Pierre Boulez - Le Marteau Sans Maître (1954)

[@TC_113]

This is what einstein listened to before he wrote the bible

[@solarean]

WHAT

[@gnuPirate]

It is a fact. So it was written.

[@20secondcentury22]

Really stupid comment

[@Nilmand]

This is what Jesus listened to before he wrote Star Wars

[@ValentinSupi0t]

After this listening I now see Mahler as a commercial composer.

[@coelhoigor]

00:00 I. avant "l'artisanat furieux" 01:41 II. commentaire I de "bourreaux de solitude" 05:47 III. "l'artisanat furieux" 08:35 IV. commentaire II de "bourreaux de solitude" 12:28 V. "bel édifice et les pressentiments" version première 16:32 VI. "bourreaux de solitude" 20:49 VII. après "l'artisanat furieux" 21:53 VIII. commentaire III de "bourreaux de solitude" 27:38 IX. "bel édifice et les pressentiments" double

[@clovisatd983]

Gros cool!

[@brkahn]

@@amitbenhur3722 use Google translate

[@brkahn]

@@amitbenhur3722 yes it is. I just tried it.

[@gueul2boi977]

Gré sympa

[@Tizohip]

@@amitbenhur3722 learn french

[@philipestrin4381]

One of the great musical works of the 20th century. Arguably, the most evocative piece of music written after World War II. Influences on Boulez abound in the score, including Debussy, Stravinsky, Schoenburg of Pierrot Lunaire, Edgar Varese, Olivier Messiaen, electronic musique concrete, jazz (especially Miles Davis, MJQ and the “Cool School”), Javanese gamelan, and, of course, Anton Webern. What is especially remarkable about this piece of music is that it is totally constructivist in its conception-meaning rhythmically and metrically, harmonically (in the progression of tones), dynamically and, with respect to instrumentation. Every aspect of the piece is constructed according to rigorous mathematical calculation, and yet, the piece is definitively “musical,” compelling in its sonic landscape and full of variety in mood, nuance and expression. If approached with a spirit of discovery, it is eminently“listenable.” Indeed, I have been listening to it most profitably since 1964, having purchased the Columbia Robert Craft rendition (now out of print) when I was 16 years old and having also bought the amazing instrumental score around that time. It has been appropriately described as a 12-tone musical dry martini. Although I have always been partial to the Craft reading (because of its speed and limpidity), this present one is excellent, as well.

[@Empyreanabove]

Faugh! This is what Michael Hicks has to say "Two years before he wrote "le Marteau....Boulez defined the paradox of serial music "The more complex the formal means are , the less they are perceived intellectually by the listener". His statement corresponds to the experience of virtually every student of serial music:the more graphs, charts and number schemes a composer uses to predetermine the succession of notes in a piece ,the less likely it is that their logic will be clear to even the best listener. Some might go so far as to say that, however logically structured serial music is in principle, it still sounds disorderly. This paradox has troubled some listeners so much that they reject the music. even well-trained musicians such as one...commentator dwell on the gap between "compositional system and cognized result" in serial music taking 'Le Marteau' as a case in point. "Although experienced listeners do not find it totally incomprehensible" he writes, they also do not "assign to it a detailed mental representation". Like other serial works, he continues , 'Le Marteau' is "inaccessible" to a detailed mental representation because serial music is by it's nature "cognitively opaque". While this cognitive opacity does not mean that every serial piece is necessarily a bad piece, it's aesthetic is doubtful "If a piece cannot be understood", he asks "How can it be good?". How indeed?

[@Empyreanabove]

@@JossWainwright The formal means have forced the "acoustic material" (it's not music as 99.99% of people understand music) into a dead end. Painting are a good comparison. Even in abstract painting people can see a design, see a direction , see an overall strategy. People feel nothing here but one long stream of sound, twittering and banging and squaking, on and on until it ends.

[@Empyreanabove]

@@JossWainwright You're welcome.

[@paulhoffmann3405]

@@Empyreanabove Well I definetely feel something here. The music has a distinct tension, there are eastern influences, rhythmic pieces, a structure, instrumental pieces, vocals... its an interesting soundscape, clearly developing, very close to pure sound sometimes but clearly structured. I always thought that Boulez was thinking in pretty abstract terms, always looking for a middle ground between mathematical organization and improvisation, sometimes getting to something transcendental almost, although in a very secular way. And mind, I cant even read scores. Although "Pli Selon Pli" is probably a more accessable and more emotional piece.

[@sitarnut]

Still have my original Colombia LP with partial score on cover...yes, Craft.

[@ladysylviane]

Une expérience en son temps, une curiosité des années 50 aujourd'hui. Il fallait une forme d'audace pour concevoir ce type de partition à l'époque, et cette audace a toujours le pouvoir de nous surprendre. L' instrumentation est fine, certaines couleurs sont agréables, l'ambiance peut séduire. C'est une œuvre du passé, ce n'est pas une œuvre du présent, ni du futur, dans le sens où elle ne peut prétendre à l'universalité. En France il y a eu une sorte " d'école Boulez" , aujourd'hui en désuétude, dont les adeptes ont tenté de copier le maître sans atteindre son niveau.

[@michelprezman51]

Je vous suis...

[@bricecoustillas2176]

Audace, ou infirmité artistique totale qui se cache derrière un discours mystificateur et abuse par sa pseudo-science?

[@lildiaz971]

Pour ceux qui sont ici apres avoir entendu etienne guéreau dans Biomécanique... c'est une oeuvre magistrale😊

[@patrickkeenan8443]

Certified banger.

[@kellymerrill8024]

You have never imagined the music of a squirrel foraging for nuts?

[@patrickkeenan8443]

@@kellymerrill8024 I'm not sure how squirrel nut music is related to this absolute club slayer. Regardless, of course I've pondered the depths of rhythmic possibility within the realm of woodland rodent shopping habits.

[@ClbnaVGM]

@@patrickkeenan8443 Well, listening to this feels like a squirrel foraging for my nuts

[@daryjohnmizelle]

How can this piece be controversial? 67 years old and one of Boulez's best. Certainly not contemporary any more.

[@worldmusictheory]

because it fucking sucks.

[@conw_y]

This is a sign of Boulez' genius - that his music can still shock audiences 67 years later!

[@ha3vy]

I'm not particularly a fan of boulez, I profundly dislike the structures, but this is so satisfactory to hear. The timbers are so pleasant to the ear. And the piece really does perfect reference to it's name. Kinda like it

[@the_real_vdegenne]

I don't like but I like - type of guy

[@kenwinston2245]

I admire anyone with enough brass to come up wi th something new. It's nearly impossible to financially justify it, unfortunately. It's difficult to find musicians to perform it as intended because THEY'VE never heard it before, an audience doesn't know what to expect and can be impatient. This sort of art is best appreciated by someone wanting an adventure.

[@richardthomashill]

At first I thought that the outstanding instrumental and vocal performances, acoustics of the space and quality of the recording are a big part of what makes this so listenable. But it really is Boulez making this a weird wild ride. For inexperienced listeners, I suggest embracing the reality that you're hearing all twelve notes all the time as the water in which the music floats. Then, once you're submerged, you can admire what Boulez is doing with color, rhythm and mood.

[@lgxtransport]

@@parsifal7300 “Again, the music in question isn’t inherently inaccessible, and becomes accessible after a process of learning, which may or may not consist simply in listening.” Read this somewhere

[@adriapulzella3762]

Qui est là après avoir entendu la punchline de luc ferry face à chazal à propos de la musique de Pierre Boulez 😂😂

[@pascalg.5951]

C'est vrai que c'est inaudible. Ceci dit, pour accompagner certaines scènes de films ou de reportages ça peut-être utile.

[@piev5060]

présent!:)

[@nicosgar]

@@pascalg.5951 Non, en vrai ça va. C'est pas si inaudible. D'autres de Boulez le son plus que ça. Il semblerait que ce soit une oeuvre majeure ou importante du XX. Ce qui l'est surtout ce sont les instruments. L'œuvre, celle-ci, est très écoutable si on prend appuie sur ce paramètre. Que fait Boulez avec les sonorités ? C'est la question à se poser pour l'écouter. Il y a vraiment des trucs superbes! Faites vos jeux. Réécoutez comme ci peut-être qu'elle vous semblera plus juste. Mais je suis d'accord pour dire que Boulez est vraiment inaudible. Je n'aime pas du tout ces musiques. Écoutez peut-être Stockausen qui m semble plus aisé d'écoute dans ce même registre. Sinon, pour le XXe, si vous ne connaissez pas je vous suggère Ligeti et Messiaen. Certaines oeuvres sont vraiment très belles. Aussi le "concerto pour un ange" de Berg et du même compositeur la suite de Lulu (un opéra). C'est vraiment très audible quoique déroutant peut-être. Peut-être puis-je suggéré "Verklärte nacht" de Schönberg. En fait, cette œuvre-ci est une prémice de la musique atonale, la musique de Boulez. Elle est à la charnière véritable entre la fin du XIX et du XX. Composée en 1899 exactement. Peut-être que cela peut vous faire une oreille à ces musiques dites contemporaines.

[@laurentd2773]

J'écoute Pierre Boulez mais pas Luc Ferry... Ainsi chacun choisit ses préférences et références. Je remarque même que la vidéo a plus de 134 mille vues... Et que la grande salle de la Philharmonie s'appelle "Salle Pierre Boulez" alors Luc machin, comment avez-vous dit ? Ah mince, j'ai déjà oublié... Bref passons à autre chose.

[@adriapulzella3762]

@@laurentd2773 En réalité je n'écoute ni l'un ni l'autre tellement qu'ils m'irritent tous les deux les tympans. 😂

[@wolfil8019]

A funny thing happened to me ... I was listening to an improvisational band from the mid-1970s called A Touch of the Sun. I thought I had lined this up to play after that, but Boulez's music started playing before A Touch of the Sun had finished. I didn't notice for quite awhile. Boulez's structured music blended almost perfectly with the improvised music of A Touch of the Sun. Both are a delight to me, but now I will take this back to the beginning to hear the Boulez alone from the start.

[@HaroldHivart]

good for you..

[@Breakbeat90s]

gangsta beat for da streetz

[@jmdf1323]

MC Hammer without Master. Boulez is 1000000 better than Bubba

[@jmdf1323]

Boulez was my preferred gangsta , i like his (ir)cam, EIC, his possee, was blasting them all

[@HajoHeinz]

Idiot

[@cculwell1]

this is the most enchanting version of this piece of music I have heard to date.

[@lotharlamurtra7924]

this is really true. What a marvellous version of this chef d'oeuvre

[@mikeg2924]

I'm so glad to hear this again.

[@benjaminmcfarlane3807]

I would have gone insane trying to learn and perform this.

[@JabuLICORNE]

J'écoute ça après que Michel Onfray ait parlé de ce musicien dans son débat face à Zemmour. Après les 3 premières minutes j'ai du mal à continuer...

[@louis-samirbenchikh41]

Bon bah même dilemme 😂

[@adamkejji6050]

Pareil il déconne bcp des fois Onfray

[@duffault05]

pareil

[@HaroldHivart]

musique d'intello prétentieux..

[@MrPatlebon]

Vous n'êtes pas le seul...c'est du Pierre Boulez, de la musique non modale, atonale, proche de la musique concrète, ce qui veut dire pas de mélodie et pas d'harmonie dans ce genre d' "œuvre". Boulez a écrit sa musique en disposant d'un orchestre et d'un studio, l'IRCAM, entièrement financé par ses amis socialistes. Personnellement, mélomane averts, amateur de toutes sortes de musiques, je trouve les "œuvres" de Boulez tout simplement inécoutables...

[@juliushamilton3656]

I think you have to just take it in without preconceived notions or expectations for music. I hear it as a steady stream of colors or evocations not guided or structured by any rhythm. I don't find the tonality difficult, the lack of rhythm is the most challenging aspect to get used to. Each moment is like a jet or a streak of color. You have to listen actively, I don't think it works to kind of faze out and expect a higher order meaning or form to emerge. It's music on a small, local scale (to me)

[@ghassanel-kadri7111]

Excellent words.

[@OddAntSounds]

But there are rhythms and are very well structured, Pierre Boulez is the Maitre of making things sound so deconstructed but yet If one was to tell him his music was just a bag of notes wandering around in a freestyle manner he would just hand over his partitions and show them that his compositions are just full of distinguishable and distinct patterns.

[@TheGloryofMusic]

Yes, unlike Beethoven's music, which is rich in semantic content, Boulez's is typically French. That is, the surface of the music, the immediate sensuous experience, is the whole point. So when people say they don't understand this music, the reply is that there is nothing to understand.

[@MrChicaneur]

Dictée musicale cycle 53

[@OlivierHechoGuitar]

Hahaha excellent !! :-)))

[@aluktung]

Lamdur Toci excellent !

[@mark-j-adderley]

It’s the timing and the phrasing. Lovely sound sculpture.

[@karlkinono]

Sure ..

[@sitarnut]

Don't know why, but it always made me think of a room full of hip 60's Mobiles swinging and touching...

[@alucardisdumb]

Oh wow, this is great! Thanks for the upload!

[@TheRealLordRama]

Kids these days can't even dance this.

[@royaku]

in the old days or future days neither

[@cerealdesignationsilly]

@@royaku i'd like to see them try

[@MrRuplenas]

As Ralph Vaighan-Williams said to one of his composition students, "If a TUNE should ever occur to you, don't hesitate to write it down."

[@georgianarmy3642]

sitting here and try to translate moon tae-joons poetry and listen to it. i really like it.

[@clarinetjo]

So much colors ! This works has really grown on me over the years !

[@nik8099]

Do people really find this inaccessible? This is catchy as hell.

[@viechaya9983]

:))))))

[@auralbe9188]

licherally...a BOP!

[@Dr_Ohm]

Try to whistle the melody... Actually, with random notes, you could get pretty much the same result. This is not a patch on tonal or modal music. Atonal music has no soul, that's the problem. At best it can be "interesting", or "frightening", but never simply beautiful and able to make you cry.

[@Συναισθησις]

@@Dr_Ohm Speak for yourself.

[@PotterSpurn1]

I can't decide what I like most: this or Justin Bieber

[@renelevaillant6601]

This sound world is like looking at the work of Paul Klee.

[@_aworldthatspoke950]

Megablocks are built by children in factories to be built by children at home

[@gokhanbulbul9277]

i'm not an expert, just an amateur listener. This music is a perfect soundtrack for a fun movie.

[@yeh2756]

I would rather use it for a Kubrick's lol

[@laurentfaurite9199]

And for a cartoon.

[@clarinetjo]

i think this is the best interprétation if this beautiful and challenging work ! Thank you very much !

[@NelsonSantiagoClarinete]

Phenomenal music, I liked it

[@draxerdev3242]

wow, this is amazing...

[@CharlesDickens111]

Yo this slaps fam fr fr no cap shit be bussin

[@jopiism]

Extrodinarily beautiful🤍

[@meurtrie]

Enregistrement fait dans l'Ecole Maternelle Sadi-Carnot avec les enfant de madame Boulay. Bravo à eux.

[@meurtrie]

Il faut noter également que ce sont eux qui ont fait la pochette de l'album. Enfants de 3 à 4 ans

[@izu9860]

素敵💖💖💖 美しい作品です

[@brkahn]

Je n'avais jamais écouté, et ce n'est pas mal du tout! Ça rappelle vraiment le Pierrot lunaire...

[@lotharlamurtra7924]

je le préfère vraiment au Pierrot Lunaire

[@leavesofdecember]

I can understand how this was mindblowing in 1950s and it really is, but much like Duchamp, it's just opening new space for new possibilites, it's sad that we're now stuck in that space, instead of using it for what it was made. Like in science, we revere people who invented penicilin and whatnot, but we've moved on since then to much more improved inventions and this here is a very broken and empty space, that offers a ton of possibilities and instead of taking those possibilities we keep looking at the empty and broken space as the ultimate art... :(

[@bernardoantelo4763]

Well, I think we sometimes make the mistake of believing that music is supposed to "Evolve" to something better. But that is wrong, music isn't science and music doesn't evolve it simply changes over time according to social and technological circumstances. An evolution of music would imply that music from the past was more primitive and that's not the case. Music from the Renascence or the barroque was in many cases more complicated and elaborate than music from the Classicism that came after. I don't think it's accurate to say that Bach was more primitive than Beethoven or Wagner, they're just different musicians from different eras and different styles. There's no musical evolution.

[@gustavoflorio5383]

@@bernardoantelo4763 you can, for sure, say that music evolve in terms of possibilities of expression. At some point of hystory, we didn't even know how to sing, just hit rocks... Music was just plain shit back them 😅

[@j.p.westwater2334]

​@@gustavoflorio5383I'd rather listen to cromagnons hit rocks together than whatever the fuck this garbage is.

[@adamkejji6050]

Le sang coule de mes oreilles

[@tylerm858]

Damn, Pierre... Got me tappin my feet a lil bit.

[@feathersoffancy8988]

This absolutely slaps y’all

[@nuside4115]

En musicothérapie, ce morceau s'appelle le cyanure 😊,

[@mona_seles]

Estou feliz por conhecer esse trabalho.

[@NelsonSantiagoClarinete]

Eu também

[@forgottenclown9115]

1. Avant L'Artisanat Furieux 0:00 2. Commentaire I De 'Bourreaux De Solitude 1:41 3. L' Artisanat Furieux 5:47 4. Commentaire II De 'Bourreaux De Solitude 8:36 5. Bel Édifice Et Les Pressentiments, Version Premiere 12:27 6. Bourreaux De Solitude 16:32 7. Apres L'Artisanat Furieux 20:50 8. Commentaire III De 'Bourreaux De Solitude' 21:53 9. Bel Edifice Et Les Pressentimens, Doube 27:39

[@karlkinono]

La musique commence quand ?

[@rfyl]

To the people who have quoted derogatory comments by "musical experts": Who cares what anybody writes about it, whether pro or con? Don't read about it -- *listen* to it. Either you like it or you don't like it. If you don't like it, and if you have time, try to listen to it repeatedly, now and then, over the years. See whether you begin to like it more. (For that matter, if you *do* like it, see whether you begin to like it less! It could happen.) Similarly, I don't expect you to care one tiny bit about whether *I* like or not. So why should I care one tiny bit about whether you -- or some writer -- likes it or not? (Having said that, FWIW, I do like it, but not nearly as much as some Stockhausen contemporary with it. But that should not matter to anyone except me.)

[@rfyl]

In fairness, I admit that reading about music ... and learning, from that reading, *what* to listen for ... *has* led me to change my musical tastes over the years. But it was the (guided) *listening* that changed my tastes, not the mere reading. Playing it on the piano, when possible, also helped.

[@lukehall8151]

"Critics are men who watch a battle from a high place then come down and shoot the survivors." Ernest Hemingway.

[@gustavoflorio5383]

I find interesting if someone that liked or disliked a piece/composer has some compelling argument then goes and indicates something else to listen... I just don't always "thrust" streaming algorithms.

[@danielwilson3671]

I really admire the open-minded comments in this thread. I wish I could hear it how you do! Please excuse me, though, as I need to back to my safe haven of diatonic harmony :)

[@Wrennityy]

don't lie, music homework is why we're all here.

[@Patriotic_Peashooter]

you got me.

[@Cesar-ey7wu]

You don't know what you're saying... I'm here to find music for my students.

[@jimenezangelli8566]

I have like 20 minutes to turn in an essay on this rip

[@Tizohip]

no

[@Tizohip]

its because, im composer

[@gero3015]

This is a certiified hood classic

[@aporeticist]

Guys, I just ate an edible and came here via a Kenneth Goldsmith interview. Help.

[@whereissandwich]

This is what plays in the hallways of The Distortion

[@cerealdesignationsilly]

YES

[@machida5114]

so good ...

[@sugardaddy4714]

Ah, it's that "you don't get it" type of music...

[@-ddlucc]

oleee

[@Empyreanabove]

From 'The Music Instinct' by Philip Ball: "....it was in the very nature of serialism that it concerned itself ever less with what a listener heard and became ever more a glass bead game for arranging with notes. There's no better illustration of this than...'Le Marteau sans Maitre'. Widely acclaimed when it was first performed, it nevertheless posed a puzzle. Boulez indicated that it was a serial piece but no one could work out how. it wasn't until 1977 that the theorist Lev Koblyakov figured out the unconventional serial process. In other words, for over 20 years no one could deduce let alone hear the organizational structure of this "masterpiece"....But it shows that there is no intelligible organization of pitch...(and, one might add,of rhythm either). One can hardly blame audiences for suspecting that what is left is musically rather sparse."

[@samuelmatzner6216]

There is an intelligible organization of pitch, and of rhythm as detailed by Lev Koblyakov-there's a whole book he wrote on the subject-and many others. It's not fair to dismiss a work of art just because it isn't immediately accessible, especially when what is left musically is as rich a soundscape as Le Marteau.

[@filippomaranitassinari2529]

The fact that there is a pitch orientation seems empyric to me. The fact that the structure is hidden doesn't negate the fact that the hearer can perceive a specific logic in insisting on some chords and progressions. The Instrumentation is really brillant, and there are some mind blowing harmonics plays. No wonder the Boulez could raise admiration in geniouses like Stravinskij and Frank Zappa alike

[@BlakeDoesBusiness]

Theres no mystery. It's a piece of shit

[@Empyreanabove]

@@JossWainwright Of course they can't. Even people that know nothing about the ways that normal music is organized can appreciate it. You don't need to know about Triads or Octaves to like the music of Verdi or the Beatles. The point is that the underlying structure in conventional music produced beauty and legibility on top. The underlying structure of Serial music may make sense in a theoretical way, but what the ears hears is illegible chaos. Rhythm? I can't hear anything in this gibberish that would make me tap my foot or nod my head.

[@Empyreanabove]

@@JossWainwright Once again, as in some much of serial music, it is beyond the reach of the listener

[@udomatthiasdrums5322]

still love it!!

[@MrGer2295]

Beautiful :)

[@machida5114]

古典と言えます。 This is a classic.

[@rob16248]

This music sweats an intellectual prowess, so few are able to grasp. The benighted masses, upon hearing this, would mostly dismiss it as a jarring and discordant mix of randomised sounds. Whereby us rarefied few would gladly surrender our worldly possessions, (and perhaps a kidney), to enjoy an evening, deciphering Pierre Boulez's cryptic compositions.

[@smartgenes1]

It's horrid.

[@rob16248]

@@smartgenes1 Low brow!

[@fanfoire]

This music sweats an intellectual prowess, so few are able to grasp. The benighted masses, upon hearing this, would mostly dismiss it as a jarring and discordant mix of randomised sounds. Whereby us rarefied few would gladly surrender our worldly possessions, (and perhaps a kidney), to enjoy an evening, deciphering Lady Gaga's cryptic compositions.

[@Sploooks]

This music sweats an intellectual prowess, so few are able to grasp. The benighted masses, upon hearing this, would mostly dismiss it as a jarring and discordant mix of randomised sounds. Whereby us rarefied few would gladly surrender our worldly possessions, (and perhaps a kidney), to enjoy an evening, deciphering Ice Spice's cryptic compositions.

[@가을구름-i7p]

악보악기: 플룻, 비브라폰,기타, 알토 이렇게 적힘, 총렬악보처럼 보인다.작곡가의 통제라는 점에서 얼브라운의 available form과 비교하면, 얼브라운은 우영성음악 블레즈는 총렬음악, 얼브라운 악보는 총보쓰여있고 악보에 세로로 길게 뜬끔ㅍ초로 1234적혀있다. 《주인 없는 망치》는 20세기 아방가르드 음악 중 논란의 여지없이 고전으로 인정받는 몇 안 되는 작품 중 하나로 초연부터 대단한 성공을 거두었다. 콘트랄토와 함께 알토 플루트, 비올라, 기타, 비브라폰, 마림반, 조율되지 않은 타악기의 합주는 베이스 라인이 조성되는 것을 피하고, 유럽 음악답지 않은 방식으로 형형색색의 소리가 공중에 떠다니는 느낌을 주었다. 이 작품에서 노랫말로 쓰인 르네 샤르의 초현실주의 시는 풍부한 짜임새와 정의 내리기 어려운 의미를 내포하고 있어 이러한 느낌을 더욱 강화시킨다

[@ricardb.6476]

buen vídeo crack. Sigue así

[@austinosman8148]

On se branlait bien la nouille dans les années 50.

[@YannM]

😂😂

[@reinhardlippert4363]

Danke auch für's Übersetzen, besser als bei engl.Texten

[@HaroldHivart]

Philipp Glass : OUI !!! Pierre Boulez : NON !!! PITIé NON !! 😱😱😱

[@lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb15]

How much weed must one smoke to compose this?

[@apzzpa]

enough so that you fall asleep at the keyboard and it gets inputed into Sibelius

[@xenakis-1589]

Weed is what Stravinsky smoked to compose. You need to smoke salvia to compose this

[@larchange1657]

OK ne vous énervez pas , il parait que c'est de la musique ...!

[@qwertyschneider]

If you would have to choose between, let's say, Das Lied von der Erde and this 'piece', to hear for the rest of your life, who would really choose this??? Well, better thought, hearing to this always would help me to not miss music. It's the first time I thanked God for hearing some commercials

[@chaussurefrancaise2693]

Si many centuries of great civilisations for that

[@ţťþtţtt]

yeah

[@lotharlamurtra7924]

Tout est excellent. La flûte en particulier.

[@jmdf1323]

Teaching this piece in the housing projects of France should be compulsory

[@altu1615]

Heureusement qu'après les traumatismes des deux guerres mondiales, l'humanité a réussi à retrouver une expressivité... parce que les compositeurs du temps de Boulez avaient oublié que la musique n'est pas une énigme mathématique ou harmoniques (et encore il y a pire, il y en a qui font du bruit avec leur vaisselle et qui appellent ça de la musique). Je suis toujours ravi de constater que les compositeurs de musique de films ont en quelque sorte cloué le bec à ces gens trop "intellectuels". Le système tonale n'est pas mort, et il ne le saura jamais... C'est la la grande différence entre de vrais génies comme Prokofiev ou Stravinsky et Boulez

[@vincentdesaunais1364]

Stravinsky était très ami avec Boulez et à par ailleurs composé de la musique sérielle.

[@HaroldHivart]

@@vincentdesaunais1364 et alors ?

[@vincentdesaunais1364]

@@HaroldHivart et alors cette opposition entre musique tonale et atonale ou concrète... n'est pas nécessairement le fait des compositeurs mais bien souvent de quelques amateurs qui brandissent seulement leurs goûts comme les étendards de la Vérité et dénigrent ceux des autres. On peut d'ailleurs très bien aimer tous ces styles de musique sans hiérarchiser.

[@vincentdesaunais1364]

De plus "les compositeurs du temps de Boulez" se situent après les deux guerres mondiales ; peut-être serait-il judicieux pour l'auteur du message, avant de s'ériger en parangon du bon goût de vérifier ses sources historiques.

[@normhardy]

For me it is at best an acquired taste, and I'm not there yet.

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

Balls without balls? I can get behind this!

[@LendallPitts]

Quite an interesting reading, actually.

[@brunosipavicius7867]

nunca ouvi uma composição dele. gostei bastante. tenho o anel do Wagner que ele conduziu em 1976.

[@nilsonneto3193]

What the hell is that.

[@XWNLOX]

Patrician music, you pleb.

[@karlkinono]

It's hell.

[@canersabri8073]

Experimental music

[@geniusrepairman1]

What happens when a master blacksmith forgets where he put his hammer...

[@RasberrySkittle]

Music from outside most peoples narrow conception of how music is supposed to sound.

[@difficultdwarf]

If I could describe how splatter pieces sound, it would be this.

[@foley325405]

Let's be real. Aside from the whimsical aspect of the composition, there is nothing here. It's wonderful to create something like this, but where do you ever hear it performed anywhere, any more. Dead as the proverbial doornail. Great conductor, perhaps one of the greatest, but his own music will hardly gain a foothold in future history.

[@poemedufeu]

dawg you are such an oldhead.

[@jacqueslardoix290]

Moi : Magnifique, je suis ému. Boulez : Vive Zému !

[@karlkinono]

C'est naze

[@loucrocfer5613]

Qui est la pour la musique étudié au collège

[@Empyreanabove]

Some pertinent comments on "Le Marteau.." “It is not possible to invoke any ‘inevitable time lag’ which is supposed to be required for the assimilation of …such critically acclaimed works as… Le marteau sans maître… Those who champion 'the new music' await its assimilation into the repertory much as the early Christians awaited the Second Coming" -Christopher Small "While Boulez’s iconoclasm was attractive to some students of twentieth-century classical music, who venerated… Le marteau sans maître,… most neutral listeners then as now found both his polemic and his music thoroughly impenetrable" -Howard Goodall

[@docsketchy]

This music is not impenetrable. All one has to do is to suspend ones expectations, and it becomes very clear. If you are expecting to hear II-V-I progressions, plagal cadences, a toe-tappable beat, and all that stuff, then you will be sorely disappointed. However, if you simply put all that nonsense aside and take it for what it is, then many unexpected pleasures await you. I actually pity people who cannot hear the beauty in this kind of music -- their world is less rich because of it. Also, remember, composers don't compose for you -- they compose for themselves. If a composer wants to compose with tonality, then great -- that's his or her prerogative (on this point I very much disagree with the young Boulez -- tonality didn't have to be thrown out -- it's just another tool in the toolbox). If he or she instead wants to forge a different path, then that's also great. Where's the harm, even if John Q. Philistine cannot wrap his tiny mind around it? My world is infinitely richer because of the post-war composers. If there was a God, I'd thank Him for this music.

[@fideldiiulio554]

No "entender la música" no es una dificultad intelectual, sino afectiva. Típico de personas que dividen la música en buena o mala según sus gustos estéticos o nivel de dificultad de ejecución. ¡ Viva toda la música !

[@jabulani9999]

callate

[@Dieubussy]

Un marteau qui ne casse plus rien. J'aime bien la définition qu'en donne André HODEIR: "le geste sardonique du musicien maudit jetant à la figure du public une oeuvre qu'il est capable de comprendre".

[@parissamichaud453]

c'est vraiement le marteau sans maitre, les pensees en parfaite vagabondage! ca fait du bien, la liberte de pensee sans aucune structure, le laisser vagabonder....

[@carllefrere2615]

wow

[@Kermitthegreen695]

Daamnn bro this kinda slaps

[@mentrel222]

Musique rigolote. Au début, on croit que les musiciens s'accordent puis on trouve que cela dure et on réalise que le concert est commencé. Par contre, si une mouche chie sur une partition, je suis sur que le musicos jouera la chiure de mouche, non ?

[@ogermanclaus3092]

Excellente analyse ! Félicitations !

[@karlkinono]

En fait la partition est écrite à base de chiures de mouches.

[@MrChristian]

I wish I could “get” this music. But I guess I’m not evolved enough.

[@SaccidanandaSadasiva]

So beautiful, maybe not in the traditional way but still beautiful

[@drpzor]

Best music for studying for music classes

[@machida5114]

It is a masterpiece.

[@karlkinono]

It's a mastershit

[@bbbeternelle]

legendary piece

[@hyu358]

Je crois que cette homme essaie de communiquer

[@Maria-tu9kc]

molto molto

[@flopsmaster6533]

bonjour,quelq'un pourrait me dire les instruments qu'il y a dans cette oeuvre?

[@AngelofSin666666]

Sur le site de l'IRCAM: Effectif détaillé soliste : mezzo-soprano soloflûte alto, percussionniste, vibraphone, xylorimba, guitare, alto

[@karlkinono]

Pas besoin d'instruments, il suffit de faire des prouts.

[@jean-michelbessou3461]

Un instrument de quoi, de musique vous êtes sûr ? Il n'y a rien que je méprise tant que tous ces excréments que sont les petits bourgeois : ils savent qu'ils vont crever et comme ils sont jaloux de Dieu ils essaient de détruire l'âme en utilisant une pseudo "musique" conçue pour cela.

[@jean-michelbessou3461]

@@karlkinono c'est de la m... de toute façon,...

[@Συναισθησις]

@@jean-michelbessou3461 Merci pour votre commentaire mon cher, j'ai bien ri!

[@sarahdrawz]

This is terrible❤

[@moutserge]

Je suis complétement imperméable à ce genre de musique qui m'angoisse. Pierre Boulez c'est l'art de déconstruire, disséquer, analyser. Finalement c'est comme en peinture avec l'art contemporain l'oeuvre devient secondaire ce qui compte c'est le discours qui l'entoure. On passe plus de temps à expliquez l'oeuvre qu'a se laisser guider par elle. Exit l'émotion : trop humaine. Exit le travail de composition trop fatiguant. Exit l'harmonie pas assez élitiste.

[@brkahn]

Si elle vous angoisse, vous n'y êtes pas imperméable

[@moutserge]

Vous avez raison, je me suis mal exprimer, mais cela ne change rien à ce que je pense de ce genre musical.

[@YannM]

@@moutserge C'est de la bouillie musicale pour cinglés !!!

[@Συναισθησις]

"Exit le travail de composition trop fatiguant"??? Ce genre de musique a encore plus de restrictions que dans un système heptatonique.

[@moutserge]

@@Συναισθησις restriction = restreindre tout est dit non ! ? Plus sérieusement : il est plus facile de mon point de vue de faire des dissonances que des Harmonies. Je fais de la peinture et croyez moi je sais de quoi je parle. Copier Ingres est beaucoup plus ardu et demande bien plus de technique que de copier un Cézanne

[@smkh2890]

I find this all unconnected. There is no forward drive to tie it all together.

[@josephsylve6758]

Il aurait pu appeler cela tourista sur un clavier... Parce que c'est tout ce que ça m'évoque

[@filippoferin637]

Mio padre

[@marcduchesnay5536]

Avoir essayé, avoir pas pu. C'est comme marcher pieds nus sur une plage de galets.

[@delko000]

Somehow I feel this is the musical equivalent of Duchamp's urinal.

[@sugardaddy4714]

Duchamp was funny at least. Boulez was offensively self-serious.

[@paulhoffmann3405]

@@sugardaddy4714 Hm I think he was a pretty warm guy with lots of humor in his eyes, at least as a person. Dont know how "funny" his music is.

[@20secondcentury22]

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