Player movement has just been nerfed. A lot.

[@krazykaid]

steve running for his life from a slime barely being any faster

[@Small-stick-o-butter]

Why did they think it would be a good idea

[@AquaQuokka]

​@Dj07-i3u Don't worry I won't translate it! Cause I can read it anyways!

[@rexxe001]

They done nerfed our big boy 😭

[@cosmicbricks3339]

Fr😂

[@Tybek1]

Thats not how it works furry.

[@AlonsoJoaquinComposer]

Next they are getting rid of the creeper because it was a bug at first and never intended that way

[@thealientree3821]

It also goes against the "One block at a time" rule of Minecraft.

[@nealio6458]

They permitted something like building above the nether roof on java, so they so have some history calling bugs features

[@ChesterManfred]

Reminds me of how not long ago in Team Fortress 2, for a single day the BLU scout wore his blue pants instead of the brown ones. But then they realized that it conflicted with way too many cosmetics, and they vanished again. We'll miss you 👖

[@scrapeddiamonds5776]

@@thealientree3821 guess they are slowly removing that "endless possibilities" part of the game.

[@Nethaura]

Now that I could get behind (bad for marketing tho) It'd be like Gamefreak removing Pikachu from the game lol

[@Attentiondificil-h8u]

“Then the devs realized something impossible was happening, someone was enjoying their game. To prevent this, they created the speed cap.” -Technoblade (Paraphrased)

[@IzzyBoiYT]

He foresaw the future

[@kvincent0593]

​@Dj07-i3uwhy would I subscribe to you, you don't even have any videos bicth

[@EliteCameraBuddy]

bro listened to the voicces

[@EggEgg-]

King had a vision 👑

[@3rasmian]

how strange, they didn't cap speed at 400%

[@ikebirchum6591]

Mojang seems dedicated to taking a "worst of both worlds" approach when making parity-related changes. Watch them remove the ability to put any item in the offhand besides just shields next

[@naejelangelogonzales6623]

Sh!t

[@Just_a_Piano_]

that was already a thing for console players I believe. Might still be idk I stopped playing this shit game years ago because they seem hellbent on ruining the game as much as possible

[@Tudas]

Thats a Bedrock thing, you can only use 6 items in off-hand, which isnt even torches and one of them just exists, because Drowned need to have hold it in their off-hand lmao.

[@GM_Neo]

Map, shield, arrows, fireworks, compass, clock

[@ikebirchum6591]

@@Tudas yes that's my point, they keep making parity changes that are just copying over the negative traits from one version to the other. It's only in bedrock for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they nerf java offhand to match it for the sake of "parity"

[@endyender1703]

7:55 “bedrock parity” no… on bedrock, you speed bridge by looking at the block in front of you and holding right click. This was just to fuck over Java players.

[@eiiza8283]

This needs to be higher lol

[@Lexiosity]

They prolly saw a bunch of Java players shitting on Bedrock players, so they decided to worsen Java Edition so then Bedrockers can one-over Java

[@NovidProkteps]

it was really mainly because bridging on phone and console takes an unreasonable amount of time compared to keyboard and mouse, I think it's still OP, but it wasn't JUST to fuck with Java players lol

[@CrystalFier]

This right here.

[@Grunker1]

Yeah making this change and then not giving java players bedrocks speed bridging is crazy 😭, they did to java what they've been doing to bedrock for years.

[@cobaltbluesky2276]

this is like if they made it so sprint jumping was no longer faster than sprinting. yeah i guess it makes more sense but it's just been that way for so long that it's ingrained in everyone's muscle memory and is kinda iconic at this point, and honestly of all the countless bugs in this game it's not that important comparatively.

[@B.L.U.S]

tbh i would be 100% ok for parity with bedrock on that, make players as fast as sprint jumping but remove sprint jumping, would make moving arround 100 times better because you can jump when you want instead of getting stuck in corners because you were on the wrong moment or lose speed by stopping to SJ before reaching the corner

[@alexsiemers7898]

Isn’t that also a thing they did with these movement changes?

[@nameredacted6221]

@@B.L.U.SI understand why you say that but I’d still be sprint jumping even if it’s slower 🗿

[@cobaltbluesky2276]

@ did they??? i haven't heard anything about that

[@UltraAryan10]

​@@B.L.U.STiming sprint jumping over blocks, corners and rough terrain is possible with skill. So it would just reduce the skill ceiling of the game, just like this bugfix does.

[@scrapeddiamonds5776]

okay, they basically removed the "protection" part in fire PROTECTION before... now they SLOWED DOWN the walking, sprinting, and sneaking SPEED? what is going on in mojang HQ?

[@fallencharlie12]

they are "justifying" their employment by making random changes

[@timohara7717]

Litterally both of these were fixed in ONE WEEK. I think pheonix is cooked

[@imamoocow4]

what did they do to fire prot?

[@timohara7717]

​@@fallencharlie12maybe, but half the time they dont effect the game

[@timohara7717]

​@@imamoocow4for one week only a full set of fire protection would actually truly protect you, but they revertwd it

[@putin_1999]

Players: Please add fireflies and an end update! Mojang: hehe slow steve

[@aidankeogh9994]

Who is asking for _fireflies?_

[@alexkeys776]

problem is we're too used to the "weird" gimmicks of minecraft's movement, so when they try to update it and "fix" it, just just makes it so much worse.

[@sabuguinhoC]

The thing is, it wasn't a bug, it was in the game since sneaking was added.

[@vani1030]

itd be fine if this was fixed before the game was released, or even up to a year afterwards. but this has been a core mechanic for, what, 14? 15? years like i said in a previous comment, its as if they removed sprint jumping

[@camsta_]

why can't people just stay on older versions then? lots of people play on 1.8 because they don't like the combat changes that were added to 1.9. speedrunners play on 1.16.1 because they don't like changes that were made to piglin bartering and world generation in later updates. what's stopping competitive players from doing the same?

[@TSquitz]

@@sabuguinhoC just because it's old, doesn't mean it's not a bug. quasi-connectivity is technically a bug, it just happens to be really useful

[@randomyoutuber4189]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@sabuguinhoC well, no. it’s still a bug even if it’s been there since the beginning, you still classify it as a bug because it’s been coded wrong

[@guilhermerafaelzimermann4196]

Okay but why is nobody (except camman18) talking about the changes to fall damage?? Up to the latest stable version (1.21.4) fall damage starts at 3.35 meters off the ground, so you can comfortably walk off a 3 block tall ledge with a trapdoor on top and not take fall damage. (or in a very uncommon case of 3 snow layers, at 4 snow layers you'll take fall damage) But in the latest snapshot if you have so much as a carpet you take fall damage (a carpet is 0.0625 meter or 6.25cm tall) and after extensive testing i have found that fall damage starts at 3.0000002 (or 3meters and *TWO TENTHS of a MICROMETER* ) off the ground, which seems like a ridiculous arbritrary change even worse than the strafing thing since now you take fall damage if you jump off a 2 block tall ledge, which also MAJORLY affects pvp and parkour since you'll be taking fall damage from a shorter distance

[@Titanic-wo6bq]

yea I only found out about the fall damage changes thanks to camman, he's the only I've seen talk about the fall damage changes so far. also I had no idea that they made it THAT strict where 2 tenths of a micrometer means the difference between being fine and fall damage.

[@moronoftheinternet8864]

So that's why running around has been so damn annoying.

[@mistical5030]

people need to stop overreacting this was obviously a bug and camman didnt realize for whatever reason

[@gavindyer2256]

This was a bug that was fixed in this snapshot

[@3rasmian]

This was patched in 25w03a

[@UnstableStrafe]

If Mojang just, ignores this, then I will be fairly confident we are entering Minecraft's enshittification era.

[@Weldedhodag]

we entered it when the cave update was just 'old caves but *WIDE* and *TALL* '

[@no_one-e6du]

roblox moment

[@coolokayyeah]

entering?

[@sulphurous2656]

Entering? We've been in the memeversion/nuversion era for years now.

[@Lord_Chibi]

@@Weldedhodag at least the cave update improved the difficulty by increasing mob spawns twentyfold... wait... *reads notes over again...* so they really made caves harder than the nether now??

[@walkereisenhauer6598]

I wish that “for parity” they just took whatever version of the game gives you more options, not fewer. This is like removing cauldron dyeing on bedrock since you can’t do it on Java or something. (Alright maybe not exactly the same, but still, whatever version’s features are more enjoyable I feel like should be the ones they keep)

[@v5hr1ke]

Shhhh, don't give Mojang ideas😰

[@sillyTheJester]

like removing soft inversions just because java doesn't have them. that would be stupid and would upset a ton of bedrock redstoners.

[@arsonathan]

but that's too much work for the billion dollar company, that would make it so they had to put in 2 hours a week instead of 1, don't you care about their mental health?

[@crimson_void]

​@@arsonathan 1 hr working time is a stretch

[@charautreal]

guess what us bedrock players have been feeling since forever lol I still miss lush green shattered savannahs, curse you java edition

[@xz_axsh]

"we want better bosses" munchong: oh you mean decreased player speed?

[@Small-stick-o-butter]

69 likes, noice

[@krakenwastaken]

munchong lol🤣🤣

[@rheokalyke367]

The ironic thing is that if they just GAVE us better movement options, they could also implement more complicated, better bosses. The reason the minecraft bosses are so dull, is because the movement options we have are so dull. The most advanced thing that you can use in practical gameplay is "Elytra bouncing" where you build up momentum by bouncing using an elytra instead of normal walking.

[@DEMOMANGAMINGREAL]

Munchong lol

[@donutguy804]

@@Small-stick-o-butter "noice" in the big '25 😭🙏

[@Terminated_Account]

The vast majority of players didn't even considered these as bugs, mojang "fixed" something THE VAST MAJORITY DIDN'T EVEN KNEW WAS A BUG... BUT WONT FIX SHIT PEOPLE BEGGED THEM FOR YEARS AND A DECADE TO FIX... i cannot believe these are the people with the most successful game ever made, absolutely baffling.

[@Clown_Code]

Real this shit is bad and I can't even speak for bedrock players

[@sirpuffin08]

I mean, it was reported as a bug by a player, so someone out there definitely did see it as such

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

It was literaly reported as one... not normalising your vectors is a bug.

[@Terminated_Account]

@@sirpuffin08well... i didn't mean literally haha, i meant more like the vast majority of players didn't know, we gotta find that dude tho, to talk... obviously.

[@Terminated_Account]

@@quedtion_marks_kirby_moddingdamn ill change it then, i already see all the people that didn't check the comments spamming me about it LOL, i obviously know it was reported as a bug...

[@electra_]

I feel like the fix here is pretty simple tbh, just buff sneaking speed to be the same as everyone always did it (diagonally) then your survival builders, and your speed-bridgers, get the same speed they're used to. people who know to sneak diagonally won't notice a difference, and anyone who hadn't figured it out will get a small boost.

[@yeastus4293]

the majority of the time speedbridging is spent not sneaking though...

[@Gedof]

That seems like the sanest thing to do. It doesn't feel right to me for sneaking diagonally to be faster, when walking diagonally isn't, so I was in favor of the change despite the negatives. But your solution is just the best of both worlds, increase straight sneaking speed instead of decreasing diagonal.

[@yeastus4293]

wait i'm so sorry i have horrible reading comprehension, that's my bad

[@MakingPancakes]

The fix is revert it because nothing was broken in the first place, this affects nothing and has no positive impact at all other than arbitrary unimportant numerical computer logic . So why did they do it and what reason is there to keep it.

[@Myshora]

I'm upvoting this idea if it appears on the feedback petition

[@thenameofxavier]

It's not a bug if it's become a staple mechanic millions have gotten familier with and built maps around... it's a feature.

[@currntheducky]

@@thedigiboi wrong bug my guy

[@B.L.U.S]

it is still a bug either way

[@fallencharlie12]

​@@Porgoesreal

[@thenameofxavier]

@B.L.U.S nuh-uh

[@alexsiemers7898]

And let me guess, wobbly rockets in Kerbal Space Program are also a feature that we should just accept and embrace too?

[@SemiHypercube]

If Mojang is gonna nerf speed bridging like this they might as well add Bedrock bridging to Java (where you can just look at the block in front to place instead of needing to look at the edge)

[@wrightcember]

rare unpopular semi post

[@fnfgammer2014]

They did it in one of the combat test snapshot, so there's chance that this will happen, since this snapshot was made to give combat parity to Java/Bedrock, and they have a history of ignoring player's complaints about changes for parity (like the copper bulb one).

[@Whatismusic123]

I'd prefer they didn't remove a skill feature for the sake of bedrock parity, would be prefered if that was removed from bedrock instead

[@monke7566]

​@@Whatismusic123bedrock is a mobile game, it won't happen

[@cyrillatsaqif]

​@@Whatismusic123 No way, bedrock is a mobile game, it would just make bridging many times harder bruh.

[@squiddler7731]

As someone who went from nothing about game dev to developing multiple entire games since Microsoft bought minecraft, I can say that this is really stupid and they should've fixed it YEARS ago if they were going to. Like fixing this is one of the first things you learn in game development, it's kinda baffling that they left it in so long and only chose now to do something about it. Hell, they even added swift sneak and didn't think to look at sneaking speed.

[@halinaqi2194]

My guess is the minecraft source code is big enough already that its easy to miss a basic logic error like this because people would assume that it was normal. That the shift speed was meant to be that fast when moving diagonally. They only decided to knock it out of the park because its a relatively simple logic error to fix normalizing your movement vectors, but didn't think of the game design ramifications of changing a core tenant of the games movement mechanics and how it feels. My guess. A higher up said to fix it because it was a bug even if the junior or experienced senior fevs knew it wasn't a good idea to fix it like this because of how it would affect the player experience lol

[@UnknownGamer40464]

It was fixed a long time ago (pre-microsoft), they just forgot to account for sneaking. Normal movement is normalized just fine.

[@itstoasty7089]

All this and we still don’t have vertical slabs

[@coleozaeta6344]

Because you’re a bad person. They won’t do it because of you.

[@moodyk.m6080]

@@coleozaeta6344 Yeah! Ur smart

[@coleozaeta6344]

@@moodyk.m6080 Thank you, but it’s a massive burden I have my indentured servant carry. I feel awfully sorry for her.

[@Dried_Bones]

​@@coleozaeta6344I don't think a piece of bread is a bad "person"...

[@coleozaeta6344]

@ DON’T QUESTION MY CHOSEN SCAPEGOAT!

[@Titanic-wo6bq]

meanwhile they also fixed a bug that I didn't know even existed relating to jumping off a ledge and fall damage... so now you take fall damage jumping off a 2 block ledge. as you can imagine this makes exploration quite annoying.

[@EEEEEEEE]

‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E

[@katewinston6333]

Clearly Steve's knees have aged and he now suffers arthritis from a 2 block fall

[@Thekillerbee28]

​​@@EEEEEEEE wtf did get translated e to and

[@NicoleColenico]

@@Thekillerbee28 "e" is "and" in Portuguese

[@AHNIALATOR-sb6ux]

The weirdest part is that these mechanics have been in the game for 15 years, but were just labeled as bugs in April

[@exploertm8738]

We should label lack of content as a bug and see what happens

[@currntheducky]

Thank you so much for covering this, Phoenix! For anyone wondering, the 2% speed reduction for walking and sprinting is caused by a 0.98x multiplier that is applied when pressing one direction key. Before the change, it would be multiplied by sqrt(2) when pressing two keys then capped back to 1, hence giving a 2.04% speed increase while moving diagonally. Now that movement is normalized, the sqrt(2) multiplier is no longer applied so it remains at 0.98, reducing the diagonal speed by 2%. The reason this is different for sneaking is because it does not reach the cap when pressing two keys, so you move sqrt(2)x faster. The additional 2% while sprinting helps especially in parkour to get that little extra distance you need to make a jump possible, and overall adds so much depth to the gamemode that it would feel completely different without it. Both being removed are caused by the same bugfix, and both being removed leaves a negative impact on the community. GO VOTE

[@3rasmian]

#save45s

[@B.L.U.S]

no

[@timohara7717]

He uhh he might e uhh left you guys behind because he realised the fact in 25w03a it was reverted and didnt want to deal with hate

[@wasp795]

should of just made if if the player is pressing these keys during this frame add velocity then normalize

[@currntheducky]

@@timohara7717 You are talking about a completely different bug. Starting sprint while moving diagonally was an unintended change in 25w02a and was fixed in 25w03a. What was mentioned in the video and the petition is the slight speed boost from any diagonal movement, regardless of sprint.

[@Sammie1053]

How are we going to jump for the beef now?!

[@BlanketFella]

Impossible

[@SD-R_IC-0nSimp]

Simple, just revert to the last version.

[@halfsine]

nobody jumps for the beef

[@scp-phenomenon014]

​@@halfsine jumping for the beef is only the honourable thing to do and I refuse to consider any other option

[@TheobaldTheBird]

Thank you for calling more attention to this. I feel like mojang is just completely blind to all competitive minecraft communities in general. I also wish we also petitioned for the sprinting while crouching/using items to not be patched in 1.21.4, but it's too late for that now :(

[@PlazmaPup1]

Something tells me that when Hytale comes out, Minecraft is going to lose a *TON* of users

[@fgvcosmic6752]

@@PlazmaPup1 doubtful honestly. Reforj may gain an audience, too. But I very much doubt many people will abandon mc

[@blehh_mae]

@@PlazmaPup1 something tells me that when hytale comes out, a few idiots are going to lose a TON of money from their wallet on a soulless minecraft ripoff

[@timohara7717]

Wasnt this ficed liked hours ago

[@dedosdeceniza]

@blehh_mae we will just have to see how they handle their community. i like thinking that maybe this time ill get to play a game that's optimized to run in my very regular pc. I swear to god minecraft runs like shit sometimes and i don't know why.

[@ohimdabiggestbird]

its not like they dont know how fundamental this change is, it effects close to every field in the game, parkour, pvp, even survival, ur not telling me some new minecraft player that just started a youtube is actually gonna shift through an acient city with that speed, you bet they're gonna try to run and die to the warden on a serious note, this is just a ginormous change, way way bigger in scale than many of us think, and as we all know, a HUGE part of minecraft being a great game is its movement, why mess with that....... and the worst part is.... like many of these dumb changes mojang are putting out.... it didn't even have to be fixed....

[@trES-2B-z4p]

The warden is SUPER easy to escape from. It’s annoying, but just leave and rejoin your world, inching away from the warden, until after a certain point, you join and are now at a safe distance.

[@CowtheCow-ym4hq]

You may be shocked to know that I did in fact sneak through an ancient city at that speed and was completely fine. But yeah, bad parity doesn't really help anyome.

[@ohimdabiggestbird]

i was just trying to prove a point yall

[@Luminessen]

fr like it’s gonna feel like when in dreams and you try to run but you can’t 😭😭 and you’re not even moving at all

[@TBNRLinky]

Yet another example of the bugs Mojang can’t fix because the players enjoy it too much.

[@bobbobber4810]

And there is still so many bugs people WANT mojan to fix but they don't. Totally disconnected from the player base.

[@timohara7717]

Like what? I dont see people mentioning any spesific bugs, yet i see them anger at this change and look its gone​@@bobbobber4810

[@lorlok623]

Fixing bugs that improve the gaming experience while not fixing bugs that hinder it, sounds just like Mojang

[@okname5335]

go ruin someone elses software we dont need lobotomized programmer opinions here, this game is about fun not about justifying pointless work for braindead software developers, you are a plague and you are the problem, not the code

[@lorlok623]

and it ain't like it's not their own fault that they are incapable of fixing the bug for so many years, where at this point players are already used to it as part of the game mechanics

[@Attentiondificil-h8u]

It’s as if a million bed wars players screamed out and were suddenly silent

[@timeblade]

Most bedwars players play on 1.8.9, or 1.18, so they’re fine.

[@Attentiondificil-h8u]

👍🏽

[@samuelcheung4799]

If you like these features that much - as we do, as amateur and professional Bedwars players - we just play on 1.18 or younger. People are complaining about the new additions as if they can't play older versions anymore.

[@chubby_dogg]

Speedbridging in the new snapshot is just as painful as 1.8.9 bedwars speedbridging now

[@stinkyballsmeller]

@@chubby_dogg speedbridging is easier in the old versions where your FOV snapped down instead of panning

[@Sarutaru06]

Bedrock players: FIX THE GAME MOJANG! Mojang: Ok. Breaking Java to match.

[@B.L.U.S]

Fixing in this case

[@imamoocow4]

@@Porgoes dang bro thats a bit much dont you think?

[@DigiSpaceProductions]

@@B.L.U.S eh, not really, its existed for so long that "fixing" it is pointless and will piss everyone off, it may be incorrect, but ruining how the game feels (which this fix does) makes everything that plays have done for the past 15+ years feel strange, which is NOT good.

[@ocks_dev_vlogs]

Honestly someone should add some parity bug reports to bring all the stupid bedrock bugs on to Java

[@durdleduc8520]

@@DigiSpaceProductions honest to god i do not think they considered speedbridging specifically when making this change. i have played minecraft for years and never noticed the strafing discrepancy; it's a bad change, but trying to say that it's completely fucked all player movement is pretty wild lol. and an old bug isn't a feature unless it becomes implemented as one later down the line. if bud powering was fixed back in the day, it would be fixing the game, but today it would be breaking it because there is dedicated logic to the mechanic -- not just because it's old.

[@Runninglizards]

Mojang starting their how fast we can ruin Minecraft speedrun

[@Xilophonen]

microsoft*

[@voidanims]

I read this as "mojang starting their how fast can we ruin Minecraft speedrunning" and i feel like that also very much applies

[@funky555]

timers been started since 1.9

[@TarynBeeswax]

They started that with changing the copper bulb to two ticks

[@scrapeddiamonds5776]

looks like microsoft needs to have the luigi treatment

[@TheEngieTF2]

Mojang in a nutshell: (X) Improve Bedrock Edition (✓) Worsen Java Edition to match Bedrock Edition

[@sfdfegsgshajrveaahhwqgshdj1174]

Also: (X) Improve bedrock (✔️) Worsen Bedrock Still think horses in boats makes more sense than turtle

[@VkngVd]

Mojang is not being *top notch* nowadays

[@abyssmage6979]

Of course they'd want to make java more like garbagerock, that's where most of their money comes from

[@enderyu]

Honestly thats just java's spaghetti code. Artificially boosting bedrock's 45° degree crouch will be an eternal bandage to please a few people who refuse to adapt. It only affects diagonal crouching, just relearn how to speedbridge.

[@PizzaVerspeiser]

​@@enderyu How is it a bandaid solution if it fixes the problem at hand permanently? Buffing the weaker option is almost always the better option than nerfing the stronger one. Most Bedrock players probably wouldn't mind their sneaking speed being increased but Java players only get deterred from the update by losing something they're used to

[@superking100]

The Pythagorean theorem brought up again? "Stay in school kids, it makes you better at PvP"

[@amirmajid5111]

Techno 😢😢😢

[@MrFlapjacklol]

From a programming perspective, i think they nerfed java rather than buff bedrock because it was easier Edit: to be clear, this was the sensible option. I explain more in a reply

[@crunch.dot.73]

This is 100% why, it's easier to just remove the intricacies from Java's movement then it is to implement them on Bedrock.

[@12omle]

Peak laziness

[@_demdemx3]

​@@crunch.dot.73 ....no..? they're normalizing movement, this isn't an "intricacy" added in by some clever guy. this is a bug that has been on java for as long as it's existed. it's several times easier to remove the movement normalization on bedrock than normalizing movement on java. this is a bug, mojang just fixed it. yall should just say you like the bug instead of saying mojang is lazy or some shit cause thats just not true

[@enderyu]

@MrFlapjacklol Bedrock has joystick controls, and joysticks smoothly change directions, unlike on pc where diagonal is pressing 2 buttons at once. How would you even implement Java's behaviour on a joystick? The joystick is isotropic and continuous, and Java's motion is discrete and directional, they are just incompatible

[@_demdemx3]

@enderyu yeah. frankly this paves the path for controller on java and is a good thing but people are so attached to a bug that they yell mojang bad on principle. sorry to parkour people and all but normalized movement is just universally a good thing both for consistency when bridging backwards/sideways and for adapting more stuff

[@danjames8314]

...they could've just made it so sneaking was 41% faster and removed the unintentional buff so all angles of sneaking were the same i dont think literally anyone would've complained about a sneak speed buff

[@lonaatic]

Yes, they would complain. Buffing sneak speed by 41% is a HUGE change, and not a positive one. Not only that sneaking will be "buffed", eating, using a shield, cobweb, slowness will also be changed. Imagine the pvp communities' anger on increasing web speed. Imagine how much jumps would be messed up in the parkour community. Imagine how much players are used to the normal sneaking speed that they move uncontrollably when sneaking. Not only that, what will happen to swift sneak? What will happen to soul speed? What would happen to the game that would fundamentally change how the game is ran and how the interactions will be? Don't be ignorant about a "sneak speed buff" and act like a mmo player in a sandbox game. Changing a game's code is much buggier, much more difficult than you think. Your swiftly typed sentence might cause a whole team of people hours to change. Instead of asking randomly for a speed buff, actually think about how to game would change.

[@ineophobe]

mojang try not to leave a bug in the game so long players get used to it challenge

[@CursedSFMS]

Holy shit fnuuy ultrakill person

[@ineophobe]

@@CursedSFMS nuh uh

[@IranianShrek]

thats very ultrakill of you to say

[@ineophobe]

@ if they patch out slam storage everything dies

[@MonitorLizardGaming]

If the copper bulb situation taught us anything, it's that Mojang does not care what we think.

[@Regulinecolt009]

You probably also thought mojang changed the way enderpearls work, huh? Like dawg this is obviously a bug

[@GSBarlev]

The copper bulb was something new, though, not something that had already been baked into decade-spanning maps, minigames and challenges. Not saying Mojang will revert this change, just that it would be far more egregious for them to not.

[@timohara7717]

If that same update taught you anything, it says they do. Two for one

[@Cass0wary_399]

Get over it.

[@alexsiemers7898]

I can’t say I blame them at this point

[@supremegamingepic]

This is like if rocket jumping was removed

[@B.L.U.S]

on wich game? the game that introduced it had it as a oversight/ exploit diagonal= fast is a bug one of the most stupid ones in gaming its embarrassing this bug stayed for this long

[@ThrarmAnimation]

​​@@B.L.U.S TF2, also your opinion is bad

[@thelemon5069]

​@@ThrarmAnimationdisagree

[@B.L.U.S]

@ your not the original commenter, also tf2 didn't introduce it and also i just said quake had it as an oversight not a bug and the developers thought said oversight was cool so it stuck around and got passed by valve which ended on tf2

[@merlinmelon]

Exactly, lol!

[@redity4836]

imagine the sneak nerf in the deep dark. from a painful experience to an excruciatingly painful experience. (without swift sneak)

[@Lylcaruis]

id actually want to kms its slow enough already and even swift sneak will make it barely as fast as it used to be

[@B.L.U.S]

its not that bad lol i just found one in my new world, you can either do a Blitzkrieg, wool land or safe sneak all are valid and require the same skill level

[@trES-2B-z4p]

Just spam leave and rejoin in your world until you’ve used this process to destroy all the shriekers

[@notlark650]

One of the main reasons I don't play vanilla anymore is the movement is too slow for me, and they just made it even slower. This can't be real

[@tweer64]

I think they only made diagonal movement slower.

[@Gedof]

@@tweer64 only diagonal crouching* movement

[@ThatGuyShrug]

@@Gedof Pheonix literally showed that ALL diagonal movement has became slower (7:21)

[@tweer64]

@ Aren't you supposed to do multiple repetitions when you do an experiment to reduce error?

[@notlark650]

@@tweer64 do you realize how much movement you do in Minecraft is diagonal???

[@Flubon11]

You also take fall damage from a lower height. Just jumping off a 2 block tall surface makes you get hurt.

[@B.L.U.S]

LOL what is mojang doing with the code, every snapshot is so broken, they are snapshots but seriously are they like rewriting the game or something?

[@alexsiemers7898]

@@B.L.U.Sjudging by all the chances related to data packs and commands, that’s not a stretch

[@GregorianMG]

​@@B.L.U.SDefinitely rewriting stuff and breaking something in the process. Definitely sounds like usual development stuff for sure.

[@drakou111]

this was a bug and has been put as "fixed" in a future snapshot thankfully

[@averymasters]

As an older dude who loves Quake, the movement was one of the things that drew me to Minecraft and helped me see past the ''kiddie'' style and really appreciate it, plus it just feels right, if anything they could make it a little faster and it would be great. But of course they want to reduce skill ceiling or something like they do in other games to get a wider audience engaged and feeling ''equal''.

[@Pachakuti-he1ph]

"Oh there is messy diagonal movement, clearly the kids just wouldn't get it. That is why they don't like Minecraft." Amazing. Quake players continue to annoy me just as much as they did in the 90s

[@MotherSoren]

​@@Pachakuti-he1ph u literally just adding shit they didnt say 😂

[@theunknowman12]

​@@Pachakuti-he1ph putting word in someone mouth and start to complain about it. How pathetic

[@charliesoulfire2140]

@@Pachakuti-he1ph room temperature IQ strawman

[@epicredhot5675]

@@Pachakuti-he1ph Don't forget your hay allergy meds handling all that straw!

[@schmingbeefin4473]

Oversight that should have been fixed from the start, it's wild they forgot to implement "diagonal movement 101" for this long. I guess because it was only while slowed down, but still you would have thought they'd find and fix this long before it would become an issue to have it removed. At this point, they could do a middleground. Have speed reductions toned down, so diagonal movement is no longer faster, but still the same speed as players are used to. It would be a slight buff overall to sneaking/eating speed, but the pros outweigh the cons here.

[@Sightnado]

see, this is exactly what Nintendo did with the Switch version of 3D World; cat dive momentum was busted in the Wii U version, so instead of nerfing cat dive momentum they buffed the standard movement speed

[@B.L.U.S]

yeah i hate how long that stayed on the game for

[@jking4854]

I mean, have you seen the bugs Minecraft's code has? Its a bunch of shredded spaghetti so it's not suprising they didn't do this from the start

[@schmingbeefin4473]

@@jking4854 Fair point, however those are typically related to block update schanigans and loading issues and all sorts of workarounds. I would hope simply handling the units you move is one of the few things that isn't a mess, as that's mostly handled by math.

[@durdleduc8520]

honestly if i was them i'd just make sneaking specifically 40% faster

[@Noah-oy4ni]

As a bedrock player, I don't want to see Java features getting removed for the sake of parity. I would prefer to see java and bedrock features coming to the opposite versions instead

[@SquintyGears]

It's actually incredibly weird it took them so long to fix crouch walking diagonally... They changed diagonal walk speedy in beta... Way before sprinting it was the fastest way to move because notch programmed it 1+1 on both axis no nerfing math at all.

[@atsunome]

Congratulations, Mojang, you made something that people hate almost as much as the Combat Update.

[@ishygddt72]

wow, a massive change that will force high level meta players to revert versions and make the experience worse for casuals? that's never happened before!

[@B.L.U.S]

not gonna like this just makes things better

[@alexsiemers7898]

“Worse for casuals” - me when I lie

[@wrightcember]

@@alexsiemers7898you should try shifting around in a cave

[@theoryofawesome_]

modern pvp is better (imo) and more complex it has a higher skill ceiling than 1.8 and is super fun the only reason people don't like it is because it's different and they believe that you can't combo people but that's not even close to true the newer versions are worse for minigames but for straight up pvp they're great although if they changed it again i would be upset so i can see where people are coming from

[@GregorianMG]

This is a snapshot, things could still change, especially when there's a petition, it could be reverted.

[@ariel_chess]

2:53 "I hope I don't make a fool of my self" *video cut*

[@DamageMaximo]

lmao yeah

[@durdleduc8520]

honest to god i think the speedbriding nerf was an unintended consequence. it's a pretty normal game dev instinct to see a glaring oversight like forgetting to normalize speed and to fix it simply so that player movement makes more, like, physical sense. there's no reason nor evidence that they made this change as a purposeful nerf to anything. obviously the best move now would be to acknowledge their mistake and revert, but i'm curious; why can't you just change the rhythm of your speedbridging to accommodate the change? this video seems to imply that speedbridging is somehow, like, fundamentally broken rather than just having a different ratio of crouch to walk time.

[@spooklass]

SO REAL

[@gamingwithblueboy4563]

1:27 I BELIVE IN THE HEARTS OF THE COMMENTS

[@lilharm]

MY GRANDPA’S COMMENT SECTION HAS NO BOTS!

[@pocketsizedweeb]

There are just some core things that you just don't change... This is one of them...

[@Small-stick-o-butter]

The second is the creepers design

[@SequenceonYT]

@@Small-stick-o-butter nah it would be nice if there were creeper variants tbh

[@Small-stick-o-butter]

@SequenceonYT It would be nice if done correctly, but I'm sure Mojang would probably find a way to mess it up, though to be fair it would have to be flawless for everyone to be on board with it

[@Whatismusic123]

@SequenceonYT lol found some kid that actually likes the new mob designs(camels, sniffer, wolves, pigs) they all are terrible

[@pocketsizedweeb]

@ There's a mod that does do creeper variants in a cool and unique way, but it doesn't fit the vanilla aesthetic. If it's like the pigs and it's textures only, then a reference to the creepers in the Minecraft spin-offs would be cool, with the original one appearing alongside the variants that are biome specific.

[@Phendet]

Minecraft timed this change perfectly with the fact that I'm learning Pythagorean theorem in math class

[@fleefie]

I just turned 20 today and I used to feel like I was part of the youngest new minecraft player wave. Thanks for maning me feel old LOL. (Pay attention in math class, I didn't do it much and now that I'm in uni it's biting me in the back at times)

[@qwerty1002]

trig is probably the thing I use most, especially helpful in engineering games. All hail the mighty arctan! stay in school kids

[@katwhodraws]

i really hope they revert this change

[@B.L.U.S]

i don't

[@EmrysLlewellyn-ECLEC]

@@B.L.U.S alright then Sir Wet Blanket the 4th

[@B.L.U.S]

@ what is that supposed to mean?

[@oofey8543]

or just dont play that version?

[@coleozaeta6344]

@@oofey8543A lot of worlds were made on that version…

[@Gabriel-lh7gy]

I'm absolutely sure Mojang is going to do the combat update this year Nothing explains these movement changes

[@AndrewMinich]

No, because that would please the Minecraft community.

[@juandastardly6196]

@AndrewMinichAura

[@timohara7717]

​@AndrewMinichahh so you wanted the walking nerfs to stay? Because that wouldnt please the community so they fixed it again

[@AndrewMinich]

@@timohara7717 no, im saying that's why mojang won't revert im just saying majong is the kind of studio to double down against community backlash for no reason

[@timohara7717]

@AndrewMinich literally only because of the horrid curse of 2022. And maybe copper bulbs. But phoenix actually literally misses where it said they reverted this

[@hahanamegobrrr6667]

This is also a one line fix. Devs just added a 'movement.normalize()' method (I don't know the exact code but that should be close) line that "fixes" this behavior. Removing that line will also "revert" this behavior

[@yuitachibana8829]

Not really, normalize creates a unit vector, they still need to scale it afterward

[@Magrijack]

“Here at Mojang, we listen to the community. Unfortunately, we are nearly deaf, so we have to incite screams of anger so we can hear them. Then we say sorry and continue what we were doing despite that.”

[@Nuniixo]

"Here at Mojang, we listen to the community. This does not mean we act on the wishes of the community, but we can indeed confirm we listen."

[@hoarsebard]

This is 100% just changing something to change something. This is the game development equivalent of busywork.

[@JessCArtist]

Personally, I think they implemented this fix mainly due to it being a common bug in many games, not really to nerf speed bridging. With the old speed, sneaking diagonally was 2.4x slower than walking diagonally, which was ofc way faster than the intended 3.33x multiplier. With the new changes, the ratio is now correctly applied, and like you said, it was a 41% reduction in speed, the same different between sqrt(1) and 1. Since people was used to the bug, it makes sense they would be mad since it accidentally increased the skill cieling of the game. I like what another commenter suggested, which was to change the ratio to become the old diagonal ratio, applying it to all directions of sneaking and not just diagonally. That way the bug would be fixed and it would make people happy. Hopefully if they do change it, they implement this solution. But yeah, the fix should have been made, just with a different solution.

[@James89227]

I don’t get a lot of the parity, changes that are negative. Maybe it might be hard to add to Java or bedrock, but both versions have lost a lot of cool quirks due to parity and it’s become extremely annoying and actively harmful to us😢

[@seanrrr]

The worst part is that it's not about hard-to-add features. There are multiple instances where they removed features they already added, like the copper bulbs. Creating more work for themselves to give the players a worse experience.

[@alexsiemers7898]

@@seanrrrlet me ask; have _you_ ever thought of any situation where the copper bulb’s one-tick updating would be useful to anyone not into SciCraft levels of redstone?

[@wrightcember]

@@alexsiemers7898when is a copper bulb useful to anyone who isnt doing intense redstone? the fact is, the fact that a 1 tick input was possible was revolutionary for those who *would use it.* it doesnt matter that it doesnt affect the regular player when there are specific groups who will use it. its the same as giving someone in a wheelchair the thing they need to be able to walk independently forever, only to take it away because most people dont need the help

[@lorlok623]

why put the extra effort in addung features to both versions, when they could do less work by removing features on beneath of the same excuse

[@audriusskebas3099]

@@alexsiemers7898 I mean is the 1 tick bulb harmful?

[@enderspider5001]

Funny how what is essentially an amateur game dev mistake, took so long to get fixed, that now players want mojang to break the other verion instead of fixing this one

[@B.L.U.S]

lol yes

[@catandcomparator]

two scug pfps spotted

[@chrono-eventless6956]

it's not even essentially it's literally that this was a thing due to notch getting the math for normalizing the movement wrong back when he was making the game

[@The14Some1]

The beauty of every game and this particularly is not in perfection. It is actually opposite. We're learning all that little quirks and imperfections, learning how to turn their downsides into advantages, getting used to them, and this by the fact is what makes the game fun for us. We call them "game mechanics" and nobody actually give a shit about how accurate they represent the real world.

[@James2210]

I think you need to turn on anisotropic filtering. Something funky is going on with those gold blocks.

[@BIoxby]

minecraft is just like that

[@lunar532]

in parkour civilization, nobody can jump for the beef. not since *the update*, at least

[@ponfi0275]

Jumping is 40% shorter. In parkour civilisation, we have to use snow layers to climb up blocks.

[@B.L.U.S]

@@ponfi0275 diagonal sneak jumping*

[@ConnelWall]

Phoenix, you're on a fricking roll, i know you just had a week long sick break, but dont overwork yourself catching up

[@door-handle-of-the-door-cow]

41 percent? That's almost like having a permanant slowness 3 effect!

[@tehcodekid8421]

Next they’re gonna make the whiplash build up hard damage- Wait, wrong game.

[@Xigzagamer]

I'm still annoyed that they nerfed sprint sneaking, in the previous update which is in the same class of "bugs." A feature that made the game more fun to play, makes movement overall faster, and gave it a higher skill ceiling.

[@CosmicTailz]

I feel like such a nerd after audibly going "YAAAAY PYTHAGOREAN THEOREM"

[@wisefries4205]

you're a nerd 👑🐷

[@androixs]

steve runs at the same speed than me in my dreams

[@rhettorical]

They told us that Java would remain the "real" version and that Bedrock would be brought up to parity with it. They lied.

[@bracken8782]

Frankly, I saw this coming from several miles away the moment they made bedrock edition’s title just ‘minecraft.’ I knew Java was going to get enshittified, and yet nobody seemed to notice.

[@charautreal]

even then that parity also has hurt bedrock, it has made us loose a lot of cool features

[@Amy_399]

As a parkour player, ouch

[@gayMath]

i kind of like it because I really do not like it when diagonal walking is optimal in games, but i also dislike it because if you just hit all the player self slowed types of walking at once at least try to make up for it feeling that much slower by like, letting people sprint crouch again or making starting crouching slow you down extra but also change the default crouching speed to the 40% faster speed people like across the board. like people like their current movement mechanics, you have to make the pill easier to swallow. hope they don't revert it honestly but i also hope they fill the void it leaves back with something

[@gianttacogod]

I think we have hit the point. The creative block. Minecraft devs are no longer making unique stuff but rather “fixing” issues in their eyes despite everyone else loving the believed “issue”

[@jking4854]

I think we may have reached that point long ago

[@notlark650]

Yeah we reached this point a while back

[@scrapeddiamonds5776]

so in short: they hate fun and they want more money.

[@hellothepixel1107]

...I'm a game dev. This is the kind of bug I would've fixed at the end of my shift because I just saw the bug report, went "oh shit it isn't normalized??? This should've been fixed Ages ago, I don't even need to consult this cuz it's so obviously a bug, so let me just fix this in five and be done for the day" And then I wake up and people like you are claiming this is the end of Minecraft or whatever. And then I quit my job cuz I can't keep doing this shit anymore with this community

[@al_eggs]

They were doing great in 1.13, 14, 15, 16, and 17. The pandemic halted their momentum and they haven’t really recovered since.

[@antioof2388]

I feel like if something has been in a game for longer than a year or so, bug or not, you need more input from the players to change it.

[@maxdrags3115]

No they don't, just stop being entitled and grow up.

[@radarlovelizard]

​@@maxdrags3115 brother youve got 55 comments on this channel and i dont wanna know how many of them are just this. get up and drink a glass of water or something

[@theunknowman12]

​@@maxdrags3115 yes they need input from us players because we are literally the one who played the game. How about you stop whinning and get outta here

[@FluffyMapleMan]

I don’t understand why they would add this to Java because it’s not like there adding the feature where you can bridge in front of you

[@iceyberq]

The number on the thumbnail is wrong if you are moving at 1.41 units then now you move at 1 units it would be a loss of 29% to return to 1

[@shortax7]

if the standard is 1 unit and your speed increase is 141% or 1,41 and they reduce the increase by 41% then its a reduction of 41%. You compare it to the normal speed value and not the buffed value

[@CowtheCow-ym4hq]

Nerfs like this aren't a good solution but I'd like to point out that bedrock has been suffering from "bad parity" like this for YEARS, so let's not pretend that this is some revolutionary new issue. Ultimately though, Mojang needs to bring together the best features of both bedrock and java, even if it means accepting bugs as features. While we have seen a shift towards good parity, such as with baby squids and salmon sizes coming over to java, it does seem like the shift is primarily bedrock to java and not the other way around. Could just be confirmation bias though. There's also a point to be made about how the parity effort seems very caught up in the little bugs rather than the big features, such as the offhand or potion cauldrons or tridents. A moment of silence for horses in boats, shattered savanna grass, maps that actually tell you where you are, and all the other victims of bad parity. Let's hope that this doesn't join them.

[@FrostyWalrus]

steve is tired from a decade of nonstop sprint jumping

[@B.L.U.S]

yes please bring that element into bedrock parity

[@danolantern6030]

Replace his joints with iron so he can continue

[@CrazyFanaticGamer]

Sipover must be really excited.

[@ieatorangepaint]

How do they expect us to do neo jumps with this??

[@ZYD-g1e]

in bridging civilisation you never go for the speed bridge.

[@Inspirator_AG112]

*If this change is going through, then at least buff non-diagonal crouching to be on par.* (These comments are toxic though.)

[@shiagururdnot2116]

I think the nerv makes more sense since you'd expect to have the same speed when moving diagonal as when you're moving forward and sideways.

[@Cirque-du-Filet-Mignon]

Yeah but its been in the game for so long and is made to be like Quake the video game. Therefore, too late to change this now

[@LinkiePup]

Classic Mojang L. Changing things that were fine for no reason. And no matter how much we riot, or ask them to change it back, they wont. Mojang has this active distain for their player base. The wont revert it.

[@alexsiemers7898]

Considering how the community acts I don’t fucking blame them tbh

[@Catboy_Riku]

Hey buddy, If your shift activated too early, that means you pressed it too early....

[@The-eternal-nerd]

Why is everyone commenting before they even finished the video?

[@Chrome_zzz]

because yapping is more important than listening, apparently

[@TokoFukawasWife]

Sigh, because I wanted my comment to be seen. I saw my chance seeing as I was early to this video

[@ez_Offonline]

Fr

[@The-eternal-nerd]

@@TokoFukawasWife same

[@briansanims1507]

because society is society

[@monke7566]

3:25 just technoblade explained why the ancient greeks made him better at pvp, we now have phoenix explaining why the same guy makes people slower at the game

[@ScottPIayz]

Who thought this was a good idea, sneaking is already painfully slow and they decide the faster way needs to be slower???

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Well, THE POINT of the mechanic is "slow or else", would you rather sneaking just be Removed?

[@merlinmelon]

​@@youtubeuniversity3638It just makes the gameplay worse for no good reason. It's not like diagonal sneaking was an overpowered mechanic

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

@@merlinmelon Who are you to decide what is and is not worse? Seems to me like so many players can't stand even the tiniest instances of the game saying "No, this game is built to have SOME limits, so as to avoid so much sheer player power that all of it becomes meaningless." Like nobody wants to actually be invested feels like, so impatient everyone. Arrow to temple, you are tasked with making A Desireable Action/Process Being Slow a Non-Negotiable and Innately Valuable part of MC, how do you keep your grey matter from being fine pink mist?

[@altar8010]

​@@youtubeuniversity3638It literally worse and 99% of people would agree many pakour map are broken, bridging community are gonna be divided like 1.8 and 1.16.1 player

[@merlinmelon]

@@youtubeuniversity3638 I'm a player who cares about the game and it's future. This "fix" changes the fundamentals of movement, it's not a new mechanic, it's something that's been in the game for years, something people have gotten used to. This diagonal movement is very useful for building, and I'm a player who likes to build, a lot. To me this is the opposite of a quality of life change to me. It makes it more tedious, and nobody wants their favorite game to suddenly be 44% more tedious. Bedrock has no-shift bridging, Java doesn't, so diagonal movement is something people rely on. I'm fine with limitations if they make the game more interesting, what's interesting about this!?

[@Commandthealiens]

It makes it difficult to vote when their website doesn't allow you to log in.

[@Razoonn]

I am now just very interested to see how the modern bedwars community will respond to this bridging change

[@mvnobody1404]

They also removed sprint sneaking, which is when you start sneaking while sprinting for the sneak to the a bit faster

[@Wildez272]

Oh god, please no

[@muskelin]

Nooooooo

[@Small-stick-o-butter]

Whyyyyyyy

[@cannibalistic-cucumber]

If they can leave quasiconnectivity in, they can leave diagonal movement alone

[@mospusthespider1246]

No way we got SpeedbridgeSC

[@ZorlsOther]

So, an update has been released that will prevent players from doing parkour, which isn't the focus of the game whatsoever? The only consequences I see, as a result of this update, are minor issues that will ultimately only affect sweats.

[@KompadoodleLEL]

its a useless change that wont do anything but annoy people

[@michaelwashboard2323]

You seriously going to make fun of people who are just enjoying challenging parkour? A company decides to fix a an non-issue that hardly changes normal gameplay at all, but punishes many people for technical play, how does this at all seem fair? Mojang should at least make it a toggleable option so people can choose to have this feature, if they decide to go against the wishes of these players.

[@mickabajerski4985]

I need mojang to get sued and sell minecraft to another company.

[@krefcik772]

I'm going to sleep - this is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, and it's 5 in the morning.

[@epicortonotepic8314]

​@@krefcik772 okay buddy 👍

[@nolananderson6139]

something else they did that nobody seemed to notice, whenever you deploy elytra your sprint is reset. it never used to be like that, but now you cant elytra sprint. i play a lot of survival minecraft, and this change made it way clunkier to wear elytra in general

[@Razorblayd_23]

So Mojang is fine adding “parity” by making speed-bridging the same speed as on bedrock, but people playing bedrock don’t even speed bridge like players in Java because they can just place blocks in front of themselves. Makes sense.

[@ExzaktVid]

Bedrock bridgers not being affected:

[@v5hr1ke]

Once again, Mojong favoring nerfs over buffs for the sake of parity. As a Bedrock Edition main player, I'm disappointed. Misspelling intentional.

[@MerkONeil]

My main gripe w/ a change like this is how much its going to effect general gameplay. Once they make your movement slower, everything becomes slower too (Building, Exploring, And traveling long distances).

[@sadeeper]

Yeah if you travel by sneaking and holding 2 movement keys

[@southpawcyclops]

Never watched a video this soon after it releases