Piers Morgan and Douglas Murray React To Kevin Spacey Being Found Not Guilty

Piers Morgan Uncensored was joined by associate editor of The Spectator Douglas Murray, TalkTV contributor Esther Krakue and socialist and author Grace Blakeley to react to Kevin Spacey being found not guilty at the conclusion of his court case.
Douglas points out that Spacey previously had cases thrown out in the past for the same allegations and had already proven his innocence before.
Piers adds that he finds it worrying that even after being cleared of all charges, there are still people who want to end his career and not let him work again.
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[@annpanton2377]

If there are no consequences for false allegations people will continue to destroy innocent lives. There must be consequences

[@mrmusiclover87]

Just because a jury found him not guilty, doesn't mean the allegations are false.

[@TsunamiAdventures]

Tell that to TripAdvisor. Or so many more …. Hard to get past it….peeWee Herman…..so many more.

[@L-8]

@@mrmusiclover87 Correct. However, that does not mean that the allegations themselves would, during the trial, not have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be false. It is in that case that the false-accuser should be punished.

[@louloubrow2171]

​@@mrmusiclover87found not guilty on all charges 😳 that's innocent

[@mrmusiclover87]

@@louloubrow2171 First of all, no, it's technically not, as "innocent" and "not guilty" do not mean the same thing in a court of law. Secondly, my point is that whether he is found guilty or not, doesn't mean the allegations themselves are false. Remember the oj Simpson trial?

[@channelvr1293]

Let's bring Kevin spacey back on the screen !! VOTE YES

[@JasonVoorheesFriday13th]

The media shouldn't be allowed to report on accusations.

[@GregorioStyreco]

this is the best comment that ive ever read. because that would be the biggest impact in our society. I find it really sad that you only have....22 likes on this one.

[@jenniferdono1444]

Agreed!

[@thresagraham8181]

Yes, people who lie need to be prosecuted, massively.

[@nickthelad9]

I hope Kevin Spacey does come back as an actor. He is brilliant.

[@bankafouf.]

that's write ...

[@cgray8267]

@@bankafouf.right.

[@JonathanExley]

@@bankafouf. That's wrong.

[@cazza2754]

So funny in horrible bosses

[@kariskogstadlita8085]

Totally Agree ,he is the BEST.

[@peggyw172]

If people are proven to be a liar they should be charged for fraudulent claims and lawsuits.

[@richardg1450]

Absolutely, no question!

[@aislingnid5163]

In a case of he said she said it's hard to "prove" a victim is lying. Often there just isn't enough evidence to convict. That's why "not found guilty" doesn't mean by default "innocent". Although I know nothing of this case so I'm not specifically referencing it when I say that...

[@peggyw172]

@@aislingnid5163 Yes, I agree with you on those points.

[@Malgosia44]

Morgan wouldn't get out of court.

[@ghw1985]

there was a girl going around doing this to guys who turned her down and eventually the men counter sued for false allegations, loss of work defamation of character and won

[@BryanLomax]

Grace saying, "they know what the risks of being in the limelight are", is essentially the same thing as blaming a rape victim for having been dressed in revealing clothing. Disgusting!

[@Lijoue]

Yea she came across as a real shit frankly. Wonder if her opinion would be different were it her on trial.

[@nitrogod]

Grace is obviously in a wrong show. Having low IQ and limited vocabulary she would be a better fit in a cable TV show about painting nails. Piers, I understand you have to show the "Other sides" opinion but at least get someone capable of having one :)

[@Jealod24]

She wasn’t excusing it… she was just explaining that when ppl become celebrities they will be targeted and that’s not right… listen to her again

[@nuntana2]

Women can say such things flippantly because they very rarely end up in such a scenario. They typically do the blame came, false rape etc. How may guys' lives have been destroyed through liars, typically from women but also men like here? They should be banged up. End of!

[@Lijoue]

@@nuntana2 A PROVEN false allegation has to carry consequences, absolutely right...

[@johnfairweather9188]

I almost lost a job once because a female coworker jokingly said that I had said something inappropriate to her that a manager took seriously. Fortunately, that coworker made it clear that she was making a joke and that I had not said anything inappropriate.

[@MonoLith2049]

I had the police interview me, my daughter and my ex wife after a disgruntled customer told them I was a p d file because I wouldn't give her a refund which she wasn't entitled to. Yes she should've been charged for lying and wasting police time

[@johnfairweather9188]

@@MonoLith2049 It’s disgusting that someone would threaten your livelihood and freedom just to save some money. That woman is a disgusting person.

[@siorai1]

@@MonoLith2049when I was 13 me and 6 friends got accused of a gang rape. It was by a girl in my neighbourhood that I had never interacted with in my life, I didn’t even know her. It was a big thing with police trying to pressure us to admit to it. Luckily after a couple weeks she ended up admitting to making up the whole story, she said she did it because she didn’t think anybody cared about her - I still don’t understand it tho, why that was what she decided to do. Some people are seriously twisted But I’m lucky she admitted to it, if she didn’t then I could have been known as some kind of freak sex criminal False accusations are evil

[@Q_QQ_Q]

​@@MonoLith2049wow that's worst . Can CCTV help in this situation ?

[@suckerpunch3718]

Douglas Murray is once again the voice of reason (and sanity) no surprise there! Love this guy!

[@paulhornsey-pennell1931]

same ... as for the other two panellists ..... why are they there?

[@MrRhurbarb]

You gotta love the Doug.

[@rpcruz28]

​@@paulhornsey-pennell1931same here

[@rpcruz28]

Im starting not to like this show just because the nonsense of those 2 women

[@nicolavincenzo7927]

@@paulhornsey-pennell1931because grace may be a freaky deaky socialist but my god her smile could kill cancer

[@joyuk]

After enduring 6 years of being treated as guilty until proven innocent I hope he sues House Of Cards and those who cancelled him for millions! The people who made the false charges against him should be in prison. I am not saying this because I am a KS fan, but because we ALL need to live with the basic legal right of being presumed innocent until proven guilty, otherwise our entire justice system falls apart and any one of us can be wrongfully accused of anything and cancelled!

[@happymood888]

His best friend Jeffrey Epstein should give him a job

[@Ashley_Schaeffer]

You got to be kidding... He had 3 of his accusers killed... It's hard to convict someone when all of the witnesses are dead...

[@Deploracle]

Kevin was presumed innocent ... he wasn't being kept in jail during trial. The general public had all sorts of theories but that is part of the cost of celebrity.

[@thehairygolfer]

@@Ashley_Schaeffer You better present your evidence of these murders to the Police. In fact, why haven't you done so already?

[@timhealy7335]

@joyuk Pedo apologist

[@JasonVoorheesFriday13th]

The false accuser should be in prison for 10 years then when released made to work the rest of his life to pay Kevin Spacey some compensation.

[@MdmLuna]

Man, my heart breaks for Kevin Spacey, such a wonderful and talented actor. But he is so supreme I do hope we can see more of him, we need good art and he is a master of his!

[@Jmask5]

This is why Johnny Depp asked for Cameras in the court room. If he had not he would not have gotten his reputation back and his victory would have been swept under the rug.

[@nutcracker2916]

Especially Murdoch's press who were gunning for him. They would have twisted the narrative to favour Heard.

[@Bellatrys]

I believe Johnny Depp decision is why the judges and jury are deciding not to just believe so called accuser. We and especially Men better thank that dude

[@shawnawana235]

That blonde girl just yells over everyone. So annoying

[@DieFlabbergast]

Not "yells," the word is "shrieks." I'd rather listen to a flock of crows.

[@e.d9424]

Seems she got a free pass to play reporter, her folks are probably buddies with Piers 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Kededian]

She's plain stupid.

[@shaneduggan7901]

Thick as a plank

[@AndyLemke1]

She did nail Piers though logically. Piers simultaneously asked for more social media control - oh but not for Trump.

[@k.elmaraghy1370]

I've been a fan of Kevin and still am. One hell of an actor.

[@words007]

Cosby show is ugly as the guy himself. Kevin Spacey as an actor is phenomenal and on all the sexual allegations on Spacey I knew from the start most were from the bad reading of all these people Spacey might have flirted with or approached and those gay dudes thought it was grabbing crotch or what not. It's the same when u call a women and touch her shoulder she alleges you have harassed her like wtf?

[@MrFurley2u]

As always Douglas, your always spot on! Humble speech from Kevin Spacey, hopefully he can reignite his career.

[@Rica0204]

This is a problem for many men. Accusations equal guilty. And then to just say "well he got off with it" rather than hes innocent. Its a terrible shame.

[@richardburton7704]

Especially in the family courts.

[@lorir5728]

There's A difference between proven innocent and found not guilty. In the united states anyway. It means that there is no proof but it doesn't necessarily mean a crime didn't happen. Think OJ.

[@aidanward7510]

The lad was mate with Jefferey Epstein and flew on his private jet several times. What are you on about lol.

[@tccandler]

The blonde guest needs to learn that she is not the main character.

[@silverscreenreviews8521]

You’d love the Black Lives Matter bird, Imrhan 😂

[@rulotron]

There needs to be consequences to face allegations, they should pay for all damages.

[@james1327]

Unbelievable what they did to this innocent man and they face no consequences.

[@Kelsdoggy]

Imagine being persecuted for 6 years for no reason whatsoever! Awful. This can happen to YOU!

[@adamburton99]

There's a reason- it's just not been truly exposed. He's upset the machine for some reason, it's just the machine doing what it does best- destruction of an enemy without mercy

[@yoursoulknows6444]

@@shaunlynch2019 and Tate

[@davidmaguire7385]

Trump knows all about it

[@cloudgary7596]

@@RealPeterAndrewNolansorry to hear that mate. Terrifying.

[@desdicadoric]

None of this happened out of nowhere, it was done for a reason, the media cover what they are told to cover

[@thetruthseeker3198]

I just bloody love Douglas Murray! When he talks people should listen!

[@tesladavinci]

And isn't afraid to defend The West and Western Values.

[@YMC1955]

I always do !!!

[@CordobaGeneral1234]

He is a stinky poof

[@aftabmohammedify]

He has his moments of bullshit.

[@annroberts4005]

I am not a fan of Douglas Murray and his views at all generally but agree with him 100% on this occasion.

[@joyelmes7814]

So easy to accuse, but almost impossible to be found not guilty by everyone who ‘judged’ you on the word of a liar.

[@lewisner]

I commented to a friend about the Russell Brand allegations and said "whatever happened to Kevin Spacey ?". I'd no idea he had been exonerated.

[@user-px7wy4bg7u]

me too, didn't find out until stumbling across this video by complete accident. crazy how news about him being accused was everything then complete silence when he was acquitted.

[@taylorlibby7642]

It's true that that there's a difference between "not guilty" and "innoccent", but the man has beaten every legal case brought against him. You don't have to like him, but at some point you have to acknowledge that his life seems to have been taken away from him unfairly.

[@iykeharrison9161]

If you believe in the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" then by implication "not guilty" and "innocent" are one and the same, because "innocent" is the default position , until guilt is proven. If guilt is not proven then innocent remains.

[@eskiltester3913]

​@iykeharrison9161 not true. You're never found innocent only not guilty. The not guilty is usually due to lack of evidence. If you want to be found innocent you have to file a petition to the courts ince found not guilty. It's never given really. Not guilty means the prosecutions case couldn't be made

[@taylorlibby7642]

​@@iykeharrison9161???? No, they're not actually the same. "Innocent" isn't one of the choices given to a jury. "Not guilty" means that the prosecution did not meet it's burden of proof to support a guilty verdict.

[@DeltaH-9]

​@taylorlibby7642 ...Therefore, he's innocent.

[@jaylockwood5030]

I would be honoured to be blanked by Kevin Spacey. For most people it would be a step up.

[@bazmina]

Making false allegations should carry a criminal sentence. You can't just go around accusing ppl of heinous crimes they haven't done without consequences. In print media that is libel even on modest character questioning. These were sickening allegations

[@aVerySillyBilly]

and they should be on a register

[@markpelletier6188]

It should be branded on their face so everyone can see what a lying piece of 💩💩 looks like

[@BRITAINSFINEST24]

You do know his on epsteins flight log right? His a very powerful man and his been exposed multiple times. Look at epsteim he was found not guilty many times and well we know what happened there.

[@Jack-dg6ky]

​@@BRITAINSFINEST24 being on a flight log doesn't make you guilty. Everyone should have the right of innocent until proven guilty. Imagine if you were falsely accused of something, would you just accept it and be happy because there is subjective evidence out there?

[@BRITAINSFINEST24]

@Jack-dg6ky We all know everyone who got on that private plane knew about or took part in the heinous crimes epstein committed. He's been exposed for it multiple times. And if you can't see how guilty he is, then you need to wake up and step into reality. Jeffery epsteim was found not guilty many times before his arrest. Was he innocent? The guy has money and is a powerful man. Of course, he's gonna get off with it. I've been falsely accused before ya point is? I still deal with the mental problems it's caused me to this day. There's no argument to make there.

[@n3d_ludd379]

Douglas Murray, thank you for your voice of reason as always

[@philgillmartin5053]

"That wound you up and it worked." Brilliant Piers.

[@cathymorrison8683]

Spacy and Depp need to make a film together!! Really , they have been put through the ringer!!!!

[@Kelsdoggy]

I’d pay to watch it no matter what is in it 😂. Poor guys.

[@DLM440]

I think you are onto something!

[@Peter_Pepper_the_Pickled_Piper]

"House of The Carribean"😂

[@bobcassidy201]

Lol could be a buddy cop movie about falsely accused officers on the run!

[@scissoroarscissoroar3214]

@@TopG8733Andrew Tate has groomed women and made money off them pimping them out, he openly admits it

[@premsun]

The blonde girl has her own justice system here ..

[@markh2355]

Wait until the system comes for her!

[@rustyhowe3907]

I'm impressed you could decipher her chicken squawk babbling.

[@stephenscherer21337]

When did we all start to accept people talking over each other? Halt the conversation and call the person out if they interrupt. Just don't allow it.

[@mLi75]

Hope Kevin and Piers will have a sit down together.

[@williamboyd9690]

That Grace is infuriating.

[@TerriReuserHVR90]

Douglas Murray is so well-spoken and puts his arguments forward in such a reasoned way, he makes that screechy female look even more ridulous, speaking of being in the public eye. These ppl who make up stories need to prosecuted. What a waste of court time, money and resources. This very thing happened to a hugely popular media personality in Canada. At the height of "Me Too", two women conspired against him. Despite being found "not guilty" and the women proven as liars, his career was never revived. Those women needed to be prosecuted for perjury.

[@beverleycarroll1551]

screechy female....love it....god she was awful and so self-centered....

[@ninerempire3398]

Piers constantly showing his true colors by having Douglas Murray as a a co-host non stop

[@vilhelmhammershoi3871]

Incredible, I had no idea the great Kevin Spacey had been exonerated! I am so happy to hear he has been proven innocent time and again. I do hope he then does something about suing those who alleged those awful things about him. People need to have consequences (both, personal and economic) for their false accusations.

[@williamsummers6438]

This problem is easily solved. "Guilty and the accused is punished. "Not proven" and the case is dismissed. "Innocent" and the accuser is punished for bearing false witness. Can it really be that difficult.

[@cspace1234nz]

Yeah it can

[@FlorinG.]

The accusation of women against men would drop like an asteroid from the sky, and women would think twice before ruining innocent men’s lives with endless false allegations.

[@jabbadabbajew6035]

This would work. Really good suggestion.

[@nutcracker2916]

@@FlorinG. One woman accused a footballer she was dating of rape. The charges were dropped, she reunited with him. And now has a baby by him. Bizarre!

[@GrandmasterZen]

My brother got assault charges brought against him for restraining a woman by the wrists while she was punching him .. she called the cops and he didnt . . He beat the charges after a yr of not being able to see his kid. But no repercussions for her false claim.. he got called a woman basher and it was all very humiliating for him. I dont think hes been the same since.

[@jj68]

I'm glad the truth has come out. Kevin Spacey is an actor I've admired since the 80's, and you have to search very hard to find a villain as sinister as Jonathan Doe in Se7en. I'm real pleased for him.

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

I knew he was innocent from the beginning. They just wanted his money. I love Kevin Spacey 💞and always will, no matter what the Haters say!

[@markpeace495]

I hope MR Spacey returns to acting, not only is he very successful, he is also one of the best actors in the world. When i first heard these allegations i calle BS straigh away, now he has been vindicated by multiple courts around the world, good for him, 👏👏👏👏👏

[@gregwisniewski1962]

If he was find guilty ,half of The Hollywood should be on jail.Leave him alone.Great actor

[@orianhutton1053]

I find the ease with which people attack others on social media really unpleasant. When I speak out against this, I too am attacked. There are a lot of sad people who seem to enjoy being poisonous.

[@WillyoDee]

The troll in me wants to attack this content so hard right now lolololol

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

Unhappy people always lash out at others. I love Kevin Spacey 💞and always will, no matter what the Haters say!

[@markpelletier6188]

They are mostly cockroaches who would never make a peep to anyone in person.

[@kingkoi6542]

​@@Peekaboo-KittyKevin Spacey loves 14 year olds

[@lauraa8005]

This is so true. I remember saying damn I hope he is not guilty and coworker accusing me of condoning his actions (which were not proven at that time)

[@tech1238]

Isn’t it wild

[@daphneroberts1795]

Reminds of me Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. The truth will always out.

[@Henry-kz4gn]

saying you hope he is not guilty is also saying you hope he didnt do it, what a leap to make that into condoning it

[@scottstuerke4560]

Right on Pierce.

[@jomontanee]

Mr. Murray is so right! Media is to blame too.

[@pommiebears]

Now, a jury should decide on what to do with these people, who are falsely accusing others, of this heinous crime. This will continue to happen to men until somebody charges these “innocent people” with the lies that ruin lives!!

[@SkotiM]

Really pleased for Kevin. The CPS should now be thoroughly punished for pursuing a case with zero merit. We need more than "lessons learnt" or "resignations". We need a publically visible prosecution of those who brought this case and those who made these false accusations. Each one should serve the same prison sentence Kevin would have faced. Austentatious Horror is now my new favourite phrase.

[@krixpop]

AMEN ! And Reciprocity ! Someone HAS to pay all the damage Kevin suffered. Plus they stole from us the performance of an amazing Actor !

[@ilikecringe]

I do wonder if he wasn't guilty then why did he come out as gay when the accusations happened making him look more guilty than ever?

[@krixpop]

@@ilikecringe honesty ?

[@ilikecringe]

@@krixpop Yeah

[@lee-annebarrett366]

There should be Consequences for false accusations.

[@chon3493]

Those false allegators should be put to prison

[@crazymarkiplierfan]

I've missed spacey a lot, He's an amazing actor and we should enjoy as much of him as we can

[@mk9330]

Agreed, I hope they bring back house of cards

[@martin1377]

@@mk9330 Without that witch that decided to say nothing in his defence!

[@RussiaIsARiddle778]

Douglas is absolutely right, as usual. I’m in the US and I never knew until this broadcast that Kevin Spacey was exonerated in the US. What I remember vividly is the accusation and the rewriting of house of cards to write him out of it. It was a terrible shame, because it was a fascinating and unusual program. Very well written and unfortunately, Kevin Spacey didn’t help his cause by immediately outing himself as gay is so that with a real crime. He should not have done that. He felt that his viewers would be more upset that he was gay, and they were with him grooming a younger man. This is been several years back now. So the time in between the revelation and his exoneration here in the US was dramatic. Perhaps Spacey should have had his publicist call in favors to have a press gaggle at the court once he was exonerated, as shown here this week in the UK. I’m afraid I have to agree that is fall from Grace is too far gone, just like Phil Schofield. The greater sin is the grooming, and both gay men thought so too.

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

Kevin is actually Bisexual. Isn't that all the rage in Hollywood these days because white heterosexuals are hated?

[@lingolarker9318]

I’m with you. This is news to me too😏

[@ht-rm4uu]

Ha . Next joke

[@VNExperience]

NBC Nightly News covered it the day the verdict came out. I was surprised that they did - but they did.

[@cdrone4066]

Who didn’t know he was gay, it didn’t matter because he is a great actor. He didn’t discuss it because it’s nobodies business.

[@kevinflores8521]

Good for him, great Actor. Hope to see him soon

[@agnesvanya2329]

Looking for money or fame by trashing someone's reputation is despicable and should be prosecuted. Douglas Murray hit the nail on the head, as he always does, and good for Piers Morgan for highlighting this.

[@darthbloodborn]

I hope Kevin spacey comes for all those people who ruined his life we need to go back to actually proving people guilty not guilty by public opinion

[@VampireHub616]

Don't you think it's strange that he came out gay after being accused of touching boys

[@pluntchgunster6156]

He already did. They all died mysteriously at the same time.

[@TruthSeekingElf]

Tell that to his victims.

[@darthbloodborn]

@@TruthSeekingElf I honestly don't care

[@darthbloodborn]

@@VampireHub616 no not really everyone seems to be gay in today's world

[@inessabanovic8491]

Love me some Kevin Spacey! Incredible actor! Hope he returns!

[@happymood888]

Jeffrey Epstein loved him too best friends he went to pedo Island numerous times

[@claylexander6171]

@@carlossus4973 is there another season due?

[@Itsliz1984]

I love Douglas Murray. He speaks facts. He does his research. I feel so sorry for any guest who is against Douglas Murray

[@naturerelaxing6746]

It’s very true, I remember when he was first accused he was everywhere, the main media, social media and even some celebrities talked about him. But I didn’t even know or heard that he was exonerated last year 😢

[@Jodie-ux1kn]

I didn't know he was found not guilty in the US and I'm happy for him. I, for one, stood up for him on social media.

[@BRITAINSFINEST24]

Have you seen epsteims flight logs? The guy you're "happy" for was on them.

[@Jodie-ux1kn]

@@BRITAINSFINEST24 It's Epstein. So Kevin Spacey was fooling around with the girls at Epstein's island? Lol got it. Yes, I'm happy for him as the people who accused him had zero evidence to back up their accusations and, in fact, the evidence showed them to be money-grabbing liars. Have you analyzed the flight logs? Or are you just repeating something you heard while not even being able to spell Epstein correctly?

[@mintint4965]

KS went to epstine island?

[@Jodie-ux1kn]

@@mintint4965 No. Josh has no idea what he's babbling about.

[@BRITAINSFINEST24]

@Jodie-ux1kn all you have to do is research and you'll find it. Tom hanks is on it, Ellen DeGeneres also. Their are even photos off them both together ON the island.

[@mr.coolmug3181]

And the liars who made these allegations won't be held to account for that. Anthony Rapp's accomplished career continues unmolested.

[@mfh6982]

I miss Norm.

[@dandrechesterfield5411]

Yep. That’s how it continues to happen because no one is held accountable

[@mrtopcat2]

Like Jussie Smollett.

[@Statupalmambarbacot3345]

And that is the real travesty...

[@nik07nik]

They arent lying.....I was on set with Spacey im Sydney Australia on the set of Superman returns and he is GUILTY;;;;;;;I guarantee you. He is a predator

[@piotrmajchrzak3861]

Found " not guilty " does not mean he is " not guilty "...

[@ruthietaylor8756]

Douglas is a hero! Love him!

[@bibekbasa]

Grace is just blabbering without making a point!

[@lyndkent-cl2oe]

Love Douglas Murray!......speaks truth!

[@ChristianMoncayo-dz2ic]

Just because a defendant is found not guilty it doesn't mean they are innocent.

[@Olivia-io9sb]

I DO hope we see Kevin Spacey back on our screens - such an incredible talent. His absence has been our loss., and I pray that his accusers face heavy penalties.

[@G-host0069]

I’m not famous or wealthy but I know what it’s like to have people want to bring you down so badly that they will do anything. Some humans are disgusting and pathetic creatures and they need to face justice for making false allegations.

[@paulinegauthier1867]

Agreed. They can literally ruin your life.

[@garymcatear822]

Been there, but i came out victorious and she was destroyed.

[@machine-operator8923]

Some joke !? Did any of You comenting here ever been a victim of a narcistic predator ? Mabe try it … See this so many times people suporting and admire narcistic predators

[@emilarabkhanov5069]

İ remember in 2018 when that story pop out, i was saying on facebook that there is no actual proof of him raping or molesting and people fckn attacked me instantly accusing me of defending rapist. Kevin Spacey is a brilliant actor, i hope he'll get some good roles.

[@gregharrison5479]

Not guilty does not directly imply innocent. Not guilty means prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Innocent is not a verdict.

[@ubiquitousdiabolus]

If the allegations were all false, that is quite disturbing and the claimants should go to prison. They have not only harmed Spacey, but all actual victims of sexual assault.

[@jaylawson9874]

Douglas Murray & Esther are once again the voices of reason.

[@TheRobin1976]

To be fair, if they are talking about the cases where Spacey was found not guilty not getting enough publicity they should also discuss the case where he WAS found guilty not getting much coverage either - the civil case where he was found guilty of breaching the sexual harassment policy on House of Cards and fined $31 million. Kevin was NOT shunned by Hollywood as a result of a 30 year old accusation by Anthony Rapp or because of his alleged misdeeds while running the Old Vic, it was because of his decades of creepy gropey behaviour towards young men which were well known within the industry and had continued contemporarily - as the verdict in the House of Cards case shows.

[@cyndielake4092]

Or was it just a case of everyone believed he was guilty so they found him thus. Losing a law suit doesn’t necessarily mean his is actually guilty just that the jury thought he was. Because juries don’t always get it right. And the threshold of proof in a civil case is much lower than a criminal one.

[@TheRobin1976]

@@cyndielake4092 Yes it is always possible, my point though was that Piers and Co shouldn't give the impression that he has been cleared in EVERY case when he was found guilty in a civil case (this was actually held before an arbitrator rather than a jury, who decided in favour of MRC, Kevin appealed the decision but it was upheld by a Los Angeles Superior Court Judge). One of his first reactions to the allegations in the US was to seek “evaluation and treatment” at a sex addiction clinic, which seems an odd response for someone who is completely innocent of any carnal misbehaviour.

[@elinstar6034]

Exactly. There were rumours floating around KS for decades before any accusations came out. Maybe partly because he chose to deny his sexual orientation - possibly that made it worse.

[@TheRobin1976]

@@elinstar6034 That's the main reason why he didn't come out earlier probably - being in the closet meant people generally didn't look any closer into his actual behaviour, and any rumours about him making passes at other guys were treated as “proof” he might be gay instead of evidence that he might be a predator. Ironically he often blamed the media for “using sexuality as a weapon,” but that's exactly what he was doing.

[@cyndielake4092]

@@TheRobin1976 I guess the reason I responded the way I did was you make statement regarding his behavior such as the last line in your most recent post as if you believe he is guilty. This is why the use of the word allegedly is used so often in the media. One so they don’t get sued but also in these types of cases there is no way to prove what he did or didn’t do so those who are deciding in these cases look at the claims and if there are enough allegations assume it must be true. And I agree with your point about Peirs & Co

[@mikestanton571]

Did she just say isn’t that free speech? Freedom of speech does not protect you from charges of slander and libel and those accusers need to be prosecuted.

[@andrewbram7314]

Pipiers Morgan and Douglas Murray should be priminster and deputy.

[@septillion2501]

5 years minimum prison sentence for anyone who makes a proveably false MeToo allegation. It'll prevent lives from being destroyed, and it'll help REAL victim get the attention and justice they deserve.

[@VivaSuga]

Amen to that 🙏

[@spacewater7]

Nah just sue them if they wrongly accused you. If you can provide proof of motivation and that they deliberately lied, well, ice the cake with some punitive damages for that.

[@johnboy14]

Proving sexual assault is incredibly difficult in court. The only reason weinstein got done was because he abused an entire battalion of women and the evidence was overwhelming. The best advice you can give to anyone who's been abused or worse is to go directly to the police and putting legal barriers in the way is not the right idea. We can discuss ways of illegally outing people before their convicted of anything but there had to be a discussion about balance.

[@nutcracker2916]

No one seems to get prosecuted for perjury , which surely lying on oath is ?

[@spacewater7]

@@nutcracker2916 Well when America has federal employees constantly perjuring themselves in front of Congress on live KZbin or TV with no consequences it kind of sets an example.

[@s.d.3492]

what does that say about Hollywood, which has become so woke, so self-righteous, it is despicable. I really hope Mr Spacey will be able to get his life back on track. He's an amazing actor!

[@Gardencourtlandscaping]

Same happened to me in south africa. Falsely charged for a murder that I had nothing to do with , withdrawn by a court, yet guilty to this very day 30years later by people. Unreal.

[@annegrzanka8229]

Kevin needs to tell the world who these liars were that accused him

[@sherylvalentiner6115]

The “justice” system takes FOREVER now, which is not how it use to be. 🇺🇸

[@Gailey379]

Well said! We live among many liars, people who have been lying for years and attempting to destroy people with lies.. This needs to stop, there should be penalties for the liars.

[@bronwhitley4350]

We also live among many abusers… let’s not punish victims.

[@michaelwalker1964]

Payed his way out of it

[@kokomanation]

In many cases people who commit crimes get away with them even in court if the evidence are not substantial to prove their guilt.

[@brettbambouturton3117]

Well said Mr Murray ❤

[@jacktrout]

I’m in a movie with Kevin in 2024 and knew this was nothing more than Celebrity Extortion. He’ll be back, in fact on March 22, 2024 in Peter Five Eight. I’m proud to be in this movie with him. Jack Trout

[@phucknuts.7065]

The false accuser should face the same sentence that the accused was facing.

[@filipsolis9574]

This is so sad, Kevin needs to come back.

[@danielmalcolm9068]

I am glad Piers you have made a point of Kevin Spacey ‘s innocence and the individuals on your show acknowledging he has been exonerated with all his court cases particularly the UK simply because If he had been found guilty he would have been incarcerated for many years in prison. It is still incredulous that there has not been much published in the media on how he has been successful in clearing his name, no apologies made from accusers that helped in ruining his career and from the independent bodies/companies that have crucified him in his life and career that have sped over 6 years whilst clearing his name.

[@fressfisch]

"OK Kevin.... You're a sick f u c k" "Yeah but what about my role?"

[@samc8183]

Can anyone name one intelligent thing Grace has ever said?

[@funnelwebspider9078]

I hope he can resurrect his career. This case just proves that not all allegations are true.

[@LoveandButter]

For decades, at least 30 years, I have cautioned young men about whom they spend time with because of how easily someone can accuse them of inappropriate touching (often a grudgeful woman) ,and even their closest friends will have lingering doubts. Men can never successfully defend himself against horrid accusations, the accusing alone leaves a stink, even if it is untrue.

[@joanneglas4851]

I think it will be a humbling man or woman to give him back his life. Show compassion. Bless him

[@ruthhadfield9726]

how about we keep the accused name out of the newspaper just like they do with the accuser even if it comes out as false

[@laylaali5977]

Unfortunately these days people are guilty until proven innocent I wish him well

[@whitelotus1960]

I worked at a jewelry company chain that would only fire you if you were found guilty of a crime. Not for an allegation. Most serious crime? Selling drugs. She took a plea deal, not found guilty, continued to work.

[@chullotm1970]

It would not be the first time that a jury was wrong!

[@ObelixBarbatus]

Social media has turned every milksop into a Hulk Hogan, every weak-kneed ninny into an MMA fighter, every opinionated moron into a Thurgood Marshall because of the cloak of anonymity and the scale of numbers.

[@nrox8823]

Every time I hear Grace talk, my ears bleed 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@paul_isaac]

Kevin's lawyer standing behind him is known as 'Product Placement'

[@MichalBurke98]

He is one of my favorite actors ever. I pray for a successful comeback on film and stage.

[@shantishanti1949]

I would watch him in the next NEW series of House of Cards tomorrow.

[@noelsplectrum9]

They killed him off.

[@premsun]

​@@noelsplectrum9he can be brought back to life .

[@shantishanti1949]

Missed the point ?!!

[@tech1238]

@@premsunlike John Snow?

[@themanwnoname3454]

I was actually told verbatim by my Eastern Civ professor in 2000 (Conan sing-a-long), “men can be trapped in abusive relationships too” in a very straight forward, emotionally honest way- while at the time I lacked envy for my professors bc politics was at best an inconvenience & we were a spectacularly gifted set of students with incredibly specific life goals, I also found my curiosity peaked and my feminist intuitions less theoretical & more humanized. I can’t say I’m not thrilled for Spacey, but if the truth is out I am also very curious about the driving socioeconomic forces behind the entire ordeal. I can’t fathom this post actually being consumed as intended 🥂

[@Bricks3374]

I can't fathom someone so self inclined to bolster themselves up as a super gifted person having any humility or any actual talent or intelligence.

[@billwilliams328]

You're a bloody mentalist!

[@marcuslinton310]

Most men are in a abusive relationships, they just don't know it because they turn in to simps and let their wives control their lives. The old snipping the balls and carrying them in their purse thing.

[@N1rvana109]

well you tried to sound fancy, didn't you?

[@rustyhowe3907]

You had double helpings of alphabet soup and have been farting fancy words ever since.