Best Selling Guitars In 2023. KYG Guitar Podcast

[@johnnolan4312]

342 episodes!!! CRAZY!! time flies, thanks so much for all you do

[@gsbguitarsgsb679]

I used to take my guitars to a tech because I didn’t know how to do a lot of the things I wanted done and I didn’t trust myself to modify my guitars correctly. I finally stepped up and learned how to tech my own guitars, bought a bunch of tools and miscellaneous guitar parts over several years. There are still some things I haven’t done and probably won’t attempt to do. Like refrets, broken headstocks. Finish work or paint unless it’s mine and not super fancy or professionally done at the factory or custom shop or whatever. Anything else that would be technically beyond my skill level I won’t do. I’m comfortable with where I’m at now. Most of my guitars have the mods and features I want and I don’t have the crazy ideas I used to have because I read about something in a guitar mag. I’ve spent hundreds of dollars chasing things that never worked the way I invisioned. It’s so cringy to think back on those days and how much of a buffoon I was. Probably still am. Talk about learning the hard way. I always seem to make things as hard as I possibly can for myself. Ok enough, sorry. Bye…

[@angusorvid8840]

Cort makes excellent guitars at unbeatable prices under their own brand...and they make great guitars under just about every other brand.

[@DjowZDjowZ-de8xd]

And pretty replicas ❤

[@AkiraThomo]

Their basses are some of if not the best in their price range.

[@shanewalton8888]

They don't make them under the Fujigen brand, who make better guitars than Cort.

[@AkiraThomo]

@@shanewalton8888 why would they, it’s a completely different company and brand? Plus completely price points

[@kirkscobey3031]

I’ve owned a couple over the years starting in 1985 and found them better than most imports

[@wuldntuliktonoptb6861]

Damn Phil that’s what I call going WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND in your disclosures to remain unbiased. Then you made sure to answer the question blind. This is the reason you are so trusted and beloved here in KZbin brother!

[@jimsliverootsculturemusic]

That was not the acoustic guitar humidity discussion I expected! In Minnesota, I've got guitars that have done well in this climate without special care but when I buy something from other parts of the country, that's when the trouble begins. This year, I'm keeping everything in a hard case with a homemade sponge & soap box humidifier. For guitars known to have issues, I'm using Daddario Maintain packs in the case. Not sure what'll happen but it should be better than last season.

[@msh6865]

I use simple baby oil as a fret board conditioner. The primary ingredient is mineral oil of course and a small travel-sized bottle is less than $3 in my area. Works great!

[@lone-wolf-1]

I also use baby oil. Works perfect: cheap, no nasty smell and does not deteriorate over time. Lately I emptied the left over from my son, he‘s 28 now. But it HAS to be mineral oil. I noticed some are made with natural oils. So it‘s important to read the ingredients before buying!😊

[@BrentAdams]

Cort "branded" Guitars have been on my radar for years. They offer some fantastic guitars at very good prices. I own 3 right now.

[@lone-wolf-1]

My last two bought used where the Cort M-200 and SSS G-110. Very light body and very resonant. They are great, nor just for the price!

[@BrentAdams]

@@lone-wolf-1 I have a Cort CL1000 as my L.P. style guitar, after selling my Matt Guitar Murphy model...and really being sorry afterwards. My main bass is a basic Cort, and then I found a CL1500 (hollow body!) that someone swapped pickups to Guitar Fetish Gold Foil style...and I'm not sorry!🙂

[@bradmiller813]

great show as usual, thanks for getting the MAX set up again love the savings.

[@areyoukind1955]

Another consideration for the amazon/budget guitar sales not showing in used is they are typically bought by those who see them as a major purchase no matter where they are in age. It's a disposable income thing and also some are buying them as a 1st guitar and then maybe not learning or playing much but they have the thought that one day they will go back.

[@msmoniz]

I'm in Southern Ontario Canada so basically North Eastern U.S climate wise. My electric guitars hang on the wall in my finished basement(poured concrete foundation). I started controlling the humidity in the basement about 2 years ago and the difference in tuning stability has been dramatic. In the summer, even with central air conditioning, I would have humidity level get near 70% or more, where as in the winter with a forced air natural gas furnace, it would drop to below 20%! Now i run a small dehumidifier in the summer, and a cool mist humidifier in the winter to keep the humidity level between a consistent 45-60%. Made a huge difference for me with my guitars as I have to tune them far less due to dramatic humidity swings.

[@howardthrust]

Nice work once again, Phil! I agree about "throwing money" @ a NEW "bargain git"... SO inadvisable vs. just purchasing the factory's "upgraded" model. I feel exactly the OPPOSITE about embarking on a "Resto-Mod" involving a lower-priced (non-collector...yet) "vintage git". If one "Knows Their Gear" AND a good Luthier/Builder, the end result should be far MORE satisfying than a typical commissioned "Custom Shop Build"...and far LESS expensive!

[@edc3093]

I have some premium guitar amps. But, one of my favorites remains my Blackstar HT-5R combo as a bedroom amp (MkI). It came with a 12" speaker, which I paid about $425.00 new in box from GC when the MkII version was about to be released. It came with the channel pedal, and headphone jack uses preamp power. It is compact, and the distortion sounds good for the price. It serves its purpose well!

[@kenhaze5230]

It's incredible how much there is to know just about models even from major manufacturers. I had never heard of the Aerodyne series. They seem interesting to me. Thanks!

[@jerrymcdaniel4539]

I just took advantage of the Stewmac offer. Membership, fret kisser with understring file and the precision notched straightedge. Happy Birthday to me. Hitting the big 60 next month.

[@gregchisholm7843]

Phil, I was thinking about your comments about younger players buying more Tele's VS Strats, but I think it's that Strat players are opting for the Silver Sky SE for their strat instead of Squier or Fender just based on quality and price.

[@Levelheadd]

Thanks Phil. Have a good week. 🎸 ✌🏼

[@twobarsfourstars]

Awesome to hear you’re working on your own tracks, can’t wait to hear!!

[@calebmorales6288]

On the Silver Sky, I can imagine it has been harder to move used units when the new units are 20% (28% off if you buy from a retailer with a 10% off coupon. There’s a few out there!)

[@chancemiller9340]

The Silver Sky is a Strat, so young people don’t mind crossing over to PRS SE models, but older people aren’t as likely to do that. So younger people may still be buying more Strats than Teles, it’s just not always a Fender Strat. That’s ridiculously obvious.

[@KevinNolin]

That lbx-s is a good amp. I found the wattage switch wasn't that effective, however it has a great volume taper so it still gets quiet.

[@schreds8882]

Just bought my Christmas present from me, to me. 😊 Got myself a Princeton Reverb Tonemaster. I have a vintage Princeton in my studio which I dearly love but in my office with its carpeting, drapes, highly flammable wood and cloth furniture, it seemed a bad idea to place a high voltage tube amp there. The Tonemaster is worth every penny folks. It sounds the business. There is the question of whether it's repairable long-term but I refuse to worry about that now. I'm just having a great time rocking my Tele.

[@onlyguitars]

O got an USA last year and is fantastic but couldn’t justify 2 strat style guitars and in particular both at high price. Got later a silver sky se and thought it was great but again was good with one strat and the sold it. And now neede to reduce guitars and got one of the maple ones and yeah. The silver sky se is such a fantastic guitar. The core is better for sure , more perfect more premium, but the se is already so good and for the price difference, is just a no brainer I think. In contrast I don’t like much the player series. Is just feels ok to me but doesn’t excites that much and feel the need to upgrade. Don’t feel that with none of the SE guitars I’ve had , and I’ve had the core counterpart of 2 of the SE’s I’ve had and really. Core is work of art, great, but the SE I’m very happy and satisfied and don’t have the urge to upgrade or lack of excitement when I play them. The other is the DGT SE. which Is just a fantastic guitar. Amazing PRS. Lasts year I liked them but now I’m really a prs fanboy hehe.

[@CellZealot]

I have an '81 DiMarzio double cream bobbin PAF in the bridge position on my '78 ES-175. It's fairly hot for a PAF at 8.5 ohms impedance.

[@johnro6659]

I own a couple older Cort guitars and they are pretty good. I have to say about 90% of my collection of guitars were preowned. I get the best deals that way. I am a little fussy about condition I want my guitars to be pretty much at least an 8 out of 10 in condition. I have been very lucky with Guitar Center. Usually I won't buy preowned online but GC has been really good at the condition listed. I have bought many that they say are in good condition that IMO are in like new condition. I have bought several guitars that the guitar was worth what I paid if it was all original but had upgraded pups that were worth more than the guitar they were in. I also like to buy guitars that need work a cracked neck broken headstock are ones I love to find and fix.

[@zuperdee]

Besides Cort, Samick is another good one that makes guitars under its own brand as well as for others like Squier.

[@ChrisEck13]

Samick used to be a big manufacturer like Cort. Squier have been made by just about every manufacturer out there. But most Squiers haven't been made by Samick in recent years. Samick used to make Epiphones as well, but Epiphone makes their own guitars now. Samick really is nowhere close to Cort today.

[@zuperdee]

@@ChrisEck13 Interesting… I hadn’t realized that Samick had shrunk that much! I wonder what happened… I have seen reviews out there of original “branded” Samick models too, some of which were rather original and interesting.

[@ToddH76]

Samick makes that new Kim thayil guild Polara. The 899 price tag seems really high

[@ChrisEck13]

@zuperdee I think Epiphone opening their own facility was a big loss for Samick and they got left behind when Chinese and Indonesian factories started to catch up to, and in some cases pass, Korean facilities in terms of quality, capability, and price.

[@le_th_]

Bummer! I didn't get a notification and missed the live stream! Hope to see you next week, I'll watch the video.

[@anthonyalfredyorke1621]

Thanks for another great show Phil, have a wonderful Christmas and New year & love & health to you and your family. PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.

[@claudiajay8291]

?? Phil talk about wiring up a guitar …which wire to use???

[@rhugh02]

Im older and bought the Amer Pro 2, LOL my favorite guitar at the moment. Sweet guitat

[@Sticky_Tea]

Maybe the SE Silver Sky is the highest selling new one on the list because it's not available at a lot of nearby shops for people People have to resort to reverb

[@AdrianBoisclair]

Bro. You're fucking awesome, dude. A bright light in a dark world. A really cool role model for the younger generations. Just keep doing what you're doing. I'm not sure if you're going out of your way to be a good person, but after probably watching at least a hundred or two of your videos over the course of the past few years it's obvious you are genuinely a good person. I hella respect how you conduct your business and are thoughtful of your viewers and hardcore fans. Everyone else, If you can read this hit that subscribe button!

[@AkiraThomo]

Cort Basses are so bloody good. I had a b5 for a while and it’s by far the best modern bass in its price range. I’ve now got an A5 plus and again at £900 nothing can touch it

[@lloydfranks1357]

Phil!! you have a very smart MOM!!! I love her caricature. Got love that wisdom!!

[@dw7704]

It seems ridiculous that DiMarzio can trademark stuff like double cream bobbins But then I don’t like the look of the double creams for the guitars I own, so it isn’t important But it does seem ridiculous

[@enterprisesoftwarearchitect]

I’ve bought 2 silver sky’s - once you here it! Wow! Put a Floyd Tose on it - had to shim the neck to keep the action right. It’s the first one of my 15 guitars that people pick up, compared to my signature yngwie, Satriani, Strandberg, other PRS, Taylor, Godin, Schecter, ec.

[@TheZynMan]

My first guitar was a Cort flat top LP-shape that I was too stupid to appreciate. Yeah it was a beginner instrument but it felt and played among the most comfortable instruments I've ever owned. One of my big guitar regrets is letting that instrument go in a trade that got me something "better" (read as: more expensive but worse) from a cooler brand. I hate how dumb I was.

[@myoptik3x103]

Sorry I missed the livestream, but I love the show!

[@wuldntuliktonoptb6861]

Stew Mac pays for itself the first time ya try saving a few bucks and blow a fret leveling, a refret, a truss rod, a nut. Some things ya can get cheaper elsewhere that are just fine, generally that something ya can get the same brand of somewhere else. As far as things like files and useful luthier tools it’s worth spending the extra money.

[@jmcgregor316]

I have one guitar that I have upgraded. It is a hand picked Vintage brand S type guitar. The frets wore out after a few years. I replaced the neck with a Warmoth roasted maple with SS frets and installed Sperzel tuners. It is very nice and will last a long time. I never sell my guitars so I don't consider it a investment. I just enjoy the guitar.

[@DaringDan]

Phil talking about Gibson and patents, making a great point and then drinking from a Fender coffee mug was chef's kiss level shade and it was 100% unintentional which made it all the more amusing.

[@shawnbenz]

Teles, strats then Gibson Les Paul studio, then prs

The Music Nomad One cleaner is incredible. I don’t know what’s in it, but it works better than anything else, including naphtha, but is mild.

[@azdavidza]

My anecdotal experience backs up younger players preferring non-Strat guitars. I know 4 new guitar players this year between 20-40 who purchased their first guitar. 3 of 4 bought teles or jazzmasters. Only 1 of 4 (the oldest of the bunch) bought a Strat.

[@VanjaSpirin]

I have a good sounding strat, but strats have allways been an uninspiring guitars to me. On the other side, the only guitar I am really craving is HSS Suhr. But this is not standard strat.

[@jessethetodd]

The Amazon/meme guitars are too cheap to go through the hassle of reselling on reverb - they either sell locally or just let them sit unused

[@martinbayliss1504]

Surprised not to see Eastman on the new list. For a custom shop guitar with top grade materials and parts, they really are fantastic value.

[@leonardharverson8660]

Only just clocked that Wilhelm scream. No idea why I didn’t before!

[@tk75jo]

The metal baseplate on a tele bridge pickup, a P90 and a humbucker is an essential feature. That's one of the major differences from a Strat Single Coils. DiMarzio have special humbuckers where the metal base plate doesn't have physical contact with the magnets. They are called Airbuckers and people usually put then in the neck. It's like the humbucker sounding versions of tele pickups where you have no baseplate on the neck pickup and then you have a baseplate on the bridge pickup.

[@tiagoramalhais5493]

I have 4 Cort branded guitars, great quality for what you pay, it's a shame they discontinued two of their best designs some years ago the M and Zenox series ... I don't know if that was part of the deal they have now with PRS as those model lines shared some design points with them and could be seen as competition. Anyway for me the best sleeper low priced used guitar is the M600/M700, IMHO they're better quality than the PRS SEs and are much cheaper in the used market.

[@scottenglert4083]

HEY - WHO ARE YOU CALLING OLD ??? (me triggered and yelling...) hahaha - just kidding - I didn't even buy a guitar this year... at least I don't think I did :) Great show - really great bunch of topics ! Enjoy the weekend, Phil !

[@jonathanorenstein4400]

Hey Phil. Do you have a video on how you do guitar setups?

[@stephenmaestas6426]

Upgrading an inexpensive guitar can give you more satisaction than buying a $6oo + guitar, but... If you want to sell it, you are screwed. Same with cars. I've watched the Mecham auto auctions and I have seen resto-mods with over $100K sunk into them sell for measly $40K. Conversely, a fully restored classic will make a profit.

[@RobertFisher1969]

Not only are younger players buying fewer Strats, many that might buy a Strat are buying a Silver Sky or a Fiore. Fender choosing not to bend-over backwards to make Mayer happy gave the #3 a chance to steal a serious chunk of their market that all the other clones weren’t. But I’m hoping these trends mean we get more Squier Jaguar options for this old guy who just wants an inexpensive Jaguar and wants more options than they currently offer.

[@Dave062YT]

I'm 61 and own 3 Teles and zero Strats But I'm also a new player so maybe we are drawn to the simplicity .

[@ellesnyder942]

Imagine how much higher on the list the Revstar would be if people didn't have to wait a year to get one.

[@ratwynd]

It took me a good long time to see one in my local shop, RSS02T w/ P90s. I didn't even play it in the shop. Sales guy at Kevins in JAX walked around a rack with it in his hand and I just looked at it and told him " that one is mine" and bought it. Best electric in the herd. Few months latter bought the 'bucker version too. Both get more play than all my other electrics. So good I played it for 3 months before I tweaked the setup. Near perfect out of the gig bag. Almost a year now and it is still my #1, above a G6128T Gretsch and Gibson ES335 Dot. My #3 is a Backlund Rockerbox heavily moded with custom P90s instead of 'buckers and a master volume with treble bleed. No need to mod the Revstars at all so far.

[@kkjhn41]

This whole scuffle over trademarks for pickups led to the 57 Classic Zebra coils, one black one creme on my LP.

[@gsbguitarsgsb679]

The metal plate is part of the tele unique honk or quack or however you want to describe that sound from back when they first came to be. Although as Phill says it’s not a major huge thing that folks like to cling onto. That’s why Gibson has astronomical prices, lawyers…

[@nikola44]

Thanks!

[@vansongs]

Fender Tex-Mex bridge pickup has a plastic base plate.

[@woodystemms3799]

Trademark is a very complicated, and confusing, legal construct. It is international in scope, and is very unforgiving of mistakes. It is expensive to apply for in the first place, requires a great deal of research ( both Federal *and* every state register ) and the attorneys who handle it are specialists who are *very* well paid. ( On the other hand, for a business, it's all a write-off. )

[@ChrisEck13]

Cortek is taking over the whole industry. 20 years from now they might make every product for every brand.

[@rvaguitars]

They build better than fender so it might not be so bad lol

[@ChrisEck13]

@@rvaguitars Fender certainly has had their fair share of issues in the past few years, but once a company gets so big that no one else can compete they generally stop caring about the consumer. Its really looking like it will get to the point that no one can compete with Cort because they're so big that no one else can manufacture gear without charging multiple times more than Cort. If that happens, it's probably not going to be the best for the consumer.

[@aureliusandthespiral]

With so many companies pulling out of the area over the last year, do you think Epiphone will stay where it is?

[@Mtlatc]

Caught the first 30 minutes live. Hope to make that a habit. 👍

[@ES335CD]

Wouldn't the used number be skewed with the amount of dealers that sell new guitars as used "floor models" so they can discount them and move product out?

[@roberthastings708]

I liked the product tour. I'm trying to think of another vendor. stewmac comes to mind.

[@saint.vitus.7775]

If Fender made a Lefty Aerodyne - i would buy it in a heartbeat!

[@thewayithastobe]

Aerodynes are #1, #2, #7 on reverb's top sellers for solid body right now

[@jamescashin5637]

I have a Gibson double cream from 83. What's up with that? Never had a cover on it either.

[@elephantfootrisers]

Evans noiseless Strat pickups are low output but sound phenomenal, well balanced. Unfortunately they are out of production.

[@alangreenway6695]

I would think most players who want a Tele like that it’s a ‘working man’s’ guitar. Buying a blinged out AM pro 2 Telecaster is perhaps overkill, whereas people are more likely to buy a Strat with all the knobs on. I would also guess very few cheap guitar brands sell 2nd hand. Why buy a 2nd hand Harley Benton for 150 when you can get a new one for 180?

[@eugenehavens]

Built for comfort? This year's Aerodyne Strat lacks an arm contour for some reason.

[@robertromero3570]

hello, I'm not sure who to contact? Not sure if I even have a problem yet, but on the 17th of Jan I answered an ad from best guitar and ordered and paid for an ES 335. It's now the 26th of FEB! No guitar as yet! I've tried texting,AND! Calling I keep getting replies (no such numbers) my credit card was billed! BUT NO GUITAR as yet a tracking kind of thing from them says the ship should arrive in 25 to ,35 days but it's said that for over a week! am starting to get concerned Robert R.

[@f33fifofum]

I'd say that I'd you're the top selling new and third top selling used then that's a lot of churn. They don't have volume which makes it tough but that's a lot of Silver Sky players that are moving them on

[@ue4058]

Exactly. Not sure how one could reach any other conclusion.

[@mikedr1549]

Given the resale price of a Gibson Les Paul Standard I really have a hard time understanding that it sits on top of the used list?????? I guess that shows people who really want one but are looking to save a few bucks by getting used. Still curious that people would be flipping a high dollar guitar that quickly.

[@kfunkkillah4280]

I would be willing to bet the reason there are so many "used" Gibson Les Paul guitars on Reverb is because of the Gibson Demo Shop. All of the guitars they sell are "used" and they sell quite a few of them.

[@kimseniorb]

as a person who bought player strat and squier jazzmaster I think there’s a lot of people like me. cheaper hip guitars and more expensive classic ones

[@JeffreyRoe]

Any talk about Gretsch ??

[@worthmoremusic]

Interestingly enough Phil, just googling not just most popular but also top number of guitars sold for 2023, depending on which list one views, you will get different answers... from Reverb, to Music Radar, to MoJo, Gear News, Guitar World. Sweetwater, etc.... On one list, forgot which one, believe it or not even Harley Benton got a nod ! WOW ! Also never knew Cort's factory makes all those other brands you mentioned...Fender, PRS, etc... I also think the same factory that churns out Harley Benton guitars for Thomann also churns them out for a bunch of other Asian companies. Been very disappointed with Music Nomad's fret beveler...didn't do as good a job on all my sharp frets on all my electrics. Must be the season on the east coast... a painful pain !

[@jessethetodd]

Disagree on your Silver Sky comment - the guitar has only been available for 3 years yet it’s #3 of all used guitar sales - that’s a ton of churn. Not saying it’s not successful - #1 new is a lot of units but #3 used means a ton of those turn over

[@dpb22]

In regards to Strats not selling as well to kids, I do not understand why adults are unable to remember what it was like to be a teenager. There has never been a generation that existed in history that EVER liked what their parents liked. So yeah, if you are middle aged and love strats and LPs? Your kids probably aren't going to touch them because you are lame and don't know what you're talking about. And I speak from experience.

[@rvaguitars]

I’ve been making double creams for my guitars. Hopefully they won’t notice lol

[@Mr.Goldbar]

When it comes to the Gibson vs Dimarzio thing, that's the first time I wholeheartedly support Gibson. I'm generally against overreaching and nitpicky trademarks and copyright laws, and I think Dimarzio really crossed a black line after they decided to trademark the double cream, a freaking color! How does it even come close to making sense to own a color?? And also, the public already calls the Dimarzio PAF as a word and the original Gibson PAF as the letters, Dimarzio is insecure for trademarking a name they didn't even come up with.

[@thesmellycatjazz]

Offsets and Teles selling so much could also people buying guitar number 3 or 4 and they don't want to pay the big bucks for something they aren't sure about. I know I bought my Am Pro Strat before getting a nice Tele and Offset

[@billyshears6622]

Some StewMac stuff seems overpriced but some things seem underpriced if you're very familiar with their catalog. Wait for sales.

[@kristopherkrahl1597]

Then he told 2 friends, then they told 2 friends, and so on, and so on, and so on....just like how the channel grows! 😮🤣

[@jessethetodd]

Really hard to make any inferences with only number rankings and not actual numbers sold. The difference between Player Strat and Player Tele could be 1 unit or 100,000. Same with the higher priced ones. You’re making too many inferences with rankings within a few places of each other.

[@Zoso981]

I've been a Gibson player for 30 years, but lately it's getting really hard to like them.

[@RandallHayter]

Cheap gear is much easier to sell locally. Especially if it is used.

[@crystaloffrost]

Lets make gibson trademarks and patents public too

[@smoothcannibal5371]

Kind of sad Rain Song is shutting down

[@pads-zr9ln]

On the one hand gibson being sued is ironic and hilarious, at the same time calling PAF and double cream is as stupid as having a patented on guitar shape

[@MetallicA29]

MT100 gets quieter than the MT15

[@jamieferguson3338]

I'm always gonna associate Cort with the really cheap guitars you used to see everywhere back in the day....I almost think Cor-tek would be a better name on the headstock.

[@stevemc75]

Remember the comment Phil made about dumb people with really strong opinions?

[@jerrymcdaniel4539]

Maybe Music Nomad is mad because you only liked 90 percent of their stuff.

[@jfrankcarr]

If you want to mod inexpensive guitars, don't buy new. Instead, buy used at steep discounts, maybe with "damage" like "it won't stay in tune". Also, there are a lot of cheapos available right now from people who bought one in the past few years, gave up playing and tossed the guitar in a closet.

[@daniellowry660]

The irony of Gibson complaining about designs not being recognized as Public Domain

[@rockstarjamtracks]

🤟

[@GuitarGearGyan]

Cort Guitars are extreme hit and miss in my honest opinion, played a lot of beauts and duds as well. The electrics generally are of a better quality than their acoustics.

[@ue4058]

To sell your used Harley Benton or Eart on Reverb, you'd be admitting that you bought it in the first place. Who wants to do that?

[@Siggy_Sour]

Dimarzio ripped Gibson off to begin with

[@deadeyejed1126]

Guitar Manufacturers are over pricing their Guitars 🎸 that’s why they are not selling!!! The industry is going down the tube!!!

[@matthewmorin7016]

The way Gibson acts doesn't make me want to go out a buy one.