Pigeon Color Identification with Sam Smittiy

[@2xsurviver]

Found you looking for roller pigeon info for my husband.. even I like watching and learning from you.. my husband is the fancier, I’m just along for the ride.. hope you have your pigeon revolution show this year.

[@davechristensen8299]

The black and white mottle is beautiful!

[@ThatOneguy-br3uf]

Excellent job. Lots of respect for you please keep this up you’re doing a lot of good for the hobby.

[@maxinnegraham1891]

Hey I have not seen a new video in awhile pray you and your family is safe and doing well

[@EP_Offcial]

That red check I thought they were dirty Brown's opposite to regular brown and white. But keep going on and teaching me more. Ie been having roller since I was 6 and now I'm 24. Your doing a good job..

[@mrchow91x]

sam smittit i love your videos they 100% bang on thanks sam for giving us some infor on the bird cause no one really tells the truth . plzzz keep making videos ...respect one love brother

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

kakaz production Thank you so much for your comments brother it is appreciated

[@Brandon-cb2ty]

Your videos make me look like I know what I’m talking about when I go to club meets.

[@dnice8210]

Enjoy your videos Smitty! You the man!

[@hamsflightskitbox3710]

Thank you smitty, for that help. Names was driving me crazy. 😊

[@ologuinarvinp.-olshco2588]

Love your videos

[@alfredazogo7658]

Wow so amazing and beautiful i like pigeons

[@ajSvenegas]

Very educational video. Good stuff!

[@CamDatanagan]

Thank You for all this content

[@dantirk1819]

You remind me of Kenny from rush hour with the fake money scene😂 you guys do a great job. I love the videos, please keep them coming. God bless and God speed from greaterATL racing club.🕊️🕊️🕊️🇷🇴

[@ekam_8600]

I like the last one "lavender" ❤️ his colour is very rare..🐦

[@bluelagoontipplerloft6130]

Good information very knowledgeable thanks for sharing excellent information 🏅🕊

[@nikkoshay5403]

With your experience with pigeons, I'm just starting with pigeons and I have two different pair. The guy told me one pair are divers The other pair are high flyer pakastan and Ukraine highbtkyers. I can't find much information on these birds and the make half the size of the female yet resembles rollers.

[@tahsina.alkhuwaiter9990]

Hi sir. Great video as usual. Please can you make one about the color of the eyes. I mean for example how to recognize Homers or tippers or tumblers Please Please

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

Tahsin A. Alkhuwaiter you cannot identify a breed of pigeon by its eyes. You can have any color of eyes in any breed. Some breed are more likely to have a certain color then others. Like Oriental Rollers usually only have pearl eye except true white or recessive white which has bull eyes or black eyes. Homozygous grizzle can be pure white but will have pearl eye. Racing homers have pretty much every color eye except true pearl eye. Birmingham rollers have every color of eye. So you need to be more specific as to what you want to know..

[@csduse2172]

Since I've been raising birds my basic color birds always performed better than everything else. My foundation cock is a raggedy black check looks like a street pigeon but in the air he's something else

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

CS DUSE most people that have dark blue check birds or even light check and bars tend to be some of their best birds in the air. Be careful breeding them together. Breed to Recessive reds, Ash red checks or bars. Look up Johnny Reyes channel on here and watch his videos with John Van Brock also watch the Richard Apadaca videos all 3. Smitty also has a video with Richard.

[@mickeyrat1297]

Hi Smoothly! Do these same principles apply to fan tails?

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Yes

[@seankirkpatrick1963]

Have not seen any new videos from you. What's going on? Also, I love my birds but they take so much of my time. Im a single dad of two boys in sports, how do you find the time and energy to run such a large loft? I only have 20 rollers and that takes all my time cleaning, feeding, flying, breeding... Lastly, any advice on avoiding losses to Coopers Hawks?

[@franchisefred4066]

What do u get out of breeding indigo to a yellow?

[@nicksevdalis1277]

Thank you for that. Just a question about the colour Yellow/Lemon? Can you explain? Is that a dilute of brown? It Is recessive! There is also a "colour theory" that others discuss about the Colour Inheritance in pigeons but they state that there are Three basic colours: Red, Blue, Brown with the Red being most dominant and the Brown least! This was proposed by an American man. Has this now been abandoned? Please advise us. Thank you for your recordings as they are great! Keep well. Nick Sevdalis Melbourne Australia

[@averycrich]

hey chief what breed is good for meat?I was looking at raising some white king pigeons.do you sell bird

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

I don’t have any of those breeds currently but traditionally the king pigeon or what is known as a runt those have traditionally been used for meat

[@fasalpanthakkal]

Hi bro. How to develop lavender with dotts. Which color male and female required??? Hope you will reply 😊

[@ericsalcido9870]

How do you breed red checks with flicking and silver's with flicking

[@lildoodles185]

I’m trying to meet this guy !!! I would love to get a couple birds

[@jerellwatkins230]

How often do you Feed your flyers The rule is to fly them twice A-day so do we feed twice A-day?

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

green football green machine Yes if you fly them twice a day you feed them twice a day

[@nikkoshay5403]

So does the bird have to look grizzle for it to be grizzle?

[@avalonhills3195]

Whats going on Sam you should do a video about your classic or white heat family

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Ricky Gonzalez Great idea I think I will

[@halla1968]

Hey Smitty first of all thx for all your videos. Been learning a lot. Keep it going. 2nd. What is a good place to purchase those show cages you have. Got into this hobby about 3 years ago. But now I am more into it. Just a back yard flyer but got helped from a well known Master Flyer here in NorCal. Name my lofts “Bad Habit Rollers” ! Anyways, all most every online pigeon supplies charges a huge on shipping. Sucks! I mean sometimes for a $50. 00 product order even with low weight the total of shipping cost will be $35 to sometimes $40!

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Jeff Lostica you are better off making your one just order the tools from Jedds of Anaheim along with the wire clips buy a roll of wire 1-1/2 x9” opening and you are set

[@omarjabbar336]

I have a question, does the pair always produce the same babies or the 2nd will be different? I have white and brown with silver their first was silver and complete brown and now they are on their 2nd and I was wonder if it will be the same.

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

For the most part they tend to be somewhat consistent but I’ve seen pairs that are of different youngsters quite often

[@omarjabbar336]

@@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763 thank you very much for your reply

[@whitepearlloftofflorida9165]

👍👍

[@layanice4190]

thanks for this vid i love color

[@leryodin9475]

Sir Sam thank u for sharing ur knowledge, can u make a video about yellow and saddle color pigeons. How to produce it? Love ur videos & more power. Off color lover from PH. ✌️

[@JeetSingh-pv1df]

Good information where I can buy cages from the one you using individual box in video

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Jeet Singh Jedds of Anaheim

[@maryrussell9381]

keep up the good work …. you having another show in November?

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

I will be having a show in 2019 more details will be coming Hope to see you there

[@EricNorthmanLuvrBeth]

So if a grizzle carries black flecks in tail it's for sure a male?

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

If it’s a red grizzle and it carries black flecksing yes that’s a male

[@TheLovatt123]

Great Video, yellow became the dominant gene in my loft you never know what you are going to get when you buy birds . Would you know how to make Isabella ?

[@gothamsbirdman9500]

TheLovatt123 ash red to silver dun I’m in the process of trying it. Seen some of your videos like your birds.

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

TheLovatt123 I’m not familiar with that color send me a picture of a bird that has the color thanks for watching

[@TheLovatt123]

@@gothamsbirdman9500 Thanks for the info I don't have those colors in tipplers but I have them in my flights I'm going to try and make the Isabella's.

[@TheLovatt123]

@@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763 Also know as cream bars

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

TheLovatt123 Isabella is actually Ash Red Dilute with either faded or milky. Most common is milky. Either way it’s not that easy to make in rollers. There are a lot of hidden factors in rollers that make it hard to get it right.

[@IvanIvanov-vy7pt]

Nice explanation bro. I read that the actual difference between grizzled and mottle birds is the fact, that in a mottle the individual colored feathers are COMPLETELY colored and in grizzled the feathers have colored, as well as white on them. Can you confirm that? Also, I'm wondering as to How one can make an Almond? What do you need to breed together to produce it?

[@alishiapalacios8670]

I have a question can you keep a pigeon as a inside pet?

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Excellent question they can be kept as inside pets but you need to have a really good ventilation in the room that they are in because the feather duster can be very harmful to humans I don’t suggest keeping large numbers inside with people but one or two if the ventilation is really good is OK

[@spsshorts5662]

I have red cheeks female so how can i get White check or white bars??

[@gabibarbulescu5620]

hi do you know haw to create white shield birds like red birds with white shields

[@imranpatel1571]

Thanks Sir for the Video. Please make video to cover keeping pigeon in snow. I.e in Midwest Chicago land

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Imran Patel thanks Imran I will work on that thanks for watching 👍🏽

[@lcutie36]

Do a video on recessive reds, recessive red mottled, and yellow please :)

[@jeffreydavis1231]

How do you produce cream color birds

[@ravenloft2799]

Is that black a tippler I noticed his eyes are white but his brother's wasn't

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Raven Loft no they are all rollers

[@ravenloft2799]

@@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763 thanks

[@anthonynelson2635]

Roller Pigeon Evolution what size lofts are ideal for a small kit? 10 birds or less. Thanks.

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Anthony Nelson as long as each Bird has a perch and is able to flap its wings and eat from the food tray and get water the size of a cage really isn’t important as long as all those things can happen your phone if you have 10 birds make 15 perches

[@IvanIvanov-vy7pt]

Friend, I know of roller fanciest who have flown 25 rollers out of a kit box of 3'x3'x3'.

[@anthonynelson2635]

Ivan Ivanov hey thanks I appreciate it.

[@anthonynelson2635]

The Roller Pigeon Evolution Smitty thanks. I appreciate it. Ruby red genetics do you have any knowledge or experience with them? Lavenders checks red bar and reds?

[@rehanshaikhh1918]

Thank you Sir.... Very well described. I hope you will make more video on Colours and Genetics...... Actually i want to make Yellow or Cream Bar Colour for my loft. Please make one video on how to make Yellow bar in details

[@EP_Offcial]

What's the difference between dun and indigo. Can you make a video about that

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Erik P. Diaz Dun an indigo. Are two very different colors done is caused by Jean called dilute and it also produces creams whereas indigo indigo is the gene. When bread to black makes Andalusians

[@EP_Offcial]

What color should I be mating a dun. I've been have birds since 6 now in 25 now I'm getting into getting good bord just like you.

[@jerellwatkins230]

How do u keep the bird feathers looking good?

[@michaelspiegelberg1588]

I use safflower seed ;)

[@jerellwatkins230]

Michael Spiegelberg so buy adding the sunflower seeds to there feed it make there father's better never thought of that thanks

[@ravenloft2799]

@@jerellwatkins230 safflower seed not sunflower

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

green football green machine in order to keep their feathers looking good they need to take a bath at least once every 2 to 3 weeks using bath salt and feather conditioner also in there water you can give them vitamins for their feathers one that you can purchase at Jedds of Anaheim is call wins more that’s what I use

[@joshuatroipadolina2192]

How do u breed, to produce lavender color?

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Watasi 2 Read checker on black or recessive read on Ash read

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

Watasi 2 lavender is spread ash. It’s best expression is ash red bar under spread. So breed ash red bar to black. Both genes are dominant and should come in the first 3 rounds if not the first round.

[@jordancalendas3050]

Why do pigeons need to be warm when you breed them?? what is the effect of it

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Jordan Calendas Pigeons when they are warming the eggs they lose body heat if you live in a cold climate in your birds do not have a Enough external heat And they are trying to warm eggs if they lose too much body heat they will get off the eggs or even worse they will let the babies die when they hatch because they’re cold They will preserve their own lives sacrificing the lives of their babies

[@tyemclaren7317]

Hi do you fly breeders or do you keep them separate from the flyers can u maybe do a video a bout It I am a begginer thanks

[@jerellwatkins230]

Bilal McLaren keep ur breeders locked up that's how u get ur flyers, breeders should b in there own cage, not wit ur flyers

[@mikejohe1920]

So how splash come like black and white splash

[@noufalnazir3396]

Hai bro. I am in Kerala(India) . how to produce almond colour pigeon. Pls .

[@michaelmoua]

nice birds

[@juliosdiy3206]

I love grizzles now i know how to make my pigeons all grizzles.

[@tyemclaren7317]

Also can u send pigeons to the UK

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Tye McLaren you can email me at the roller pigeon [e-mail] Shipping needs to be set up on your side you will need a permit to import I will get the birds to the airport and whatever transport you arrange we can work out the details if you’re interested thank you for watching

[@mikejohe1920]

Are see you have soca music playing dey bro lol

[@joeldang846]

now explain what are rare colors and what are the basic colors

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

Joel Dang rare colors are anything not Ash Red, Blue or brown. These are the only colors in pigeons. Everything else is a modifier or masking gene.

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

Joel Dang Birmingham Rollers have pretty much ever factor there is in pigeons. Some factors are more rare then others but the 3 colors in pigeons are all prevalent in Rollers.

[@amyesworldcatherinesminime7945]

@@blueribbonracingloft8063 This is the first thing anybody wanting to learn pigeon colours (in the broader sense of the word) needs to know :-)

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

@@amyesworldcatherinesminime7945 I totally agree. I love the pigeon hobby and try to learn all I can. I look up to people who truly try to help educate others about the sport. That being said it also bothers me a great deal when someone is teaching information that is absolutely incorrect as it misleads others and when you try to explain it to them they fight you on it and say so and so says this and they know because they publish videos about it. I can say this. If anyone doesn't believe what I'm saying I challenge them to do what I did over 30 years ago and research and learn. There are several books out there on genetics. Also a few very good web pages. The best I seen is Ron Huntley's web page. I will say this. If anyone thinks they know then put your money where your mouth is and read his web page. Print out each section and study it. Start teaching correct principles and stop doing more harm then good. That's it my rant is done. Thank you.

[@amyesworldcatherinesminime7945]

​@@blueribbonracingloft8063 I LOVE Ron Huntley's site. Just over 10 years ago, 2 feral pigeons chose our balcony. We hosted 5 adults (they formed 4 pairs over 5+years on a rolling basis) 4 squeakers were hatched/fledged. I was smitten. Read as much as I could. Found Ron's site back then. It's great but very detailed. FFW to now. I have my own house pigeon. Researching ramped up again. If you haven't seen it already I recommend Adam Archer's channel. He breaks it right down. And hey - rant on, sir! :-) If you don't learn at least some genetics when breeding you'll find a heap of trouble ahead. So many don't know about lethal genes... Enjoy your pigeons.Cos well, they're awesome.

[@hersengyang6927]

Hey Sam, how do you breed indigo? Someone once told me to breed RR cock with Black hen, is this accurate?ive been breeding as suggested and they keep giving me blacks with bluebar. Any confirmation on thi?

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

Hi there. I thought I’d let you know you have your color identification wrong. There are only 3 colors in pigeons. Ash red ( most dominant) blue/black ( next most dominant) and brown which is recessive. It takes 2 genes of brown to make a brown cock and only 1 for a hen. Cocks carry 2 color genes and hens carry only one. All other colors are not colors they are modifiers or masking genes. Grizzle if bred to another grizzle will throw more white with each generation until you have a pure white bird but it will have a orange or pearl eye. Recessive white has bull eyes. Your comment that a silver or red bar hen will have brown flecking is incorrect. A red hen cannot have flecking because she doesn’t have a second color gene. A red cock can if he carries blue or brown as his second color gene. If he carries red then he cannot have flecking. Also you mention in your opal video that you bred 2 opals together. You shouldn’t do that with dominant opal or Almond. They carry a recessive lethal gene. If you double up on it you will have eggs that don’t hatch, young that die for no apparent reason in the nest and if one survives most likely they will be blind or have very poor eye sight and they won’t live long. I can go in depth with all modifiers but it would take forever. Look up Tom Barnhart web site and he goes in depth with the scientific symbols and everything. I know a great deal about color genetics however there are those that know more then me. Kenny Davis for one and he lives in Cali and has a feed store. I want to say it’s Pomona Feed. You can also look up Frank Moscas on Facebook he know pretty much everything. I go to him when I have a question. You can ask me if you like. Look me up on Facebook.

[@marksamaroo1441]

Mike, can you explain more about color genetics?

[@blueribbonracingloft8063]

Mark Samaroo it’s not like explaining how to put a leg band on. There are huge books written on the subject. I have studied color genetics for about 30 years. So you see I can’t just explain it in a short post. If you want to know more go to Ron Huntley pigeons on the web and you can learn everything there is to know about color genetics and pattern genetics and modifiers. If all you want to learn is about color I can do that in a short post. But you really don’t want to know that. I wish I could attach files to this. Any way you go look up that web site and if you have questions I’d be happy to answer it for you. But you need to do some of the research on your own like I did. What really disappoints me is that Smitty has not responded. I love his channel but would like to see him not mislead his followers about colors and patterns. If you really know the Birmingham Roller you will know they have about every factor possible in pigeons. They are one of the only breeds that have all 3 colors and they are popular. You can find me on Facebook at Michael Jex, I live in Utah. Thanks.

[@2Fish1Net]

Any for sale?

[@ackeemknowles542]

I'm In jamaica i need some rollers how do i get some

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Ackeem Knowles you will need to secure a permit to import them and arrange shipping from the US to Jamaica we can work out the details if you’re still interested you can email me at [e-mail]

[@tawhidkhan3416]

please make more videos.

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Tawhid Khan Thank you brother I will

[@jamessams3864]

can rolling pigeons forget how to roll

[@markcharles8426]

How learn for the first time the pigeon come back home

[@touyang1687]

That “white” bird is a homozygous grizzle or it has two doses of grizzle

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Touhoua Yang it has two doses of grizzle both sides of the family are Grizzlies

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Correct two doses of grizzle both sides of the family

[@amalsadanandan]

Thought the last pigeon was almond

[@indianfantailpigeons3464]

Hi thanks for sharing, your indigo birds look great! I also make videos about pigeon genetics if anyone wants to check them out

[@Egyptian.Pigeon]

thank you for those information but can you seak more quite and if you dont mind to write lyrics for not foloent like me .. thank you 🕊️🤍

[@randolsteepleton5627]

Lav color and silver The same no one is color the other is delute

[@randolsteepleton5627]

3 basic colors brown blue red black is speard

[@randysteepleton]

Lavender and silver are not the same lav comes from red and black silver is dilute of blue

[@zekegraham2059]

Follow kanzkids rollers pigeon page help me with raising my pigeons with tips and tricks to this amazing hobbies

[@randolsteepleton5627]

Silver and lav are not same silver is delute lav spread not delute

[@randolsteepleton5627]

Lav is spread color

[@takeme5349]

You treat your birds with disrespect

[@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763]

Why do you think that

[@ksoonsoon]

I've seen him handle many birds in his videos. That is absolutely not the case

[@rmclofttv1528]

Sir. What happened if I pairing silver red bar and milly red bar what is the color of there baby if they comes

[@lebogangmonakwane4020]

What if I pair a plack and a grizle