Silver League Toss is ENRAGED at this “rush” | Salt Mines #20 - StarCraft 2

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[@matszz]

I'm utterly convinced that PAC didn't know he was about to lose until the score screen came up. When he said "LOSER" he thought he was winning.

[@asharak84]

Though he could spell loser, so that puts him above most ladder ragers...

[@SolarisKane]

This is what I believe too. If he knew it was game over upon losing buildings he would've hid a probe and built a nexus. The fact he didn't means he probably didn't know.

[@chrisrose1983]

Leave it to a french player to build a wall that doesn't work.

[@geuros]

looooooooooooooooool

[@ScarletEdge]

That was low hanging fruit buddy. Still. LOL.

[@felixscully2476]

💀

[@79johnJ]

but at least they made the Germans use the first drop in warfare history ;)

[@MrYago-xd7um]

@@ScarletEdge Historic humor does feel absolutely necessary after a game that dumb. Knowledge!

[@MisterNightfish]

I love how there are 8 cannons and it would still be perfectly possible for 6 or 7 roaches to run in and kill all the probes and we'd probably lose one roach

[@BaufenBeast]

He went air on one base and didn't even make a wall with his cannons. It'd ruin the aesthetics I guess.

[@theswiss9063]

This isn't salty at all - Pad was clearly inviting his opponent and his family to a Canadian 'adult party'. And Poutine will be served. Sounds like a friendly guy...

[@ArtyMcMuffin]

Ay, as a french canadian myself, I am fairly sure that he's from France and not Canada. These are clearly "France's" insults, and a reference to a certain russian ruler. Quebec's ones are a lot more.... colorful and Church-related. However, you would be right in some aspect as poutine (the dish) is quite "salty". :D

[@plutonrond9206]

Mcmuffin is right, our insults are way more well though than those primitive mum and others basic jokes.

[@mhc706]

Man hearing “sunken colony” really hit the memory part of my brain so hard. They were so much cooler than spines

[@eructationlyrique]

Poutine also happens to be the french spelling for Putin. In context, that's more likely what they meant

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

I was going to say, because poutine is tasty.

[@Shmandalf]

Maybe these protoss came from something like Age of Empires, where the average game is like 30-60 minutes, so the concept of an average game lasting 10-20 is just something that isn't clicking.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Thats still wholy on him tho. Ive never played any Starcraft and my favorite RTS is Age of Empires 2 and I understand that in Stacraft you wall less and scout more.

[@Apr0x1m0]

"Your mother eats poutine!" that was even too much for Monty Python!!

[@tilmanvogel2387]

10:24 MISTER HILTER, though! x-D That was Fawlty towers, wasn't it? John Cleese, anyways

[@helgrin8754]

I'd say that "turtling up" is characteristic of a player that went straight into multi after campaigns

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

I wouldnt. Campagne maps whos objective isnt hold out are most effectively beaten by rushing them.

[@Knowbody42]

I think when he said POUTINE, it might have been a mis-spelling of Putin.

[@pierrefley5000]

It's not misspelled, just French. The French transliteration of Путин is "Poutine".

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@pierrefley5000 So it is a misspelling. Путин = Putin or Pucin or Put'in or Putyn. There is no o or e in the russijan dictators surname.

[@pierrefley5000]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 There is no P or c or i or n in there, either. Those are all Latin letters.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@pierrefley5000 Em, ser, it doesnt matter if you write his name in kirilik or latin script its the same name.

[@pierrefley5000]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Ah, but how do you transfer a name from one script to another? You can come up with some mapping between characters and simply replace each character from Cyrillic by the equivalent you've chosen from Latin. This is called transliteration. However, a character-by-character mapping might not be appropriate because some characters may not have exact equivalents in the other script and it doesn't capture pronunciation anyway. And for names it is usually the pronunciation that matters. So an alternative is to write the name in a way that preserves the way it sounds as much as possible. This is necessarily language dependent because different languages pronounce words in different ways. For example, the name Ельцин has an official transliteration of Elʹcin in the Latin alphabet, but in English it is commonly rendered as Yeltsin, in German as Jelzin, and in French as Ieltsine. None of these are misspellings; they're all correct orthographic transcriptions for a particular language. Similarly, Poutine is the correct orthographic transcription of Путин for French (and Poetin for Dutch, Putin for English, Pûtîn for Kurdish, etc).

[@pigeonwrench8476]

I have never wanted to see a pro win as much as I wanted Danny Devito to close that one out.

[@BeesNTrees47]

I watched 3 seconds of this randomly from autoplay, it was the part where he moved the probes into the banelings... pig - that was literally negative micro! rofl

[@TMidander]

Thank you Dot, this selection of replays were chefs kiss :D

[@WyandWombat]

You know, I watched countless hours of SC2 and probably still couldn't do much better than the angry protoss. I'd probably have a somewhat better strategy, but it mechanically overwhelms me to the point where I just sit there and nothing happens the way I want it to. Still entertaining though :)

[@allorgansnobody]

Watch the bronze to gm series ^^

[@Shmandalf]

Its just practice like anything, eventually your openers become like auto-pilot and everything kinda flows. Its like learning a tune on a piano in a way, you learn a tune but when you're bored or the need arises you put your own spins on it by using different keys. I went from Bronze to Diamond one season just by playing 25-30 games a week for about a month.

[@stargravezero953]

Mules are the offspring of horses and donkeys right? There ya go.

[@habarvaz]

This is my favorite series of yours by far

[@fabeys2816]

I tend to rush over These Thumbnails because I dont wanna get Spoiled. But i cried reading These lines 😂😂😂 lmaooo

[@aaronbrucker966]

I love the team game analysis, spot on. I play zerg and get toss allies like this all the time.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

You can get an animal which is of a different breed from the mother, if the father is off a different breed. Usually called half breeds or mixed race, and often with technical names such as mule or hinny.

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Had a six year old who loved Matilda for so long, then she turned seven and moved on to let Stranger Things roll while she plays on that tabby cause that's hip, but that's how universal Danny DeGod is.

[@Sejdr]

I love the academic dissection of the french insults.

[@Minastir1]

Broke: cannon rushing your opponent's natural Woke: cannon rushing your own natural

[@yallacttry4945]

“Turtling is just playing badly” -Maru be like “hold my beer I’ll show u PIG”

[@cellardoor70]

The best thing about the Salt Mines is the straight-faced linguistic and cultural analysis of the profanities. Love it!

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

I'm guessing the ledge canon is to prevent Nydus worms from popping up there. That is around where a lot of Zerg like to pop them in

[@raphaelfamilyfirst3058]

i love you, you said québécois perfectly haha

[@dirkbester9050]

I feel like PAC can teach Pad how to up his cannon placement game.

[@nanonidesu8250]

your expression when you saw the sliver cannon is so funny

[@Lucas-qp4ht]

Hey, just to clarify things up, Poutine is the french spelling for Putin, as in the russian president. Also the same spelling as the canadian dish, but I'd think Pad meant Putin here :)

[@DezKaiZer]

Man that Flashbacks when i was very new to starcraft and my coach always screamed at me " DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR UNITS GODDAMNIT"

[@Jhaiisiin]

Every game is like Danny for me. I always fail to commit early, and it costs me soooooo many games. :D Glad he pulled it out in the end though.

[@ToTheNines87368]

I was screaming internally at the end “make fucking units Danny!” then he proceeds to make 12 cannons for whatever reason.

[@helgrin8754]

yeah, in the first one, protoss would be me if I'd jump into multi straight after the campaign, since this is the classic campaign play style. Beautiful defense, with proper batteries, preeetty sim city, since it's fun in campaign meanwhile zerg would be me right now, after watching lots of multi star craft

[@trixmtll1393]

id say the france vs french canadian playful hate, is the same as the brits vs the aussie's :D it looks worse for those looking in from the outside

[@lukesymonds1887]

I'd quite like PiG to do something similar to Bronze League Heroes, he's perfect for it.

[@MinDeRien2658]

It would be amazing. Then again, I'd be concerned he'd end up vanishing and then end up deleting all the videos after coming back.

[@notsorichrico]

Lol the fact you're doing an analysis on their trash talk is hilarious haha

[@Xylasider]

Okay PiG, I'd like to point out some discrepancy with your MMR guessing. I'm not a good player by any means. But I do Bronze to GM strats, I can manage 65-75 APM with Terran at Silver 1. And that was with an MMR of just over 2000. So when the games are of terrible play and you say it could be 2200 MMR, that makes me feel really bad.

[@fundamentalconvolution1749]

That and it doesn't help that Starcraft 2 has actively punished turtlers through updates (nerfing things to weaken turtling, forcing them to expand more frequently so they have to space them out, etc). The toss player is definitely overdoing the base defenses, I agree.

[@fundamentalconvolution1749]

Funny how you can't say Hitler, yet you can tell someone to go suck dick lol.

[@2pairOfAces]

Ligers, tigons, and mules come to mind as separate breeds from their mothers. Also, cuckoo's and other brood parasites.

[@AEtherstream]

9:43 i choose to believe it is actually a super deep meta insult because he is a zerg, and by saying he is the same breed as his mother he is suggesting that he did not evolve at all, which as a zerg would be an ultimate insult like calling an Asari a pureblood (for those who played Mass Effeect)

[@fundamentalconvolution1749]

I think the biggest insult was that he was talking to him in French, not what he said lol.

[@nullgeodesic9423]

Mules and hinnies are an example of an animal where the offspring are not the same species as the parents (mules have donkey fathers and horse mothers, while hinnies are the reverse)

[@MrSlaughterrific]

Pad plays exactly like how every opponent I used to play when I was under plat lol. Always hidden bases and straight to end game units. They trained me to take the advice of "if he's doing weird shit just kill him"

[@yaelz6043]

I'm sure most people who have *played* an rts online never got past this gold league point but they come and go while rts players are past that.

[@alastairlarwill6388]

Magineau line!

[@jerubaal101]

Maginot*

[@dylanwatts9344]

I got shunted into playing protos in my group (3ppl including me), but I love Zergs offensive speed (which I got to play eventually). We were all new, but me with the knowledge from watching pros. Lets just say in my first game, my "rush" at 5 minutes with 20 stalkers annihilated my group

[@auzor5900]

First one: I think the quality of the salty meltdown would have been ever greater, had the zerg army visited the two secret bases after the first attack :D edit: wanna bet pad and PAC are the same player?

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Dot probably thought the same and seems to be consistent in making that impression with these replay packs.

[@Broformist]

I meet these amazing Protoss players in Plat team games fairly often. Ton of cannons before even taking a second base. Getting a teammate like that is when I know game is gonna go great. I lost patience with one of them couple of days ago and tried to explain that this is stupid, all I got in response was "stfu loser". :D

[@markpayton3895]

How is it a Plat team game when your teammate is a silver at best?

[@Broformist]

@@markpayton3895 How the fuck should I know? Only that's about the majority of protosses I've met playing public 3v3s in Plat, close to Diamond actually as its over 3k MMR. I decided to stop any attempts to play with pubs few days ago because of shit like that, had enough. Plenty of idiot terrans who are not aware they can make a second base too, but at least those guys make some units. I can only assume people who play 3v3s have no clue when their build is garbage and always just blame teammates for losses.

[@AdolfRothschild]

​@@markpayton3895team game rankings go something like this Bronze- can be anything from bronze to plat Silver- Silver Gold- no idea, never seen gold players before Plat- same thing Diamond- Plat M3- bronze 3 to silver 2 M2 and 1 - diamond to grandmaster

[@alexwhelan981]

Enjoying the Salt Mines in 2024 - Excellent 2 games lol

[@SeriousApache]

Different cat species can breed in captivity and as result they will have hybrid kittens. (Tiger and lion for example) So there is a way to be a different breed then your mother.

[@jovanpetrovich9359]

The hilter comment killed me. Funniest thing I've seen typed

[@patberresford7195]

i feel like you are describing my specific 2v2 experience

[@Chessdrummer83]

Culturally abrasive is such a good way of describing aussie bogans hahaha. Hi from Albury! Love your content mate

[@ohmyonionpie]

7:00 the part i love the most is pig just losing it at these players builds hahahahahahahahaha

[@mauzytv]

I'm just dead after the first game and PiG's comments about who's sucking who's what XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD You sir are better than 99% of comedians, that's why I love watching your stuff

[@Unicron187]

"it's wrong to be french" - 2nd commandment of no ma'am

[@jean-christophearsenault2104]

Yes the french come from a long heritage of looking down upon french canadians, but they mostly have a culture where you ascend by pushing others down. Most french moving to Québec to study are open minded and feel very welcomed into a culture of humility rather than humiliation.

[@Volkaer]

Wait what? Australia had Internet Cafes?! All the way back when you were young?

[@addham82]

I see your Protoss Cannon Rush and raise you an UNO Reverse.

[@thefrub]

The probes look like Wall-E and EVE's bastard lovechild

[@RagnellAvalon]

10:05 ligers and those horse-donkey hybrids?

[@zewhatcher]

Silver league cannons are taught by playing the CPU. If you don't put cannons there, the CPU will just jump in on any edge you don't protect. Goes back to SC1.

[@BertholdBarth]

Poutine is the french spelling of Putin ;)

[@mactire2702]

The angriest french Canadian lol

[@TiGobMan426]

French Canadien here. About the "Poutine" thing, this is how "Putin" is spelled in french. Looks like the guy is from France, so it's more likely he was refering to Vladimir Putin. Your interpretation was funnier tho haha

[@kunothomas5335]

The Salt Mines is hilarious.

[@sc2youtube744]

So happy about that first game

[@OsightblinderO]

Turtling on canons and rushing a carrier fleet is actually one of the most common strats in the first days of broodwar.

[@Xogroroth666]

How I reacted on a 2.40 sec defeat: Dayum, well played. Not even 3 minutes, eh? Noice!!! OK, recap: Not 3 minutes and I am done. Analyzing. Deducting. Conclusion ... ? Uninstall game. :) Not my barrel a fivefold concentrated alcohol. Dang well played, brother. Now, please excuse me, as I dive into the first of these barrels. :P

[@RamHomier]

Pretty sure pad was talking about Poutine the war criminal not the food.

[@christotheedge]

What are you talking about? Poutine is how the French spell Putin as in Vladimir Putin.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Guess Ive never been a noob RTS player as I never built any anchient protectors or arrow towers, Ive always just gone steight for army and upgrades only after I have like half full army suply.

[@JonNeimeister]

I'm pretty sure "poutine" is meant to be "putin" but I still appreciated the in-depth analysis of the classist food-judgment verbal harassment.

[@qownson4410]

Macro'ing behind attacks is so important. Pac could've won, but he completely had a single focus and no other follow-up or alternative plans.

[@Sxtycat]

This is my fav sc series! nice job PiG!

[@toadkult]

We used to play every game with the rule no attacking for 20 minutes. So any attack that comes before both players are at full supply tier 3 units is a rush. That's why you build the static defenses. If you can't rely on macro or micro to give you the advantage, and the game is balanced, getting your opponent to fight you over your defenses is the only possible advantage.

[@Aminmotors]

Your french pronunciation is hilarious lol

[@cameroncoats2778]

Animal Hybrids would be an exception to being same species. Examples are Liger or a Mule.

[@TeddJohnson]

The first guy isn't talking about the players "breed", he's race whining in game... "Zerg is bad!!!" Kinda thing

[@cracgor]

Not every parent is the same species as the offspring. An obvious example is a mule which comes from the mating of a donkey and a horse. Also, if you use breed specifically instead of species there are even more examples. Two dogs of different breeds mating will produce a mut or a new breed.

[@Kerrigan-QOB]

I love the fact that pad in the 1st replay literally called him hilter and then was surprised he beat a 9-y old in a video game. The last sentence with of your bread means sth like you suck at your fing race or sth like that. But lol, of course hilter could beat a child in a war game lol

[@archyology]

Great selection, great casting eg the play by play on the last game with the carriers ..

[@ryanconrad2786]

don't cannons detect farther than they can shoot? I know it used to be like that.

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

Was that some quebecois rage? The most beautiful shit I've seen

[@lagtvfan2128]

No. French talking about Putin.

[@Kilorelv]

I always was the lunatic that was like "how fast can I get another base" and starting I was playing vs my uncle a lot of times and he usually would be someone that did rushes (maybe because I was an idiot that always wanted more bases).. and grew into building defense into expansion lol i progressed in reverse.

[@BaufenBeast]

He'd probably rush every game but wanted to let you have a chance every so often.

[@Thomas-ht9cn]

I love these videos so much hahaha

[@You-ul8qw]

I kinda think that perhaps PAC and pad are the same player, PAC being this season and pad being last season, and you can tell he's perhaps improved a bit but not really (if they are the same player).

[@killator3421]

Yo my apm is 60-100 and i am d3 Sometimes i use my hotkeys for building things. I have hotkeys for my nexus and warpgate xD And i use the all army hotkey. My strength would be that i focus on economy i guess and press f2 to kill my opponent occasionally

[@chelfyn]

Why do I never queue up against anyone this bad. If I did I might win an occasional match 😂

[@MrPhelan1979]

I think a donkey and a horse can create a offspring that does not count as the same species.

[@dpend]

New salt mines is always an insta click for me 🙌

[@xiongxiong3674]

dear island-dweller: poutine is not a food but the head of state of russia. french spelling is always a bit different. :D

[@jfgresham]

are we absolutely sure that pad didn't mean "hilter" as something like "one who hilts"?

[@Novocane23]

The problem is that for newer players - the campaign teaches you to play this way.

[@loraxak]

Are we sure that first zerg wasn't smurfing they don't seem to be in the same league. Like for instance they know how macro compared to whatever that toss was doing.

[@Higurashika]

Being in the low league doesnt mean that the player has no idea what to do on the map. He just can do it too slow to go up in the ranks. And by the way zerg players are always look better than the other races in low leagues cause zerg is hard to play.

[@jkkim6928]

Agreed 100%. Casting a game like that is not only no fun but also low class act

[@theswiss9063]

Sounds like both these replays were sent in by people who were trying to do the B2GM series. I don't think it was smurfing- it's just that at this low level, the difference between someone with an organized gameplan (like B2GM gives you) vs someone without a gameplan is so huge.

[@eronaleman9420]

honestly...thought the person named "f hater" would be the rager haha

[@Pvtmatchsticks]

A Mule is half donkey half horse. And is not capable of breading. Meaning that a Mule is not the same bread/ species as it’s mother.

[@ignatiusreilly8280]

RUSHEAUXR! 😆

[@ChristianSandviknes]

So, Pa*C* is a rager, Pa*D* is a rager. Guess we see a trend for how Pae, Paf and Pag will act.

[@m4stermodder]

3:35 "Zerg can't jump up cliffs" It's been a while since I've looked at any of the unit abilities. Do speedlings not jump cliffs? I vaguely remember in the story mode if you chose that version you could

[@xyand221]

In the SC2 HOTS Campaign, players can choose zerglings from the 2 strains: raptor and swarmling. Raptor are cliff-jumper, +2 attack; whereas swarmlings are hatched in 2 secs and 3 lings instead of 2. In short, raptors vs swarmling can be summed to quality vs quantity. Technically all zerglings are speedlings once you got metabolic boost researched...

[@adeptbubbles6672]

you get the cliff-jumper zerglings in the campaigns, but not in player vs. player matches.

[@m4stermodder]

@@adeptbubbles6672 huh, coulda sworn you had em in really early multiplayer at some point, but what do I know. I mostly just play arcade

[@TruthGuardian3]

he mean poutine or Putin ?😁

[@lapetitecuillereetlepaindo3005]

He meant Putin.