ATI Rage 128 Pro Retro Review

[@JovinRepairs]

I know these videos have been out a while but I just got into retro building last year. I love this channel, LGR, and Nostalgia Nerd. Started out because I found some old software still tucked away from childhood(sadly my old hardware including my prized CT1600 Sound Blaster are long gone) so I went on the hunt for a 486 machine to build(now have 7 of them), and been building several different machines from 486 to socket 7 to super socket 7 and everything from Pentium up to Pentium 4.

[@nathanawesome10]

I swear your videos always make me want to get all my old parts together, get some more parts from that time and build a retro gaming pc myself. Still dreaming of a DOS system in my home

[@philscomputerlab]

Mission accomplished :D But that's the idea, get people excited and share the passion :)

[@manuelink64]

me too, I really want a SLi of Voodoo2, but the price are so freaking high, damn economy!!

[@GGigabiteM]

There is some Russian seller on the bay that has a stockpile of Voodoo2 cards for $30 and $12 shipping.

[@jurgenbussche]

got the same problem after watching his video's got me a pentium 4 now for retro gaming my girlfriend says thx a lot :(

[@trivialtrav]

This is the first card I ever had and replacing it with a Radeon 9800 so I could run KOTOR was what got me interested in hardware and PC building. I still have both the 128 Pro and 9800 in their boxes somewhere. Familiarity with ATI/AMD and my extreme laziness, which meant to not wanting to get used to Nvidia software, are why I've been team red for 20 years. Now I stick with AMD for their (IMO) better business practices and more open source approach, but like most fanboys on either side, I'd be lying if I said I had chosen my preferred brand based on logic and testing. Now I have the information to justify why I stick with AMD, but in reality I just kept with the brand that my 15 year old self found in my mom's late 90's/Y2K era desktop.

[@Argoon1981]

A Radeon 9800 Pro, was my first ATI GPU, before that I was Nvidia only, let me tell you, it was a eye opening moment for me, not because the GPU was bad but how good it was compared to what I really imagined.

[@geo58impala]

I have several of these in PCI and AGP format. They are the perfect cards for upgrading old systems to play DVDs without ANY lag. Gaming is average/mediocre at best but still good enough. I use them mainly in Pentium III's and the like.

[@geo58impala]

@@wowitsshit9734 They are long gone, sorry. I don't keep a bunch of computers anymore but thanks for asking.

[@movax20h]

I was more of a nVidia Riva TNT2 guy at the time. I really liked that card, never had issues. Played Quake 3 Arena, Unreal Tournament and Counter Strike a lot on it, and it was very fast. But ATI Rage 128 Pro probably would do the trick too.

[@TheVanillatech]

All much of a muchness, between the V3, Rage 128 Ultra and TNT2. Interesting to see how different those cards are to each other, and the varied images they produce on the same games. Cool times, back then, in PC gaming.

[@RosePhoto1]

The first time I saw Quake II on a Rage 128 Pro card I was completely blown away. I love this retro geek stuff. Great job on the review and thanks for doing it.

[@philscomputerlab]

Great you liked it :D

[@AshtonCoolman]

The ATi Rage 128 is just a re-branded Tseng Labs ET6300. It's the last and fastest Tseng! Tseng was purchased by ATi in 1997. Their 3D graphics card, the ET6300, was released as the Rage 128 after the purchase.

[@izools]

I think you're thinking of the ATi Rage (Pro) not the Rage 128 (Pro)

[@WXSTANG]

I had an ATI Rage Pro 128 and upgraded to an STB Velocity 4400... straight up the Rage 128 had more consistent frame times and was a nicer playing experience.

[@jakobwachter5181]

These videos are awesome. I wasn't quite able to do much with computers, let alone read what they said back when these cards were released, but I'm fond of old tech and this is a cool look back into what PCs were capable of before.

[@philscomputerlab]

That's what it's all about :)

[@jeremygeorgia4943]

The All in Wonder was such a great card. It was so easy to transfer camcorder video to the computer, to save for posterity & edit. If you had a super VHS camcorder, you could import high quality videos, edit them, then transfer them back to a super VHS VCR. You could also take VCR tapes & convert them into a shareable format, though KZbin was pretty new at the time. As far as gaming performance, it was never it's strong point & let's just say I had a computer I used for multimedia stuff & another for more serious stuff & games. It was a bit disappointing, since I probably spent the most time on the multimedia PC. It was handy being able to watch TV on my desktop while I worked. My first All In Wonder was a Rage II based card, and it was never really known for its 3d acceleration prowess. It was pretty slow, compared to the newer chipsets out there. All that changed with the All in Wonder Rage 128. For the first time, I could do everything on one machine, if I so chose. It also left my other machine open for LAN parties & competitive Descent. (1, 2 & 3)

[@thepcenthusiastchannel2300]

That's not just a Rage 128 Pro, that's a Rage Fury Pro. It's the top end SKU of the Rage 128 Pro lineup. A fantastic card which can be had for very cheap.

[@kyles8524]

theres a 128 ultra I have a few, I think that was the last card unless you want to include the fury maxx I also have a few of them too

[@thepcenthusiastchannel2300]

@@kyles8524 The Rage 128 Ultra is slower than the Rage 128 Pro, mainly because of the memory bandwidth advantage on the Rage 128 Pro. There's also a Rage 128 Pro Ultra which is the slowest of the three, once again due to memory bandwidth. The Rage Fury MAXX is the one I just used to build a Tualatin build. It's quite fast.

[@kyles8524]

@@thepcenthusiastchannel2300 interesting, I do have some 128 pro cards. thanks for the info. you seem good with computer stuff. Why wont my old agp mobos read off a sata drive? Ive even used jumpers to show its the main drive....on 3 motherboars and Ive tried 3 different drives despite the fact there are several sata ports on all 3, Problem is I dont have any IDE drives.its all SATA even in bios theres no mention of a sata drive its all IDE. I was just going to put together a retro win xp computer but its a pain.I already have retro computers but wanted one a custom build

[@thepcenthusiastchannel2300]

@@kyles8524 I used a Startech SATA to IDE which has its own set of jumpers on the PCB and it worked with the TUSL2-C motherboard. You also have to be careful not going over the 28-bit LBA. Anything larger than around 127GB doesn't work. Best to use hard drives that are 64GB or less in size.

[@kyles8524]

@@thepcenthusiastchannel2300 yeah the smallest drive is 320gb the rest are 1 to 4 tbs. I technically do have drives but they are in finished 3dfx builds. ebat has them but for like 40 bucks.........

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

My Radeon 9600 Pro has actually a jumper to switch the S-Video output between PAL and NTSC.

[@manuelink64]

Holy fog, my first 3D card! I really like this card, playing DVD on a P200mmx was sorcery! The 3D demo with egypsian stuff are freacking awesome.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice. The only demo I found was Rage Dawning.

[@mixal31]

Wasn't that demo for non pro version?

[@alexandercrews1194]

These cards are quite good and lasted for a while. There's a good reason Apple included them as the stock GPU on the PowerMac G3 and G4.

[@dava00007]

Just a thing to keep in mind when running games in 32-bit on ATI games of the time, they actually run the z-buffer in 16-bit (not 100% sure it's the z-buffer, but they do get their boost because they still run some operations in 16-bit). Anyway, if my memory is correct, they were not competitive in 3D until they released Radeon cards.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes you're right, thanks for setting the record straight! I wasn't aware of this setting, it is called something along the lines "convert 32 bit textures to 16" and boosts performance, but doesn't look as nice. Unfortunately I used those settings. However, all the "new" videos and results I have changed this. So the videos with the GeForce 256 and anything in the future will have the correct 32 bit quality :)

[@WaybackTECH]

I've found the Rage 128/pro/ultra cards to be excellent DOS cards as well. This is a boat that AMD is really missing, HDMI capture capabilities. ATI was the leader in that category of video capture and output built in to their cards back in the 90's through the early 2000's. That was something that just came with their cards usually, except in OEM versions. Seems like AMD would sell a hell of a lot of cards with HDMI capture today. Back in 2002, there abouts, I used an NEC desktop computer with a Celeron 333 chip in it as a HTPC, long before HTPC was a term that was used. I used the s-video output of a MX440 card to run to the TV. It worked, but I was really glad when I moved to LCD in 2007 and went with HDMI.

[@WaybackTECH]

Lassi Kinnunen 128 Ultra scores higher in DOS benchmarks, fps, topbench etc.. than an S3, Voodoo, TNT2, Geforce. I've run the benchmarks, I know. Before I do a CPU comparison video I test video cards to see which one yields the highest scores for that platform and OS tested with.

[@philscomputerlab]

I haven't tested this, but someone else on Vogons also found this. He is saying that the ATI card is the fastest at 320 x 200.

[@philscomputerlab]

Oh and apparently at higher resolutions the results are reversed. I freely admit that I never looked much into high resolution DOS performance...

[@cjhawk67]

Very cool, I have so many of these rage 128 pro cards around from the severely cut down cards to the fully loaded tv tuner all in wonder cards with the component inputs. There cool cards

[@zilla5g]

I still remember finding one of these in a computer my mom got from work and being super excited.

[@TheVanillatech]

They were a solid card. Certain office brand PC's had a habit of including Rage128 cards with their systems, so we came into many back in the day. I remember testing a Rage 128 Ultra one time just out of curiosity as to how it stacked up and it played GP 500 amazingly well in 1024x768 32 bit colour. I mean it wasn't perfect, but it was playable and looked really nice.

[@iliyacheresharov]

Man, this video threw me back in time. I used to have this exact card back in the day, upgraded from a 16MB Vanta, and the thing felt like lightening in comparison, the VIVO functionality was great, as we could all sit and watch movies on our CRT TV which was vastly superior to the monitor i had (15'' Compaq) :D

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

14:00 - I noticed that the Voodoo 3 2000 was overall faster than the TNT2 Ultra.

[@Nesseris]

Your benchtable is adorable. :D I'm huge fan of yours. Thanks a lot for bringing back memories, cheers mate.

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks!

[@MMasterDE]

You can probably do without the music. It gets old pretty fast.

[@georgejiang9192]

Cool review! I love learning about old gpus and stuff.

[@philscomputerlab]

Great that you liked it :D

[@Smakificator]

I'm kinda enjoying the background music in your historic videos.

[@sedrosken831]

You know, thinking about it I almost wonder if nVidia didn’t name the GeForce256 such so that they could one up ATi.

[@Aranimda]

I used the ATi Rage 128 GL 16MB for many years. It came with my first 3D capable graphics card in my first PC Pentium _!!!_ 450 of my own. I later upgraded it to a ATi Radeon 256 DDR 64 MB ViVo After this, I switched to the Green team with a GeForce 4 Ti 4600, 7800 GT, 8800GTX, GTX 570, GTX 780 Ti and currently a GTX 1080

[@extalia]

I have an All-in-Wonder 128 pro. I actually like the image quality on this card more than on Voodoo2/3 cards :). It even supports tri-linear filtering, and the performance hit from using 32bpp isn't that bad.

[@philscomputerlab]

I can see that, in 32 bit the ATI is nice and crisp.

[@drupiROM]

This brings back memories :) Me, my ATi VIVO card and my 51 cm. CRT TV = Home Cinema in the early 2000s. Thanks so much for this video.

[@mauriciochacon]

Order the charts, it helps to understand

[@NightMotorcyclist]

My high school had these in their Dell PCs which were used for C++ and CAD/ Drafting classes and these cards were quite good when we did CAD work. Sadly they were locked down so much that we couldn't do much else with the PC which meant games and videos were out of the question. On occasion we would have internet access but still heavily restricted...

[@paulgascoigne5343]

my first pc had a Ati all-in-wonder (rage 128), it was absolutely fantastic for the day. even having a small window overlay with live TV whilst playing a game or recording a program. it wasn't without its faults or quirks but on the whole did a good job and played many games for the time more than adequately with few driver issues.

[@Da40kOrks]

My first ever gaming pc: K6-2/350 and a 32mb Rage 128 Pro. Upgraded to it just in time for Everquest to come out and it played that game for thousands of hours. Plus the OpenGL? Glide? (I fogot) support in Quake was pretty darn good as far as I can remember.

[@mauriciochacon]

Glide was 3dfx, OpenGL were the rest, ati ogl drivers sucked hard for years, but stull they worked fine for the quake3 era, but in 2000- 2008 they were lame

[@m9078jk3]

I have the All in Wonder version well because I desired the TV tuner and recording functionality for recording TV shows and making video CD's (or DVD's) of them.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice! I guess the TV tuner will come in handy for capturing older consoles. Soon devices won't have any analogue tuners, so hang on to that card.

[@meh78336]

I had the rage 128 fury with 2 Voodoo 2 cards, was a decent step up from my Matrox Millennium 2

[@mauriciochacon]

i had this gpu, ati rage rage 128 fury 32mb, non pro, it was great, yes 16bit always sucked, but 32bit wow. it ran even max payne 1, nfs porshe, with a good cpu it was a monster

[@Geert365]

I had the 16 bit, it somehow ran gta san andreas (64 bit min.) sometimes little buggy, vice city with ease which requires 32 bit card minimum, dunno what was going on then. .......... darrn i wasted precious hours of my life on that, then again, at least not wasting that of other's on here. So enough of this bye. Ps Switched to more mature (i like to think so) titles, like golf, or brain deteriation repression training (something like that, don't quite remember). Anywho, bye.

[@dizzyboy352]

​@@Geert365 you must be crazy. i tried to run san andreas on a rage 128 pro agp and it was basically unplayable at lowest settings. i had to switch it with the 7000 or 7500 64mb in my other computer, i'm not smart enough to remember what that shitty GPU was. 64mb was the minimum for that game. edit: jumping out of the plane was the spot that was unpassable with the ati rage 128 pro because of the extreme lag. jumping out to the plane graveyard... san andreas is a very poorly optimized game though. it could have done alot better on older hardware but rockstar was a greedy corporation and put profit over optimization.

[@Geert365]

May be one of these days i will give it a go, was getting the old boy up and running again, see if i remembered it wrong then may be, but pretty sure , would a dual core with 8800 gt run it choppy at times, only other pc i used here. Real world priorities though, so no time soon (not that i think you , or anyone are anxiously awaiting any outcome of that). Quit gta, it's really about making money, like you said, and can really disrupt peoples lives i think, unless you are pretty well grounded on your feet. That discussion goes back to the eighties and movies (probably before that), gonna not touch that subject matter any further.

[@retropcscotland4645]

Phil you are a legend mate. I had no issues with the dvd player set to region 2 and away it went with nice play back. I'm using the xpert 2000 agp which is a variant based on the rage 128 chip.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice! Yes, I was pretty certain it was just this one machine being weird :D

[@Robertkopp84]

I swapped this back and forth a few times with the tnt2ultra because of drivers and game support back in the day.

[@stathissim]

nice video! the card was a bit ahead of its time. I love old ATI.

[@philscomputerlab]

Thank you!

[@scorpian007]

Your video's have inspired me to purchase some older parts to play my old DOS/Win98 games again. Have picked up a P4 2.8GHz, 256MB RAM, GeForce FX5500. Just trying to hunt down a cheap Vortex 2 card :)

[@philscomputerlab]

That's awesome :)

[@PROSTO4Tabal]

Old-school pc hardware is wired. I had geforce 2 gts at that time. Believe me I never looked back anymore

[@KayX291]

Wonder if you will do a review of ATI Rage 3D Pro. Way back in 1998 I've had a PC with that graphics card and it couldn't do OpenGL at all, had to rely on Pentium 2 i believe to do the work along with that in games to get some decent performance...Do note that there has been some driver revision just for that GPU.

[@philscomputerlab]

That card should be OpenGL compatible. We will check it out in a future video, so stay tuned :)

[@Michael-79]

Great video as always Phil, but the Moiré pattern is very prominent in nearly the entire video, although from 20:04 onward the Moiré pattern seems completely gone. I thought that was only an issue when you film an old CRT monitor with a cheap digital camera, but here you're using an LCD all the time. I found that little strange because LCD's usually have a default refresh rate of 60 Hz and use a completely different digital technology.

[@philscomputerlab]

Moire is an issue with fine lines / patterns, not refresh rate.

[@GilBatesLovesyou]

I bought an ATI Rage 128 Pro 32mb PCI off ebay for $7 shipped because of this video, along with another $7.50 512mb SDRAM for a Pentium III workstation my uncle left me. It will be my first "retro build."

[@rehsab01]

Didn't you encounter any rendering artifacts with this ATI Rage 128? It was infamous for that problem. I'll usually avoid this card along with ATI's earlier Rage Pro and Rage Pro Turbo (both also infamous for rendering artifacts and issues).

[@Envylives]

Idk, I ran the pro as well as the 128 in some of my junk builds and never had very much issue outside of the drivers at the time. They do need airflow though - that passive cooler isn't anywhere near adequate in a poorly ventilated case.

[@kztech1319]

The reason you want to restart your PC in W9x after color depth change is to make the interface look better

[@mcrazza]

I still have my ATI Rage 128 Ultra AGP. It's great for late 90s gaming. Mine came with my very first PC in late 2001. Unfortunately I didn't get much mileage out of it in terms of early-mid 00s gaming, for obvious reasons.

[@mikeall7012]

i have one of these cards laying around. it is the pci version. im going to put it in a board with an amd k2 475mhz. not sure if i will have any issues but that the fun part.

[@philscomputerlab]

PCI cards are harder to find, so that's great :)

[@antwanarmstrong5987]

like the ATI 8500 it's a beast with directx 8.1 and lower games. also i see your new house is looking well.

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks. I'm still sorting stuff out. I got to find a few things still in boxes...

[@Paar86]

Recently tested the card and would advice against using the latest drivers as I had visual glitches in Quake II and Half-Life (texture flicker). Tried 6XXX drivers and the glitches were gone. Even got better performance by few frames.

[@sillyszili2593]

i had this card back in somewhere 2004 :D

[@TimTaylor99]

I hab a friend in school he used it until 2005 ☝️😅 Well, we had no money back then but at this time was much happier with my Gf 4 Ti 4200 🙏

[@alenkadic2870]

I remember this card.It was my first graphic card. I play even battle for middle earth on low.

[@Halterung01]

I always wondered what the differences between the different cards with Rage128 chipsets were. I recently bought an "ATI Xpert2000 Pro Ultra 32M" For some reason none of the drivers from the AMD site worked. I needed to force it to install a driver called "ATI Rage Fury Pro / Xpert2000 Pro" out of said AMD driver using infs. Works fine though.

[@evertcoetzee]

Great video Phil. Just a tip: that overall comparison you did where you summed all the framerates together to get an overall score is not an ideal statistic, since it's easily skewed by extreme results. A much better statistic would be to use the median framerate for a a particular colour depth.

[@philscomputerlab]

Hmm, but each game performs differently, so how would the median work? It's just a rough figure, and apart from the few odd results (looking at Earth on the TNT2), it works quite well.

[@evertcoetzee]

+PhilsComputerLab we had our little debate about this on Facebook, but to me, the median of a collection of average framerates (for different games) would indicate to me what a base level performance for the card would be in any random game. If we have a median average framerate of say 40 fps, then in my mind, I would expect that 50% of the time I'll have an average framerate of 40 fps or less and 50% of the time I'll have an average framerate of 40 or more. You could also calculate the 5th percentile to get an idea of what the absolute worst performance one could expect be.

[@DiegottlosenCharmeure]

19:00 it depended on the receiving tv, what signal you could output. i remember it on my rage 128, because i used to subtitle anime to german and output it to my tv and vcr. and because only few anime i had were pal i had to switch it often to ntsc, which worked.

[@ivanuremovic1199]

I just got an old PC for free and this card was inside. There was also Asus P4XP-X motherboard inside and an old 1.8ghz Pentium 4, along with 256MB of RAM. And to my surprise, everything still works without a problem, but case was really dirty and old, so I threw it away. And yes, when I fired it up it went straight to Windows 2000. I might even build a retro gaming system with these parts in the future, since I saw that this motherboard is one of the best socket 478 motherboards around.

[@dabombinablemi6188]

I was actually going to buy one recently (along with a Voodo2) and do a build. But since I salvaged a working (and good as new with SLI cable) Diamond Monster 3D II+Diamond Viper V550 from a computer that was going to get scrapped I ended up not going with it.

[@balthron]

Yes it's quite a good card, had great price per performance and a decent image quality for the time. Plus it also had a very clean open source driver support for Linux/mesa-3d and Amigaos/warp3d... good times

[@zyrgle]

I have an ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP that I never tried, but you inspired me to try it in one of my Asus P3V4X computers. I wound up using an installation disc from a Rage Pro 128 PCI card. It worked perfectly and it installed a DVD player too. It has nice image quality and I think the performance in between a Voodoo3 and a Banshee. I think I will add a Voodoo2 or two... ;)

[@CaudaMiller]

man i admire your persistence or will if you wish. how old are you if i may? i wasnt so impressed with nvidias cards till GF256

[@luckybob77]

The ATI Theater chip was AMAZING. It was highly praised as a capture device in its day. The Theater 200 improved on this an was a very affordable option for recording svideo. You had to buy Matrox level equipment to get better capture. In fact I have a whole setup based on a P4 and a 850 XTPE that I use to record old VHS footage.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice! I have an AIW 8500, but the TV tuner stuff is now obsolete :) The capturing especially would have been quite a cool thing, like you say.

[@icqme8586]

How much better is the Rage 128 Pro vs. the Rage 128? Is it slightly better or is it a big jump like going from a TNT to a TNT2?

[@lightdark28]

Ive actually got one of these Rage 128 cards with 32mb of VRAM , The performance isn't too bad and the image quality is good (not quite to Matrox standards, but good). The main flaw of course is that , like the Nvidia , its somewhat generic, since there is no support for Glide or something unique like EMBM or S3 Compressed textures. in my mind the ideal setup for this card would be to have it run alongside a Voodoo2 SLI setup . You can have the V2 for Glide and sheer speed in 16bit colour games, and the Rage 128 can act as the main card for games that benefit from 32bit colour or the higher amounts of VRAM (the image quality and overall DOS performance makes it suitable too)

[@philscomputerlab]

It does support compressed textures (DXTC), but I'm not sure about EMBM. The driver mentions nothing about this.

[@lightdark28]

guess you learn something new every day , didnt think any texture compression was supported. its a good card for a Pentium II or early PIII

[@c462-]

nice and interesting video, like all you upload to this channel :D (sorry by my bad english LOL), you make me want to continue my project of building a P1 88Mhz pc with DOS

[@philscomputerlab]

Thank you :)

[@SummonerArthur]

I love video cards with composite video output...

[@thetrashman5381]

yeah thats the shit

[@gaeljehnno]

Just ordered a rage 128 pro pci for a old aptiva (k6-2) without agp slot . The 128 pro will replace the integrated rage pro lol

[@Synthematix]

Do you have a video on the ATI 3D Rage Pro II PCI ?

[@777anarchist]

Have you checked gpu/memory clocks on your card? ATI claimed 140/160 for Pro version. I've seen only 112/125 and 125/143 variants. Fully fledged version come up only in some early reviews on the internet.

[@philscomputerlab]

PowerStrip reports 118 MHz for the core and 140 MHz for the memory.

[@wesleywheeler7891]

ive ran into a few compatibility issues with some games...not a lot...but enough to stick with nvidia

[@StigDesign]

17:42 what software you use. tempting to buy that capture so that i can runn retro pc and modern pc but use modern laptop screen for the gaming. etc :) damn i dont have ATI Rage 128 Pro XD 20:58 woow Cool :D

[@philscomputerlab]

That is software Arcsoft Showbiz, it comes with the USB capture device. You can buy the capture device from here: www.ezcap.tv/

[@StigDesign]

PhilsComputerLab Nice. Thankyou :D

[@wolfgangkrebl3056]

Thx for this video. One point- please use benchmarks with not more than 5 cards. Otherwise the letters are so small that noone is able tp read the names. Thx. But the video and commentation ist great. Today i build up a celeron 333a system with such a card (gigabyte gv-ag32as) on a asus p2b bx440 board. I use it for gaming with games from the time the celeron was an actual cpu. From my experience the card is a worthy opponent to a riva TNT, especially in 32bit. You will get them very cheap at ebay(which isn't true for TNT cards). Important is to look at the memory interface. Try to get a GL type. They got 128bit memory bandwidth and not 64bit like the LE models

[@MrMilli]

@23:00 considering your card came from Germany, maybe you need to set your DVD drive to region 2.

[@philscomputerlab]

It worked before on a different machine, so I wasn't that worried. Just your typical computer issues :)

[@FaSMaN]

I accedently passed up on a Rage Fury Maxx last year, was frantically working and completely forgot to contact the guy to arrange collection , :/

[@philscomputerlab]

Very cool card, early cross fire and all of that. I have one, but it cost me a LOT :(

[@Synthematix]

Phil could you do a review of a ATI Rage XL pci ? cheers

[@davidzachary7152]

Ive got exactly same card + voodoo2

[@TheRetroRaven]

Any ideas as to why this card performs better with 32bit colors than 16bit? It seems a little odd to me.

[@mauriciochacon]

Bad Drivers at launch

[@HitmonleeDeluxe]

I really like the older ATI cards, my Pentium 3 setup has an All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500 128mb, and it has some pretty good multimedia functions like a tv tuner, ect.

[@philscomputerlab]

Me too. They are not used often, most go for 3dfx or Nvidia. But whenever I try them out, I have a good experience.

[@halynx8971]

do u have video review about amd cpu thunderbird

[@hassanjafary1666]

latest drivers for windows xp is default windows driver and you can install control panel of catalyst 5.9 on it separately 😂

[@SilverX95]

i wonder if the ATI Rage 128 ultra can be use as a substitute, the only difference is that the Ultra has a Core clock of 130MHz and a Memory clock of 130MHz and a Bandwidth of 2.088, but the drives are not on AMD website well least for me for me any way. i had to get the drivers from dell.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yup the Ultra is a classic OEM version. You can either force the driver through device manager, or edit the driver (INF file) to accept the dell card.

[@phipli]

I might be wrong, but I think there is usually a jumper that sets PAC/NTSC on ATi cards?

[@philscomputerlab]

@@phipli You are right! Many cards indeed have such a jumper to configure the TV out standard.

[@romanrm1]

My retro ATI card of choice would be the Radeon 9000/9200. But that might be because I used one of those as my main gaming card for a while back then. :) Anyways, should be faster than the Rage, have better D3D/OGL compatibility, and yet still fully passive cooling.

[@epidemicmagick]

As 9200 is the card I stuck with for the most years of owning a computer, I can simpathise, but after switching to 9700 on one of my AMD rigs and testing it out, I liked it more for the sheer power it produces in 1997.-2006. oriented gaming - its fast, rock-solid, colder than most 9200's and easily obtainable.

[@philscomputerlab]

Great card. I tried a 9200 in Windows 98 once and it's a very fast card. Better suited for Windows XP to be honest.

[@Audiomancer]

I recognized that Audigy card instantly, before he mentioned it. I got that thing the day it came out for sale.....it took way longer than installing an OS from scratch. Why is that?

[@Audiomancer]

I should say, it took much longer to install than an OS:)

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes, I streamlined the process because I install Windows 98 so often :)

[@FaSMaN]

PS thanks for reading out the benchmarks it makes a huge difference :)

[@philscomputerlab]

It does? Cool, I can continue doing that!

[@balthron]

By the way, Did you by any chance got to test this card on vanilla quake minigl v0.98 and Starseige? I was contemplating on getting one for the Pentium 3 computer I'm building but I don't know how well the driver preforms on older and more obscure games.

[@philscomputerlab]

I can definitely test GLQuake for you, but I don't have Star Siege. Is there a demo maybe I could try?

[@balthron]

I just googled starseige demo and came across this cnet download page but I usually don't download anything from cnet There must a better place to get it... download.cnet.com/Starsiege-demo/3000-2115_4-10016803.html

[@philscomputerlab]

Cool, thanks!

[@philscomputerlab]

Ok the demo runs fine! I read the readme file, it mentions that the OpenGL option is for Nvidia card. But it also has an option for other and 3dfx. It recommends setting the colors to 16 bit, which I did. I took a photo of the game running: i.imgur.com/jps9ASH.jpg

[@philscomputerlab]

And here GLQuake: i.imgur.com/JjB384H.jpg Make sure to play in 32 bit colors, it does look very grainy in 16 bit.

[@movax20h]

13:48 You shouldn't be adding FPS numbers from different benchmarks. You should do instead a geometric mean.

[@verzagen7550]

I'm trying to see if anyone has seen this same issue, I have 2 different ATi Rage 128 Pro cards, both of them crash the whole system when trying to use composite in, ASUS P5A with AMD K6-III 450, 512 MB RAM, tried with both Sound Blaster Live! and Audigy 2ZS installed as well, plus an ASUS NX1101 1Gbps NIC

[@Ampera_]

My iMac G3 has a 128 Pro, and for the machine it is a GREAT card. You have to understand this is a 400 something mhz PPC (Slower than a similarly clocked Pentium, by a lot), but it rocks games like quake just fine. It's a great machine for older games and 68k emulation on OS9 is pretty decent.

[@Ampera_]

Oh, and to add, DVD playback is also flaky HARDWARE on the Mac. It has a DVD drive, but a new disc like the Titanic it stumbles and just jumps ahead more than a reasonable skip would often.

[@philscomputerlab]

Cool, thanks for sharing. I know little about the Apple world, so this is nice to know.

[@Ampera_]

PhilsComputerLab Honestly they are very similar to PCs of the day, especially some of the earlier power macs. They use Power PC, which is a RISC based CPU (Meaning while the IPS per clock is better than a CISC machine, the amount of work an instruction can do is severely reduced. So going from MIPS to MIPS count on a PPC to a Pentium, a Pentium will easily smoke it, and CISC based CPUs have really caught up to RISC to the point where there is no competition) over x86 CISC, but they still had PCI, (Idk if they had AGP) and some of the later G5s even had PCI-E support. I suggest you toy around with mac gaming, and check our Druaga1's content, he has a lot of mac stuff, and even LGR has some content. I suggest for retro Power Macintosh gaming you either go with a G3 box, or an iMac G3 Summer 2000 DV+ model (I have it). The G3 box has more expansion options, but the iMac may be easier to find, and it is a great all round machine. For 68k Gaming, check out what the latest one is, I think it was a performa of some sort. They aren't fast and are on the levels of 386s on clock for clock. For older Power Macintosh gaming, get one of the dual CPU (I think dual core even on top of that) G5 towers. Very loud, but they are as good as a power mac will get. Emulation IS an option, but not a very good one in my opinion. If you need any more info I definitely have one, or check our Druaga1, or LGR's content. I am currently on your Matrox G400 and I have yet to find a video I disliked. If you ever need help I do have some resources, I am currently cobbling together a DX4-100 @120 machine, that is pretty period accurate down, even though it's a tad OP.

[@moramayorga]

Do ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon Review

[@lilkuz2005]

hey Phil, im waiting on some parts to come in for my main project, started messing with another, going to use my rage 128 pro, its the exact card you used in this video, im trying to install mmc but the capture option isn't installing, i really want to be able to connect my sega genesis to my pc and capture from it, can you share the exact driver and mmc you used in this video ?

[@philscomputerlab]

I used the latest ones from the AMD website!

[@lilkuz2005]

PhilsComputerLab I have installed those from amd site and the MMC from the private ftp, it installs but doesn't install the capture option, I'm not sure what's wrong

[@philscomputerlab]

Not sure either man :(

[@teemumyyrylainen9247]

Where should i look for generic drivers and images of old operating systems. My 6.2 dos floppy (2nd disk) is not reading at all, and i cannot make image of it on usb. Allso my win 98 cd is ruined.. on my bad retro pc ( old office pc from millenium era ) i had to try windows install over 20 times to it finally run to end of install . Im about to make an childhood era pc. with first vodoo card and awe 64. im still unsure about cpu and mobo etc. but keeping my eyes open on forums and so forth. And when i get hardware together, id like the install to be as smooth as possible and have all what i need ready at once.

[@Holmez112]

I had Rage Fury Maxx with 500mhz Celeron and Windows ME. Those where the times...

[@henrikgustav2294]

help. I'm looking for an ISA or PCI display card that supports composite mono monitor. I tried VGA to composite converter, text are blurry and dark. but if I run something in QBasic with Screen 8, the text is sharp and clear

[@3dfxvoodoo]

Hi Phils, the card has 32mb SDRAM 128-bit memory interface?

[@Alex4SiliconValley]

I want to build a Retro-build PC to play old PC games....What do you recommend for a PC that can run Windows-311/NT351/NT40/Win95/Win98se/Windows-ME. I just want to build one PC to be able to install all of those operating systems on via compact flash drives and play games at a reasonable performance. Should I get a Pentium or Pentium-2 or Pentium-3 or Pentium-4 ?.....Which CPU and Motherboard do you recommend and what graphics card and what sound card?....What amount of memory do I need for best performance?..128/256/512/768/1gb. ?..

[@philscomputerlab]

That's a loaded question and requires pages to answer properly. I really recommend you research a bit more online, I'm happy to answer more specific questions :)

[@Alex4SiliconValley]

If you could have only one Retro gaming PC what CPU , Motherboard , Graphics card, and OS would you use?What is your favorite?

[@SleepyRulu]

I missed that card I have it on my dimension 4550

[@allesbelegt]

Is there also a benchmark of the Rage 128 Ultra planned?

[@philscomputerlab]

AFAIK it's identical, maybe a tiny bit slower or faster. And amongst them are different clocks as well, they are all over the place, ATI really let everyone do whatever they wanted with clocks.

[@RavageReeves]

is the rage pro good for a pentium 2. 300mhz retro maching build with vortex 2 or go with something else?

[@moritzrudolf5370]

I've got an Ati Rage 128 Pro too but mine only has VGA and the PCB is smaller and has another form. Are there different versions of it or am I wrong?

[@philscomputerlab]

There are indeed all sorts of version. I looked around quite a bit, in the end I payed a premium to get this card. It seems to be an early version with all the features included.

[@moritzrudolf5370]

Ok, I didn't know that. Thanks for your fast reply!

[@VampiresCrypt]

Can it play Resident Evil 2 on Win98 ? :D