Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire - Telling Maia You Fed Her Brother to Skaen's Blood Pool

[@JBrander]

The fact that this discussion exists for something very specific that must happen in PoE1 is amazing. I admire Obsidian for doing this.

[@adamdobry5517]

Just like the very specific thing of taking the orlan baby for yourself, and having her appear on your boat. You don't even gain anything for that in PoE1

[@MessagerOfHell]

I remember how I killed Kana because of my poor decisions. He tumbled over the edge of an elevator platform in the White Forge. I somehow convinced myself that I'll find him at the bottom in a bad mood and broken legs but he was dead. I was too lazy to reload so I kept going.

[@CrankyTemplar]

I left him miserable from not completing his quest in my PoE1 evil run. But I had to do the history editor as telling Maia what you did made for a far better evil run.

[@therabbi9848]

For me that was Durance

[@Tobbit]

It was Aloth in my case. I really have to reload since he's the only Mage in my party.

[@adamdobry5517]

I was gonna lose devil but didnt because monk is an awesome class

[@Ausarrr]

@@Tobbit same with me

[@dandanovich7967]

Good thing nobody cares about Durance

[@Cyberium]

I DO! My part was filled with chaotic people. XD

[@greatestever4694]

durance was one of the better characters behind aloth and eder. dude killed a god (with help) and was the sole survivor and still went to fight another god

[@edwinchenoweth4251]

You should take her to that island in the East and sacrifice her to skaen after telling her this.

[@CrankyTemplar]

I feel like that would be a touching family reunion. I'm considering doing that for a VTC evil playthrough, though for now I'm waiting on the Crookspur slide where they ship slaves to Splintered Reef to be fixed before uploading that sort of ending.

[@noctrk161]

Edwin Chenoweth that would be an ultimate trolling

[@EnterTheAether]

Hahahahahaha.

[@vicrodriguez5980]

1... 2... I expected she to go Calo Nord against the watcher =D

[@CrankyTemplar]

Yeah, bit of a let-down. I expected my party to get Ides of March on me.

[@steelcladCompliant]

>"Try and aim low" >Watcher is an Orlan Racism. Wonderful I wonder if you can still romance her after this, or the massive disaproval that you probably got would make it impossible. That would be a fun relationship

[@idunno402]

SPOILERS It's a little sad that if you choose to sacrifice Kana to bury the eyeless in White March 2, Maia has no reaction to it. It's a heroic death, but has no consequence in PoE 2. Well, not that it matters to me, having sacrificed 3 ogres from Bellegran's horn instead. But it would be a nice little touch.

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

I offered myself and survived.

[@darkeningkai]

looool, thank you for showing us what she says

[@adamdobry5517]

I wonder if Zahua has any relatives. Double whammy for me being a Nalpazca monk. Also, wish this video had reactions from other companions (those not present here

[@dupekane956]

“Two, three.” (Attack)

[@thefoxoflaurels3437]

Literally everyone there would have justifiably killed the Watcher right there without a second thought, either for personal or moral reasons since they all knew him. It could just be an instant gameover, “Oh I killed your really nice younger brother for a stat point and convinced the rest of you who watched this innocent theater kid die a painful and agonizing death for a stat point and didn’t know I was responsible.” If a god can turn you into stone with a dialogue choice, this should suffice as a game over too. I get no one would ever make this choice naturally but it still strikes me as an extremely unnatural reaction for an otherwise very well-written game. I get Maia is Lawful Neutral to a tee but even the Company would probably be like “yeah you don’t need to work with the person that killed your little brother”.

[@nagatouzumaki3492]

Meh, you can defeat mortal so it shouldn't be an instant game over. God in pillars of eternity are simply way beyond your capacity to fight against even in best case scenario, at most you can fight their avatar and even then you just end up amusing one of them and then avatar instantly heals.

[@bmagada]

If you built your watcher correctly they wouldn't be able to touch him.

[@thefoxoflaurels3437]

@@bmagada I'm arguing from a writing perspective; a character's stats are largely non-diegetic abstractions.

[@Elliott13]

That's weird. The wiki for the game says that if you sacrificed any of your companions in the first game, then in deadfire Eder and Aloth will both refuse to join you. But clearly in this video they joined you.

[@CrankyTemplar]

They might have patched it later to include that, much like how you could exploit the fish merchant for infinite gold.

[@Cyberium]

@@CrankyTemplar Fish merchant? Not that I need more than half-a-million gold atm, but what was that about? I only knew that if I repeat some companion gift dialogue I get the same thing repeatedly, which could be sold.

[@gargamellenoir8460]

Honestly all the POE1 characters should have just attacked or left then and there.

[@bmagada]

Yeah because you didn't do other shit or idk, absorbed or just erased thousands of souls.

[@Deng73]

It would be an even greater touch, if Eder, Pallegina or Aloth were with you at that point of the first game AND in this conversation and if they're reactions wered be like "Are the ressurection-or-whatever the Berath did to you screw you braineggs completely out of realm of sanity, Watcher?! You can't tell the armed women that you toss her little brother into the pool of fuckin' evil spirits-in-servitude to the god of slaves and traitors, you fuckin dunmbass!")

[@CrankyTemplar]

Surprisingly NPCs only chew you out for really evil stuff, and then only mildly at best. Giving Ydwin to Rymrgand at the end of Beast of Winter is another example.

[@andrewvincent7299]

That's stupid she didn't attack. It makes all the sense for her to do so and none for her to back off...especially considering how he did. If this was an infinity engine rpg in the 90s, the companion would have attacked. Even in Dragon Age Origins, companions attacked if you did something horrible...

[@CrankyTemplar]

Yeah. It's even weirder because as you reach the finale your party members will leave pretty easily based on faction choices, so going to such lengths to have her stay in the party with an obviously stupid evil choice like this is curious.

[@manoelneto695]

Nah, shes signed to be like a spy from the Deadfire company, it is her duty to follow the watcher and bring something to the company, thats why she said that doesnt mix family and duty. Besides that, if you plan to kill someome from deadfire company, then she attacks you. (i tried that in the druids quest and that asshole x9ed me and tried to kill me )

[@bmagada]

Shes got a code of honor and shes duty bound. It's not that surprising.

[@funyarinpa336]

welp, not like anyone will miss Durance anyway, right?

[@CrankyTemplar]

Ledge Buoy Even less folks will miss the Grieving Mother if you sacrifice her. ;)

[@Cyberium]

I miss Durance a lot. I prefer him over Xoti any day.

[@ceasefire2825]

@@Cyberium i agree, Atleast Durance admitted his Goddess was a bitch

[@Cyberium]

@@ceasefire2825 At the same time he acknowledges her divinity, AND plans for her downfall. Truly a godslayer.

[@strenghtbracer1826]

I miss him. Liked him the most out of all characters, even. Also he refuses to sacrifice himself in White Forge, when others agree to do it

[@TheAzuregreen]

I sacrificed the grieving mother 😂😂😂 no one noticed her death sad times

[@lalas198]

Meh I hate Maia, she's full Royal Deadfire Company, no individualism in her at all.

[@PhabioTheHost]

you clearly didn't play her mission. where she totally has to rethink her loyalty to them...

[@TovKafur]

She is an interesting character. Conflicted assassin, a patriot who have serious doubts in her's country ways, and nice personality mix of cold professionalism and feminine wit. Not a gem like Xoti (childish priestess may end up a serial killer, lol), but still one of the best companions.

[@Cyberium]

@@TovKafur Pallegina had similar interactions depending on that you did in POE1. If you helped her severing the trade deal she'd blame you for it (huh?), but if you helped her complete the deal, many of her countrymen would die, which made her contemplate on her blind action base on loyalty alone.

[@UnserZeitMrGlinko]

I cant get over how forgettable these shitty excuses for companions are. It's been 1.5 years since i wasted almost 200 hours on these games and i could only name Eder, and only because his name is 4 fucking letters long. And i could probably recite whole BG2 banters by memory from 10 years ago. Modern party RPGs are a disgrace. We, as a civilization, made a wrong turn long, long ago.

[@Phlebas]

I'm in my third playthrough of Deadfire right now. I like the game well enough to play it again, but I do agree that the companions were the weakest part of the role play experience. It's not even that they were poorly written - a lot of them were as well-written as any of the ones in Baldur's Gate - but the way the companions reacted to player decisions (ie. for the most part, they didn't), kind of made them feel like they had no agency as characters. I'm doing a full-on evil playthrough with Eder in my party and he seems pretty happy to just go along with my sociopathic schemes. At least with Baldur's Gate, good characters would leave you if you acted too evil, or evil characters would leave if you acted too good. There wasn't much nuance, but at least it got the player thinking about companions in the context of how the story played out. With PoE and PoE 2, I find myself mostly thinking of my companions in terms of their combat roles.

[@flyingpaladin617]

Cry more, princess 😘

[@UnserZeitMrGlinko]

@@flyingpaladin617 maybe try playing actual rpgs, you lgbt mockery of a gamer

[@flyingpaladin617]

@@UnserZeitMrGlinko I love your delicious tears

[@bmagada]

Cool....cry harder.