Understanding HULK | Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes vs. MCU

[@koushikraja331]

Honestly, Hulk laughing and regressing into Banner when Barton seriously tells him that he will put him down was hands down more funnier than any professor hulk/Hulk moment from ragnarok and endgame.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yeah, that scene was hilarious!

[@joaop2506]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp This Scene Is Gold!

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

Especially with Banner signaling to Clint to hold on while he got his laughter under control. Just cements how equally hilarious the notion was to both Hulk and Banner.

[@itsjayh]

Ragnorak goated fym

[@dfredankey]

@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Lmaoo

[@alexandrefrauches132]

I think the Hulk relationship with the Avengers deserves a video since EMH did a very different take from the comics. Instead of having the Hulk only for two adventures then leave the group, returning only to be a antagonist or a accidental ally, they kept him on the team and allow Banner and Hulk to develop their dynamics with the other avengers, like Hawkeye.

[@devisrikadem8781]

Yeah me to.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

His friendship with Hawkeye was great.

[@devilhulk6898]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp ikr

[@cosmicriptid]

I really loved his dynamic with Hawkeye

[@tannerbruning868]

I think there are some points in the comics where banner is kept as a member of the avengers, but I definitely see your point

[@DonniedrakoE]

I like how emh hulk is characterized. He’s not just a dumb monster or a overly chummy bro that just is hulk at the time. Both hulk and banner are equally interesting characters and seeing them chat in their own mind is so interesting. It makes the character feel more like a character with a real arc of getting a chance to be a better man.

[@pradeepdungdung4379]

Hulk saying cosmic radiation threw me off

[@ComicGuy2004]

Yeah, that was definetly a highlight for me from the show.

[@foamfan7593]

It's probably joe fixit fused in there somewhere too

[@shadowsnake5133]

They're like siblings that believe nearly the same thing except when it comes to themselves, one believing he's useless because people shun him, and another that believes if the hulk was the only one to exist out the two, then he'd be the person he wants to be, they literally blame themselves for the others treatment, and the older one takes responsibility for it by sacrificing his time to help clear his brothers name.

[@metal87power]

Or TAS series. Hulk is essentially a kid with temper problems. It also makes sense due to Banner's traumatic childhood. Hulk persona was inside Bruce psychi the entire time.

[@benwasserman8223]

Definitely my favorite Hulk adaptation. I get the films can’t afford endless CGI animation for Hulk, but EMH actually let the green giant exist as his own character rather than just a rage ball. Also Fred Tatasciore’s Hulk voice is pretty perfect.

[@PillarofGarbage]

As far as I’m concerned, Fred IS Hulk’s voice!

[@ANW115]

Same!

[@conradlorgar5508]

They can definitely afford endless cgo

[@Gojirawars03]

Fred is to Hulk what Steve Blum is to Wolverine, or what Mark Hamill is to Joker, or Kevin Conroy to Batman.

[@DrewLSsix]

@@conradlorgar5508 they can, but that's not the issue. The issue is they don't hold the rights to a Hulk film. They can use him in other characters films but not his own. So his whole story has to be squeezed into already full movies. It would have been great to see what he was upto between infinity war and Endgame but the only possible place for that would have been Endgame, and that film was probably exactly as full as it could have been without being a tiresome mess. And hulks story simply wouldn't have served any purpose other than fan service.

[@dewaunwarren1]

The problem I have with the movie version is that it doesn't feel like the two characters fuse together. None of hulk's childish or stubborness is in him anymore. It feels less likely combined and more like a banner took control of hulk's body.

[@Joeymercury514]

Well that is professor hulk from the comics

[@Dave102693]

@@Joeymercury514 then it’s trash

[@dagakotowaru6118]

@@Joeymercury514 it's trash

[@therrfuin7897]

@@Dave102693 yeah most people didn't like professor hulk in the comics either

[@saintwolfman9221]

Well, in the comics, it wasn't just Hulk and Banner. Professor Hulk was Green Hulk's strength and appearance, Banner's intellect, and Joe Fixit's confidence and attitude. I actually liked the 90s hulk cause he felt a bit like an action hero. He was interesting.

[@thunderstick3193]

In the Immortal Hulk, the Hulk we know isn’t retconned to be another being from hell, they just say that’s where the source of his power comes from. In fact, they go into more detail about his DID, giving his other Hulk personalities like the returning Devil Hulk a reason to exist, stemming from being abused by his father.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Thanks for the clarification!

[@blackphoenix77]

Immortal Hulk was amazing; it sucks that it ended.

[@Zaacdrums]

Hes not from hell. He’s the personification of God’s anger or toaa anger. It’s why he has no limit to his strength/anger and why he is so op

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

That story went on way longer than it should have. Honestly, I didn't get the hype.

[@andresmarrero8666]

Sounds like a needless and pointless change to me.

[@zemox2534]

This is my favourite version of the Hulk I love the fact that Bruce stops trying to get rid of the Hulk and accepts him as apart of himself and as a living being. It feels like a natural evolution of the character (unlike the comics that constantly reset everything with each new run). And while their compromise is a bit tragic for Bruce, it does lead to Hulk growing as a person and a hero. I liked the brotherly bond between Hulk and Hawkeye, and the respect he develops for Thor, which is represented well when he confronts Ultron after he "kills" Thor. While I am a little disappointed that Hulk didn't rejoin the team full time near the end of S2, It was nice to see Hulk leave on better terms, promising to help If they need him and calling them friends. It was the natural conclusion to his arc finally accepting his role as an Avenger and accepting the others as his friends.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Spot on!

[@nkuniverse7856]

@@PillarofGarbage my fav live action verison is the one from the 70s tv show

[@tannerbruning868]

I really enjoy some of hulks comic runs, but yeah, the constant resets are always gonna be a problem of comics in general

[@isiahalcindor6278]

Why do you have to shit on the comics especially with false information? Because I can tell you didn't read immortal hulk, the comics flesh out his character by exploring the mental ramifications on the hulk and banner through the lense of d.i.d while recontextualizing why the hulks exist

[@ProjektTaku]

@@isiahalcindor6278 and also retconned his powers to being from the dark version of the one above all for no reason and then gets reset.

[@jasonhanlan999]

The hulk in emh is honestly the best version of the character, it not only perfectly represents his dynamic with banner, but also how powerful he is.

[@R0-83-RT]

A detail I like about EMH is that the Hulk appears to retain Banners intellect. It has been shown Hulk recognizing useage of Gamma radiation, and has strategized more than a few times. This shows the difference between Banner & the Hulk are more so in temperament opposed to intellect.

[@abdullahahmad4239]

EMH is the best adaptation of Matvek characters. Period.

[@ProjektTaku]

the best way to represent his power is to have him being bodied by someone like thor but he gets angrier and eventually overpowers them. That's what makes the hulk so strong: His limitless potential.

[@kingsadvisor18]

Like a lot of other characters, the EMH iteration is my favorite of the Hulk. A lot of people remember that he was a loose cannon at odds with the team, but I remember him more as just as much a tanky backbone as Thor. Remember that he was the first to stick up for Hawkeye when he was accused of being a Skrull, or when he thought Ultron killed Thor he yelled out "I'm going to enjoy this, robot. THIS ONE IS FOR THOR!!!" I also feel as though an entire Hulk cartoon happened before EMH. He fought Wolverine in his show, he has the most villains exclusive to him, he's hit a truce with Banner inside his head, and even background characters working for Ross are interesting. Talbot, Doc Samson, even cowboy-hat guy flying the copter seems like they could've shined in that show.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Josh Fine, one of the show’s producers, has mentioned in the past that EMH grew out of an idea the team had before for a Hulk cartoon - so I feel you’re definitely on to something here! All these characters and backstory which we’re shown were likely holdovers from that never-realised show.

[@theserpent8667]

@@PillarofGarbage Imagine a universe where we received that Hulk cartoon, and it was great!

[@theserpent8667]

@TheGlassesPro How about both!

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

I like how they treated Hulk and Bruce as two different sides. You can see similarities and differences between those sides. I would have likes to have seen more of the Bruce side. Also after this series got cancelled felt his character was done so dirty with Agents of Smash, took this complex and interesting Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide and just threw it out. Kinda like how MCU did in Endgame.

[@anitanielsen1061]

69 noice

[@Jason_Wilhelm]

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[@shinkaiatsuya950]

@@Jason_Wilhelm thanks for the recommendation.

[@dariusk5622]

EMH Hulk is definitely a superior depiction of Bruce Banner and The Hulk. The Immortal Hulk comic run also made the relationship of Bruce Banner and The Hulks much more interesting and complex. Gotta love it when people do not present The Hulk as just a character for smashing, but rather a person to understand.

[@beastlybehemoth1045]

Hulk's relationships with the rest of the Avengers definitely deserves a video. Also, I think there were plans for The Incredible Hulk to have a trilogy before it became MCU cannon. It makes me wonder if the character arc of Bruce and Hulk would have gone in a similar direction EMH did.

[@PillarofGarbage]

I think so - that last scene where Banner deliberately transforms in the cabin would suggest a similar trajectory!

[@geeebuttersnap2433]

Marvel wanted to make a hulk trilogy, but universal studios didn’t allow them to.

[@LeonardoShellhead]

EMH Hulk is the one we should've got in Endgame, he literally knew a form a cosmic radiation that Tony didn't even know, even though he's smart, he wasn't Bruce Banner in a Hulk body. He WAS the Hulk but with knowledge

[@sussyangel7492]

I can stomp MCU with my finger.

[@leonardobraynen1524]

I love Leonardos!!!!

[@neomigato]

As someone who is plural, the EMH depiction of The Hulk is extremely realistic to someone who experiences DID. It’s very nice to see the writers of EMH use The Hulk as representation for plural people. We also agree that the MCU Hulk is very disappointing, because it felt like they were developing a story for the character that would also be good representation. However, the introduction of Professor Hulk quickly killed that.

[@belinskiparadox7687]

We really got robbed of such a good show when they cancelled this series. The writing and animation was superb

[@thewoollyviking5928]

I think you really hit the nail on the head for why I love this adaptation of Hulk. An issue I have with a lot of adaptations is that oftentimes Banner and Hulk's character growth is jogging in place. No matter what, the status quo of the Hulk always being on the run from the military will eventually roll back around regardless of the countless lives he'd have saved as an Avenger. See Hulk and Banner come to an understanding and learning to cooperate can help the characters progress. Plus Bruce's insistence that Hulk help the Avengers and Hulk maybe even wanting to just help people regardless gives him more incentive to stick around on the team than the reasoning given in the original comics.

[@henrygarcia39]

I think that 2003’s Hulk and Banner also reached a similar understanding with each other as by the end of the movie, Banner had no problem transforming into Hulk to protect the people he was caring for

[@applekingen3581]

Also 2008 Hulk who did transform even though he recieved the cure treatment just moments before so Bruce was very afraid that he wouldn’t transform.

[@lukinhaszebr5163]

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[@KrazyStargazer]

I think people really sleep on the potential of the Hulk. The MCU havent really been able to go all out with the charecter since the movie rights belonged to universal. But the Hulk has a deeply complex lore featuring a wide rouge gallery, his own fractured psyche and being despised by...well darn near everyone at one point or another.

[@joserobertosolismerlin5527]

Tell me a character thats part Jeckill part Hyde part oppenhimmer part Frankestein Part werewolf Part Godzilla Does not have imteresting potential

[@defunctstopmotionchannel]

The fact that the Hulk Vs animated movie, and that Wolverine & the X-Men take place in the emh universe makes this character even better

[@Dhampir101980]

Great analysis on my favorite character. I think your theory about the Hulk agreeing to work with the avengers because, deep down, he himself wants to do good and be seen as a hero on his own terms, is completely on point. The conversation that Hulk has with Bruce in the episode where the enchantress controls him to attack the avengers pretty much confirms this: Hulk: Everything they have said about me is true. I am a monster… Bruce: It’s only true if you let it be. Walk away now, and it will be. In the comics, the Hulk is usually reluctant to outwardly display his heroism ( especially Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit), because the general perception will always be that he only did it because of Bruce’s influence on him. It serves as a reminder to him that people don’t see him as an individual, and that eventually, for all the good that he does, he will never totally be trusted, and humans will turn on him in the end. So on the show, he has a chance to prove the humans wrong, and he wants that to be his victory alone. Not Bruce’s. Avengers EMH is the best and most layered version of the Hulk outside the comics, and I wish the MCU would takes some cues from it. Their Hulk is always missing the psychological relationship between Bruce and Hulk that makes relatable to so many people. I mean, Bruce’s dissociative identity disorder has never even been discussed or explored on screen at all. To have Bruce and Hulk merge together completely off screen with a hand wave of an explanation is both a missed opportunity and a sin against the characters. Hopefully, when he appears on the She-Hulk Disney plus show, this will be remedied. You should definitely make a separate video exploring Hulk’s friendship with Hawkeye and Captain America, since they’re the team members who made him feel the most accepted, and never viewed him as a monster, even when situations would temp them to believe otherwise. Keep up the great work!

[@sjdavanzo]

Wonderful insights as always! Best EMH Hulk line: "It's called a distraction smart guy."

[@franciscs1604]

Let me guess… Season 1, Episode 17 - *”The Man Who Stole Tomorrow”* ?

[@chrisrodriguez2244]

Hulk and Hawkeye’s relationship in this show deserves a deeper dive I think PLEASE DO IT!

[@thomasjohnson1885]

Hulk in EMH is my favorite version of the character in media. He’s his own character but so is Banner, neither is useless to the team. EMH Bruce Banner feels more like Edward Norton than Mark Ruffalo

[@AndreNitroX]

This show did the Hulk so right. I love the idea of both personalities working together.

[@C0ldIron]

Not only was this the best Hulk, with the possible exception of agents of S.M.A.S.H. which almost felt like a continuation of this. But I also feel this was the best of the avengers al together. It was possibly the last time the characters were not being shoved into a mold made by the MCU version. Part of what made me like it was it was very much like the point that the two had reached in the Planet Hulk story line. Hulk and Banner had a duality similar to jeckyll and Hyde in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. One of my favorite moments was a episode that started with Hulk siting around eating a bucket of chicken and Tony walks in having trouble understanding some energy readings his sensors picked up. Hulk glances at it and tells Tony its cosmic radiation which Tony automatically disagrees with only to realize that Hulk was right. This is the two working togther with banner providing his knowledge through Hulk.

[@marocat4749]

It wasa different hulk, but aproviate. Ans agents of smash is very 80s cartoon with morals and talling, which tat fits in. Plus they actually make him funny here. And red hulk, is interesting.

[@samueldimmock694]

Yeah, I'm torn between this and Planet Hulk (especially as retconned by later comics). Probably the main reason why I like Planet Hulk so much is that Hulk gets a happy ending and a more or less normal life (pretending that World War Hulk never happened).

[@melvinfranco2142]

Basically, the Hulk was learning about radiation thanks to Banner.

[@solar_savior4118]

The big thing I also love about banner is someone I can relate to because of his anger issues. Banner spends so long trying to deal with the hulk by repressing it, but because of this it flares up it the most difficult of times becoming a monster. My anger was like that and when I lost control I had hurt people and I felt awful because of it. I ended up pushing people away and disconnecting with friends because of how scared I was of being that monster. But I learnt that by accepting that anger by understanding it and where it comes from I was able to move forward to be healthy and to have friends again. Which is why I hate mcu hulk because it just removes all that and now he's prof hulk and that happened off screen. Now he's cgi mark ruffalo

[@shawnsouth327]

Imagine writing a more competent character arc in a two season cartoon over a span two years then in a 10 year cinematic universe

[@henrypeters5291]

The problem with the Hulk in the comics was they took his multiple personality disorder too far and gave him too many different identities. While I agree with you that the movies skipped over the Hulk's character development, a huge problem Marvel had was that they could never make a solo Hulk film and there were already too many characters to balance out in the MCU. Also, while EMH is my favorite Hulk, a huge advantage that they had was not only the additional to flesh out the character, but they started from a point that was already pretty health for Banner the first time we meet the Hulk.

[@Coreisus]

Well, bare in mind that The Incredible Hulk is MCU Canon, and at that point Bruce/Hulk were definitely not doing good mentally. Then in the first Avengers movie you can tell he's on edge, like he's doing okay cuz of his circumstances and surroundings but he's nervous and anxious being there cuz he doesn't want to get triggered. Then every movie appearance since then he's gotten more comfortable with the team as he's spent more time with them and had opportunities to exercise his skills. Up until it culminates with Thor:Ragnarok- Infinity War-Endgame, which I'm sure are recent enough to remember.

[@leonardobraynen1524]

INCREDIBLE HULK worked pretty well, Henry

[@henrypeters5291]

@@leonardobraynen1524 I am not saying they can't make a good one. I am say the can't period. The Incredible Hulk's IP is owned by Universal Studios so Marvel can't make another solo Hulk film until they buy the rights back.

[@leonardobraynen1524]

@@henrypeters5291 ok. Thanks for explaining the difference. Makes sense.

[@henrypeters5291]

@@leonardobraynen1524 No problem.

[@6scar911]

The best MCU hulk was Edward Norton's Hulk. I'm pretty sure MCU hulk would've stayed character driven had they kept him around, or if they had decided not to make hulk so comedic during and after the avengers movie. I wish we could get his comic stories of tragedy in the big screen again.

[@gabrielt.harris8885]

It is nice to see Banner be a character. As often it feels like the character is completely side lined.

[@moviehermit5631]

Don't forget the moment Hulk drew on knowledge from Bruce by recognizing readings of cosmic energy

[@PillarofGarbage]

Great point!

[@lucashagen4240]

The Hulk was my favorite comic book hero when I was a kid, so I was naively excited to see him getting more movies and expanding on a universe with him in it. A decade down the line and he’s slowly become someone else entirely in the MCU. He’s played only for jokes nowadays, and we never really saw that character dynamic between Banner and Hulk truly explored. What really got me fed up was when Thanos kicked his ass in less than a minute and THE FREAKIN HULK got scared and ran away. I don’t have to tell anyone here why that fight should have ended very differently, but not enough people talk about that scene and I’m still mad at it years later lol. Great video! Always happy to see Hulk discussions

[@GrizzlyTank]

The Hulk is usually my favorite Avenger and I like EMH’s portrayal of him and Banner, they have a dark and complex relationship. My biggest complaint about Avengers Assembled is that Hulk is just there for comedic relief and Banner is almost completely nonexistent except for like 1 or 2 episodes.

[@nicktroisi6347]

One thing I adore about Earths Mightiest Hero’s is how well they understood and adapted each major character both Hero AND Villian. They aren’t just these 1 dimensional same copy and pasted characters. Mainly for the heroes they gave them their own struggles and challenges for them to overcome and it was so good to see how those things changed and shaped them for the better In my opinion Hulk and Ant-Man/Yellowjacket are standout characters and two of my favourites in the show (aside from Black Panther and Captain America). They couldn’t be more opposite than each other yet they want/wanted the same thing. Peace. And both of them then do a 180. Hank sees that he was wrong and becomes more unhinged and Hulk steps into a more heroic role. Brilliant writing Hulk in the MCU in the other hand is the biggest fumble of a character I’ve ever seen

[@kennethlaurie7809]

Hulk is my all time favourite fictional character that drew me to Superheroes, monsters, horror & the psychological. I've been disappointed with the MCU version over the past few years but looking back at the EMH depection it's certainly the most heathly Banner/Hulk of any adaptation as both have agreed to a arrangement as well as being a heroic force. If EMH ever continues it would be incredible to see how they evolve, the other personalities coming about like Joe Fixit and Devil Hulk, seeing other Hulk characters coming to the fray like Betty Ross/Red Harpy, Rick Jones etc. Pillar of Garbage I'd be happy to see your Hulk & the Avengers relationship video and thank you for this video.

[@juniorcruzjr.8885]

Well done, in-depth analysis of ol' Jade jaws psyches (Banner/Hulk). Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and say I'd love to see your thoughts on Hulk's relationships/interactions with his fellow Avengers. I'll always remember a scene from the comic during one of its reboots when the Avengers decided to reunite to save the world from Morgan LeFey; They were all at Avengers Mansion minus the Hulk (who was by this time still highly antisocial, lol, but fairly intelligent). They got a video transmission from him on their computers where he said, scowling, "Yeah, I heard about yer little pajama party. I don't wanna be bothered. Bother me again...and I come bother YOU. Got it?" Click. And Cap just said "Well now." Lol. I loved it, and it pretty much sums it up. Thanks for all your great vids!

[@alexandergonyea4642]

Wait, for real? "Hulk vs." is in the EMH continuity? I mean, I had that fun headcanon but I didn't actually think it was real. In any case, EMH definitely has what I think is the best version of the Hulk. All of your points were 100% correct. He's not the dumb "Hulk smash puny human" version people like to joke about in media. And they treated him with a seriousness and dignity that the MCU didn't even try to handle. And that stinks, because EMH shows the potential for the dynamic between Banner and Hulk and it would've been great to see that fully realized. This is actually the first video from you that I saw and a great start all around. I'd love to see you analyze the relationship between Hulk and the rest of the Avengers.

[@dylansharp8471]

"that the MCU didn't even try to handle" Bruh.

[@tfan2222]

@@dylansharp8471 Aside from the first avengers, it really didn’t.

[@Vipersword100]

Best presentation of The Hulk I've seen since the 90's cartoon.

[@edwardcrow6385]

Hi! were part of that .001-1% of people with this disorder who found this video!! We’re happy to see people all around the world start talking more about Dissociative Identity disorder, it’s helped people like us come a long way. It genuinely touches our heart to know that people are starting to understand that alters aren’t something that can just be removed. If anything most systems that come to an understanding Acknowledge their existence as true as their own. We are just consciousness inhabiting the same vessel ^^

[@slimeinabox]

I would like a version of Bruce/Hulk where Hulk isn’t a split personality, but simply is an infinite rage the Bruce has to manage with.

[@ProjektTaku]

I like the hulk being a split personality but that embodies his rage.

[@freddycrewger]

Ah one of the greatest shows ever!!!!! I always catch myself coming back every year

[@angelangelis8362]

EMH showed my favorite type of Hulk, the uneasy to cooperative alliance between Hulk and Banner. It also shows that, while anger might make him stronger, the Hulk only can reach the utter peek of his power when he, Banner, and sometimes the other personalities in his head, all agree. That's why his Green Scar form, the one from World War Hulk, was so damned strong and dangerous. They were both equally enraged and wanted revenge, and their cooperation lead to Hulk tapping into his World Breaker power.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

...I'll always remember one of my favorite moments of Hulk on-screen, movie or show. "...You're making it very difficult to not turn into the Hulk, and smash you." - Banner to Hawkeye, in an elevator

[@themarinefan]

Id love to see a hulk cartoon featuring some of the avengers a few episodes, and the show exploring a relatively unknown part of the hulk mythos. The fact that Hulk was a coping mechanism. I'd love to see them explore his back story subtly, like banner talks about his childhood and a faint image of a man holding a belt flashes in his eyes and a woman screaming while his eyes turn a little bit green. And Hulk in the season finale tells "don't be scared, Hulk is here. Hulk always here, no matter what. HULK WILL PROTECT YOU!" As he rejoins the avengers to fight the skrulls, kree, or chitari after all season rejecting hulk, and finally embracing him and that trumatic memories that follow him, leading to season 2 hulk being more of an active protagonist, rather than a goal to get triggered against Banner's will.

[@optimascrime5235]

Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is just goated in genral and is one of the best Marvel Cartoon's ever that isn't just another Spider-Man Cartoon...It really was the Justice League cartoon but with Marvel character's

[@thecrazydisneyparksfanatic921]

How the characters are written in the show is part of why this series is so huge among the marvel community, or at least that’s the way it is for me, it’s definitely my most favorite versions of the avengers, I love the MCU and all but I love this series

[@CriticsCupofficial]

100% agree as hulk is my favourite marvel character across the board (MCU needs work) this depiction of him as always been my favourite and warms my heart knowing they can get along

[@tangroro]

The fact EMH's Bruce made a deal with Hulk that Hulk can take over the body while he stays gone forever is the most heroic sacrifice ever It's even sadder that despite how Hulk behaves, even the Avengers prefer Hulk over Bruce, poor Bruce finally got a holiday, and he had to endure Hawkeye complained about how Hulk is better

[@callmestorm23]

On my birthday you are doing a video on my favorite character in all of comics. You can't make this shit up

[@PillarofGarbage]

Happy Birthday :D

[@callmestorm23]

@@PillarofGarbage thx

[@saajiddaya2152]

@@callmestorm23 HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[@agustinleal2556]

I loved how Bruce and Hulk could communicate with each other in this show specially with Banner being inside the Hulk's head. Bruce acted as a guide for the Hulk and he seemed to really care for him after so many years of being on the run. in the other hand, I despised what Banner did to Hulk in the MCU. In Thor Ragnarok, Banner seemed to accept that Hulk was his own person and not just an abomination, and we even started to see Bruce communicate with Hulk during Avengers Infinty War when he asked him why wouldn't he fight Thanos. That was the only time that I can recall where Bruce and Hulk had interacted in the MCU. And the we get to Avengers Endgame and we never see the Hulk again, there's only Hulk's corpse being controlled by Banner. There's nothing that would suggest that Hulk consented to the idea of exposing them to more gamma radiation, that was 100% Bruce's own idea. Some people like to theorize that Prof. Hulk is an amalgamation of Bruce and the Hulk because Profr. Hulk seems to be boulder and funnier, but that's just not true; that's just Banner (if anything is just the way Mark Ruffalo has interpreted Banner since Ragnarok).

[@terrytaylor7036]

While Immortal Hulk does have the whole “green door” stuff, Bruce definitely still does have DID in it. It delves pretty deep into the nature of his alters.

[@YakAttack64]

This conversation just came up between my buddy and me. EMH Hulk and Banner relationship & character development is great, yet somehow nonexistent in Live Action.

[@captain_dsz6049]

i always loved the banner/hulk dichotomy from emh especially the banner design art style marvellous edit; if emh is brought back i hope they show the mental struggle between him hulk and grey hulk/other personalities edit 2; yes i wanna see another video describing hulks relationship with the other heroes espe ially hawkeye

[@PillarofGarbage]

Grey hulk is definitely canon in EMH - Hill references at one point that the Hulk ‘started out grey’!

[@ebonkinght]

EMH had the best version of hulk and fleshed out his character and this is my favorite incarnation of the character, EMH is just a masterpiece period.

[@magicalgirllaurie]

Hulk is and always will be my favourite character. I honestly believe that if we’d gotten more Hulk movies after The Incredible Hulk (Which is imo a better Hulk movie than most people make it out to be) then we could have gotten a more comic accurate Hulk that would have continued the division between Hulk and Banner. And Mark Ruffalo would be great in a Hulk movie. We know he wants to do it. So let him fucking do it. And I’m interested as to how they’re gonna handle him in She-Hulk too since we seem to be seeing both merged Hulk and also regular Banner. Makes me wonder if they’re going to reverse the merging or something. Anyway I think Thor Ragnarok had it kinda perfect in the MCU, yeah it was comedic but it also understood the character in a way that no movie has since The Incredible Hulk. It understood the dynamic between Hulk and Banner that makes the Hulk interesting. That’s why I never really liked the whole Doc Green thing in the comics either, it’s too far from the base concept of the Hulk; the fact that there is that division. Also EMH’s Hulk, while not my favourite interpretation of the character, is still a layered and fleshed out character. The Cube stuff was honestly my favourite world-building in the entire show, and that’s something they could easily introduce in She-Hulk for the MCU. I just really wish we’d seen Banner more often in that show though, it often felt like Hulk was there 24/7, and it didn’t feel like Banner was as good a character as he could have been.

[@marocat4749]

I mean its a heroic invincible werewolf by the military tragedy but thats interesting dynamic always. And why people like the hulk, it wouldnt be the hulk without the tragedy associated with his character. And brooding.

[@dylansharp8471]

"and it didn’t feel like Banner was as good a character as he could have been." In EMH? Cause if so, that don't seem the case as other people see it.

[@paperbagsheriff6072]

First ruffalo hulk “I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out” Current ruffalo hulk *dabs*

[@ProjektTaku]

first ruffalo hulk: "That's my secret cap...I'm always angry." current ruffalo hulk: *gives taco*

[@juanrisa945]

If i made a Hulk show, the arc for Banner would be kind if like EMH, him reaching a balance with the Hulk, learning to live with him. But also i would potray the Hulk in his childlike self, but not have him appear only in fight scenes and the five-ten minutes after that. He would get full episodes. But without little of Banner. Their screen time woukd also be in balance. Kind off like a 50/50 approximately. And Hulk would get his own character arc inspired by, and i'm not kidding, Stitch from Lilo & Stitch: A destructive beast who realizes he wants to be loved. And an inspiration from Banner's arc would be the curse storyline from The Owl House: Both are about a fugitive with a beast inside them trying to keep it inside as much as possible only to learn to embrace the Beast and see it not as a burden, but as a living creature that is also trapped in their body.

[@XElectrixcherryX]

I did not know Hulk vs is apart of this show and hulks been my favorite character since I was a kid and this is really interesting to hear

[@nicholasblackmore8325]

In Hulk vs Thor I interpret it as most of the Hulks intellect comes from Bruce without Bruce and Hulk together Hulk can only form basic words and like a child it makes him mad and he loses himself to anger

[@ВардотКапрелло]

Banner's fate is kind of tragic in Mightest heroes. Because mostly it is Hulk in there. And he gets only short vacations. Also Hawkeye compares him with his bow, like he doesnt even consider him as part of Avengers

[@alexanderglass2057]

You should look at the agents of SMASH it’s in the earths mightiest heros universe if I remember correctly, and there was so much more focus on hulk as a person, banner is on the backseat but isn’t necessarily trying to get out of it.

[@zeusthefox1585]

In the Comics for a time the Hulk was explained to be one of many alternate personalities springing from Banners childhood. Hulk, Joe Fix it (Grey Hulk) are two of these personalities.

[@Abominatrix650]

Your videos are the reward I get for finishing EMH

[@PillarofGarbage]

here’s that heart back!

[@Abominatrix650]

@@PillarofGarbage Thanks! I'll proofread better next time!

[@maxfordgaming9278]

Hulk is my favorite character ever in fiction. EMH absolutely nailed the hulk and banner dynamic. Great video.

[@idiotsplayinggames4752]

Oh god, I nearly forgot about this show! I remember watching it with my dad when I was young! Truly some of the best moments of my childhood!

[@dantelejeune9372]

Immortal hulk is an amazing run that builds on alot of the greatest parts of the hulk. You gotta read it man it shows the personalities working together it's great.

[@Prince_Cheddar]

The problem I have with MCU's Professor Hulk is that it felt like Banner did it to himself without The Hulk's consent. That Banner took control of Hulk's body, and Hulk didn't have any say. It really should have been a cooperative effort between the two of them, almost like couple's therapy.

[@thedoctor2415]

YESSS PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT HULKS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AVENGERS

[@willgraham5978]

Hey, great stuff you made! Also a really big fan of the Hulk! Everything you said I agreed with other than the Immortal Hulk mention. In that book (specifically the last issue: issue 50), the One Above All tell the Hulk that everyone has a Hulk, just that Banner's manifested due to his childhood and the gamma bomb. With this, the Hulk isn't some otherworldly demon like you claimed, but is exactly what he's always been. I also may have to reread the series and last issue because it HAS been a while since. Keep up the good work!

[@dillbert4084]

I really appreciate how much you dive into the Marvel Animation stuff that's worth looking at

[@youcantkeeprunninginandout7240]

Bruh, I LOVED EMH back in the day, wish it had more seasons

[@ccalvac18]

I don't have DID but I've related A LOT to Banner/Hulk with my autism. I want to be a part of the world and accomplish great things but sometimes whether it be through sensory overload, exhaustion due to masking, ubiquitous last minute changes, and ongoing battles with various social anxieties and traumas with people that sometimes don't want to understand/accomodate, I sometimes feel like boiling over so I either end up in a meltdown or isolating. As much as I want to be a part of the world there's another part of me that just wants to be left alone. Both parts of me feel this deep DEEP resent and anger for not being "normal"; like the world hasn't paid its debt to me for the hand I've been dealt and that anger from feeling slighted is so strong I can feel it in my bones. I think the moments where I'm most "at peace" is when I understand that the many parts of me are valid and I can accomplish many great things whether I'm the Hulk or Dr Banner.

[@ZephyrBW]

This series was worthy of more than just 2 seasons. Bring it back

[@TheeOK1]

The immortal hulk series doesn't change hulk's characterization much, if at all. it just gives the origins of what Gamma Radiation is in the marvel universe, to a more supernatural one. Hulk is still a part of Banner's fractured psyche due to his traumatic childhood given life by mutating energies. As is all of his forms. The difference is the horror angle of the series and the narrative of said supernatural gamma radiation. I recommend giving the immortal hulk series a read, it's actually good and you would love analyzing the current characterization of Betty Ross if not enjoy the art. It does start to fall apart as it gets closer to the supernatural gamma world stuff but It's still worth a read. They do change a lot of the hulk's relationships. With banner, other characters or other forms of Bruce. Not to mention Bruce starts to really take to the back burner as a character after a while.

[@willbrooks7474]

Bruce has been one of my favorite characters since I was little

[@marqusmedina5983]

His relationship with the avengers definitely deserves it’s own video

[@leighanneslegoproduction353]

Ever since I’ve became a Hulk fan, I understand both Bruce and the Hulk very well. Bruce Banner kind of reminds me of both my farther and myself, deep in my heart, I have always considered him as family to me.

[@caffeinedelusions]

The upside of the situation with Hulk and Banner is that BOTH of the motives you present can simultaneously be true.

[@shayukitsune8879]

10:30 can confirm someone with d.i.d is watching your video…I really appreciate your video

[@gabebolden9394]

You glossed over SOOOO much of Immortal hulk if 'from another dimension' is what you got out of it. Hulk, as well as every gamma irradiated beings are connected through the one below all. It's really cool and dives into the multiple personalities that reside in the current mind of whoever is 'Hulk' at the given moment.

[@loftwingheropon2743]

Geez I remember borrowing various disks of this show from my local dvd store, they were all out of order and I don’t think I’ve seen past season one but I remember really enjoying what I watched, I never seem to hear anyone talk about it so it’s cool to see it here. Also the gamma radiation transformations of the rest of the avengers squad still haunt my dreams.

[@veganrican606]

MCU screwed up The Hulk, pretty much neutered him.

[@GUILDAMESH]

The best animated depiction of the Avengers there has ever been I was really sorry to see it go when it was cancelled

[@g_rant4213]

I found your channel two days ago. By now I have watched all of your EMH videos, and it’s a shame you only have 10k subs

[@toxicalyss]

The balance has always been Banner's rage. The higher level he is the more control he has on his rage. But he is a Berserker hero stereotype so his strength is justified and thats what makes him fun.

[@vohloo9797]

Vinny's temper really hasn't been the same since he stopped streaming

[@Ttr-qe1nx]

The second take on the deal is very similar to Hulk’s mindset in Ragnorok. I rlly wish Mcu established Hulk’s character more but I understand there was a lot of hurdles for them to do so.

[@v1rtuosoviolinist]

EMH's Hulk adaptation, in a way, is like the adaptation in the Immortal Hulk comics. Hulk is always in Banner's head, and Banner is always in Hulk's head.

[@caiasmith1341]

Watching your playlist back to back after just finishing the show. Can confirm that Hulk and Banner absolutely remind me of DID as I've experienced it. I also feel like It shows more like that in the MCU following the first couple She-Hulk episodes

[@jessejohnson3.24]

I like how the hulk and banner no longer fighting each other

[@ChrisBryer]

Alot of Hulk has always been based on the psychology of anger and rage issues. As one that lives with someone with such a problem, alot of the things mentioned in the comics, films and shows about how Bruce deals and coexistence with it is very much how people do it in real life.

[@ericwalsh2954]

All the marvel Disney shows share a rough retcon continuity so technically agents of smash hulk is the same guy, the key is actually the fact the ultimate spiderman was in both avengers shows and then all the tie in shows have make links themselves. Best way to rule it is if a charecter appears later and it messes with something the old thing can kick bricks

[@KingBowser77766]

Hulk was always my favourite Marvel Character and I find the EMH version more intimidating than the MCU version

[@barrybend7189]

If EMH continued I would love to see Mr. fixit and other more passive forms.

[@eggseed6543]

Im a big fan of this character relationship dynamic where two personalities cant get along well but have to and learn to depend and listen to the other, with both sides having expertise in different things and the other willingly passing the baton to the other when it's needed, these kinds of relationships can be really entertaining to watch and a easy way to pack 2 characters into one. I didn't liked how the MCU version ended hulk and banner's relationship by making it 100% of the time just hulk body with banner mind, quite literally erasing hulk's personality out of existence, i really hope that venom doesn't end like that

[@an8strengthkobold360]

One of the best examples of the Two souls one body trope (my favorite trope).

[@Mirrorcomics24]

already in the mcu hulk lacked my interest but they ruined him towards the end, whereas emh kept my interest throughout

[@dylansharp8471]

"but they ruined him towards the end" I wouldn't say that.

[@Mirrorcomics24]

@@dylansharp8471 I would.hav u seen endgame an the new she hulk trailer

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Hindsight is, of course, 20-20, but now that "She-Hulk" is out, it's been revealed that machines weren't the only thing which turned him into Professor Hulk, but also dialectical behavioral therapy. Having it be off-screen was, honestly, pretty lazy, but giving a psychotherapy element to it makes it more authentic.

[@terminator3sucked74]

Emh is part of the reason why I loved the hulk more than any other hero as a child I’ve grown to like him for his difference from other heroes his stories have a different weight and tone

[@milesarmstrong2990]

So you have given much more time to the understanding of Earth's Mightiest than I ever will, so I ask you a question that has at the back of my skull since I first watched the Hulk vs. the World. Is the helicopter pilot is part of the Hulk Buster unit that attacks the Hulk, Wild Bill from G.I. Joe?

[@PillarofGarbage]

I don’t believe GI Joe was every broadcast in my country, so I’ve never seen it - but I googled Wild Bill and I’m guessing Hulk’s helicopter pilot is definitely a reference to him!

[@milesarmstrong2990]

@@PillarofGarbage All the original 80s G.I. Joe were made by Marvel, I am glad I am not seeing things..... Also on that note, the new Andrew Garfield movie 'Tick, Tick... Boom!' Makes me think of A:EM's Halkeye from this episode.

[@gavichealsomething2169]

@@milesarmstrong2990 same with Transformers