn’t looking too good.

[@Angelia359]

That's the hard part for vitims. It's almost impossible to get solid evidence on sexual assault.

[@reinabradley468]

I don't believe either side until proven either guilty or innocent but until there is evidence to support claims. Rape is a hard thing to prove because if you don't act immediately afterwards evidence disappears and waiting makes is increasing harder to prove rape happened.

[@MariaThePotterNut]

Even with lots of evidence and even eye witnesses, people like Brock Turner get away with it all the time. Rape kits get lost or pushed to the side and discredited all the time, and if you don't do something extremely quickly it can't pick anything up, and its a super invasive process as it is that can make a victim feel even worse. People are always screaming for evidence, I don't know what they want. If it didn't happen on camera, its not real? Yes people shouldn't automatically be considered guilty, but sometimes we have to take victims at their word because it's all the proof they have.

[@adribautista3593]

You could report right after the fact and it is still difficult to prove, especially if its someone you know and are close to. The question isn't "did intercourse happen". In this case they need to determine if there was consent and that only comes from word of mouth. The you have one testimony claiming there was consent and another says there wasn't.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Brock Turner got a slap on the wrist because the judge was a piss ant. I think people are STILL gunning for his job, and rightly so. And no, in America we don't assume guilt. It's one of the things that separates us from the tinpot dictatorships of the world.

[@stupidnflcomments7116]

Raza Cras do you think that’s the same when it’s a guy that “rapes” a girl?

[@reinabradley468]

YungJBwah 69 it shouldn't matter who rapes who until proven guilty by the court then no they aren't automatically guilty, think about the false allegations that cause innocent men and woman to go to jail for something they didn't do

[@timtrolll]

Twitter is not a court of law. If you have a serious accusation against someone you need to take it to the cops. Not the internet

[@nightfrost1891]

the cops 99% of the time don't give a fuck and with someone famous they can be paid off to keep it quiet so the next best thing is to ruin their image so the cops can't ignore it and a lot of the times the victims are scared especially dealing with a celebrity any type of move against them can ruin you

[@CMichaelEH]

amen

[@hakuqtsukii]

lmaoo going to the police is not easy u know.

[@jessmils561]

In a way it is. Some times (a lot of the time) public opinion can be more damming than actual evidence/conviction

[@taylormanning5786]

Amaya Loves U thats bs she went ahead and did this for attention. you dont come out on the internet with this knowing your going to damage the other persons career and life without evidence at all as of right now its all she said she said. if she really felt abused she shouldve left and went home or went to a therapist and got a lawyer and sued melaine.

[@trisarahtops1092]

I’m kind of grossed out by the number of people who are treating the accusations against Melanie Martinez as some kind of victory against feminists. No rape should ever be celebrated. Regardless of your ideologies, rape is always a horrible, disgusting, traumatic event that should universally be condemned.

[@princessrobotbubblegum721]

Sam S No one is celebrating rape. What I'm observing is that, Mel's "still" fans are going on "Melanie is not like that, she's a sweet girl" when that is plain stupid to assume. Nobody but the closest people in her life know her. Hell, Melanie only knows herself just like I know the real me, and you know the real you. What some people are trying to bring awareness to is that, if Melanie was a Male who had done this, most of those "still" fans would not be saying the same words as they are now. The male artist would be immediately investigated, and the media would be all over him unlike in case of female artists who it seems that they can get away with it, and even joke about it on tv without consequences. I also see people just jumping into conclusions TOO QUICK, which is wrong. We don't know for sure what the truth is, there need to be a deeper investigation on the case. Rape is just plain wrong so are false rape accusations. Stay Neutral on this matter until more info comes out.

[@konway17]

The right are just gross people in general

[@stopyo1948]

The number of people celebrating this as a victory are very low which I'm happy about. Stop trying to politicize this by trying to acknowledge a nonexistent politization

[@awkwardsilence4427]

King Aesthetic ...why do you have a playlist of videos in your profile stating that the earth is flat?

[@guardianofnarnia3962]

But it disproves the feminist narrative that only men rape. They make us men out to be monsters, which in turn, creates the very people they're against. Maybe YOU should stop treating all rape cases the same and realize not every single one supports the feminist cause? Actually, why is this a treated as a "cultural" issue when rape occurs all over the world? This has and always will be a human issue. Stupid feminists aren't correct.

[@ReisWorld]

I will never understand people hurting animals

[@whyyowhyyo1822]

I can, we murder human life by the thousands every day.

[@102nickplays]

Reis World Are you a vegan?

[@Dreww-w6t]

Are you a vegan?

[@Kasphs95]

Hurting and killing is different :)

[@Dreww-w6t]

Someone NotKnown Are you brain dead?

[@strangebot8492]

I love how people are bending over backwards to try to defend this Melanie chick, like if this had been a dude doing this to a woman there would be no fucking question that people would pounce on him like a piece of meat. My standard has been and will always be innocent until proven guilty, but it's insane to see all these "we must believe accusers under any circumstances" going to "we need video evidence" or "how did such a small girl overpower someone". Have a standard, not a double-standard.

[@laylaleslie2717]

yeah i see how this is true, but in other situations it just isn't. Take Ed Westwick who was just accused by a woman of raping her years back whilst he had a powerful position over her. He is a loved actor and many people took the stance of 'innocent until proven guilty' which i think was justified since there was no evidence. Double standards do exist but it is simply not true that when a male is accused every female suddenly hates them/believes the accusor. REPLY

[@iambatman6763]

Eh people probably only defended him cause he looked good.

[@mangoicecream726]

...do you think it's just the type of fans she has..... ...no ..... okay....

[@BlackkCobra]

Strange Bot no one is defending her. Everyone hates her on tumblr and twitter and are burning her cd's

[@michaelarenas9185]

Remember when youtube was about just cat videos and people hurting themselves? Pepperidge farm remembers

[@takiyaschmidt1259]

Remember when people weren't so stupid? I can't, because I'm 11

[@emilyjoao445]

I myself was a huge Melanie Martinez fan as you can tell by my photo. I looked up to her and had watched her ever since she was on The Voice. When I found this out I was horrified and disgusted to think my former idol would do such a sick thing. I had a few moments of disbelief but then read Timothy's story and I believe her and I'm frustrated with Melanie's response, but yet again no one knows what happened only Timothy and Melanie do. I am extremely sick and disappointed to hear any of this but I will wait and see what happens when justice is served.

[@jian5464]

Rape is a very serious accusation. So to all those people that are quick to take on a side, *READ THE RECEIPTS* . First, Melanie admitted they had sex but she also said it was a mutual decision. She said it TWICE consistently. However, Timothy have changed some details with her story about the situation even with the timeline of when things happened. You might say that it is a VERY traumatic event that one could have forgotten such “minor” details, to that I agree. BUT was the situation really that traumatic to her to the extent that when she was asked to state what happened in details in an interview- ON CAMERA, and even on Instagram live, she has the audacity to laugh and treat it like it’s funny? I’m not even a fan of Melanie but I am so fucking pissed about this because I am a victim of the same matter myself, and seeing someone blatantly using such a sensitive topic for personal gain is just downright unforgivable. And don’t tell me bullshit like she had nothing to gain from it, she had released her first single 6 days ago, it needed publicity and she got it. She gained 50k followers in a few days. She even took a picture of Melanie in handcuffs if you were so uncomfortable with sexual activities and what was happening why would you even take a snap? I’ll tell you why. Because it was a SET UP. It was planned ahead. Either way, Melanie’s career which she gained from years of hard work is now over. So she got what she want. If a person is already considered guilty just because of a claim in a mere tweet. Then we’d all be in jail.

[@brendadelgado9108]

First OF ALL, RAPE is NOT something to be joking about. The fact you said " a LOT Of PeoPlE JokE AboUt TraUmAtiC ShIt" is a BS excuse and is very offensive. It is also a stated opinion. There is evidence that Melanie wasn't even in the same freaking state the same day of the accused rape.She was traveling back from tour. Also she did make it up for publicity because no one would react the way she did or even go live on Instagram literally the fucking day after. She has mental problems, Borderline Personality Disorder(BPD) if you already hadn't known and she confirmed. Plus she literally fucking promoted her single the day after she fucking allegedly confirmed she was raped. These are all facts, not a biased opinion like yours.

[@jian5464]

trust People who believe in accusations in a mere tweet and immediately pointing that someone is guilty without further evidence, that is what flawed logic is.

[@Rosie4148]

Camila’s Eye Twitch but what if Timathy is lying?

[@ChloeLKhossmer]

PRRRRREACH!!!

[@aianio4932]

Yass

[@flosscrossley4315]

This Martinez story is insane

[@HaleyBug221]

Jeremy Lee I wouldn't belittle you. If you didn't consent at all its not okay. As a girl, and as someone who has been sexually harassed before, I think you deserve better and I'm so sorry you went through that

[@Humble197]

u could have left her but i dont know your story so

[@Jonthekiller9]

Your right it is insane, but why didn’t she go to the police instead of going to social media? Honestly at this point I’m a skeptic to all sexual assault claims because they destroy lives even when fake.

[@tri1937]

dx8771 PREACH The internet is to quick to take anyone down without facts, it's not even funny, look at the lives keemstar ruined, or the lives getting ruined now with the fake accusations being thrown in recently

[@conriconnell9004]

I’m so confused as a fan.

[@sillylittlechipmunk]

When a woman is accused of sexual assault, her victim’s testimony should he held at the same level as the testimony of a man’s victim. And same goes with the accused; don’t rush to assume a man is guilty if you’re not gonna do the same with a woman.

[@dailyvlogfan92]

I am beyond happy that they found and arrested the person who hurt that poor kitten. I wish there were more cases like this. People have done way worse things to animals, the elderly, children, teens, young adults, and adults. I really wish we had more power to make change there as well.

[@thatcoolgothmom8989]

Sorry but all of these allegations are getting ridiculous. People are losing careers they had for years with no proof what so ever. It's innocent until proven guilty, or did we forget that? Just because some girl takes to Twitter doesn't mean it's true.

[@TheCyberianHusky]

M M1989 THANK YOU.

[@jd-ov2fd]

M M1989 thank you

[@babyyoshi3099]

Except the response to it basically confirmed it, except claiming it was consensual.

[@Spiderlessspiderweb]

M M1989 thank you! Yes its rediculous. Its all just for attention.

[@greghempfling2315]

Babyyoshi309 she didn’t “basically” confirm anything. You’re reaching. Timothy claims she was raped/molested, the other girl says they had sex consensually. What was confirmed is they had sexual relations, not that she was raped. Remember, innocent until proven guilty

[@KaraIsabella]

Okay, some of you may not have ever taken a Psychology class, so let me tell you something: someone who's had previous abuse will freeze up just like Timothy did. They had an abusive relationship, which is why it was hard for her to physically resist. This is textbook abused behavior. Also, Timothy did state she said no multiple times. Regardless, without an enthusiastic yes, IT'S A NO.

[@squeezytuna]

You don't to take a psychology class to understand lol Plus, we don't know what actually happened, so taking sides it's pretty pointless

[@PhilipZeplinDK]

"Okay, some of you may not have ever taken a Psychology class" Oh wow, look at Mrs. Genius over here, guys!

[@serenabegay4757]

KaraIsabella did you know she froze up? no, cause half of this is made up for the attention and for her shitty music. Melanie didn't rape her, lmao. STFU and get your facts straight.

[@snakester79]

i think we know what side ^ is on

[@sav9373]

XxBandxGirlxX Ps4Gamer so where's your proof that she's lying then, since you clearly know what went down?

[@Juntou]

Male or female, high or not, I hope that this case is treated with the same seriousness as a male case would be and that if Melanie actually did molest Timothy she'll be shown the same justice as any other molester. If you are a fan of hers, you may have doubt, but please don't shift your opinion just because you enjoy her music/character. Edit: If I made any mistakes in my writing please tell me.

[@ohlookiusedtohavemyfirstna4188]

I have reasons to doubt the accuser, as Melanie OPENLY admitted to having sex with her (many would not due so if accused of rape). I honestly don't know with this, as we all will have to wait for more responses from each side.

[@breadman8544]

Ari Alucard if you’re trying to learn English then your doing a great job

[@weslance7913]

Ari Alucard I hope so too. I feel like if she did her fans are too willing to believe her to condemn her.

[@bluvillage]

I am a fan of hers and this shit is so ironic. She wrote a god damn song about rape.

[@loreaver3882]

Ari Alucard seems like Melanie was pushy and thought it was alright since other girl didn’t say no

[@MsAsh3070]

I 10000% believe Timothy. Her account was extremely detailed and did come across as very genuine. Martinez's reply was just 'she didn't say no'. And even putting aside that Timothy said that she said no multiple times, lack of dissent does not mean consent has been given, particularly not when Martinez had been pressuring her for two nights.

[@youyou01101]

so if not saying no ddoesn't mean yes,what does it mean?

[@eson3d]

You should leave it at 99% because a little bit of skepticism is always good :D

[@ch1vis]

RAIN MAYHEM She felt overpowered by Melanie and as she said, she loved her. She didn't know what to do. In proven real cases of rape, this has occured many, many times. It's sad, but most likely true, in my opinion.

[@AngelsoftheUnknown]

Melanie was also very vague in stating "what we chose to do together." It begs the question that this isn't the first time she took Timothy's denial and passiveness as being willing, it makes it sound like them being bffs and having done so much together made her think that this behavior was okay.

[@Petalflipper]

Jesus, even you guys are making excuses for detailed stories now. Nothing will make it seem real to you sort. Like sure, prosecutions and all that, but Jesus Christ.

[@DONTworryIgotTHIS]

IMO this is the problem with just allegations without evidence, everyone just assumed that what her accuser said happened. I'm not saying that it didn't but we just have nothing to go on in either case and in the mean time Melanie Martinez just suffers this huge blow to her public image.

[@loveyoujonghyun]

And if she's innocent you can all smd.

[@clownshrooms]

there are SO many inconsistencies in timothy's story. we really shouldn't pass judgement until we have more info.

[@alexxtricityy3974]

She doesn’t really have evidence apart from her word and images of them together during that night as the incident happened so long ago

[@ArtsyTardis]

Actually, if you look at this comment section alone (and basically everywhere else) basically no one believes her man

[@nathanielesposito3756]

Of course people are cherry picking who to believe and who to doubt. It’s easy to say “believe all victims” until someone accuses a person you love/respect. Innocent until proven guilty is pretty much the only viable option, because it applies to both parties! I assume the accused is innocent, AND I assume the accuser isn’t lying. Start with the assumption that it’s just a horrible misunderstanding and adjust your opinion as more information is revealed. I’m honestly curious why people find this difficult to do. If you have a different opinion please hit me with it. I could always just be stupid so take what I say with a grain of salt.

[@TheMadsC]

Nathaniel Esposito this is probably the best worded opinion on the matter. Thank you. I agree 100%. How can I trust that either of them is telling the truth? I weren't there.

[@Ninavega01]

Nathaniel Esposito I don't think you're stupid, I think you have a valuable opinion here buddy so thanks :)

[@sassymedea3065]

If Melanie Martinez was a man this story would be treated extremely different there would be no doubt for one thing.

[@cattyghostly7414]

n a lmao no? Literally most of the cases are questioned even if there's evidence.

[@Intheforesttheresafairy]

Nope, that's not true

[@emhurl]

Na it's fucked that when women acuse men of sexual assual/rape the woman is automatically believed but now with a womanas both the victum and abuser there needs to be evidence. It should be a level playing field for both!

[@brandipityha9457]

Because women never lie about any of this stuff.. DUH!

[@doodadsdandy]

“the woman is automatically believed” what planet do you live on???

[@KrissyMeow]

Oh please, just by the comments alone, the reaction to this is far different than ALL of the accusations towards men. You're blind if you don't see it. The commenter is spot on.

[@AustralianIlluminati]

This is kind of a strawman argument tbh

[@cyrusgronk9316]

jbulletc The problem isn't wether you're the type of person to believe the victim first or request evidence. The problem is that people flip flop their opinion, they want proof when it's someone they don't care for but they'll bring up all kinds of excuses when it's someone they like.

[@brie4182]

You should probably do an update on the rape accusation against Melanie because Melanie released another statement and there have been a lot of holes found in Timothy's story.

[@ayeyoshesaidilikeursunglasses]

They're just the same

[@brie4182]

I mean, I wouldn't say there are holes in Melanie's statement, just that it wasn't a very good statement.

[@brie4182]

Both statements? I mean, yea... they both denied committing rape if that's what you mean.

[@xxmonst3erxxplayzzz432]

I know I love mel and I always will and I know she wouldn’t do this so Timothy is lying just wait

[@Midiport]

Here's the thing: you cannot be biased just because you like one's music. You do not personally know Melanie. You do not know what she would or wouldn't do. Everyone is capable of doing this. You shouldn't do it. But still some so.

[@emilysal]

That cat-abuser kid scares me.... obviously a big thing to say but studies from a lot of murderers/serial killers show that people who abuse/torture or kill animals or pets grow up to do similar things to humans

[@empath3133]

They're usually born in November so I wonder when he was born

[@lizcarr6329]

I'm kind of shocked by the Melanie Martinez thing I only just got into her music, but I find it so odd that someone who writes songs that subtly address sexual assault and abusive relationships would herself be an abuser. I'm saddened by this. I don't really know what to say other than I hope that Timothy can get the help she needs or desires so she can get through this hard time. Wow.

[@TheBlackB0X]

My Name Is Liz Reference: Male feminist/allies. Typically predatory chameleon acts. The more virtuous a person claims to be, the more skeletons you can expect to find buried in their backyard.

[@Chibz]

She fetishizes abuse and sexual assault and the mental illness that comes with it. She thinks it's cute and whimsical and romantic. She doesn't actually care about victims.

[@cocobarbarian1510]

My Name Is Liz A lot of her fans (not all) are playing the "innocent until proven guilty" card, because a person who they like was accused. Martinez statement didn't deny anything that Timothy said all she said was that she didn't say no

[@zugmeister314]

"...playing the "innocent until proven guilty" card..." You better hope nobody ever accuses you of doing something bad, because by your own standards you'd be automatically guilty.

[@lolwut6635]

Its also possible that Melanie was abused herself. That could condition her that what she was doing was okay.

[@MadeByAntiPerf]

Something just doesn't sound right about Timothy's story in my opinion, something just isn't adding up 🤔.

[@axolotls_are_cute7799]

Quing Matty Mashups many things are wrong with the story

[@lia1tan]

With all the bad news going on, can we all just glad that the cat is okay and that kid got arrested?

[@starjumper]

Lia Tan Ugh so happy that kid got arrested

[@kateajurors8640]

Lia Tan actually knowing our justice system the way it is in that people care more about cats and dogs than rats that are more sentient than cats and dogs. No I'm not happy I'm glad that the cats okay but I'm not happy that this kid got arrested. I'm not happy with the way our system is it's not going to change anything this kids probably going to become more of a delinquent and hate cats for the rest of his life and kill him but off camera. We got to see who this kid really was and what they thought was funny but we're not correcting it by throwing them in jail putting cuss on them making their parents pay thousands of dollars for an expensive lawyer just because the indigenous status is f***** up in every state. No I'm not happy I hate the entire system and I don't believe anyone in it. I just believe the victims of it

[@JohnDoe-yw8zz]

Can we highlight this comment

[@ztlabraptor211]

Katea Jurors so tell me what is a better solution to a criminal act than jail and charged?

[@coffeegirl18]

I'm super happy the cat is okay and that the kid was arrested...Idiot even tried to run, I hope he was banged up some in doing so. Really surprised that happened in Ontario though (as I live there) and it's pretty safe/level. I've only seen two cases of animal abuse, one a guy killed a swan and the other there was an animal serial killer in London....They caught both.

[@Rlyeh_The_Dead]

Wow, I've never seen so many "innocent until guilty" comments on accused males as this woman is getting. Odd.

[@lefin.9758]

Men: Guilty into proven innocent Women: Innocent till proven guilty.

[@fatinnaisya]

Illicit Films wow it hurts how accurate that is

[@celinehosea507]

dujfraz actually from what I've seen a lot of people are hating on her...

[@daddylonglegs9854]

Most of her fans believe the accusation. But it is sad the world is like that... or men being arrested with no evidence.

[@xzSora]

dujfraz So true

[@icemelon1562]

Melanie Martinez's response is just *tragic* She didn't say anything about keeping her up all night begging her to have sex/getting her high so its only assumed that shes agreeing with those statements. I really dont understand how someone can take silence as a yes after begging them for two nights straight????

[@dumpsterdog879]

issa joke I'm really trying to be thoughtful about what you just said, but with your Hank Hill picture, it's hard lol

[@loreaver3882]

Dangit bobby

[@xxfallenangel1995xx]

Do you really think anybody would believe her if she had spoken on it?

[@loreaver3882]

issa joke when are gonna deal with the serial rapist Lacy green

[@sparklehunter4044]

i think that it’s also very telling that she didn’t say that “i’m too tired” and “i have a boyfriend” were never said. those two statements are a different way of saying ‘no’, and are not an invitation for continued coercion.

[@Bubbly_24]

You look like the guy from glee but older (For those asking I was referring to Cory Monteith)

[@TheSweetestPea94]

Paradox and less dead

[@danishamcclendon]

True

[@jcporrasbernal]

Yea

[@barbarasaunders6327]

The..guy? There's like 30 guys in glee..

[@1JAwesome]

MovieGirl8 yeah but there's only one that remotely looks like him so...

[@SeriousPepe]

This whole story is hard to speak on. I was falsely accused. So many people turned on me and I couldn’t leave my house without the fear of being assaulted. I was proven innocent but today I still see so many people who don’t believe me and still believe the girl is still a victim. She’s out today accusing a new guy. I personally don’t know what side is telling the truth. I don’t know what the truth is I feel bad if the girl was raped, and I feel bad if this was a false allegation. But I know for the fact the truth always comes out.

[@laurajpeg13]

Serious Pepe I’m sorry you were accused, that’s awful for you to go through that. The thing with this Melanie case is that Melanie herself admitted that things happened on Twitter and it’s clear consent wasn’t given.

[@jadeharley8640]

Sorry you went through that, dude. I hope you get some form of restitution in the future, 'cause that's fucked up.

[@SeriousPepe]

Laura Ngo yes true.... the problem was I did admit to sleeping with her and it just was was so bad how something so beautiful with someone you cared about.... it all goes down just for her to get some attention.

[@SeriousPepe]

Jade Harley thank you so much Jade, I hope the same thing!!! :)

[@shaleamontanez4591]

Some girl in my school did so twice, and while I believed the girl initially, because it's my first reaction, the you was arrested without any evidence at all. It was found that he was innocent apparently (this was last year and he was a senior so I'm not sure) but this probably ruined his chances of getting scholarships and all that. I can empathize but alson

[@Razbeariez]

4:16 Oh what a precious kitty! I'm so glad it's okay!

[@Razbeariez]

Manley156 Saaaame

[@Tayl0r_]

His name is Spot :’)

[@Tayl0r_]

Also the lady who owns him rescued him 4 months previously... poor thing. He is very loved. I hope the owner sues for emotional distress

[@Matt-io8cx]

The casts were so cute but yet so sad. Cats are dope

[@StemNoodle]

Taylor Skretteberg Oh that would just be the icing on top of the cake. Lets hope they throw the book, the gavel, and the entire fucking jury at him.

[@LuciFer-mf2ns]

I don't know about you guys, but if someone falsely accused me of rape, I would not be "wishing them love and light always." I am usually try to remain unbiased in these situations, but Melanie's response is so shady to me.

[@jadeharley8640]

TBH I was impartial until I read what Melanie said. That response was pretty gross for a multitude of reasons.

[@librodynamics9045]

In a hypothetical were Melanie is innocent and they were/ are as close as that message made them seem I could get it. If one of my close friends accused me of raping them, and everyone started hating on me I would want to appear as forgiving as possible. Both for the betrayal of my friend and to appear non-aggressive against someone who has the publics' sympathy as a 'rape-victim'

[@ozarazil5745]

Well its shady but its the smart thing to do, if she begun to respond the way she should i would atract more and more atention and would make her look worst.

[@rosevelasquez9110]

YEESSSS

[@at5203]

Luci Fer The "she didn't say no" it's kind of creepy. There were so many ways in which she could of said that the other girl wanted to have sex or had given signs of consent, but she chose to go for that frase.

[@griselda7615]

What if Melanie is actually innocent and her (ex) fans threw her stuff away for nothing.

[@sebastianperez-lara7144]

Min Gris yes

[@mr.stealyomanzjohnlaurens6205]

That is exactly what happened

[@tavside]

Yip

[@ariawebber1760]

That's what happened

[@embemuwugacha1188]

She is innocent

[@PapiMakky]

On the Melanie Martinez story: I'm sorry, but in my opinion, Martinez's statement is piss-poor. It addresses nothing, states no details, and just overall makes it sound like Martinez has something to hide.

[@carbon1255]

Please rethink this. Because of the legal nature of this accusation her acceptable response is limited. It is not just some twitter drama.

[@PapiMakky]

Carbon 12 You make a good point. This isn't Twitter drama, this a serious accusation. Which is why I think Martinez's response isn't all that great. It just seemed too vague and sketchy to be legitimate.

[@23daughters]

Maybe she's been advised by her lawyers to not say too much. If Timothy is telling the truth, why not take it to the police instead of social media? That's the biggest indicator to me, that someone's bullshitting for attention.

[@monamiller536]

or she wasnt overly defensive cuz she didnt need to be

[@konway17]

Carbon 12 you need to rethink it lmao

[@emmad799]

Melanie's response is very sketchy to me and she just beats around the bush a lot and the way timothy graphically described it makes it seem so real. I was a big fan of Melanie but not anymore. I'm gonna be one of those people who was destroying their merchandise. edit: you guys are right I might look into selling or donating it actually

[@mochann1133]

Emma Dickinson you should try to sell it to at least get some money back

[@emmad799]

Crab Apple I thought about it but the shirts all faded and the album case is broken, unfortunately

[@MoriguTheDead]

I know you clarified its not in good condition, but generally I think you should resell if it is instead of destroying it. 2nd hand sales fill the need of those wanting it, while preventing the person being protested from making money from it.

[@dravenzindle7585]

I mean, you're only destroying something you had already paid for and already gave money to her with. Destroying your own stuff only hurts yourself

[@bellcharles36]

being able to graphically describe something doesnt mean it happened

[@gradcath]

The cat story's outcome made me so happy.

[@Noondroid]

Maplememer it would’ve been better if he was tased or at least roughed up

[@SpikeShroom]

Noondroid Canadians are too nice for that. Does the Ontario PD even carry tasers/guns? I know some UK officers don't.

[@usbcgaming776]

The cat looked so cute and I felt so bad seeing him in that cast.

[@mutantxdoll]

SpikeShroom it was in Ontario, California, not Canada.

[@SpikeShroom]

Ah shit, was it? I didn't even know that was a place. rip

[@saphyrentg3223]

Timothy ... Drag her to the court instead of dragging her on social media! Que Justice soit faite !!

[@adribautista3593]

Cynthia Ntigurirwa nothing will happen in court. Sexual assault cases are already difficult enough and when its someone you're close to its even harder. Melanie admited that something happened between them so the question is if there was consent. Melanie says there was and Timothy says there wasnt.

[@chickenstrips4021]

Cynthia Ntigurirwa OMG MY NAMES CYNTHIA TOO

[@tsukino7751]

Cynthia Torres News flash: No one gives a fuck.

[@kcrystaliacat9135]

Wth I followed her on twitter and she send out a tweet that she faked it but she deleted it after five minutes

[@jesuszamora6949]

Cynthia Ntigurirwa Social media allows you to destroy someone's life without risk to yourself. Just part of the destruction of society at the hands of social media.

[@quaweds]

Is it me or do the two girls look like the same person?

[@saltyswede7875]

Quaweds its the sjw look

[@darcey6392]

Bruh I researched this girl, it is a little odd that she changed her look to resemble Melanie very recently and began to promote new music... She even dressed up as Melanie for Halloween, it's just a bit strange. I've been assaulted and would never ever glorify/promote the monster by dressing up as him and emulating his look. I know people can think of some convoluted reason she's done this but it'd be wrong to disregard the fact that it's bizarre

[@AE-wy6vv]

sardonic you make a good point :-/ its so hard when none of us or anyone was there but we all want an answer

[@aryateske8726]

it's just you

[@I_am_milan]

😂

[@Officialziarah]

Damn i didn’t burn my merch and stuff , just put it away and haven’t worn it ... until i get 100% proof of her doing it or not I’m not gonna do anything crazy

[@lindsaydale307]

I agree until proof is out I have put my stuff hers away not going over board and getting rid of and burning her stuff

[@Bingbong429]

How are we going to get proof? It’s kinda difficult to get proof of sexual assault/rape except of word of mouth

[@lindsaydale307]

sarahkocab well by the dates given and by alibis

[@toxicblood2363]

Yes, I agree with you. Some people are over dramatic

[@esaw7067]

So if its a girl then its "wait till there's 100% proof" but if its a guy then its "lock him up straight away"

[@06Junebugs]

I think we need to put much more importance and really encourage victims of sexual assault to go straight to the police. It really helps sort everything out if it's dealt with properly and right away rather than tweeting accusations years later.

[@sayitaintso9240]

I went to the police and they asked me to clarify whether I said no and if it's not just a case of me regretting it. Then they laughed because she was a woman. I went through the report anyway and was called a month later and told that the rapist had bigger charges on drugs pending already and would I please drop my own charges as they would just delay their drug case and the likelihood of her being convicted of molestation was slim. I was outraged and was told by them that is actually very common bc drug convictions give perpetrators more time than sexual convictions do. There's a reason most victims do not go to the police. The emphasis should be placed on how society views this issue as a whole and the the current system will follow. We can start with education and statistics since many people such as yourself aren't aware this is an issue.

[@ysabellawuthrich223]

Police don’t do shit

[@badwolf3080]

I agree with you. I believe this rise in people coming forward will create the environment for future victims to go straight to the police. Rapists should be in jail. Male or female.

[@06Junebugs]

Ysabella Wuthrich even if they don't do anything it's important to have it reported so if future victims come out it's on record that the offender has done this before. Plus police definitely can't do shit if you just tweet it years after the event. I completely understand why victims feel they can't go to the cops that why we as a society have to change stigma and encourage it more.

[@06Junebugs]

Say It Ain't So so awful ): i agree our police system doesn't take it seriously enough a lot of the times. Its so sad. you did right by going to law enforcement though. but yes I think we need to better educate our society!

[@angellinafosse1936]

I really am confused about this rape allegation. Something about the story seems off. Like we aren’t getting all the information. I feel hesitant to make any decisions until there is and investigation or a more complete picture of the story.

[@drewdawson4663]

angellina fosse good luck with your jury duty

[@aianio4932]

Dang everyone on here shames those who need evidence first before believing anything. That means being open minded and not quick to judge unlike those who are convicting without any basis

[@atme365]

I feel confused too, I've definitely been in sexual situations that I didn't want to be in, even when you don't want to do something, if you don't say no, or allow it, or participate, is that consent?

[@amazingabby25]

at me Consent is saying Yes. Or also acting responsive, kissing back, touching back, etc

[@angellinafosse1936]

Drew Dawson well if it came to that I would happily serve jury duty.

[@Samcastle1_]

The story seems fake.. seems like she was jealous. I usually believe most of these stories but I'm not sure about this one

[@NakedAvanger]

MidNightMoon we really don't know, both sides could be lying or telling the truth But I think it's stupid how people just decide to unsub from someone just because their "friend" wrote something about her which has no proof

[@plasmc7_266]

MidNightMoon same I don't know it seems fake

[@ninacutter854]

MidNightMoon yupk!!!😁

[@miranda3622]

MidNightMoon same

[@myeeeeeh]

On a tweet, Melanie said "She never said no."

[@frigidpvp8975]

Does it bother anyone else that phil doesn't ever sit on the couch in the back?

[@buttcheeksguy]

that couch is only for interviews wink wink

[@kirarxse8893]

FrigidPvP now that you say this...

[@DoubleHipoDouble]

Yesssssss

[@dronthegreat42]

What stain cleaner is used on there. It looks brand new

[@danielhartridge1492]

the only reason you have those fourteen likes is cuz of your name

[@JoeWuhPuh]

"She never said no" THAT ISN'T FUCKING YES THOUGH IS IT?

[@vinblack85]

It's also not No.....jk

[@Kirbybaby]

Guess we gotta start signing contracts before hooking up xD

[@Only1Orinthal]

Joe Wuh-Puh Meh. Holding the 50/50 line

[@lotsalottie4565]

The Benc, depends on her facial expression, body language etc..People react differently to sexual abuse, they may freeze (especially if they've experienced sexual trauma before) or they may scream and struggle, thankfully it's becoming more and more talked about that the victim doesn't have to be screaming or pushing the person off for it to be rape.

[@LokasennaCole]

I will say the same thing to this accusation of assault that has said in any other. Show me the proof. Show me evidence. One of the internet's most famous sayings is "pics or it didn't happen" an interestingly enoug our court system has " innocent until proven guilty" I will never ever believe someone who goes to Twitter or Facebook before going to the police.

[@Sophia-fr2jb]

About Melanie I always loved her but this is so sad it’s terrible to think that someone you look up to can do something like this

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

Drastyn • yeah :(

[@Fcsdburrit0]

The teen goes to a school right next to mine. I saw the video from a friend on Snapchat and IMMEDIATELY reported it to fontana amimal services. I couldn’t watch the video again after the 1st time i did, i was outraged and broken hearted.

[@HappiestSadGuy]

Damnit, now we gotta teach women not to rape, What's next, big Hollywood Actors?

[@jayc342009]

when men do stuff like this all men get criminalised, when women do stuff like this the feminists are silent.

[@majorblues1128]

No I'm pretty sure feminists are dropping her. I know I am.

[@TheSolaceOfSilence]

you sound like a sympathizer "sir fap a lot" lololol

[@TacticalBerry]

Did you ever consider reason you don’t see feminists speak out against things is because you personally don’t care enough about they have to say to see their response?

[@jayc342009]

MajorBlues 11 you speak for all feminists? Haha, did my comment trigger you? Did i insult your precious feminism?

[@eufi13]

*When fans get surprised that fucked up lyrics from artists have some truth in reality*

[@leonardchurch814]

hucklebearry to be fair I've never heard of her singing about rape.

[@rachelrage_]

Truth in reality is no one knows the truth of this yet, likely never will. Accusation does not equate guilt.

[@Sophia-fr2jb]

Leonard Church her song million men

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

Rachel Duncan True, hope it's not for real but either way there's no winning because either someone lied or someone got sexually abused. Depressing, but not shocked.

[@candle4864]

Drastyn • million men is way darker than what Timothy said haha , nothing alike

[@j335h5]

Considering the KZbin news, Theodd1sout had his own second account shut down and had his appeal to have it restored denied due to KZbin saying he was impersonating himself. I hope the increase in staff helps address issues like this and others such as inappropriate demonising and running ads on actually inappropriate content.

[@cherryixing4372]

Impersonating himself lol

[@stephaniejoobern1001]

Impersonating himself for goodness' sake haha XD

[@Mars_over_seer]

J335H oh god! This is probably a troll comment right? Plz.

[@jeremiahchu1543]

MysteriousMrM no it actually happened check his Twitter

[@React2Quick]

i freaking love odd1sout's content. His plagiarism story and his subway stories are easily my favorite

[@angelday8594]

Here’s where my issue lies with the Melanie Martinez situation. The due process in the United States is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. I am a sexual assault survivor. I am a victim of abuse and a victim of assault on many occasions. But, if I chose to press charges after. He would beinnocent until proven guilty. Blindly believing someone is different than showing support to them. I am still a fan of Mel, because in my eyes she is not guilty. There is nothing besides her testimony that says otherwise. Do I believe Timothy? I don’t know. I can’t discredit her as someone who’s speaking out. But again, there’s nothing besides her word. Even in cases of assault against political figures, they are innocent until otherwise. If more people come out agains Melanie then my view point may change. But at this time all we should be doing is showing support, not automatically assuming that she is guilty of rape.

[@missymani]

people say I'm victim shaming because I question if it is rape if someone doesn't oppose, goes along with EVERYTHING and don't let it clear enough what they want. i understand that victims of abuse get paralyzed and don't know what to do...BUT HOW IS THE OTHER PERSON SUPPOSED TO READ THEIR MINDS? ARE THEY EVER AWARE THEY ARE RAPING THE OTHER PERSON'? You can have sex with someone and think they are only nervous or are not experienced. People say "Timothy said no many times" No, what? "no" might mean " not this position" "not like that but go on" the word No alone doesn't mean irrefutably "I will not have sex". It really is difficult to say. I have no doubt she felt molested, and at the same time I don't believe at all that the other woman Melanie thought she was forcing her or was under the impression it was not consensual.

[@angelday8594]

Dalia Ramos what girl? I haven’t heard that.

[@smileyface702]

angelday8594 look on Timothy Heller's twitter account. She retweeted the girl's tweet. Looks like Melanie has a history of being highly manipulative and, for someone with emotional issues like Timothy, this could easily become abusive

[@letsstartadialogueeh7692]

Dalia Ramos then that's not a similar story. That's called having sexy times.

[@letsstartadialogueeh7692]

Dalia Ramos That's still consent though.

[@rachaelwilson2784]

As someone who used to be a huge fan of Melanie's, I'm disgusted by the way some of her fans have attacked Timothy for coming forward with her story. It breaks my heart to see that she's invalidated because of the mob mentality caused by her fanbase. Fandoms are too toxic anymore nowadays

[@hydrogeddonn]

I wouldn't attack her, but we need to always look at both sides of the story in these things. Rape charges are serious, and there have been innocent people convicted of rape. Very well could be a fame grab or slander, their friendship could have ended recently. To send her to jail for an ex-friends revenge would be just as bad as ignoring Timothy's claims in the first place. What sucks is that one person has to be telling the truth, and I hope its Timothy, the other way around is just as horrible.

[@rachaelwilson2784]

I agree with that 100%. But I was reading the replies on Melanie's response on Twitter and the ignorance and people saying Timothy made it up in order to get followers is outrageous. We'll have to see what else comes out but at this point I don't know what to think because there are 12 year olds being awful because someone they stan has been accused of a crime. I would hope no one would make this up, but I don't think that someone would pull a name like Melanie's knowing that she was be drug through the mud for saying anything negative about their "queen"

[@henrydawson7237]

Gotta say, a bunch of the comments I have seen on youtube and news sites regarding Martinez have been MUCH more skeptical and have talked more about "innocent until proven guilty". Where as sexual assault with male stars people jump the gun and just assume they are guilty and usually go into name calling and slurs. I appreciate that people are not immediately assuming someone is guilty because they are accused and it is the correct way to go about things. However, the hypocrisy has been insane.

[@laylaleslie2717]

yeah i see how this is true, but in other situations it just isn't. Take Ed Westwick who was just accused by a woman of raping her years back whilst he had a powerful position over her. He is a loved actor and many people took the stance of 'innocent until proven guilty' which i think was justified since there was no evidence. Double standards do exist but it is simply not true that when a male is accused every female suddenly hates them/believes the accusor.

[@x_SillyLilly_x]

With melanie only one woman came out. With men, it usually starts as one and then piles over to a whole mountain of victims. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[@BobO-iv8kj]

Henry Dawson W H E R E. There are legit the same amount of comments siding with the victim then sayijng "innocent until proven guilty". Go through the comments and tally up how many people are siding with the victim... Man these comments are a headache lol

[@mosesp5908]

moore 2018. rapists for the republican party !!!!

[@henrydawson7237]

Robertico Diaz "a bunch of the comments I have seen on youtube and news sites" I am not only looking at this comment section if that's what you are insinuating. There are a huge number of people not siding with the victim in this case (check news sites, facebook, etc that are covering this story). Don't reply to something if its beyond your level of thinking.

[@itasmolbean]

I'm sorry for my input on the first story, but it feels nice to not be alone I am a victim of sexual abuse, from 4 to 6 I was repeatedly raped and molested by a family friend who is a woman. Anytime I brought it up I would immediately get the same response "girls don't rape." "Girls can't rape." I always felt like complete and utter garbage. I felt like I wasn't an actual victim, that it was just some sort of misunderstanding in a sense. I ended up blaming myself for my abuse, because I just figured that it wasn't that big of a deal. I later realized it was a huge deal, and went to therapy and am still recovering. With that being said, it's relieving knowing another woman is willing to speak up about this abuse, women shouldn't rape. Men shouldn't rape. No one should rape. No one should abuse anyone; no matter their race, sex, age, or sexual orientation.

[@immortalsun]

2:08 They know they’ve already paid for this, right? Melanie isn’t losing anything from that.

[@weewoo7017]

They just don't want them anymore or being reminded of this

[@Maizurie]

Scondie 47 yeah, but that's THEIR money, they're only hurting themselves

[@memo-fq3ps]

Lol

[@jewposeidon8078]

Dimentive Fucking morons lmao

[@immortalsun]

Wow, are you the real ECKSECKSECKSTentacle?

[@snuplis]

Both of the stories line up, when she got high she didn’t say no because “she just wanted it to be over” she also never said yes. It’s clear that she was molested. Silence is not a yes.

[@plutus3518]

Snuplis it's not a no either. So i'm confused.

[@meganthefencer694]

No means no! It doesn’t matter who you are, silence doesn’t equal consent. And as a side note, I’m glad that the kid who threw the cat got what he deserved

[@SharpWits2013]

Unfortunately he didn't get what he deserved.. An eye for an eye would be a very good punishment. He should be thrown into the street like that too. See how he likes it.

[@loreaver3882]

Dakota Moore lmao damn

[@behindyou-.-4352]

Zoeannaart -Zilahtov I didn't read your comment the right way and I thought you said the cat got what it deserved

[@sparklehunter4044]

Hand Crafted, low quality bait or very bad opinion? find out next time on ‘men defend rapists’

[@Aira_Shiratori]

Dakota Moore Cats feel more pain than humans because they're much smaller

[@DeadCakez420]

The response that Melanie used sounds like the same one my assaulter used. And everyone believed him, but fast forward three years later and everyone found out he raped not only me, but four other girls. What Martinez did sounds like textbook manipulation, and her apology sounds just like the copy paste response every other rapist uses.

[@candle4864]

Anna Pooler and Timothy’s story sounds like a copy paste of a terrible fanfiction so

[@FrauStormm]

Anna Pooler EXACTLY. I didn’t say no or fight off my friend when he took advantage of me when I was highly intoxicated and he was sober. But he knew what he was doing. He invited himself in and violated me then ended up assaulting another friend when she was blacking out, months later.

[@FrauStormm]

Lugh Art except Timothy and Melanie were actually good friends. There’s plenty of photos of them together over the years and Melanie never denied that sexual acts took place so obviously something happened. It isn’t fanfic, it’s real life.

[@stephaniejoobern1001]

Lugh Art haha You read fanfics like that?

[@IamMissPronounced]

Anna Pooler I'm sorry for what happened to you. I know exactly what you mean, since I was molested by my bully who was also a girl. She used extremely manipulative tactics to get me to do things without me physically saying "no" out loud. It can happen to anyone.

[@taylor7272]

Also, no matter if she said yes or no, she was high. Intoxicated. That legally means she cannot give consent. If she said yes, it is technically still rape because she couldn't legally give consent. but, she DID said no.

[@missymani]

Why the hell is it rape just because she was intoxicated, taking in account BOTH were intoxicated. Then Melanie didn't have consent either when Timothy participated at some point (which she did, she admitted she went along.)

[@nijn3301]

Taylor Sinclair That’s not how weed works

[@kia8363]

Have you ever smoked weed? :D

[@sugarplum2467]

1. Unless you were in the room you have no idea if she said no. You're all in caps " SHE SAID NO", you're just repeating what someone you don't know personally said on the internet. That's stupid. Also, if you have a boyfriend and your best girl friend who you live with keeps trying to sleep with you and then tries to get you high then you wouldn't get high. I wouldn't get high or drunk with someone I KNOW is trying to push me to sleep with them. There's a difference between being pushy and rape. When a guy buys a girl a few drinks so she's easier to sleep with, that isn't rape. If the girl doesn't want to impair her judgment at the end of the night, she doesn't have to drink. Slipping her date rape drugs, that would be rape. But any choices you make from intoxication you chose yourself isn't rape, otherwise every single girl (and guy) regretting a drunken one nighter with a stranger could cry rape...what a mess that would be.

[@akirashiori6265]

Sugar Plum regret isn't rape, but giving a girl a drink to make them "easier" to comply is manipulative and IS rape. It doesn't matter if she took the drink, the man (or woman) had the INTENT to have sex with the victim and was using the means of something intoxicating to alter the victim's perception. Timothy agreed to weed because she trusted Melanie. That's what being her best friend means, they have a bond. Her boyfriend is irrelevant to her smoking weed, he doesn't control her decisions so she doesn't have to ask for his permission. She saw it as Melanie making inappropriate remarks and just playing. It lead to discomfort but in her mind prior to the rape she thought "hey, she's my best friend right? I can trust her." This is an educated assumption seeing as how most victims are raped by someone close to them, someone they trust, someone who then uses that trust to take advantage. Timothy said she never said yes and Melanie said "she never said no," so it doesn't matter whether or not she said no because she NEVER SAID YES according to BOTH women. Yes is the go ahead, silence is not an answer and doesn't mean yes. Timothy said she stayed quiet so it'd be over, which is a very real response in rape victims and doesn't mean she wanted it or is crying rape after regretting it.

[@Matt-uc5mx]

"What are you in for?" "I threw a cat"

[@OMEGATHENIETZCHIAN]

"People are cherry picking..." Exactly. When it comes to accusations one should take them seriously but neither believe or disbelieve. These things should be investigated, evidence should be demanded and judgement withheld until one has heard both sides and seen all available evidence.

[@DaSimsNetwork]

As a Canadian, I agree with the hockey thing, and say sorry.

[@teh_reel_nb5632]

DaSimsNetwork it is glorious to see the Canadians route the Americans all over the ice though.

[@paulsavage33]

It's technically not shit talking because we back it up lol

[@aes_lake]

Hello fellow Canadian 👋

[@AM34Gavin16MM]

I still vividly remember Iginla to Crosby then through Miller's 5 hole during OT

[@Fluskar]

Damn canadians so friendly 😂

[@unusunus4613]

Melanie said that she never said no to what they CHOSE to do. Idk what side I'm on but everyone seems to just say the first part making it sound worse than what she said.

[@MellowBTW]

My opinion on the first story is that Melanie Martinez was very vague in what she said as a reply meanwhile Timothy Heller was spilling her heart out to what seems to be the truth because Melanie never denied it just stated that she never said "no" hopefully we get a more updated and less vague response from Melanie but only time will tell.

[@gxss1358]

I question the motives of dragging something like this into the public spotlight unless it involves pressing criminal charges. I give every person, even Harvey Weinstein, the benefit of the doubt until due process can provide concrete, factual evidence of wrong-doing. I will listen ... but I will not believe without evidence because I am not insane. Using the Internet as a vehicle to try someone in the court of public opinion seems like little more than petty childish drama to me.

[@NekroDesignFactory]

That cat abuser was in UPLAND??? Damn, I should have put a trap out for him and dealt with him myself

[@stephaniejoobern1001]

Keysi Estrada haha👍

[@morganriley7418]

I feel like, I’m this whole Melanie situation, if it was a man this situation would be treated differently. :/

[@andrewward4386]

Morgan Riley This is very very similar to Toby Turner rape accusations and Phil pretty much had the same reaction as he did with this

[@andrewward4386]

Morgan Riley I believe Timothy, but I also believe that she shouldn't have gone to twitter first and to a reporter or someone like that first

[@Sophia-fr2jb]

Morgan Riley tbh I didn’t notice this

[@OuassRR28]

Andrew Ward phil did because he's a logical thinker. it's just that as soon as it's a man it just gets out of hand with them getting fired etc without a proper trial

[@stephaniejoobern1001]

Seraphim Flameheart If it was a man they would've been dropped from labels and sponsorships etc not just have Twitter yell at them. I haven't seen this on TV either... maybe tomorrow.?

[@ColaKitty9595]

I am a facepainter, and one of the very impressive "major" artists had her channel shut down because of "spam". Other channels were reuploading her tutorial videos. She challenged it and did get her channel back, but it was really startling to everyone in that community/industry

[@harasnicole]

Consent is such a fickle thing, and I believe that it varies from person to person. This situation involving Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller is an example of how gray consent can be. With Melanie's statement, she doesn't appear to deny that they had sex or that she penetrated Timothy with a dildo, so there's at least that confession, but this is literally a battle of she said/she said. Melanie allegedly assumed consent, but Timothy is telling a whole different story. If anything, their relationship sounds like it was toxic and emotionally manipulative. Melanie may have had her own demons, but she seems to have had the power and allegedly used it to her advantage. I don't know. This is just my two cents, whatever they're worth.

[@arch2717]

Consent really isn't a gray area. If you have to get someone mentally impaired in order to not get a no (and not even a yes at that point) you should probably not start having sex with them.

[@rainynight02]

Archimedes S That's assuming they got high simply so Timothy would be less likely to say "no."

[@sock1854]

When trying to defend herself, Melanie really fucked herself over when she said ‘she never said no.’ That is lack of consent. If there is no clear yes, that is not consent, there is no exception to that. Also, there’s the fact that Timothy says Melanie got her high. I feel like that’s just morally wrong, seeing as Melanie clearly had intentions of sleeping with her, and weed can skew your judgement and cause you to make decisions you wouldn’t otherwise make. It’s like getting someone drunk with the intent of sleeping with them. There is a clear motive there. I wholeheartedly believe Timothy and people need to stop defending Melanie because they like her music. Stop. Supporting. Rapists.

[@JestersmilesStream]

I am going to start walking around with contracts

[@sock1854]

Jestersmile's Stream That’s cool but just asking for consent is a lot more efficient

[@JestersmilesStream]

why? so she can lie later and say that she said no and have everyone believe her even though it just word vs word? No thnx, and plus have you never randomly kissed a person before? Welp guess that out the window.

[@sock1854]

Jestersmile's Stream But the thing is, Timothy did not say yes to what Melanie was doing, so she did not consent. Also, I don’t really think that kissing and rape are that comparable seeing as how different they are, but if you wanna go with that then sure. Would you kiss and continue to kiss someone who is clearly not into it, who is clearly sitting there as stiff as a board and who has said multiple times before that they do not want to be kissed?

[@JestersmilesStream]

"Timothy did not say yes to what Melanie was doing" according to her, you are just under the assumption that Timothy is telling the truth. There no proof to back either side but people like you already believing one over the other and if you want me to condemn Melanie and bury her career, I need more proof than one person's word.

[@MichaelBacon212]

Abuse is abuse and if it happened and it affected someone it isn't right. Consent and full consent is needed.

[@4godand4thegays73]

You can’t say that when Melanie hasn’t formally responded. It’s biased to take the side of someone who was ‘allegedly’ raped automatically. By formally I mean in a legal statement

[@panameadeplm]

How do you prove consent? Should a notary be present?

[@MichaelBacon212]

panameadeplm yeah i hear you on that but honestly if people know wrong from right and have to question of something isn't right then it most likely isn't. But I hear you.

[@EgoBrain1]

panameadeplm Give it a few years. All sexual context will need to have a signed and notarized document stating all acts that will be done filed 30 days before contact...at least that's what people are going to want to do so people don't accuse them of rape since anymore people treat these as guilty till proven innocent.

[@odoylerulz4885]

panameadeplm Exactly! Anyone can regret cheating and claim rape!

[@sofijasofija2867]

"she never said no, what WE CHOSE to do TOGETHER"

[@Candy_Flower]

EXACTLY!!! AND PEOPLE TO THIS DAY STILL USE THAT LINE OUT OF TERRIBILE CONTEXT!!!!!

[@kendrickdinger]

So..if a man is accused of rape without proof of evidence people are quick to side against him and say he did it, but if Melanie is accused of raping her friend people/fans say that they’ll still support her until there is evidence that she did it??

[@jasonpope4652]

Fr

[@bl4ckkn1g8t5]

Many men, have lost their jobs for much less.

[@TheDeadlyBlueWolf]

No!! For every rape accusation that's came forwards I've always been 100% skeptical until I have all the information. If there is no proof besides hearsay, I dismiss it as an allegation. I did it for Roy Moor (despite being a liberal), I did it for Louie CK, Harvey Winstine, partially everyone. Including this one. Don't lump everyone in this one sided bubble.

[@ressydm1]

Um. No. Most men keep their jobs as their word and their worth tends to be taken far more seriously than some emotional female, saying to "prove it" even though they were guilty as hell. It's only now that there seems to be some kind of focus on well, maybe some of those emotional females were actually telling the truth and just not being "emotional" or "female".

[@ace448]

Yep and this is the next bubble to pop. Women attackers. It benefits women and as a larger part feminism to portray women as victims. It gives the a lot of soft power which is leveraged into hard power. To reverse this destroys that power and forces an honest conversation which most feminists and many women don’t want. Also look who gains and what changes.

[@Stepharchives]

The fact that Timothy tried to stay friends with melanie is scary. THEY BOTH NEED HELP PERIOD.

[@exloster9624]

Idk... I've been in that situation, with my half brother and... It's complicated.

[@Meekox]

This Martines rape allegation is weird, Hellers wording was a little weird I got impression that what she was saying "I said no but at the same time she was my best friend and I didn't mind". I would like to hear more about Melanie's side if she really did force Heller or not. And I'm also sceptical about the best friend part, its always easier to say no to a best friend than to a friend

[@alimar3127]

TehChizzle people are just going crazy with rape allegations

[@kaycgrocks]

Yes. Man or woman the case is still fucking confusing/weird.

[@mophead_xu]

No ... look at the power play. Look at the power dynamics, based on Timothy's "confession". She feels indebted to Melanie. She thinks she owes Melanie something. She _submitted_ to Melanie. She may call Melanie as her "best friend" but that friendship is definitely not equal. Melanie had more power. In a way, to put it roughly, you can say that she feels she owes Melanie so much that she thinks she's a _property of_ Melanie, like she belongs to her. That, along with the two nights Melanie kept bugging her about it, made her reluctant to say no. I'm not saying what she claimed was 100% true, I'm just explaining the scenario based on her claim. It's really interesting to me because it seems similar to how emotional abusers break down the victims yet we can't exactly say that their relationship was abusive

[@mophead_xu]

I guess you can even say it's somewhat similar to Stockholm Syndrome

[@strawberry3265]

Ok, I looked at it, and i tried to give everyone a happy ending. -Timothy said it happened 2 years ago, she never went to the cops, but then PUBLICLY POSTED IT ON TWITTER EVEN AFTER SAYING SHE DIDN'T WANT TO LET THAT MANY PEOPLE TO KNOW Little fishy Timothy, Huh? but, -Mel didn't deny the sex or drugs, but said she didn't say no, but that doesn't mean she said yes either... -Timothy said she was tired and high and remained silent. - They were both really good friends already. I think Mel is innocent until proven guilty. If she is guilty, ok... I won't be a fan anymore. But I'm leaning toward Mel right now.

[@Two-zj3rd]

"She never said no to what we chose to do together"

[@FrauStormm]

“She never said no” IS NOT CONSENT❗️❗️❗️Melanie doesn’t deny the part about her bugging and manipulating her best friend to let her touch her and sleep with her. Anyone with a heart will leave someone alone once they show they’re not interested. Especially after 2 nights of her telling Melanie she just wanted to sleep. Melanie’s response was way too short and explained nothing. If she was innocent, she would’ve gone into detail and denied way more than just “She never said no”. She’s clearly guilty of something.

[@bradpolmateer4801]

Sierra's Lisp sexual bullying

[@JohnSmith-ix8ob]

Reminder that unconsensual sex would be rape. If true, Martinez still did not rape her. What she did was wrong and you shouldn't pressure someone like that, but it is NOT rape.

[@arleneodonnell6187]

I was taught that anything other than a enthusiastic yes means no. For example silence means no. No means no. A question means no. Shrugging your shoulders means no.

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

Nobody in the world gets a verbal "yes" for every sex act they engage in though. Now, maybe they should. But that is not the way people currently behave. And if we're going to develop more healthy social norms surrounding consent. We first have to be honest about the weird norms that we have at the moment.

[@JohnSmith-ix8ob]

+Arlene Odonnell That doesn't make it rape. It's not rape if you do not indicate is rape while the rape is about to occur or is occuring.

[@Nikkimorox1]

Sadly i think this happened due to there being a huge misunderstanding due to lack of miscommunication, they were both close friends and also young at the time. They obviously both partaked in drug use when it happened too. I can understand the freezin part but i can also understand that there was no signal for martinez to stop. I know im probably going to get shit for this comment but i can see both sides.

[@winterups8072]

Okay but Melanie's instagram comments are amazing. People are commenting vine references because her career is dead just like vine. Also IF YA DON'T HEAR A "YES" IT'S NOT CONSENT, CONSENT ISN'T THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

[@MartinaGiovese]

Not saying no isn't the same as saying yes. Consent is willingly and knowingly agreeing to the act. A lack of answer is just as good as no answer.

[@fizwinkle1587]

Innocent until proven guilty. Simple words won't convince me.And what throws me off the most is that she took this to twitter..like wtf..oh I got raped let me take this to social media!

[@vethir]

not everything can come with proof please, put yourself is someone else's shoes for once. do you think there would be proof if you were raped? by a girl who wouldn't be able to leave dna evidence? please, actually imagine this scenario. not getting proof does NOT make it okay for a rapist to get away. we have enough proof with melanie's response.

[@teisalombard5998]

unwichtig so if you don’t have proof, take it to social media? That doesn’t make sense to me

[@aianio4932]

unwichtig it's not an admission tho so no it's not a proof

[@kagepro]

she couldn't go to the police two years after it happened, and even so there is a really small chance that the police could actually do anything about it

[@Wacko.Zacho97]

Rad Brah Two years later?

[@vxrdaunt]

As for the believing all victims, that's just dumb. No matter what the crime is, whether it's murder, robbery, or any other crime, we HAVE to have skepticism towards the accuser. A good amount of it, too. That's how the U.S. justice system works: The defendant is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Always.

[@MoonDance_Comic]

This can still be a reminder ANYONE can RAPE ANYONE. The sex doesn't matter, it can still happen. Saying no once or more should've been a message of a no, regardless of friendship. Real friends don't force friends to do things they don't want to do, or in any relationship.

[@ninab9607]

I definitely think that silence does not = consent. Consent is so incredibly important and should be clear when someone is involved with another person. No matter whats going on with "who's right" in the Melanie Martinez case if a person says no or doesn't say yes, it is wrong.

[@KatanaKatz]

Nina B Yeah it depends. Someone could be quiet and want the acts to be done to them without saying yes or no. But sometimes someone could probably be really fuked up and cant say yes or no. I feel like if these allegations are true, there was some other drug(s) or alcohol involved.

[@PewZipZappity]

YES ONCE MORE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@ninjanutzforfun1105]

It's not rape. If she never said no then she obviously wanted it. Seriously silence doesn't equal consent? Rape usually envolves screaming no and for help or being drugged and we'll she wasn't drugged so yeah she just thinks all men are rapist pigs like every other ignorant crazy feminist

[@bevilhive]

sometimes silence is consent, despite all these empty slogans.

[@theautarch7837]

NinjaNutz ForFun+ Whoa, whoa. What happened to listen and believe?

[@thatssorissa9923]

Okay but let me ask you this if you were "sexually assaulted" why would you dress up as your "assaulter" not just once but twice? Why wouldn't you go to the police? Why didn't she leave to her bf's house she was with at the time? Why years later? Why right before she drops her album? And lastly why don't her dates match up? Js.

[@vessicagames147]

Okay first of all, when you’ve been abused by someone you thought you knew and loved it’s probably such an influx of emotions. We can’t make assumptions if we’ve never been in that position. She said she denied it since she was her best friend. And also rape victims don’t want to remember the EXACT date that something horrible happened to them. They’d want to forget.

[@thatssorissa9923]

Vessica Games I have been in that position so don't just assume. I was raped. Like actually raped. He took me out on a date but drove me into the country where no one was saying he knew this "cool spot" (he was someone I trusted) there was no one there. No where to run. No where for my screams to be heard. Before I know it he was looming over me naked I didn't just give in I fought but I just wasn't strong enough. Timothy on the other hand I believed it until I read the full story and saw her timeline didn't match up and she has bdp which can cause you to alter your truths/reality that's why Melanie stopped being her friend because her illness was too much for Melanie to handle. I normally wouldn't have believed Melanie was innocent but I've seen proof that she is. Just my opinion

[@whatamidoingwithmylife5044]

Larissarosexoxo omg that's awful! I pray for you! I wish I could hug u (or if that is weird I'll just bring u cupcakes.) if you don't like cupcakes then.... Idk .... WHATEVER you like!

[@thatssorissa9923]

Amazing Cate lol thanks!

[@charl3418]

also, do NOT bring bpd into this, bpd symptoms do not include impulsive lying, yes dissociation would be counted as your reality being altered (depending on what type of dissociation) but as someone who dissociates frequently, i don't make up rape accusations or tell lies

[@tehribbons1192]

I love Melanie's music but "she never said no"? Uhm...I can't believe she said that? Like even if the allegations prove false the way she worded that just wow.

[@JohnDoe-yw8zz]

Teh Ribbons think about it like this, shes lived her whole life a women having to be afraid of someone who would rape her just to be accused of the raping, she doesn't know whats going on or how to handle the situation. She even thought it was ok and that they were friends.

[@jfkonlsd1364]

I don't know .being accused of raping someone that u had sexual intercourse with and they never said no, that seems like a pretty standard response. What would you rather her say?

[@CommanderWaddles]

Ikr, she didn't deny any of the other details, so either she was aware of what she was doing, or she's used to doing things with bicurious/straight girls who don't show signs of being aroused/into it but still does things to them anyways ( in this era this is actually very common behavior some females exhibit, it's fucking disgusting ). But we don't know the truth for this situation yet so all we cn really do is share opinions. & that thing some girls do being so common could be why Tim didn't push her off or anything in the moment ( besides the whole freezing due to shock possibility ) or tell jer to stop. She probably felt like this should be okay & that she'd be the buzzkill for telling her to stop & that something's wrong with her for not being into it. Idk though.

[@roachfriedman1157]

bibhusa bista your logic there makes no sense. If two people have sex. Neither of them say yes to consent. Who was raped?

[@Dasqal]

bibhusa bista Not a single time in all of history has there been this verbal "I permit you to have sexual relations with me" consent.

[@ihvojd]

Does make me wonder if Hot Topic is going to pull all of Melanie Martinez’s merchandise off from there stores and online shop?

[@angelacanedit]

N R they should

[@kam3028]

If not hot topic is really canceled

[@LilLeanCuisine]

N R Yes, probably.

[@jaquelinezini]

probably brands will try to distance themselves from people due to some minor issue... you can imagine that something like THIS would make a brand run away from the person

[@JaneDoe-vs3hc]

Zac Crow yes it is.

[@michaelaegge8808]

Concerning the rape, I think many people may subconsciously think of this situation differently, being that female rapists are so much less common than male. However, I've seen so many people since the news taking a stance and reaffirming the evil of the action - regardless of gender or orientation. I was pretty happy to see the practically wholesale condemnation of Melanie Martinez, especially by those who were previously "stans" (I learned a new word). I gotta say though, the fact that some of the people in the comments seem almost *excited* by the news because of the possibility of catching certain groups being hypocritical is....weird? Yeah, weird.

[@katherinewaddell373]

Important notes on Timothy, she makes these acusations as her album is about to drop, there are holes in the story she tells both on twitter and to a new outlet and it causes me to look further into it. Based on the timeline from instagram photos posted and other social media content they weren't even together when she claims the molestation took place.

[@religiondoesntpaytaxes7861]

The friendship didn't end because of the so and so sexual assault. The friendship ended because the sex predator didn't want to hang out with her anymore. The note is sketchy AF. I swear to God. I just read it again on her twitter and it's cringy. She said that she has a history of sexual abuse with different people but for some reason, She singled out Melanie.

[@evilmelody661]

i believe she singled out melanie because she's a lot of small children's idols. she does not want 12 year olds looking up to a rapist and you have no idea what happened with her past cases of sexual abuse so do not assume things you know nothing about.

[@user-vf1fz1pp5d]

Maybe she did it because Melaine is well known and I hope she's not doing this to boost her career because thats disgusting. And why didnt she tell the cops yet?

[@tabicervi]

Exactly 🙌👏

[@religiondoesntpaytaxes7861]

ayy bro and Belle Denise She couldn't admit the fact that she CHEATED so she made it look like the experience was SEXUAL ASSAULT. If Melanie had a knife or a gun, Wouldn't she have ran out while screaming out of there? Knife and gun is threatening but experimenting with your BFF is not. She's a coward because she couldn't be honest and say that she was equally just as curious as Melanie. Using a little bit of weed as a scapegoat. A little bit of weed is not going to paralyze you like alcohol. She wasn't passed out or anything like that. Using the “I was shocked” phrase as a scapegoat. It's like you knew what you were going to get for your birthday because the person who gave you the gift kept telling you about it for days but you pretend like you're shocked when you opened the gift. Using the “She had control over me” phrase as a scapegoat. First of all, Melanie is younger than her and if this happened when Melanie is 17 and she was 19, That is technically statutory rape and Melanie is the one who can legally persecute her for a crime. Second of all, Melanie had no connection with her assets or bank account or possessions. They were not married or related to each other. Melanie had no legal control of her life in any way. She kept coming to Melanie knowing what Melanie wanted from her. Third of all, She was sexually abused by other people but she highlighted Melanie. She only mentioned Melanie. Basically, This is not about her trauma in life. This is about Melanie. She wants to destroy her life because Melanie wasn't with her when she needed her the most and Melanie cut their friendship out. The only defense that people will hold on to is the “consent” factor. She didn't say “yes” so it means she didn't want it. But when you look at the other details in the story, You're going to realize just how stupid you are for siding with the accuser.

[@bellemohl]

WE NEED TO TREAT THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST MELANIE THE SAME WE DID AGAINST WEINSTEIN. IT DOESNT CHANGE BECAUSE SHES A WOMAN. AND IT DOESNT CHANGE IF YOU STAN HER. UNTIL FURTHER NOTICTED #melaniemartineziscancelled

[@cookiemonster3518]

Belle Mohl what does stan mean?

[@xxmuyaxx]

I do wanna point out what Harvey Weinstein did was power/sexual harassment. Different kind of power and manipulation happened there and really evil. All terrible but I don't think its same thing.

[@taxuenowoz4038]

Until 👏I👏See👏A👏police👏Report 👏GTFO Seriously just go to the police

[@DB1Dragoon]

Burning man there isn't enough proof to put her in jail or successfully sue so it's word v. word. It seems since you like her you believe her word. That's fine.

[@DB1Dragoon]

Cookie Monsters Listen to the song Stan by Eminem and there you go.

[@thecreativeaces]

Rule of thumb: make sure, absolutely sure, the person says yes or some equivalence to yes. Otherwise, assume no.

[@jameslewis7560]

YES THANK YOU!!!

[@jasonnguyen1840]

Timothy Heller conveniently release her single titled "Sleep" the next day after accusing a rising Singer of rape. I'm not buying her story. Sounded like her friend gained fame and she's jealous.

[@luminouslapis]

She didn't actually, she released it in October and it has been pinned since then too.

[@auroraborealis675]

+Bruh Chan do you know this for sure?

[@luminouslapis]

Look at her pinned post "Sleep" on her twitter. It was posted since October.

[@sol-of8rg]

Bruh Chan what I dont understand is why did she dress up as her rapist?! Like cmon?!

[@luminouslapis]

Timothy stated that she and Melanie stayed friends for a while after the incident as she was in denial in happened. Melanie also did her makeup.

[@jamesburgess2k]

Is there any "evidence" or "proof" for rape or sexual abuse? People keep saying they won't believe the accuser unless they have proof, but what would that be? Especially since someone decides to come out after their possible scars/bruises have healed. Most people don't have cameras recording them, they're usually alone, and the "abuser" will almost always deny the accusation. I honestly have no idea what could constitute as evidence, so could anyone give me some examples?

[@danielponcianodiaz176]

she kinda admitted to it ironically enough, she said "she never said no", which is a terrible excuse. If she had just flat out denied it i would be with you here, but she definitely shot herself in the foot with her response, it shows what kind of person she is to be honest.

[@johndaly2816]

10,000 Subscribers without Videos yes. Thats why victim usually go to the police after the incident. Police will then ask doctors to find evidence by examining the body. That is why people are skeptical with people who just came out now. If u think u were raped why didnt report it to the police right away.

[@pauldempsey66]

10,000 Subscribers without Videos so what just take their word for it and lock them up?

[@Mars-dg5pl]

10,000 Subscribers without Videos let me tell you, right after the incident that is when you go and get a rape kit andpolice report done, the police will handle it and find any evidence out of the rape kit and make their case out of that, that's why these rape allegations that come out 5-30 years later, can't be believed the evidence is gone they had the chance and they did not take it, that's why they should not be taken as fact, because in the same since someone can just come out tomorrow and say they got raped 3 years ago, and with your logic we should just listen and believe and throw the accused in jail, and if not that then their reputation will be ruined, they will be labeled as a rapist and never be able to get a job have a social life excetera for any or no reason by the Accuser.

[@nateperkins9860]

I will wait for either more people or evidence, I am a skeptical person, so....

[@brendanshopland706]

Thank you Phil for covering the Melanie Martinez accusations

[@ChrisP977]

I believe that we need to listen and consider the validity any time a victim comes forward. One thing that has been bothering me as all of these stories come forward is the publicity that these people seek out. If you want justice you don't necessarily need to hang everyone's underwear out on the bushes. There is a proper way to take care of these things. For example, if I were to be sexually assaulted I would go to the police, my religious leaders (even though I am hardly religious right now), or my parents (even though I live ways away from them). There are resources available to all, but not all of it needs to be publized, especially accuzations.

[@aesoprock2556]

>we need to listen and consider the validity any time a victim comes forward Yes. Many of these sexual assault cases are different in different ways and it's important to vet stories. I couldn't agree more.

[@ChrisP977]

Ember Flair That is a pretty big if, a lot of people could get hurt from false allegations. If people want to talk about this in a more private scene I would be much more supportive. If someone was to come to me with a report I would personally listen and validate them. What more are they going to get from ruining someone else's life whether their story be true or false?

[@aesoprock2556]

On the flip side what if Martinez is a serial female rapist? Meaning she knowingly and willingly only rapes women because there is no physical evidence (e.g. seaman) to be found ? The only other strong physical evidence I can think of is if there is std's or sti's involved which is traceable. If that were the case my opinion of Tim may change significantly. The implications of woman on woman rape are pretty darn scary.

[@juanmanuellatorre6779]

"Philli D" sounds like an STD "My friend got the Philly D"

[@StarZilian]

Idk I'm not gonna take any side with the Melanie thing until I know more. There's always the possibility she did indeed do what was said and is trying to cover her ass; but it's also completely possible that they had relations with consent and something happened between them and this girl is trying to take Melanie down (or there are even multiple possibilities other than that too). I'm not saying either case is true because I don't know. Do any of us? No. Because we weren't directly involved. We are all just outsiders looking in until the full truth is revealed and proven. (though Melanie saying "she didn't say no" did definitely throw me off; but I still won't say she definitely did it because as stated earlier I DONT know because I wasn't involved)

[@youthmember9981]

EyesLikeStardust great now you have to take that approach with almost any rape allegation

[@StarZilian]

That is how I approach almost any rape allegation ; you never really know what happened until revealed and proven, whether it be between a male and a female, 2 females or 2 males etc.

[@WolfyboiRTCT]

This person is reasonable and not one to jump into conclusions! Nice!

[@cello1993]

Youth Member, not really. Trying to sound smart by painting the world black and white doesn't help your argument. Dozens of women accusing a man of sexual assault with explicit accounts is an extremely different scenario to two girls each telling one side to the story, and no, it has nothing to do with the gender.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Youth Member - Case by case. If it's something like Cosby or Weinstein where there's a SHIT TON of different examples, you can safely bet there's an issue. Cases like Melanie Martinez and George Takei, where there are few (or only one) accuser, that's where nuance is needed, because it's basically a he said-she said situation.

[@RB-nj4py]

“It seems like everyone’s been raped nowadays” No not really this shit has been happening for years. Difference is that now people are speaking up. So it only seems that theres an epidemic of rape accusations.

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

I'm Not gonna waste time arguing with you true

[@CMichaelEH]

no one is asking the truly important question: why is that one woman's name Timothy?

[@organicstorm]

ЛевМЭХ ha-ha, that is what I was thinking

[@meli9976]

i think about this the whole day straight

[@signeandreasson7291]

I just think of rodents, timothy hay lol

[@nectar9509]

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@shanyiathomas7698]

Saaammmeeee

[@clarebear2803]

I think there is a lot of flaws with the accusations I read into it before I came to any conclusions being someone who has been wrongly accused of rape by my best friend of five years I know people can easily do these things and look real and because of this I still stand with melonie it took me several days to come with this conclusion and lots of studying not just coming to the conclusion No hate plz that's not fair

[@keisha8270]

clarabear -a I know right... isn't it weird how after this Timothy got a lot of publicity... she was purposely harming Melanie's reputation

[@clarebear2803]

thank god someone who looks into things before they make a final conclusion

[@kittenlove127]

clarabear -a k