Piatigorsky plays Faure Elegie

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aimson

aimson

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@mf9881
@mf9881 2 жыл бұрын
I met him in 1974 in Los Angeles. What a gentle and kind man he was. Worked with many of his students in Los Angeles Studios. I remember they put out a session call forGreg Piatagorsky. Knowing his students were playing, he showed up. Was very very kind and what a great artist!
@musicamor1
@musicamor1 4 ай бұрын
So expressively & wonderfully played.
@sophiewebber9115
@sophiewebber9115 7 жыл бұрын
I love watching the way Piatigorsky listens to himself as he plays... such great artistry, even with the cuts.
@rubengreenberg2253
@rubengreenberg2253 4 жыл бұрын
"the way Piatigorsky listens to himself". Sophie: Perhaps you have touched upon the secret of making great music: listening to oneself. Thank you!
@raymeo888
@raymeo888 7 жыл бұрын
so blessed to have had him in our world, playing cello
@TomBarrister
@TomBarrister 13 жыл бұрын
Perhaps those who complain should seek out his full recording of the work. They'll hear something entirely different. He had a time constraint on the show, and I don't imagine he was happy about the editing. The conductor is Donald Voorhees, who was with the show for its entire 28 year run on radio and TV. Mr. Piatigorsky's wife Jacqueline is still with us and will be (hopefully) be celebrating her 100th birthday in November.
@fydler7640
@fydler7640 10 жыл бұрын
For all you Monday morning quarterbacks who are complaining: Go pick up your cellos and convince us that you know more about playing than this man! The world pronounced him one of the all-time greats, and frankly I agree wholeheartedly!
@elgatosucio
@elgatosucio 9 жыл бұрын
Such a great master !!! Nobody plays like that anymore. Pure fire and passion.
@hassansoliman970
@hassansoliman970 5 жыл бұрын
So old school❤those heart warming slides, a true legend.
@kathrynmcmorrow7170
@kathrynmcmorrow7170 4 жыл бұрын
I know. Ain't it great?
@wolkowy1
@wolkowy1 6 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't define his interpretation "less expressive". I think that he is more restrained (physically), but that is exactly the way how his true profound emotions are heard even more accentuated. Bravo for this wonderful performance and thanks for uploading.
@ivandavies5242
@ivandavies5242 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, he looks frail at this point doesn't he?
@Marinavalerevna
@Marinavalerevna 4 ай бұрын
​@@ivandavies5242как Пьеро. Люблю его ❤
@AmanecerAurora1
@AmanecerAurora1 10 жыл бұрын
He plays this beautifully! Classic Russian method style. Slightly less expressive than I like but...still wonderful.
@rich8037
@rich8037 3 жыл бұрын
There's a player who wasn't scared of a litle rhythmic freedom now and then. Fabulous!
@Bulbophile
@Bulbophile 11 жыл бұрын
he has captured the nobility of nostalgia
@cattleman6420012000
@cattleman6420012000 18 жыл бұрын
Lovely to see this lovely video. Beautiful playing.
@CarlosCastilloVioloncellistSP
@CarlosCastilloVioloncellistSP 17 жыл бұрын
AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! One of the gratest
@TomBarrister
@TomBarrister 17 жыл бұрын
Piatigorsky didn't miss any notes. What you have to remember is that this video is from an old television tape (circa 1957). The recording technology of color television was very poor then, with a low frame-rate, and audio suffered from this. The film literally couldn't keep up with Piatagorsky's playing, which is why many of the notes in the virtuostic passages appear to be missed or brief.
@aimson
@aimson 18 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome. If you haven't noticed yet, I am actually a violinist. However, three of the violin DVDs I have contain footage with Piatigorsky. I also have a DVD of Rostropovich and Richter but I can't seem to rip it (lpcm format). If I ever figure it out, I'll post more stuff in the future.
@cleojdhh
@cleojdhh 17 жыл бұрын
The cello Piatigorsky is playing is the 1714 Batta Stradivari. How much the hair on a bow is tightened is a matter of personal taste. It would also depend on how stiff or flexable the wood was.
@aimson
@aimson 15 жыл бұрын
I think you meant to say: "I don't like it, it's too fast." Or: "I don't care about anything but the tempo and that's why I don't like this performance." Or: "My ears cannot hear anything beyond speed of music and therefore I should say how much I am disappointed in Piatigorsky." Or finally: "As one of the 90% of KZbin listeners who all dislike this performance because he plays faster than my teacher told me to play, I will have to say I dislike this performance." Need I go on?
@jakehuner
@jakehuner 13 жыл бұрын
Outstanding I love this peice
@luriastars
@luriastars 3 жыл бұрын
This is such a simple way of playing. He really had his style.
@Steinfeld101
@Steinfeld101 13 жыл бұрын
What I can't believe is all the numbskulls who disliked this performance by one of the greatest artists who ever walked the planet. I was fortunate to have studied with him. Indeed, one of his students, Nathaniel Rosen, won the Tchaikovsky gold medal in 1978 and the two most recent winners studied with Piatigorsky's students. And as to the cuts, this was made for TV. In order to make it fit within TV time requirements, it was edited. That was not Piatigorsky's choice, it was the director's.
@becauseican01
@becauseican01 15 жыл бұрын
This being my first time hearing this piece, I think Piatigorsky played it beautifully and I noticed nothing wrong with the tempo.
@cattleman6420012000
@cattleman6420012000 18 жыл бұрын
Please I would love to see more of Rostropovitch during his best playing years.
@c150gpilot
@c150gpilot 5 жыл бұрын
His autobiography CELLIST is a delight to read.
@lamsalgado
@lamsalgado 16 жыл бұрын
Try to watch the EMI DVD Archive Series featuring Piatgorsky playing Walton´s Cello concert. Wonderful. And also Piatigorsky-Heifetz and friends playing Cesar Franck´s quintet. The most musical interpretation of all (mono)
@chellumin
@chellumin 10 жыл бұрын
Not to hate on the guy, but I do think that a slower, more emotional and romantic interpretation does the piece more justice. At the same time, it is his interpretation, and this is something to respect at least.
@Jorcello
@Jorcello 17 жыл бұрын
Although I must agree that I highly enjoy this piece at a slower tempi, I must DISagree and state that yes, he might have taken it a bit quicker, but it lacks no emotion. Piatigorsky is so wonderful to watch. So much more expressive than some of the other male cellists of his time. Gorgeous.
@berituka
@berituka 13 жыл бұрын
incredible beautiful!!
@aimson
@aimson 18 жыл бұрын
I have a full DVD of Rostropovitch playing Sonatas with Richter (piano). Unfortunately, I am having trouble ripping it because of the unknown lpcm format. If I ever figure it out, I will be sure to post it, not to mention the other 5 DVDs I have gathering dust.
@lordofmoria
@lordofmoria 16 жыл бұрын
i agree with YTMO21807, the beginning does seem rather cold and rigid...but only for the first 20 seconds, at which point it gains all the warmth it needs.
@CelloGoodSir
@CelloGoodSir 9 ай бұрын
Woah, abbreviated version! Such soulful playing though.
@PrincessJulie345
@PrincessJulie345 15 жыл бұрын
i play this piece for my final exam this year but i could never play it as fast as he does, it's just not human. he must be very good to be able to play it like that!!
@Modeltnick
@Modeltnick 12 жыл бұрын
All of the critics here should jump in a lake unless they can do a better job playing this piece. Too many music critics troll around to try to demonstrate how sophisticated they are when in reality they don't know a violin from a krumhorn. This piece was amazingly performed by a great master!
@TomBarrister
@TomBarrister 17 жыл бұрын
I also prefer the piano accompaniment, which I know well and get a chance to play occasionally. One of my favorite recordings of this is by Reiner Hochmuth.
@jozzaud
@jozzaud 14 жыл бұрын
I just started playing this piece. so good I'm playing the Cello/Piano duet version though, not the orchestrated one. Tis beast
@cellochik19
@cellochik19 17 жыл бұрын
i loved this version. the slides are pefect. although it does seem a bit held back like as if he feels the saddness of the elegy yet is holding back a little
@OrlandoAponte
@OrlandoAponte 17 жыл бұрын
Man, listen to that portamento at 13/14 seconds in... it's so beautiful... I wish he did even more of it throughout the piece. I seriously get angry when cellists don't use portamento in pieces like this. Even vibrato isn't as expressive as a good slide in the right place (in my opinion)
@aimson
@aimson 15 жыл бұрын
It's sarcasm in response to the dozens of people all saying the same thing about the tempo. If nobody heard of this composition before, nobody would be remarking on the speed. Anyways, it's not a very interesting critique to me and probably reflects the musical maturity of most posters. I thought Piatiagorsky played it extremely beautifully. His tone may be unmatched among all cellists and his romantic style is unmistaken.
@youngmastermagican
@youngmastermagican 15 жыл бұрын
I wish I could play the elegie this fast! He's running upwards of 100 per eight note, and I can only manage about 76. Absolutely amazing. And such clean playing, too.
@aimson
@aimson 13 жыл бұрын
@germantel I'm not sure this is true for strings. If that were the case, I could play with a bow with one horse hair and it would produce the same sound as 1000 hairs (or w/e there is supposed to be). Whenever my bow loses enough hair, I need to get it rehaired - no argument there. Also, consider the multiple elements of good "sound." Even if you were right about volume of sound not increasing, you haven't considered the quality of sound that is highly affected by surface area.
@LiuGondor
@LiuGondor 14 жыл бұрын
He is REALLY feeling it.
@aimson
@aimson 17 жыл бұрын
Piatigorsky does not rush... He plays how he wants to play, which all great musicians do. Just enjoy or not enjoy it as you see fit. Anyways, rhythm is always relative and there is no such thing as absolute in real art.
@thesteeldragon2k
@thesteeldragon2k 10 жыл бұрын
This was recorded for television a very long time ago. Thus there are some cuts, and a loud crack in the middle. It was most likely live. Any other recording probably is not. Please take this into consideration.
@animalo86
@animalo86 16 жыл бұрын
is the most beauty version of the faure's elegy
@cellocraze
@cellocraze 17 жыл бұрын
he has the most beautiful shifts i have ever heard
@towavred
@towavred 15 жыл бұрын
MMMMMMM......one of the great Faure´s compossitions gone to the toilet because of the cuts!!!!
@aimson
@aimson 13 жыл бұрын
@JonRobert The viewpoint that a musician's job is to play "correctly" has resulted in a plethora of monotonous and vapid classical musicians flooding the market all around the globe on all different instruments. It especially plagues the world of violin, where personal creativity and ingenuity have been dampened to the point of near nonexistence. The rise of music "competitions" have a lot to do with discouraging creativity because they literally force musicians to conform to a limited standard.
@erlangerklaviertrio
@erlangerklaviertrio 7 жыл бұрын
aimson 100 percent agree!
@ljumpsky9519
@ljumpsky9519 5 жыл бұрын
Too many cellists (and violinists, etc.) raised on Suzuki. They play like robots.
@choulapine
@choulapine 17 жыл бұрын
I'm about to cry
@vergilbass
@vergilbass 14 жыл бұрын
@MrBiggunsbobby he played it faster, but his interpretation is really passionate. It's my favourite :P (and i'm cellist)
@Luminicus
@Luminicus 17 жыл бұрын
this man owns at cello
@Rephrat
@Rephrat 17 жыл бұрын
The greatest !!!
@wol_ves
@wol_ves 15 жыл бұрын
Faure originally intended this piece to be played with piano and cello, and played with the correct level of intimacy, I think it sounds better. Nothing wrong with this particular version. He takes it faster than others, but that's not really a problem.
@aimson
@aimson 13 жыл бұрын
@JonRobert The rigidity with which this generation hears classical music is a backlash against great art. The fact that most of the negative comments on this page (and literally dozens of my other ones) have focused on attempts to impose that rigidity towards the musician discourages me. The musician's job is not to interpret what the composer wanted but to interpret what they THINK the composer wanted. This distinction has a lot to do with personality and creativity and what makes music great.
@emhrnndz9
@emhrnndz9 17 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's usually about two minutes longer.
@Cayo255
@Cayo255 16 жыл бұрын
etoy de acuerdo contigo en que esta muy rapido, sin embargo creo que por lo demas esta perfecta, al aumentar la velocidad se pierde un poco de expresión, pero esta bien, le cambia el caaracter a una obra que por lo general siempre es tocada de la misma manera. sin mencionar que tecnicamente esta perfecta.
@munkybrain
@munkybrain 15 жыл бұрын
there's one of jacqueline du pre up now if you didn't know and it's amazing
@aseretkavon
@aseretkavon 13 жыл бұрын
They cut out a lot of parts when the orchestra would get the melody. I'm actually quite surprised because they are interpretive parts for the cellist as well! Regardless, this was gorgeous.
@JonRobert
@JonRobert 13 жыл бұрын
@aimson I see past the performance speed and think this piece is played beautifully. Although at the beginning the problem I think people have is that there is not enough musicality in his playing and therefore it doesn't sound right, and coupled with the speed it sounds unlike how the legend Piatigorsky should have played it.
@OzzyKingofKings
@OzzyKingofKings 15 жыл бұрын
And what of it? Piatigorsky's interpretation simply moves more than most others (in fact, I'd say that in comparison I find slower interpretations stagnant and too viscous). As to your question about emotion...I think that if you have to ask no one can help you. All I know is that this is the recording I keep coming back to without fail.
@aimson
@aimson 16 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how cello differs from the violin but this logic about the sound seems off. The more bow hair you have in contact with the string, the more sound that gets produced. After all, sound is generated from the friction between the bow+rosin and the string. In theory, a bow that is 3 inches wide will sound far louder than a 1 inch bow.
@kathrynnewhall5687
@kathrynnewhall5687 3 жыл бұрын
Pressure and placement of the bow on the string, as well as the size and resonance of the cello itself, also affect the sound. It is simplistic to expect the amount of bow hair/string contact to be the only factor in sound production.
@aimson
@aimson 18 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm not sure what Faure intended for the piece since I'm not Faure (nor a cellist). Perhaps you could comment on what you think Faure intended and why you like Therese Ryan (who I've never heard of). Also, what is so bad about glissandos? You have to remember that Piatigorsky is from a more romantic era than modern musicians, who often shun and discourage glissando use as you do.
@triviumlambofgod
@triviumlambofgod 15 жыл бұрын
lol, the look at the very end
@vilemonkey
@vilemonkey 18 жыл бұрын
wow this is nice :)
@heavypiola12
@heavypiola12 16 жыл бұрын
excelente soniidoo ..muy buena afinacion
@MsLexx99
@MsLexx99 13 жыл бұрын
how can 50 people dislike this??...
@Rephrat
@Rephrat 15 жыл бұрын
he is one of the 5 great cello giants . All the rest is just trying to gell closer. Feuermann,Cassals,Du Pre and Fournier are the others.
@sofie.a3849
@sofie.a3849 8 жыл бұрын
I actually don't mind the interpretation of this piece. I don't see what all the fuss is about it doesn't sound horrible either
@miehiiep
@miehiiep 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry? The repetition of the theme at the beginning? Where is it?
@rawRiMabunniE
@rawRiMabunniE 16 жыл бұрын
thanks! i can say what i want, and you don't have to agree.
@xiooua
@xiooua 17 жыл бұрын
I prefer this piece played with a piano accompaniment rather than an orchestral, but it's still quite beautiful. I'm more a fan of Jacqueline du Pre's version, honestly, but Piatigorsky does it justice, I think.
@dawoof
@dawoof 14 жыл бұрын
I KNOW IVE HEARD THIS BEFORE, ah its driving me insane
@wenaviste
@wenaviste 9 жыл бұрын
Uno de los grandes músicos judíos, los músicos judíos son famosos en diversos instrumentos. No tocan muy bien pero son considerados los mejores siempre. Es que ser judío es ser especial y el mejor.
@richardagins871
@richardagins871 8 жыл бұрын
Y es que expresar prejuicio es demostrar ignorancia. Que triste.
@wenaviste
@wenaviste 8 жыл бұрын
señor, no debe ser usted antisemita, eso si es malo.
@Cayo255
@Cayo255 16 жыл бұрын
dude i disagree with you, and what gets my attention is that you say "this is" just crap, you cannot say this is because there is not absolute point of view, it is just your point of view. i think this is the best rendition of Faure's elegie in youtube,
@zigeunerviolin
@zigeunerviolin 18 жыл бұрын
People back then had more of their own styles and his vibrato and bow hold are examples of this. Today things are more generic. That is apart from the opinion of liking it or not liking, but I agree that it should be slower with some different feel.
@YonathanDeAbreu
@YonathanDeAbreu 9 жыл бұрын
Whoa... Terence Fletcher army in this comment section
@mrslimbeck
@mrslimbeck 14 жыл бұрын
@aimson Personally, I love Piatigorsky's playing most of the time, and I love this piece. However, I DO prefer it slow--the tempo is marked "molto adagio". That means "very slowly" (basically). I think he plays it too fast here. I don't like it. My teacher NEVER told me to play it slow. My teacher lets me read the tempo markings and decide for myself, and offer his own opinion, criticism, and thoughts. I think it is quite rude of you to make assumptions like that, not to mention unintelligent.
@Polermo
@Polermo 15 жыл бұрын
not every performance has to be a catharsis. there is some degree of class in understatement. anyone that has to dump their musicianship all the time is a ham. also different cellists have different things they play better. yo yo ma on Prokofiev i am amazed at. him on the bach suites he sounds robotic. lynn harrell on bloch's shelomo was gut wrenchingly amazing.
@mjwynne01
@mjwynne01 18 жыл бұрын
It was nice, I wish it were played a little bit slower.
@MinecraftDiamonds
@MinecraftDiamonds 10 жыл бұрын
Butt this is great
@aimson
@aimson 16 жыл бұрын
In fact, one can use this productively, using the side of the bow for less sound in pianissimo (also playing closer to the fingerboard) and playing closer to the bridge with the full bow for forte. The quality (not quantity) of the sound, however might be different in the way you describe. Also, I agree about the tempo - if Piatigorsky wants to play it at that tempo and knows the full consequences of it, then that is good musicianship. If it's unintended, shame on him.
@OzzyKingofKings
@OzzyKingofKings 15 жыл бұрын
I think aimson's comment may have been directed to "Ecapa1" below... Anyways, I have no words to describe Grisha's playing here.
@limjoony1931
@limjoony1931 7 жыл бұрын
Wow
@rawRiMabunniE
@rawRiMabunniE 16 жыл бұрын
I think it's not so much that he's rushing as the speed that he chooses to play the Elegie, because it's supposed to be a funeral thingy. This piece can be really drawn out and be much more powerfully than Piatigorsky plays it here. It's a matter of interpretation.
@ahmadrezarashidi9791
@ahmadrezarashidi9791 11 жыл бұрын
اینو ممــــــَــــ ععزخانی تو یه هفته درمیاره ، شلوغش نکنید Translate : I like this a lot , incredible beautiful
@rudly
@rudly 16 жыл бұрын
I agree not my tempo ether(some years ago,I would guess)
@theanswer00
@theanswer00 15 жыл бұрын
oh please
@Cellopro
@Cellopro 17 жыл бұрын
I think that when you reach this caliber of proffessionalism, 20bpm faster is not a biggie. Depending on what edition this was played from is a big jump in speeds marked. Leave it to the masters to interpret, and not the casual listener.
@thewildcellist
@thewildcellist 13 жыл бұрын
unsyncronal?
@cellist18
@cellist18 18 жыл бұрын
I love the piece, I have performed it several times, but I don't think that he does it justice, he has several irregular tempo changes, cut down a part, and completely omitted another. Overall I think it was too fast and not "elegiac" enough
@aimson
@aimson 16 жыл бұрын
It's not a high horse, it's called "anticipatory control." Just watching out for shit fights. You'd be surprised at how often that happens on KZbin, especially after dumb comments like this one. I really don't mind critique of meistro Piatigorsky. For example, I don't agree that the tempo is too fast but I can understand and it makes sense. However, this post is as offensive as it is thoughtless, which prompted my harsh comment.
@kaikobird
@kaikobird 18 жыл бұрын
How could you say that? At least watch another video of him, or look at a picture, please.
@zigeunerviolin
@zigeunerviolin 18 жыл бұрын
Violin and cello playing really are not that different, especially in the right hand. I've been a violinist for 10 years and my brother has been a cellist for 10 years, and I watch his classes. I can tell good cello playing when I see it, and I have not seen anyone play better than Piatigorsky today.
@Hopfensperger
@Hopfensperger 16 жыл бұрын
Style of the tango? Yeah, right...
@pyun123
@pyun123 14 жыл бұрын
@platypusfredrik i do hope you said "your so mechanical" knowing that your grammar's wrong and that piatigorsky's been dead for over 33 years.
@zigeunerviolin
@zigeunerviolin 18 жыл бұрын
Dude shut up people back then held their cello low and he is a lot better than anyone today. I don't know what you mean by him not being technically solid there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. If you don't like it then stop watching it.
@Dylonely_9274
@Dylonely_9274 Жыл бұрын
2:58
@ashton9183
@ashton9183 16 жыл бұрын
I have to say, nice tune, however, the tempo is a little quick. (it is marked at eight note equals 60, i believe) Personnaly, I dont like how he sounds on the 32nd triplet runs. But I dont play cello... I like Webber's version better.
@easypeasylemonsqueezy4768
@easypeasylemonsqueezy4768 15 жыл бұрын
it is a lot faster then the normal speed
@Philipppppppppppppp
@Philipppppppppppppp 13 жыл бұрын
not only that he plays it too fast, he totally changes the tempo in some parts and is extremly unsyncronal with the orchestra...
@MinecraftDiamonds
@MinecraftDiamonds 10 жыл бұрын
LOL EVERY COMMENT IS SO FUNNY
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