Physicist Reacts to Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens - The Dark Forest

[@bobjackson5525]

Shoutout to the guy that recommended you to the dark forest. I hope everything goes well with him 💯

[@bloustinholmes930]

I just got hip to the three body problem book series

[@mrexists5400]

I read a book that had a similar answer to the fermi paradox, but instead of just the ones that are quiet keeping their heads down being the only civilizations out there, it was one big ancient galaxy wide civilization that was wiping out anything that could be a threat and the ones keeping quiet were the survivors

[@emircanayyldz7814]

I love that idea, there are also two all time favourite games resolving around this topic: Dead Space and Serious Sam series. They both handle this answer to the Fermi Paradox in a pretty fun way.

[@spamfilter32]

I think that is called the Barserker hypothesis, from wich the Dark Forest was derived.

[@donnienarko321]

Shout-out to the dude about to submit his Master's Thesis for suuuuure. I just barely went back to school after 10 years of hard times. I won't lie, hard times persist, but I feel really good about going back to school, and going back has reintroduced to how stressful school can be even when life is going smoothly. I'm still undergrad though, I can't imagine how insanely difficult a MASTER'S thesis would be while going through things as intense as back surgery! Like wow, I seriously can't even put the respect I have for that dude's struggles and perseverance into words without feeling like I'm falling horribly short of describing how much I admire how he's getting it done anyway. Man, I only hope I can be as resilient as that when I move up to grad school. But it is comforting to know it can be done, because he's obviously doing it! I look forward to the day I hear about him receiving his Master's, and subsequently his PhD if he's planning on going that route. I have no doubt he will get that PhD if he goes for it. Long comment, I know, but for real... Mad respect to that guy for pushing through till the end. Amazing!

[@Raktus]

Forge of God/Anvil of Stars are my two favorite books covering the concept of the Dark Forest, also by my favorite science fiction writer Greg Bear (Rest in Peace)

[@Kilwede1]

Shoutout to your friend! Congratulations and great job and I wish you a speedy recovery bro!

[@StephanG007]

I can't help but feel that when people think about these sorts of things, that they impose an aweful lot of human nature onto aliens. Things like curiosity, wonder, awe, etc. The thing that we seem to be in a bit of denial about, is that beneath all of our higher thoughts and emotions, we do things the things that we do because of what we enjoy. We ponder questions like these simply because we like pondering them. Because it's fun. And the thing that people don't seem to have quite grasped yet, is that we have NO IDEA what kind of things aliens enjoy.

[@mikicerise6250]

Is this human nature? On our planet, attempting to slaughter every creature you find is a piss poor survival strategy. Not even the fiercest predators employ it, only Hollywood movie monsters. 😛

[@adamwu4565]

This is simply an extrapolation of the Copernican Principle that has guided pretty much all of cosmological science, which states that we aren't special. Our galaxy, our sun, our planet, our moment in time, our local region of spacetime, our biosphere, our species, all of it, is not special. Just average. Which means that our thoughts and our nature, our feelings, our drives, our needs, these too, should not be special. Just average. There may be a vast diversity of life in the universe beyond anything we could imagine. Aliens out there who think and feel in ways we cannot even comprehend. But we are not special. Just average. Which means that the way WE think and feel is also not special. Just average. And for every alien out there that is beyond comprehension, there should be several more than ARE comprehensible, that DO share at least SOMETHING with us. They may have SOME thoughts and desires and feelings and drives that are wholly alien. But they should have some others that are highly familiar. Because we are not special. Just average. And these aliens that we CAN comprehend, at least to some degree, should, together, constitute the MAJORITY of aliens out there. Because we are not special. Just average. Each one might share a DIFFERENT set of things with us. And each one might have SOME things about them that are wholly alien. But they will all share SOMETHING. Something that will allow us to at least comprehend a part of what they are and what they are like. And those aliens that are wholly alien and incomprehensible we may never find and never recognize. But all these others that do share some stuff with us, we CAN find and CAN comprehend. At least a bit. And maybe even communicate with and share things with. Because we are not special. Just average. And that's what average means. Plus, how can we imagine or describe or even talk about things which our brains are not capable of processing? The only aliens we CAN think about at all are the ones that ARE in some way familiar and similar to ourselves. So that's the type of aliens we DO talk about. It's the only thing we CAN do.

[@ethanbrock5453]

@@adamwu4565 I understand what your saying and agree, but I've always wondered if even thinking we are average may be a fallacy. We simply don't have any other reference points to even start answering such a question. It is of course quite a logical conclusion to say we are average, even if life is exceedingly rare.

[@Stickyrolls123]

@@ethanbrock5453 I feel you man and use to think the same way then someone explained it to me think of it in an evolution way. We survived because of those instincts that we are projecting on to theoretical aliens. It stands to reason then that they would have those same instincts. That being said though I guarantee there are exceptions. In a near infinite universe maybe life evolved somewhere with out a lot of competition though that seems difficult to believe. Also what about the idea that the more we evolve in a thinking/philosophy/ethics kind of way the more we go away from our more base animal ways of thinking. So whos to say that a species couldnt lose some of those instincts after a long time.

[@Sk8forsocks]

i feel like you dont know more than the actual scientist that thought of these theories so stop trying to discredit it when you are literally nothing. Same goes for the guy in the video.

[@aroncanapa5796]

you should cover anton petrovs video about how manmade objects outweigh the entire biosphere would love to hear your thoughts on that because thats terrifying to me

[@Back_Fire2468]

💯

[@yxngwood6536]

Definitely good idea mate

[@pjdougherty6442]

I believe there’s life out there… but I also believe we’re so astronomically far apart that we’ll never ever meet each other.

[@JLL_29]

If we ever get a chance than we COULD meet them in the future, they are most likely extinct by now. But theres still a chance we can meet other life outside our solar system

[@Hoytash]

Also shoutout to old mate. hope he gets a HD for the thesis!

[@______IV]

I really think the most productive first contact would be a massive exchange of music and art.

[@tjw2469]

A civilization can be friend with other civilizations countless times, but it can only die once

[@yushion5804]

Everyone should say hello before double checked their weapons 'safety. Even though you don't wanna use it.

[@gamers-xh3uc]

@@yushion5804 how do you know hello is your hello?

[@yushion5804]

@@gamers-xh3uc just be "honest"

[@Elydir]

I'm just going to point out that people like Mengele, or doctors from Unit 731 were also scientists looking for answers. One's way of looking for answers may not necessarily be good for everyone involved.

[@speedy01247]

yeah, the "greater good" has caused many atrocities, for example removing those who cannot help society like those with mental disabilities or those to physically disabled to have meaningful impacts could help humanity as a whole by removing the burden of them, one could using that argument commit horrible atrocities in the name of the "greater good" others can argue that removing "radical" views would be beneficial and thus ban all sorts of things using that same argument. its hard to not at one point or another think the world would be better off without one group or another and perhaps it will be, but that is the problem atrocities can be committed because the argument is true, like killing all pedophiles or rapists, yeah the world would be better off without them, but odds are many innocents will die in the act of removing them and it will lead to those in power choosing pragmatism over true justice when it comes to deciding who is who. Like I can't even argue against my last claim, it shows how easy it is to justify this stuff, I am fairly certain I would support the removal of all rapists and pedophiles even if it means lining them up and shooting them.

[@xFurashux]

One thing that is a common mistake in talking about Kurzgesagt. It's not a 1 guy but a whole team. They just use 1 voice guy.

[@galoistheorem4508]

I think the answer has to do with a maturity. How mature we are as a mankind to be ready to meet new intelligent life outside of our realm. I don't know, I really liked one of final section of "All Tomorrow" when mankind are finally ready to meet others outside of galaxy.

[@adamwu4565]

Well the idea of maturity goes in both directions though. Like, when is a baby ready to meet and interact with adults? Not all of it is on the baby's capability or maturity. A lot of it is up to the adults. The mature adult can CHOOSE to restrain themselves from taking the interaction into regions the baby is not mature enough to participate in, and STILL produce a meaningful relationship with that baby. And some adults might not want to do that, and might want to leave the baby alone until it has grown up. But other adults are perfectly happy to engage that baby in a tickle game or peekaboo. If there are lots of adults around that baby, you're bound to find some of every type. Similarly, advanced aliens more "mature" than humanity are perfectly capable of restraining themselves and limiting their interactions with humanity to regions that humans are already capable of participating fruitfully, if they WANT to so interact with humanity. Their greater maturity indeed makes it EASIER for them to do this than it would be for humanity to do the opposite, to grow to reach their level. And maybe there are many aliens who would not want to bother, and would rather wait for humanity to cross some threshold of capability or understanding before making contact. But if there are lots of aliens out there and a wide diversity among them of interests and attitudes, then there should be at least SOME who think differently, and are perfectly happy, perhaps even eager, to engage with humans no matter how "immature" our civilization might be by their metrics, and fully capable of shaping that interaction into one that is beneficial for both of us (or maybe, just for them, if they are so inclined). Ergo, the idea that there are aliens out there just waiting for humans to cross some threshold of "maturity" before making contact is really only tenable if we assume that that total number of aliens close enough to Earth for contact to be made is already quite a small number to begin with.

[@oLevLovesLove]

Typical misconception of Dark Forest hypothesis is that it has anything to do with human nature and our legacy of conflict. It is likely that first contact with aliens will be peaceful and so will the next 100. However it only takes one bad contact with asshole aliens to end your civilization, and this possibility is also hypothesized by all aliens. When two hunters spot each other at the edge of the clearing it doesn't matter whether they shoot each other. If they stepped into the light to initiate contact there is a non zero chance that a third, unseen hunter ends them both. The way out of the Dark Forest scenario is if there were multiple alien civilizations in contact with each other, sharing culture and mixing populations across multiple worlds while proactively seeing out more uncontacted aliens to invite them to do the same. A galactic community would do many things to improve the wealth and technology of its participants and above all they would agree to rightly end any asshole aliens that start slinging RKVs around. This would be like if the metaphorical clearing in the dark forest had a village full of aliens partying with big fires, loud music and smell of delicious food. No new alien that contacted them would dare to attack because there is no way to kill them all before retaliation, but if they step out into the light they get to join the party. Yet the clearing is empty, there is no fire to be seen and no music to be heard in the dark forest. It isn't a matter of our technology being insufficient to detect aliens because a galactic community would be looking for us to bring us into the light and preempt us from becoming paranoid RKV slinging assholes. So long as we observe no aliens, the Dark Forest solution to the Fermi Paradox remains a possibility.

[@adamwu4565]

The presence of a possible third, unseen party, also works the other way. Either of the two hunters, if contemplating the risk-benefit ratio of shooting the other preemptively, has to consider the possibility that this third, unseen party will observe them doing it, and, now having seen how aggressive and dangerous they are, triangulates their location from their muzzle-flash and shoots them in turn.

[@foochooz]

keep up the good work mate!

[@KC.801]

Love your vids been watching since you first started watching Rick and morty and haven’t stopped watching. Keep making banger vids.

[@jamescheddar4896]

IMO the logic of throwing that much energy across interstellar space is shakey. it's either a shepherd or a berserker

[@softan]

I can't help but thinking that a highly advanced civilization may not be bound to only one planet, or maybe even planets at all. My point is that annihilating a planet may not be enough to wipe out that civilization and now you've set yourself up for retaliation. So maybe the smart move wouldn't be to strike first.

[@SeleverEnjoyer]

18:10, a civilization that has solidified their presence outside of their star system would probably mean one thing: survival is inevitable so, maybe, expansion is a must.

[@Hoytash]

I'd love a video where you go through a thesis, or even talk through your research you're doing for you PhD defense

[@nope9183]

I wonder if any message we can comprehend of making is intelligent enough to send out.

[@jordonbond7719]

Love falling asleep to this guy.

[@winterrobot9605]

Mostly in jest here, but I'm a bit hesitant to trust a VPN when its creator has this much trouble using a camera. Also, I agree with you in that advanced interstellar civilization would probably see much more value in gaining information and partnerships with other civilization rather than simply destroying. And I think if a civilization becomes that advanced, they would probably have a wide variety of some pretty well-thought-out protections and contingency plans in place, knowing that a violent encounter would always be a possibility. Not necessarily for the purposes of "winning" but rather an ability to remove ourselves from said situations as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

[@pleasegoawaydude]

I guess the thing is that it's not about the value of destroying them. It's about the risk of not doing it. Yeah, you'll have defenses and security and all that, but what does it matter if you fail the gamble once, and your entire species is wiped from the universe? I personally do think that the Dark Forest theory is very unlikely, but the logic has not been proven unsound by our current understandings of the universe. Either way I enjoy the idea of the theory and the books by Cixin Liu that popularized it! :)

[@AngeloXification]

I feel the same way, there is so much more information to gather and potential things to learn. The same reason why we shouldn't destroy the amazon or oceans because there is still so much to learn from them.

[@winterrobot9605]

We are all theoretically in danger of being erased as a species at any time, and not just from alien life. The only gambit is running into alien life while traveling about in space, which, given the size of the universe, seems pretty much impossible. A potential safety measure, though, might be to not gather our species all in one place, or even have stationary settlements. We increase survival chances by planning for all probable scenarios in advance.

[@warrenmac]

The Forever War covers interstellar war over hundreds of years as well. Worth the read in my opinion

[@TML0677]

18:42 Like we joined forces with chickens?

[@matthewthole6878]

How crazy would it be if the Chixulub asteroid was “sent” by an advanced civilization as a first strike. Like they showed up, saw all these giant monsters down here and they were like, “kill them with fire!” 😂

[@kylelieb2977]

Statistics currently gives us no answers on the Fermi paradox.

[@jameswheeler4915]

Everything you can think off is possible the universe is endless

[@sndk7627]

We're here for you both

[@THINKMACHINE]

Honestly the dark forest analogy falls apart when you consider that even if it is completely correct, you should still see attempts to establish contact all over the place... just in locations far removed from the territory of whoever is making the effort, where a lurking attacker would find nothing but a relay.

[@saucevc8353]

Space travel and large radio transmitters are expensive prospects. It'd take a good sized organization to build and it definitely wouldn't be inconspicuous. The governments of that world could easily see it being built and put an end to it.

[@damianbouras]

You assume we're just as capable in detecting alien civilizations as the "hunters" If all civilizations get destroyed after trying contact a few times, they didn't get the chance to make themselves known to the civilizations like us who aren't adept at listening

[@stuboyd1194]

There are upwards of 100 billion stars in the Milky Way alone. There should be enough free real estate on habitable planets to avoid treading on other life form's toes.

[@hesiiii]

that relies on the idea of life, specifically advanced civilizations to be a rarity. if we find evidence of even just micro bacteria on just our neighboring planets, think about what that means for the density of life in every other solar system

[@cesarzayas4307]

Our signals decayed to noise.., makes me think what if there are infinite amounts of intelligence out there and there signals have decayed and that’s what actually makes the cosmic microwave background

[@JracoMeter]

If an intelligent species were to become aware of us, why would they choose to interact with us? How likely is it we would know they are aware? If they're already aware the only reason to interact with us is because a reason presents itself (such as our realization of them and/or interacting with something that endangers them). I personally think it is more likely for an advanced species to be aware of us before we find a planet with them on it. If that is the case, our best bet to learning about other intelligent life is to advance technology and better understand what we are observing.

[@yushion5804]

First of all, do they.... No, do we think we are a friendly species worth any risk to interact with????

[@rixkc-1374]

Shout out to my boy studying quantum physics best of luck to you

[@Suppise152]

Wake up babe, new thumbnail just dropped

[@thegeordie4life550]

I love how nearly thumbnail you pick a snap where your jawline is most prominent, under the right lighting 😂

[@fk2252]

I’d argue engineers are just as smart as scientists but in different ways. They are similar in the amount of teamwork and communication skills needed while scientists go more into the theoretical side of things and engineers actually bring ideas to life for us to use. Without science there would be no engineering but without engineering science could not progress.

[@petrkinkal1509]

I think you could say scientist figure out the rules and engineers then figure out what you can do with them. (Just my likely wrong opinion.)

[@kuyab9122]

I don't know if it's being "responsible" most notably for a scientist to claim for certain that something exists without solid evidence and relying solely on statistics. But let us qualify life outside of our own. Is it intelligent life? Or is it just the most basic form of life like one-celled organisms?

[@DrunkTalk]

Imagine encountering an alien species with no common language, starting with 1+1=2, and working all the way up to something like the big bounce theory.

[@minuette1752]

I am getting an outer limits episode, quite a few actually and memories of them coming up thinking about all of this.

[@joshdrahos3237]

Given the number of planets it would seem that it is all but impossible for us to exist alone in the universe. Whether we ever make contact with them or not, that's another story.

[@solsystem1342]

One thing I always come back to is if our james Webb telescope could see earth from like 100LY (and tell it's atmosphere is like 1/4 oxygen). In what situation would someone a) have the capability and desire to kill us and b) no be able to see us already. They somehow need the space infrastructure to send RKMs but still lack the ability to detect the planets they are firing at. Basically, if someone was going to take the shot they would have done it before humans ever existed. Edit: also, unless you are the best hunter in the forest someone else will kill you eventually. Why would to feed into a scenario where your destruction is nearly guaranteed? Why not instead work to establish peace so that your survival is much more likely. Perhaps you'll be stabbed in the back but, the more friends you have the less likely someone can take all of you.

[@pleasegoawaydude]

The idea of the Dark Forest somewhat hinges on the idea that most species would know to hide either instinctively or by logical deduction, and as such those species who are boisterous would be unimportant until they suddenly aren't anymore. By that point, they're visible as hell and they're already on their way to becoming a threat, and then can be dispatched of instantly so that the resources can be reallocated to protection from species that hide better, and are therefore inherently more threatening.

[@genesy4311]

Pls react to Vsause banach tarski paradox , this always confused me

[@izzycrybaby1164]

Even if it meant death, the proof of other life would greatly benefit humanity. I mean statistically speaking, the more you f*ck around, the more you find out.

[@angrymeowngi]

I have the same thinking as with AI. True AIs (self aware and really really have a great "I") will most likely be either: (1) care about things extremely beyond us, or (2) will not care about us at all. The only difference between the first and the second is that the former may be more beneficial for us. The latter simply means that it will leave earth and that would be it. It will explore. I agree that part of intelligence is curiosity. It will have a vast 'space' to explore, so why stay on earth? We only perceieve extreme scarcity of resources if we only think Earth is all there is. An AI smart enough will know that there are resources far beyond the solar system. Similarly, an alien civilization will care about things beyond what we do or not care about things like us. Why invade a small rock infested by something that is destroying itself? The smart thing to do would be just to let it be. Both will surpass our civilization in both time and space. Surely, they may even have a different level of intelligence--temporal or dimensional in nature. And without that perspective, most species, in my opinion, will not leave their rock.

[@pleasegoawaydude]

I don't think that the smart thing to do is to leave it be, though. Because I agree with the Dark Forest on exponential and unpredictable growth. The problem is it feels like you all think of it as a mix of philosophy and strategy. It's not. It's just simple pragmatic survival. In a Dark Forest universe, the risk posed by one civilization being allowed to advance to or beyond your level is the highest. Total annihilation. It doesn't really matter how unlikely it is, because if it happens, your entire history is erased and you never existed. We probably do not live in a Dark Forest, but it feels as though most people misinterpret the scale at which they should be analyzing the concept.

[@angrymeowngi]

@@pleasegoawaydude again, the difference in our opinion is that philosophy of how "advance civilizations" remains a slave to "survival". None of what you said is pure strategy. It is simply philosophy just like mine. And that is okay, your game theory application is at the foundation influence by your philosophy on this matter.

[@saucevc8353]

"Why invade a small rock infested by something that is destroying itself" The real answer is, why not? At our current level, it'd be trivial to kill us all and strip mine our planet, as easy as cutting down a few trees is to us. But if you leave us alone, there's a chance, even a small chance, that we WON'T all die, that we'll live, expand, grow into something dangerous. You stand to gain by invading and you stand to lose by leaving us alone.

[@tartarus1478]

Hi Dylan, I saw this thing talking about an element (xenon 129) being on mars and it might indicate that there was a nuclear strike there once. Is this true or are there other ways to produce xenon 129 naturally? Thanks

[@CChissel]

Some meteorites contain large amounts of xenon-129, so yes it does occur naturally, at least in some asteroids.

[@tartarus1478]

@@CChissel I figured as much. So not evidence of nuclear fallout. Coolio

[@allan_archie]

Shoutout to that dude

[@cudawade2540]

I have a question about the vpn? How do you change the sever location

[@yxngwood6536]

would love to see a reaction video to Fraser Cain no more big rip,pillars of creation by jwst video aaaaaaand my dyslexia just made me correct jwst to just about 9 times😂

[@Karlsefni1]

Shoutout to our man who got back surgery stay wholesome gg

[@amirloreilhe3833]

Nice you made a vpn

[@squintywhisper8247]

You should watch Orville. Not necessarily to do a reaction, but just for fun :)

[@WhichIsIt]

Is the encryption one of the ones being tested for the new standard? Like AES was before

[@John-ci8yk]

It's your Channel, it's your livelihood and I wouldn't begin to tell someone how to do their job.( referring to KZbin, also I only had track three physics in high school) That said, how stupid was the guy that designed the SL1 nuclear reactor near Idaho Falls. You know the one in 1961 where the rods would get stuck and they would send a guy on top of the reactor to physically manhandle the rods. And after finally getting the rod unstuck he accidentally pulled it past the 4-in mark. Thus causing the water in the reactor to flash boil and sending the control rod like a piston up through the reactor , through the technician and impelling him to the roof of the building. And before anyone tries to say that this is an urban legend the atomic energy commission made a film about it in 1962 explaining the accident. If anyone's looking for it, it's called the SL1 accident on the nuclear vault Channel. Now I don't know what sells on KZbin when it comes to getting views, I mean I watch this girl physicist react to how bad is Homer Simpson as a nuclear technician. And she had a ton of views. Yeah I get it she's a girl she's going to get more views than you but it just seemed like out of proportion. That's what I meant by not telling you what to do because I have no idea how people make money on KZbin, it is simply behind my ability to comprehend it. Thank you for the time and effort you put into your video, thumbs up. PS sorry about the bad grammar, poor punctuation Etc.

[@nicklopez3133]

Love the video's you do/react to. ^^

[@janao910]

I will install it wen it is on iOS

[@Patrickisat]

I hope your friend is doing well.

[@hermaeusmora424]

The Trisolaris trilogy trully was a wild ride. Tbh the first book was kinda meh, the second got me really hooked half way through and I love the third book from start to finish.

[@androth1502]

what if we were already wiped out by a hunter civilization?

[@jeremywilhoit]

Love your videos, I’d like to get your opinion on Foundation on AppleTV plus. It’s one of my favorite shows and has a lot to break down

[@xKessa]

We live in moment in history, where we can see last moments of nature habitats. See, rainforests,... it all gonna be gone because of human greed..

[@RamenHutt]

I never really agreed with the Fermi paradox. Like why should we be able to detect other civilizations? If no other life exists in our galaxy (which i believe very unlikely) a species would have to be around for million to hundreds of millions of years for us to be able to detect them. Humans farthest effect of any kind is just over 100 light years, if there was a species right at our farthest reach it would be a minimum of 100+ years before we had a clue.

[@FanEAW]

i see dog i click video i am simple man who loves science.

[@jeffmartin1026]

Or an undetectable first strike could be headed towards us at this very moment. 😉

[@stephenwilliams203]

I wonder if there is such a thing as universal convergent evolution? Where intelligence such as ours comes about in the same way in the similar environments. Many other species all across the universe as vaired and as nuanced as we are?

[@Spiceodog]

But who’s to say the next alien species is our superior

[@danielajemba8459]

React to life beyond III

[@gamers-xh3uc]

14:30 not really an AI is not actual life AI will have a solving mistake mindset and will come to a conclusion “is life a mistake” or not anyways AI doesn’t really count in this cause it’s not considered “life”

[@jimbo2227]

I would love if you could react to the videos by rational animations

[@dankmen3514]

Can you react about the video 'speed becomes albert einstein' ?

[@CitrusPeppercorn]

That's a good boy.

[@arianafox365]

127 species of wildlife EVERY DAY?!? What we’re doing to the planet is so depressing. It makes you feel really helpless when you see the affects of cloning warming and deforestation. Being a vegan is the least I feel I can do.

[@Nopejams]

Bruh if there is a species that can transverse the galaxy or universe without losing much or any time between travels, PRAY they have a conscious and aren’t evil MFers hahahaha

[@motherlandone6300]

Too many Star Trek fans on this thread. For instance our hatred on insects 🐜 means our potential friendship with an intelligent insect world is limited. Especially if we discover that they feed on a primitive primate species which looks very much like us. I can see peace treaty negotiations devolving into, “We must destroy the Twilight Zone planet where they eat people just like us!!!”

[@jibrijibri4548]

I always thought that if a species is smart enough to travel so far or detect life so far away that they know of Earth & people then they would probably be so far advanced that they would not be threatened or be violent.

[@yushion5804]

The native americans thought so.

[@harutosunaa3881]

Dr. Livesey again lol

[@arianafox365]

I know nothing about physics but this video was in my recommendations and the dude is hot. So I guess I’m watching it now lol

[@Jade-Official472]

I think looking for aliens is kinda stupid

[@penguinkraftz3329]

@Concrete Because we already have Mark Zuckerberg

[@chessi3227]

imagine being a human being,

[@minuette1752]

We have to explore beyond our planet and solar system.

[@fatwe1992]

@@penguinkraftz3329 Mom i want aliens We have aliens at home Aliens at home:

[@TML0677]

@@fatwe1992 lame

[@SuperfluousMan-qs8rv]

I think you are hopelessly optimistic. Gaining dominance over any ecosystem will require not only a competitive spirit, but also a killer instinct. And then when you talk about gaining dominance over a planet, or a solar system, or a galaxy, those competitive instincts will only be magnified. The very act of expanding requires dominance. This is not a trait of human civilization. It is a trait of all observable biology. And a fact of logic. If a species grows to the interstellar level it will have a history of victorious domination. Any government on Earth would shoot first if it realized there was intelligent life behind it in the Dark Forest, especially if communication was not easy. Xenocide is not a possibility, but an eventuality, if we ever discover intelligent life in space.

[@kripto8231]

smart people does not care about money

[@casaangel]

Three body

[@andwisestupid7465]

even the human being cannot live peacefully with each other to look for bigger universe answer, and you think we can live peacefully with alien and look for bigger universe answer is, naive

[@etodemerzel2627]

15:17 doesn't sound convincing at all.

[@sandathc9992]

why do you wear a coat in your apartment in every video

[@mikicerise6250]

Dark Forest arguments don't really consider that paranoia goes both ways. Gaining a reputation for obliterating any planet with life that you find seems like a pretty sure way to get your neighbours to try to annihilate YOU as soon as possible rather than waste energy on each other, particularly if you are the big fish.

[@etodemerzel2627]

Those "paranoia" arguments are called Chain of Suspicion and it's a foundation for The Dark Forest.

[@hesiiii]

the entire basis of the dark forest analogy is quite literally founded on the idea of paranoia going both ways (chain of suspicion). at the end of the day, a civilization can meet hundreds of different benevolent species, but you only die once.

[@moontan91]

they've already found us, a long time ago...

[@yushion5804]

Ok ok , IT is on the way already. Flying takes time even in speed of light.

[@moontan91]

@@yushion5804 it takes even less time going faster than the speed of light. the speed of light is not the limit. what limit a civilization is how technologically advanced they are...

[@yushion5804]

@@moontan91 they just enjoy casual travelling lol, btw IT is not coming with straight line flying.

[@Happter-N-Friends]

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[@meanderer9808]

this makes me want to contribute to the great answers but im too dumb for that :(