Pickleball! 3.5 Senior Tournament Game. What Went Wrong? Learn By Watching Others!

[@christopherbeaty641]

I thnk these are best training vids thx

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for saying that. I really appreciate you watching.

[@NOT_A_TOP_FAN]

These are absolutely turning into my favorite videos. It’s like kinda roasting them, but still providing value to people who probably play just like them (but probably don’t even know it). Re: stacking - if you can’t hit a consistent drop or reset, don’t even bother stacking. Learn your basics before attempting to trick things up. Because it just makes you look foolish.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

That's a good point. Learn the basics and how to effectively hit shots to allow you to get position at the non-volley zone. I think stacking is overrated. Learn how to hit a backhand.

[@randomboii9166]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787what about for lefties? should you stack as a beginner there?

[@mikelowe1208]

Enjoyed the analysis. Has motivated me to go out tomorrow and work on my 3.0 game to improve my play.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Awesome! Thanks for watching.

[@brianlane9534]

The ball does NOT have to land in the kitchen on 3rd shot drop. The goal is to force your opponent to hit up on the ball. I saw a drop that you poo-pooed because it didn't 'land' in the kitchen. Yet it was a good drop. Just because the opposing player is able to volley it doesn't make it a bad shot.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment. I'd have to go back and look, but I'm assuming I said it was not effective because the player could not forward .

[@pickleballnorthwest6351]

Drop means that it drops into the kitchen. If the ball is volleyed back to you, it is an attempted drop shot. The goal is not just to force your opponent to hit up on the ball, but to allow you to move forward and off of the back line, eventually getting to the NVZ and evening up play. You can still keep players back while hitting up on the ball.

[@Riker-ER]

Any 3rd shot drop unattainable is good.

[@wanderingaloudwithmark3057]

​@pickleballnorthwest6351 where do you play in the Northwest?

[@CWK090]

@@pickleballnorthwest6351 Not true. Like Brian said "The ball does NOT have to land in the kitchen on 3rd shot drop" (I will add, or any reset) The goal is to give yourself time to move up by not giving your opponent a ball they can attack. Just below the net is not good enough. It has to be low enough so they cant speed it up.

[@markc2080]

Great analysis Rory! Not 3.5 maybe 2.5!

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching.

[@stephanieross7929]

Hi Rory Steph here they all know each other well on the courts and they are on my home courts too. Linda and Keri play ladies doubles and have for a while. They all have definitely improved since this game. Thanks for posting this from the Pickleball Pirates website. Fun for me to watch and notice details

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Good to know they have improved. That's what it's all about. Getting better. Thanks for watching.

[@daveharter6469]

wanted to share an idea about rating numbers, 3.0,3.5,4.0 ect. we have talked about rating ourselves in offensive shots, defensive shots, and a person's mental rating ( ability to understand the game enough to change stadigies during a game). The next level of that could be rating yourself with a number, per shot. make a list of shots a person has or wants to add. Serve, serve return, forehand down the line, forehand cross court, back hand down the line, backhand cross court, third shot, drive, third shot drop, lob,.spins, dinking, etc. rating each shot a person has to lead us to what we need to work on and where we really are in an all-around game. Saw a guy once with a 5.0+ serve, but the rest of his game was 3.5. when the receiving team could return his serve, they would win the point.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

That's a good idea. I may do a video explaining exactly what you're talking about. Thanks.

[@patriciaseeley2260]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787since this was 9 months ago…… did you ever get around to a follow-up video driving home what the poster commented on?

[@BGK2223]

Really a good format for feedback. Thanks

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching.

[@MarkNapartovich]

Firstly, there are no requirements to be rated as 3.5. In reality, to achieve a 3.5 rating, you should defeat other 3.5-rated players and avoid losing to 3.0-rated players simultaneously in a tournament. If you can do this, you qualify as a solid 3.5 player. Even if you can't execute half of the shots but still secure victories, you belong to the 3.5 category. Secondly, the infamous list is only for preliminary rating evaluation, before any tournament participation. Thirdly, the definition list does not apply to live play. In a live game, you do not need to demonstrate your skills but rather focus on winning the point by any means necessary. Certified instructors are available to test if you possess the skills defined as 3.5. Without a doubt, these players would easily pass the test. But if you put them against someone with nasty deep return and spin, they would hardly be able to drop anything into the kitchen. Fourthly, even advanced-level players make mistakes with the drop shot all the time. It's easy to find instances from top pro players where they failed to execute a proper drop shot, not to mention dropping the ball too high to land it into the kitchen.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for your reply, Mark. I respect what you have to say. I guess when you say nasty spin, you're referring to yourself. Some of the nastiest spin in the game.

[@johnschoch5325]

So forget lessons, training, watching videos, getting tested by a certified instructor or practicing. Just win by any means necessary.

[@MarkNapartovich]

@@johnschoch5325 correct. If you can win without all of this, you are fine. You are talking about winning as if it some cheating. It is not. Moreover, it is not easy.

[@johnschoch5325]

@@MarkNapartovich First off, thanks for agreeing with me. Second being a one trick pony so to speak and winning with limited skills is not cheating if your one skill is awesome which it would have be and sometimes is. Third, nobody said it was easy so I guess we are in agreement on that as well. Have a good one.

[@carolzanoff5628]

Definitely 3.0 with aspirations to 3.5-just not thee yet. I do have a question-anything wrong with a 3rd shot drive and then drop it on the 5th? Sometimes I find this works better, especially if I get slammed at the baseline. When this happens, I often drive and then drop so that I can be more stable and execute a true droop. Will this keep me a 3.0? One thing that I’m not sure I understand is when you commented on the players on the serve team not getting to the net. IF they aren’t able to execute a 3rd shot drop, wouldn’t it be best to be cautious to not move up to fast??

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for asking. If you can't advance forward on third, try fifth, if not, try seventh and so on. If you can eventually make it, you'll be 3.5. When hitting a third shot, think of it as a stop light. If it lands in the kitchen, green light to move forward. If your opponent can take it out of the air, but not hit down on it, yellow light, caution, move to midcourt and split step waiting to defend. If hit in put-away zone, red light, do not move forward and try to hit fifth into the kitchen.

[@fiorenzafalcioni6798]

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[@rockyarrington5627]

As stated from the USAPA webpage, “Developing the drop shot as a way to get to the net.” My point is that by the time a player is a 3.7/3.8 that player should be putting the ball in the NVZ with some consistency.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Here's is what is on USA Pickleball's 3.5 assessment list. "ABLE to hit a third shot drop to gain advantage to the net."

[@lindayee968]

Agree it says, developing the drop shot in a way to get to the net. In addition, thinking is limited, did ability to control height and depth.

[@henry0712]

I agree, not solid 3.5 play. Thanks for the video.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thank you for watching.

[@judyliang55]

just like your analysis

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

There are 114 million youtube channels. Thanks for watching mine. It's ok to disagree.

[@inApickle_ball]

Do you think the team stacking was doing so to keep the male player's forehand towards the center of the court? Thanks, GOD, Guns & Gumbo

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Sure. That's why players stack. Especially, if one player is left-handed one player is right handed. Like I mentioned in the video, I don't think stacking benefited them.

[@PickleballBatman]

I was better than this players, the first week playing Pickleball

[@MLB1212]

Why be rude? How does it help you?@@PickleballBatman

[@gregmccarty8253]

​To even post this comment makes me shake my head.

[@pickleballnorthwest6351]

You mentioned you looked at the equipment of the players and noted the Franklin paddle was being used. What does that mean to you? Do you gain confidence? Do you somehow feel that you now have an advantage? Not sure why you bothered to mention that without telling us about the shortcomings of the paddle and how you would take advantage of it. I checked out the critique by Chris Johnson, and all he said was everyone knows it's not good and he didn't know why anyone would buy it. Not much of an explanation. I have never used one, but I don't judge players by the paddle they use. I have played against very good players that use one and I have played against many terrible players that are using some of the most expensive top brands. (At least by Chris Johnsons' rating.)

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Obviously, success has to do more with skill than a paddle. However, there are paddles out there that will make a player a better player than if they were using a lesser paddle. Franklin is a lesser paddle. Franklin makes outstanding tennis equipment and have done so for years. They are just way behind when it comes to pickleball paddles. Thanks for watching.

[@pickleballnorthwest6351]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Still no reason why it is a lesser paddle. Construction? Touch? Power? Feel? Texture of face, or life span? I am struggling to understand your thought process. Does it give you more confidence when your opponent is using one? Does an opponent using a $250.00 paddle instill more respect from you? Franklin is the manufacturer that Ben Johns used to complete his triple crown and become the #1 player in the world. I have to believe he changed to Joola because of $. Not because Franklin paddles were not allowing him to reach his full potential. I enjoy your videos, I just found that to be a strange comment.

[@gaiusgracchus7475]

@@pickleballnorthwest6351 If you saw someone playing with a solid wooden paddle (original pickleball paddles were wooden) you might be inclined to think they were beginners or might appreciate a suggestion regarding newer paddle technology. The general consensus is that Franklin paddles are inferior - not just Chris Olson.

[@wanderingaloudwithmark3057]

I would have to agree. These people are not 3.5. I would class myself as a 2.5 to 2.75 and am more consistent during a dinking match. Still working on the 3rd shot drop though.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Good decision. Working on your third shot.

[@KingKangUSA]

I guess I am still 3.0. I only try to drop the ball when it is short or low, otherwise, I drive it. At 3.0 level, we make more mistakes when we try to drop the ball, especially in the game. Either we lose the game with mistakes, or we win the game with bang.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I see that a lot. The problem is, if you want to compete at a higher level, you will have to do more than bang the ball.

[@peterfaga1582]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 if you want to improve you have to drill often!

[@joseespinosa7167]

I strongly agree these were not 3,5 players

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching.

[@rockyarrington5627]

My memory of the 3.5 requirements states that the 3.5 player is beginning to develop the 3rd shot drop.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Nope. The ability to hit a third shot drop to advance forward.

[@lhs69party]

You're wrong PBPA the USAPA "clearly" says "Developing" the shot to get to the net. The player is essentially "learning" the shot. @@pickleballpick-apart9787

[@markc2080]

These are not 3.5 players too many errors,no drops not setting feet to hit shots!

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and thanks for posting your opinion.

[@jss8494]

Does anyone else think he is going to say “My name is Rory and I like to draw pictures.”?

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Would you like to suggest what I should stay instead of what I actually say?

[@jss8494]

It’s a reference to an old Saturday Night Live skit except his name was Simon.

[@tennis401]

3.0 definitely, maybe 3.25 at best.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. Thanks for your comment.

[@Sarah_C68]

Chris has an illegal serve

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. It's a tough call. He does finish high. There is a referee. You think if it was illegal he would have called it.

[@Sarah_C68]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I meant doesnt he throw the ball up ? I thought that wasnt allowed . Thanks Love your channel

[@marsone8685]

not 3.5 players

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for your opinion and thanks for watching.

[@joedavies372]

3.0 at best

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion.

[@MrConte29]

Your wrong like always. Most definitely 3.5 players

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

There are 114 million KZbin channels. I really do appreciate you watching mine.

[@alexandermoore5024]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787😂 lol nice one! I love your channel thanks for making videos that MrConte29 and I can both enjoy!

[@quaysys]

Not even close to 3.5 and I would argue they are a week 3.0

[@inApickle_ball]

So let me guess, you think you are a 4.5 player? GOD, Guns & Gumbo

[@tomdillon6758]

Why? Because they know where to serve from? They'd be on the bench after every game around here.